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Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)
This reminds me of an experience I had some years ago with a protection
device. I don't know what they are currently called - am waiting to
hear from someone who knows more.

But first I would like to remind/inform people of the work of Prof Ted
Litovitz (Catholic University, US) who found that different frequencies
cancel each other out. Ie, ELF fields are annulled by RFR. I have
discovered this for my self on several occasions, the most marked being
when I was staying in a B&B in the UK a couple of years ago. On the
first night I noticed there was a lot of security devices, smoke
detectors, cordless phones etc, and I slept badly, very lightly and
waking up every hour or two. On the second night I accidentally left
the water heater on in the bathroom (each bathroom had its own mini-hot
water service) and lo and behold I slept very well! The ELF field from
the HWS cancelled the RFR from the RF devices.

So in answer to what Lachlan says about his HWS, yes, if I'm in a house
with such a system (and no smoke detectors or other RF stuff) then I
also sleep better if it is turned off. Ditto the whole system. I quite
often switch the electricity off at the mains before going to bed. Where
I live now the HWS is gas, so its not a problem.  

Another thing to consider is the earth's EM field. If this is strong it
can also be a problem, but only if one is in a house, near the ground,
or especially in the country. This can be counteracted by just about
anything.

But getting back to this device I used to have. It was something that
contained bits of granite that were embedded in resin and then encased
in plastic. These bits of granite had been irradiated in order that
their natural radiation (whatever that was) was amplified many times.
This meant that the devices gave off a very high 'natural' frequency. I
used in when I lived in a caravan next to a house - and found that the
metal of the van picked up the fields from the house and magnified them.
I was so ill during this time that I thought I wasn't going to make it.
Then someone gave me this device, and again, I was saved. It worked
like a dream - HOWEVER there was a slight catch, which relates closely
to what Lachlan was saying about his irritation after using the
Sringlife device. If I had this device 'switched on' during a night
when the radiating devices in the house were off (electric radiators,
laptop on charge, video recorder on etc) then I would wake up in the
night feeling incredibly irritated, sometimes almost in a rage even, and
also had bad nightmares. This was most usually the case.

I have since got rid of the device, and find it easier to live away from
ELF fields altogether.

It would be interesting to know exactly how the Springlife devices work.


By the way Marc, with the flower essences I have found that it is
important to only use them when you're experiencing symptoms, otherwise
they can easily 'prove' - the homeopathic term for a remedy actually
doing the opposite of what it is supposed to do. Its complicated.
However, having said that, I also acknowledge that not everyone finds
these remedies effective.  

Sarah


-----Original Message-----
From: Lachlan Mudge [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Monday, 1 March 2004 1:09 PM
To: '[hidden email]'
Subject: RE: [eSens] Understanding vs Experiencing


Hello All

I'd first like to thank Marc for kindly sending me the springlife
pendant through the mail, which I received last Thursday. I have worn
it constantly since receiving it that morning. On the first day
(Thursday) that I wore it at work, I felt noticeably better in my office
- I didn't feel the same sort of lethargy by the end of the day that I
have been feeling consistently for some time. The following (Friday)
evening, I noticed that I was feeling significantly irritable, which
caused me to get agitated if I had to sit still for a short length of
time, though this irritation passed relatively quickly. This irritation
was quite possibly a result of external factors in my life, though I
have read that people report feelings of irritation within a short
period of being exposed to these products, so I thought it was worth
mentioning. I also had the first few good nights sleep I've had in a
long time when wearing this pendant, though I must add that I also made
a significant change to my sleeping environment at the same time, so
this is another subjective aspect to my situation. I plan to send this
pendant on to someone else on Esens, so once I remove any influence it
might be having on my life, I should then be able to make a more
objective assessment of it's influence. I will inform the group once I
have done this, in case anyone is interested. Incidentally, the change
to my sleeping environment involved turning off power to my electric
water heater and unnecessary power circuits at night time, as the
electricity meter-box and associated wiring is located on the outside of
my bedroom wall (I sleep against the opposite wall, several metres from
the meter-box). I also moved my AC electric alarm clock (which emanated
a significant field - measured with an EMDEX Snap gauss-meter). The
alarm clock was placed on a metal cabinet, which is also located as
close as possible to the meter box. I originally thought that the metal
cabinet would afford me some protection from electric fields emanating
from wiring in the meter box, however now that I have a better
understanding of electromagnetics, based on field theory, I fear that
the metal cabinet could potentially transmit a small amount of
radiation, originating from high frequency harmonics in my internal
wiring or potentially from harmonics on their way from the DC inverter
in my alarm clock, to my wiring system, via the neutral wire. I have
not yet acquired a spectrum analyser to rule out any of these
possibilities, so I am presently opting for a precautionary approach.
Hopefully I'll have something of interest to report on the pendant in
future Regards Lachlan

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, 27 February 2004 6:28 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Understanding vs Experiencing

> I think that your idea about exchanging the devices for test purposes
> is good. I think that there won't be much problem with customs.

