RF absorber=conductive/needs grounding? Or not?

You can isolate gas pipes by having a plumber put in a dielectric union
(get a plumber who knows what this is and has experience with gas).
If there is a measurable field along the whole pipe, I would do this
(and did it on my house).

The stove may have transformers, certainly if there's a digital clock.
In some the clock can be turned off, (pressing clock button twice on mine)
but this probably will not disable the transformer. In my stove it was
rather
easy to open it up and move the power to the main circuit board so that
it is only powered by when the oven light switch (which is a real manual
switch) is on. Be sure to only use high tempurature wire from an oven
parts outlet if you need more wire... same for connectors. You may be able
to add a manual switch before the board if there is not one. A switch that
controls the whole stove would have to be rated for tons of amps... don't
attempt that. An old electric stove might be another solution.
Unfortunately
electric ovens are almost always bad when on. I prefer gas with a range
hood,
but the hood has its own problems (I feel I can live with the Premier
NuTone,
but wish it was quieter and worked better on Low; Fantech inlines fans
are better if you have an attic to put it in).

Bill

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:30 AM, rticleone <[hidden email]> wrote:


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hi, R,
 
i was the one who reacted to the infrared mouse.  but the weird thing was, the day i retutrned it to radio shack was the day i quit reacting to my computer. and i reacted for about a year better than before to cell and microwave towers starting at the same time.  i can't help but wonder if that was connected!  the firey burning in my arms from the mouse was very painful, but i think it may have caused a healing reaction somehow.  it was not unlike my original reaction to epsom salts baths, which caused thesame firey burning sensation but later helped.. 
 
d

--- On Wed, 6/10/09, rticleone <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: rticleone <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: RF absorber=conductive/needs grounding? Or not?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:37 PM








Oh gods...

So. Much. Work.

I am currently using a system that would leave some other people feeling pretty rotten, and though I know I'd feel better with something improved, I don't know how far I need to go; still, I am being damn picky about it. Is it wrong to want the best when health is involved?

As for the monitor, if I go the route of a farther away, battery powered mini-ITX fanless box with aluminum heatsinks, and a separate monitor, I'd already have some of your steps covered, since I'd have (or do it myself/enlist local help if possible) a monitor modified to have LED backlighting, and yank out the bad components, stick 'em in a shielded box, and run it from DC, hence a great reduction in RF and everything else from the screen. I know this monitor could be a hundred times better! I'm certain I'd have a pretty easy time using it if it or another were improved upon as described above.

I can't really find info about using optocouplers for mice or keyboards. Have you got anything, or more elaboration?

As far as infrared keyboards and mice go, what sort are you referring to? Isee some, but they seem like they're only compatible with PDAs and other such wireless crap.

I thought I once read on this list that someone tried out an "infrared" mouse or keyboard, and they found it horrible, or it emitted RF, or some such thing. If you can point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it.

What about opening a mouse or keyboard (though it could be tricky, I've tried and failed) and covering the circuitry with non-conductive RF absorber?

You know, if I can somehow get this little mini itx box built, I may have the chance for them to stick a PCI card in, and then I'll be able to test what kind of emissions and electric field are generated by PCI-based fiber optic converters.. .

Many thanks again!

R.

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Super... more torture devices to be inflicted on us.

http://www.economist.com/science/tq/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13725843

Donnie

My range is also self-cleaning. And, I found that I pick up very low readings from the burner and oven areas, when it's turned off. But, the readings peg the needle when I point the meter toward the dial type clock, even at a distance from it. A bit less near all the dials, except one. The dials are on either side of the clock. I get low electrical readings, but very high magnetic field readings.

Donnie

Weird!

Very, very strange.  I wonder what the reason was?

--- On Thu, 6/11/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: RF absorber=conductive/needs grounding? Or not?
To: [hidden email]
Received: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 10:17 PM











   
           
           


     
hi, R,

 

i was the one who reacted to the infrared mouse.  but the weird thing was, the day i retutrned it to radio shack was the day i quit reacting to my computer. and i reacted for about a year better than before to cell and microwave towers starting at the same time.  i can't help but wonder if that was connected!  the firey burning in my arms from the mouse was very painful, but i think it may have caused a healing reaction somehow.  it was not unlike my original reaction to epsom salts baths, which caused thesame firey burning sensation but later helped.. 

 

d



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From: rticleone <rticleone@yahoo. ca>

Subject: [eSens] Re: RF absorber=conductive /needs grounding? Or not?

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:37 PM



Oh gods...



So. Much. Work.



I am currently using a system that would leave some other people feeling pretty rotten, and though I know I'd feel better with something improved, I don't know how far I need to go; still, I am being damn picky about it. Is it wrong to want the best when health is involved?



As for the monitor, if I go the route of a farther away, battery powered mini-ITX fanless box with aluminum heatsinks, and a separate monitor, I'd already have some of your steps covered, since I'd have (or do it myself/enlist local help if possible) a monitor modified to have LED backlighting, and yank out the bad components, stick 'em in a shielded box, and run it from DC, hence a great reduction in RF and everything else from the screen. I know this monitor could be a hundred times better! I'm certain I'd have a pretty easy time using it if it or another were improved upon as described above.



I can't really find info about using optocouplers for mice or keyboards. Have you got anything, or more elaboration?



As far as infrared keyboards and mice go, what sort are you referring to? Isee some, but they seem like they're only compatible with PDAs and other such wireless crap.



I thought I once read on this list that someone tried out an "infrared" mouse or keyboard, and they found it horrible, or it emitted RF, or some such thing. If you can point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it.



What about opening a mouse or keyboard (though it could be tricky, I've tried and failed) and covering the circuitry with non-conductive RF absorber?



You know, if I can somehow get this little mini itx box built, I may have the chance for them to stick a PCI card in, and then I'll be able to test what kind of emissions and electric field are generated by PCI-based fiber optic converters.. .



Many thanks again!



R.



--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, paulpjc@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 10/06/2009 22:52:04 GMT Daylight Time,

> rticleone@.. . writes:

>

> If I was looking at building from scratch (something akin to a laptop),

> what features in a screen would be the most important, EMF wise? I mean, LED

> lit LCD, but what about the components that make it up? What's worse and

> what's better? Could I stick ferrites on the cables that go to the screen?

>

>

>

> Paul uk -

> get the pc in a sheilded cupboard, run cables in tested/trusted ground in

> metal conduit, and go the last mile with optocoupler to mouse and keyboard

> or go infared, ensure that the pc has the best possible low noise power

> supply and the screen is backlit on leds and agin has a good low noise psu.

> Use magnification software such as zoomtext so that the screen can be placed

> as far away from you as possible but you can still view it comfortably.. ..

> dont wait until you feel sqiffy when using it get off it long before.

>

>

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I know, I know...this world has lost it's f***ing mind.  There's nothing wrong with information, and using that information to intelligently manage energy use.  But for God's sake, be intelligent about it! Enough, already, with this, "digital information management will save everything!" attitude. 

Heck, there's nothing wrong with wind and solar, either, but do you think the masses are going to be convinced to use filters, and demand things run off DC, instead of using inverters? Or that people should simply use their heads and think about when they run appliances instead of relying on a microwave device to tell them?

Hmm.

I agree - this smart-grid is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of in my life; what's worse is that it could be implemented in a far safer manner, if people could get it through their thick heads.

And that, my friends, is why I aim to have my very own, one-man, self contained smart grid, off the big n' stupid grid, as soon as I can, and watch the sh*t storm pass from a safer distance.