I actually mailed two EMF devices to two list members, but I have not
heard if they ever received them!

> Listening to your recommendations, I would have bought a Quantum
> product
> to test it, but you also say that it won't work if the Quantum Byte
didn't.
> So I am in a doubt now which one to try? Please suggest.

If the free software download of the Quantum Byte software has no effect
on your computer use, then it's my opinion that none of the other
Quantum Products will help either. The two other products which I
consider to be the best are the Springlife Polarizers
(http://bioharmonics.com) and the Earthcalm Resonator
(http://earthcalm.com). These are the things I also sent out to the two
other list members, so I'd be interested if they notice any differences
in using them or not. Also, perhaps they'll be willing to mail them to
you so that you can try them out for free.

>how about crystals, etc.

Crystals are an interesting topic. My wife has lately become interested
in buying fancy crystals (quartz, etc.), just because she likes them.
However, I quickly found that these were highly agitating to me, so I
try to keep my distance from them. However, some may find benefits from
them. One nice thing about crystals is that many cities have stores
where they sell crystals. So for no cost, you could go to a store, pick
up a crystal, and see if you feel anything. It shouldn't take any more
than a minute to tell.

> I read elsewhere that a special homeopathic remedy against ES

I once tried the "Yarrow Special Formula" homeopathic remedy, but for me
it didn't appear to do anything.

Marc


 
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Marc Martin
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>If I had this device 'switched on' during a night
>when the radiating devices in the house were off then I would wake up in the
>night feeling incredibly irritated, sometimes almost in a rage even, and
>also had bad nightmares.

There have been a few devices I've purchased over the years which I have
had bad reactions to. By far the worst was the "Seed of Life" Sacred
Geometry medallion:

http://www.languageoflight.com/store.html

Looking at this thing, it appears harmless enough. As is usually the case,
I don't expect such a device to do anything. Especially when it supposedly
works just because of it's geometric properties.

And yet, within 5-10 minutes of putting this thing around my neck, I felt
highly agitated, and also like I was having a panic attack and heart
palpitations. For the next week or so, I tried experimenting with it by
having it several feet away from me. The effect was reduced, however it
was still very unpleasant. And it even left a lingering effect that took a
week to go away. I eventually had to dispose of it in some public garbage
can -- and even the drive to the garbage can was agitating!

I had a similar reaction to a supplement called "Modifilan"
(http://www.modifilan.com/). This is a supplement which was designed to
detoxify radiation from the victims in Chernobyl. And I later learned that
the agitation I was experiencing is a symptom of radiation detox. But
still, I believe that there are safe ways to detox and unsafe ways. And
that pendant and that supplement seemed to be very unsafe.

Marc

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Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)
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I think its important to find out how these devices work. What do the
creators of, say, the Sacred Geometry medallion, say about WHY and HOW
it works? So many devices are on the market, and discussed here, but
I'm worried that no one seems interested in something so basic. If we
don't understand how and why something works, how can we assess its
value as a protective device? Ditto, of course, the human body.
Bioelectromagnetics is a fairly new field - but one that will hopefully
develop much further in the years to come.  

it supposedly works just because of it's geometric properties.

What geometric properties?!!!! How could this affect the human being?

I have not experienced radiation detox in a negative way - because I
can't store it. However after I switch off the electricity at night I
sometimes get an augmented buzzing sensation before everything calms
down.

Marc your trip to the rubbish bin amused me because with the device I
had - although I didn't throw it away I stored it somewhere at work -
out of sight - and then realised it had disappeared after a few years!

sarah


-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2004 2:34 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Understanding AND Experiencing


>If I had this device 'switched on' during a night
>when the radiating devices in the house were off then I would wake up
>in the night feeling incredibly irritated, sometimes almost in a rage
>even, and also had bad nightmares.

There have been a few devices I've purchased over the years which I have
had bad reactions to. By far the worst was the "Seed of Life" Sacred
Geometry medallion:

http://www.languageoflight.com/store.html

Looking at this thing, it appears harmless enough. As is usually the
case, I don't expect such a device to do anything. Especially when it
supposedly works just because of it's geometric properties.

And yet, within 5-10 minutes of putting this thing around my neck, I
felt highly agitated, and also like I was having a panic attack and
heart palpitations. For the next week or so, I tried experimenting with
it by having it several feet away from me. The effect was reduced,
however it was still very unpleasant. And it even left a lingering
effect that took a week to go away. I eventually had to dispose of it
in some public garbage can -- and even the drive to the garbage can was
agitating!

I had a similar reaction to a supplement called "Modifilan"
(http://www.modifilan.com/). This is a supplement which was designed to
detoxify radiation from the victims in Chernobyl. And I later learned
that the agitation I was experiencing is a symptom of radiation detox.
But still, I believe that there are safe ways to detox and unsafe ways.
And that pendant and that supplement seemed to be very unsafe.

Marc


 
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Marc Martin
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>I think its important to find out how these devices work. What do the
>creators of, say, the Sacred Geometry medallion, say about WHY and HOW
>it works? So many devices are on the market, and discussed here, but
>I'm worried that no one seems interested in something so basic.

I think the problem is that most of the people on the planet (including
current scientists) are oblivious to the way things work in the universe.
The makers of the medallion insist that it is the SHAPE of the medallion
that makes it work. Yes, I realize that this sound ridiculous to most,
but then do an Internet and Amazon.com search on "Sacred Geometry".
On Google you get 75,000 matches. On Amazon there are dozens of books.
So there are a LOT of people interested in this subject, just nobody
on this list. Not even me, actually. The Earthcalm pendant (which
is also very powerful, BTW), also lists as one of its 3 reasons for
working as being Sacred Geometry.

For a skeptic, it's much easier to just laugh and ridicule the
idea that geometry could have any effect on someone's health.
And yet, that's not a very scientific approach, now is it?
Someone who is truly interested in a scientific approach should
read some websites and books on Sacred Geometry, and they'd
probably figure out how these devices work just from that
alone. And they could try buying the device and establishing
that it has some sort of effect on them if they need some
motivation to learn something new. Also, they would probably
notice that there are geometric healing things on the web
(I recall a series of credit-card devices with shapes printed
on them, but I never bought them).

BTW, since I had such a huge reaction to this device, I emailed
the manufacturer, and they said that my reaction was extremely
rare (that's what they ALL say...), and was mostly likely
a detox reaction. They suggested keeping it a certain distance
from me and for only short periods of time, but they didn't
seem to understand that I couldn't even keep it in the house!

I also let my wife try it on -- she wore it for 2 hours, and
noticed nothing. I also lent it to a coworker, who said she
felt energized pretty quickly, but I guess she didn't like
it well enough to want to keep it, because she returned it
to me a few hours later (and a week later it was in the
trash).

By the way, I also have some old devices stored away at the
opposite side of the building at my workplace. I don't
think people can comprehend that I can't just store them
at my desk, because they have an effect on me...

Marc

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charles-2
Hello,

it is not Sacred Geometry.
It is just some geometry.
Symbols.
Special symbols.
Just that.
And they work.
Mystery at work.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/
http://www.hese-project.org
checked by Norton Antivirus



----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 16:42
Subject: RE: [eSens] Understanding AND Experiencing


> >I think its important to find out how these devices work. What do the
> >creators of, say, the Sacred Geometry medallion, say about WHY and HOW
> >it works? So many devices are on the market, and discussed here, but
> >I'm worried that no one seems interested in something so basic.
>
> I think the problem is that most of the people on the planet (including
> current scientists) are oblivious to the way things work in the universe.
> The makers of the medallion insist that it is the SHAPE of the medallion
> that makes it work. Yes, I realize that this sound ridiculous to most,
> but then do an Internet and Amazon.com search on "Sacred Geometry".
> On Google you get 75,000 matches. On Amazon there are dozens of books.
> So there are a LOT of people interested in this subject, just nobody
> on this list. Not even me, actually. The Earthcalm pendant (which
> is also very powerful, BTW), also lists as one of its 3 reasons for
> working as being Sacred Geometry.
>
> For a skeptic, it's much easier to just laugh and ridicule the
> idea that geometry could have any effect on someone's health.
> And yet, that's not a very scientific approach, now is it?
> Someone who is truly interested in a scientific approach should
> read some websites and books on Sacred Geometry, and they'd
> probably figure out how these devices work just from that
> alone. And they could try buying the device and establishing
> that it has some sort of effect on them if they need some
> motivation to learn something new. Also, they would probably
> notice that there are geometric healing things on the web
> (I recall a series of credit-card devices with shapes printed
> on them, but I never bought them).
>
> BTW, since I had such a huge reaction to this device, I emailed
> the manufacturer, and they said that my reaction was extremely
> rare (that's what they ALL say...), and was mostly likely
> a detox reaction. They suggested keeping it a certain distance
> from me and for only short periods of time, but they didn't
> seem to understand that I couldn't even keep it in the house!
>
> I also let my wife try it on -- she wore it for 2 hours, and
> noticed nothing. I also lent it to a coworker, who said she
> felt energized pretty quickly, but I guess she didn't like
> it well enough to want to keep it, because she returned it
> to me a few hours later (and a week later it was in the
> trash).
>
> By the way, I also have some old devices stored away at the
> opposite side of the building at my workplace. I don't
> think people can comprehend that I can't just store them
> at my desk, because they have an effect on me...
>
> Marc
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