/Rant


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Super... more torture devices to be inflicted on us.

http://www.economist.com/science/tq/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13725843

Donnie


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only thing i can think of, R, is perhaps it was chelating toxins/metals from my bone marrow in my arms.  but i have no way to prove or disprove that.  i did have a similar--tho less painful reaction when the homeopath gave me the bone marrow remedy in january.  but that time i was ill for 4 to6 weeks before i got alot better.
 
d

--- On Thu, 6/11/09, R. Ticle <[hidden email]> wrote:


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Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: RF absorber=conductive/needs grounding? Or not?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:28 PM








Weird!

Very, very strange.  I wonder what the reason was?

--- On Thu, 6/11/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: RF absorber=conductive /needs grounding? Or not?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Received: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 10:17 PM

hi, R,

 

i was the one who reacted to the infrared mouse.  but the weird thing was, the day i retutrned it to radio shack was the day i quit reacting to my computer. and i reacted for about a year better than before to cell and microwave towers starting at the same time.  i can't help but wonder if that was connected!  the firey burning in my arms from the mouse was very painful, but i think it may have caused a healing reaction somehow.  it was not unlike my original reaction to epsom salts baths, which caused thesame firey burning sensation but later helped.. 

 

d

--- On Wed, 6/10/09, rticleone <rticleone@yahoo. ca> wrote:

From: rticleone <rticleone@yahoo. ca>

Subject: [eSens] Re: RF absorber=conductive /needs grounding? Or not?

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 7:37 PM

Oh gods...

So. Much. Work.

I am currently using a system that would leave some other people feeling pretty rotten, and though I know I'd feel better with something improved, I don't know how far I need to go; still, I am being damn picky about it. Is it wrong to want the best when health is involved?

As for the monitor, if I go the route of a farther away, battery powered mini-ITX fanless box with aluminum heatsinks, and a separate monitor, I'd already have some of your steps covered, since I'd have (or do it myself/enlist local help if possible) a monitor modified to have LED backlighting, and yank out the bad components, stick 'em in a shielded box, and run it from DC, hence a great reduction in RF and everything else from the screen. I know this monitor could be a hundred times better! I'm certain I'd have a pretty easy time using it if it or another were improved upon as described above.

I can't really find info about using optocouplers for mice or keyboards. Have you got anything, or more elaboration?

As far as infrared keyboards and mice go, what sort are you referring to? Isee some, but they seem like they're only compatible with PDAs and other such wireless crap.

I thought I once read on this list that someone tried out an "infrared" mouse or keyboard, and they found it horrible, or it emitted RF, or some such thing. If you can point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it.

What about opening a mouse or keyboard (though it could be tricky, I've tried and failed) and covering the circuitry with non-conductive RF absorber?

You know, if I can somehow get this little mini itx box built, I may have the chance for them to stick a PCI card in, and then I'll be able to test what kind of emissions and electric field are generated by PCI-based fiber optic converters.. .

Many thanks again!

R.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, paulpjc@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 10/06/2009 22:52:04 GMT Daylight Time,

> rticleone@.. . writes:

>

> If I was looking at building from scratch (something akin to a laptop),

> what features in a screen would be the most important, EMF wise? I mean, LED

> lit LCD, but what about the components that make it up? What's worse and

> what's better? Could I stick ferrites on the cables that go to the screen?

>

>

>

> Paul uk -

> get the pc in a sheilded cupboard, run cables in tested/trusted ground in

> metal conduit, and go the last mile with optocoupler to mouse and keyboard

> or go infared, ensure that the pc has the best possible low noise power

> supply and the screen is backlit on leds and agin has a good low noise psu.

> Use magnification software such as zoomtext so that the screen can be placed

> as far away from you as possible but you can still view it comfortably. ...

> dont wait until you feel sqiffy when using it get off it long before.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

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In a message dated 12/06/2009 00:30:01 GMT Daylight Time,
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was the one who reacted to the infrared mouse. but the weird thing was,
the day i retutrned it to radio shack was the day i quit reacting to my
computer. and


You are not alone - I still have an IR mouse and I dont like it, the AM
radio picks up a nasty sqeal off it to boot !


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