RE: Bioresonance
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Has anyone experienced treatment with bioresonance-type machines, and did it
do any good? Charles commented on these that the published explanations of how they work seem to be handwaving and hype, and I feel the same. But like so many things, they might work empirically? Dr David Dowson argues against them for ES, saying that one of his patients tried it and got worse. But as all individuals seem to react differently, has it helped other people? Sue was treated twice on a machine of this general type (the Raytheon). The first time gave unexpected results; her ES was worsened but her MCS was helped! The second time it just made her ES worse, and we have not tried it since. Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hello Ian,
you misunderstood me. Real bioresonance machines are a godsend. I mean the Rife machines. (see my website) Not the Mora, or a Biocom, or such types, which are more acupuncture machines. A real Rife machine works with a big lamp, or has hand- and foot electrodes, or big round antennas. And does not hinder electrosensible people. And can improve health considerably. In my former posting, I only wanted to explain, that for ordinary people, looking for the influence of frequencies, it is not obvious what to expect. One may have a reaction, a *Herx*, or a socalled *Hit*. The frequency may do something in your aura only (or not). But the frequency may also enter your body and make or make not reactions in cells. Like with homeopathy, when one has the impression that the illness is getting worse, this means, that you are on the richt track, and that the therapy is catching on. Soon afterwards, the illness will be gone. Around the body we have frequency fields in the MHz region. The body itsself emits freuqncies around 90 GHz. So, take your pick. Be aware, that people with MCS may also have Lyme Disease, which is difficult to detect. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Kemp" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:54 Subject: RE: [eSens] Bioresonance > Has anyone experienced treatment with bioresonance-type machines, and did > it > do any good? Charles commented on these that the published explanations > of > how they work seem to be handwaving and hype, and I feel the same. But > like > so many things, they might work empirically? > > Dr David Dowson argues against them for ES, saying that one of his > patients > tried it and got worse. But as all individuals seem to react differently, > has it helped other people? > > Sue was treated twice on a machine of this general type (the Raytheon). > The > first time gave unexpected results; her ES was worsened but her MCS was > helped! The second time it just made her ES worse, and we have not tried > it > since. > > Ian > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > |
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Thanks for clarifying this Charles. How about the Raytheon machine (German)
- which type does that belong to? Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of charles Sent: 16 February 2006 17:34 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Bioresonance Hello Ian, you misunderstood me. Real bioresonance machines are a godsend. I mean the Rife machines. (see my website) Not the Mora, or a Biocom, or such types, which are more acupuncture machines. A real Rife machine works with a big lamp, or has hand- and foot electrodes, or big round antennas. And does not hinder electrosensible people. And can improve health considerably. In my former posting, I only wanted to explain, that for ordinary people, looking for the influence of frequencies, it is not obvious what to expect. One may have a reaction, a *Herx*, or a socalled *Hit*. The frequency may do something in your aura only (or not). But the frequency may also enter your body and make or make not reactions in cells. Like with homeopathy, when one has the impression that the illness is getting worse, this means, that you are on the richt track, and that the therapy is catching on. Soon afterwards, the illness will be gone. Around the body we have frequency fields in the MHz region. The body itsself emits freuqncies around 90 GHz. So, take your pick. Be aware, that people with MCS may also have Lyme Disease, which is difficult to detect. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Kemp" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:54 Subject: RE: [eSens] Bioresonance > Has anyone experienced treatment with bioresonance-type machines, and did > it > do any good? Charles commented on these that the published explanations > of > how they work seem to be handwaving and hype, and I feel the same. But > like > so many things, they might work empirically? > > Dr David Dowson argues against them for ES, saying that one of his > patients > tried it and got worse. But as all individuals seem to react differently, > has it helped other people? > > Sue was treated twice on a machine of this general type (the Raytheon). > The > first time gave unexpected results; her ES was worsened but her MCS was > helped! The second time it just made her ES worse, and we have not tried > it > since. > > Ian > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness&w1=Health+and+welln ess&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Health+prom otion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+health+welln ess&c=6&s=187&.sig=lYI8B8UF6O4ROok_KpWbMQ> and wellness Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+wellness+product&w1=Health+and+w ellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Health+ promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+health+w ellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=7FG7KpKu_ab8sI-sfGXbBw> wellness product Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness+program&w1=Health+a nd+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Hea lth+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+heal th+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=SdRoxwZKC3KlEgk4EdZDpQ> and wellness program Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+promotion+and+wellness&w1=Health +and+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=H ealth+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+he alth+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=2N5rUTc4fwFZmwqyTa-mLw> promotion and wellness Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w1=Health +and+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=H ealth+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+he alth+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=TWFLmBa9J_P4FmW0xiOmnw> and wellness promotion Business <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Business+health+wellness&w1=Health+and+ wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Health +promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+health+ wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=cq8JlfksEGFMRzKQ0DoSOA> health wellness _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "eSens <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I am looking at buying a Rife machine with a tube bulb type emitter. I
understand that the tube has much deeper penetration than the hand held metal kind. Do you agree? Andrew On Feb 16, 2006, at 12:33 PM, charles wrote: > Hello Ian, > > you misunderstood me. > > Real bioresonance machines are a godsend. > I mean the Rife machines. > (see my website) > Not the Mora, or a Biocom, or such types, which are more acupuncture > machines. > A real Rife machine works with a big lamp, or has hand- and foot > electrodes, > or big round antennas. > And does not hinder electrosensible people. > And can improve health considerably. > > In my former posting, I only wanted to explain, that for ordinary > people, > looking for the influence of frequencies, it is not obvious what to > expect. > One may have a reaction, a *Herx*, or a socalled *Hit*. > The frequency may do something in your aura only (or not). > But the frequency may also enter your body and make or make not > reactions in > cells. > > Like with homeopathy, when one has the impression that the illness is > getting worse, this means, that you are on the richt track, and that > the > therapy > is catching on. Soon afterwards, the illness will be gone. > > Around the body we have frequency fields in the MHz region. > The body itsself emits freuqncies around 90 GHz. > So, take your pick. > > Be aware, that people with MCS may also have Lyme Disease, which is > difficult to detect. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Kemp" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:54 > Subject: RE: [eSens] Bioresonance > > >> Has anyone experienced treatment with bioresonance-type machines, and >> did >> it >> do any good? Charles commented on these that the published >> explanations >> of >> how they work seem to be handwaving and hype, and I feel the same. >> But >> like >> so many things, they might work empirically? >> >> Dr David Dowson argues against them for ES, saying that one of his >> patients >> tried it and got worse. But as all individuals seem to react >> differently, >> has it helped other people? >> >> Sue was treated twice on a machine of this general type (the >> Raytheon). >> The >> first time gave unexpected results; her ES was worsened but her MCS >> was >> helped! The second time it just made her ES worse, and we have not >> tried >> it >> since. >> >> Ian >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > |
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Hello Ian,
I am sorry, but could not find any information about your Raytheon machine. It is certainly not mentioned in our list of Rife machines. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Kemp" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 18:53 Subject: RE: [eSens] Bioresonance > Thanks for clarifying this Charles. How about the Raytheon machine > (German) > - which type does that belong to? > Ian > > _____ > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of > charles > Sent: 16 February 2006 17:34 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [eSens] Bioresonance > > > Hello Ian, > > you misunderstood me. > > Real bioresonance machines are a godsend. > I mean the Rife machines. > (see my website) > Not the Mora, or a Biocom, or such types, which are more acupuncture > machines. > A real Rife machine works with a big lamp, or has hand- and foot > electrodes, > or big round antennas. > And does not hinder electrosensible people. > And can improve health considerably. > > In my former posting, I only wanted to explain, that for ordinary people, > looking for the influence of frequencies, it is not obvious what to > expect. > One may have a reaction, a *Herx*, or a socalled *Hit*. > The frequency may do something in your aura only (or not). > But the frequency may also enter your body and make or make not reactions > in > cells. > > Like with homeopathy, when one has the impression that the illness is > getting worse, this means, that you are on the richt track, and that the > therapy > is catching on. Soon afterwards, the illness will be gone. > > Around the body we have frequency fields in the MHz region. > The body itsself emits freuqncies around 90 GHz. > So, take your pick. > > Be aware, that people with MCS may also have Lyme Disease, which is > difficult to detect. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Kemp" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:54 > Subject: RE: [eSens] Bioresonance > > >> Has anyone experienced treatment with bioresonance-type machines, and did >> it >> do any good? Charles commented on these that the published explanations >> of >> how they work seem to be handwaving and hype, and I feel the same. But >> like >> so many things, they might work empirically? >> >> Dr David Dowson argues against them for ES, saying that one of his >> patients >> tried it and got worse. But as all individuals seem to react >> differently, >> has it helped other people? >> >> Sue was treated twice on a machine of this general type (the Raytheon). >> The >> first time gave unexpected results; her ES was worsened but her MCS was >> helped! The second time it just made her ES worse, and we have not tried >> it >> since. >> >> Ian >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! 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Hello Andrew,
as an afterthought. A good bulb type machine, and not so expensive is the EMEM3D or EMEM5D. It is perhaps a good idea of reading first the book *Lyme Disease and Rife Machines, when antibiotics fail* by Bryan Rosner. See www.lymebook.com Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew McAfee" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 19:14 Subject: Re: [eSens] Bioresonance rife >I am looking at buying a Rife machine with a tube bulb type emitter. I > understand that the tube has much deeper penetration than the hand held > metal kind. > Do you agree? > Andrew > On Feb 16, 2006, at 12:33 PM, charles wrote: > >> Hello Ian, >> >> you misunderstood me. >> >> Real bioresonance machines are a godsend. >> I mean the Rife machines. >> (see my website) >> Not the Mora, or a Biocom, or such types, which are more acupuncture >> machines. >> A real Rife machine works with a big lamp, or has hand- and foot >> electrodes, >> or big round antennas. >> And does not hinder electrosensible people. >> And can improve health considerably. >> >> In my former posting, I only wanted to explain, that for ordinary >> people, >> looking for the influence of frequencies, it is not obvious what to >> expect. >> One may have a reaction, a *Herx*, or a socalled *Hit*. >> The frequency may do something in your aura only (or not). >> But the frequency may also enter your body and make or make not >> reactions in >> cells. >> >> Like with homeopathy, when one has the impression that the illness is >> getting worse, this means, that you are on the richt track, and that >> the >> therapy >> is catching on. Soon afterwards, the illness will be gone. >> >> Around the body we have frequency fields in the MHz region. >> The body itsself emits freuqncies around 90 GHz. >> So, take your pick. >> >> Be aware, that people with MCS may also have Lyme Disease, which is >> difficult to detect. >> >> Greetings, >> Charles Claessens >> member Verband Baubiologie >> www.milieuziektes.nl >> www.milieuziektes.be >> www.hetbitje.nl >> checked by Norton Antivirus >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ian Kemp" <[hidden email]> >> To: <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:54 >> Subject: RE: [eSens] Bioresonance >> >> >>> Has anyone experienced treatment with bioresonance-type machines, and >>> did >>> it >>> do any good? Charles commented on these that the published >>> explanations >>> of >>> how they work seem to be handwaving and hype, and I feel the same. >>> But >>> like >>> so many things, they might work empirically? >>> >>> Dr David Dowson argues against them for ES, saying that one of his >>> patients >>> tried it and got worse. But as all individuals seem to react >>> differently, >>> has it helped other people? >>> >>> Sue was treated twice on a machine of this general type (the >>> Raytheon). >>> The >>> first time gave unexpected results; her ES was worsened but her MCS >>> was >>> helped! The second time it just made her ES worse, and we have not >>> tried >>> it >>> since. >>> >>> Ian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > |
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Hello Andrew,
no, that is not true. The one with hand and foot electrodes has the same penetration grade. As for Rife, there is now a small machine for 1450 Euro. See: http://enviva.nl/shop/index.php?cPath=22 the Rife generator. There is a large bank with prprogrammed frequencies. I own the MORI II, which has Rife as well as Hulda Clark frequencies. We have obtained very good results with that machine. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew McAfee" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 19:14 Subject: Re: [eSens] Bioresonance rife >I am looking at buying a Rife machine with a tube bulb type emitter. I > understand that the tube has much deeper penetration than the hand held > metal kind. > Do you agree? > Andrew > On Feb 16, 2006, at 12:33 PM, charles wrote: > >> Hello Ian, >> >> you misunderstood me. >> >> Real bioresonance machines are a godsend. >> I mean the Rife machines. >> (see my website) >> Not the Mora, or a Biocom, or such types, which are more acupuncture >> machines. >> A real Rife machine works with a big lamp, or has hand- and foot >> electrodes, >> or big round antennas. >> And does not hinder electrosensible people. >> And can improve health considerably. >> >> In my former posting, I only wanted to explain, that for ordinary >> people, >> looking for the influence of frequencies, it is not obvious what to >> expect. >> One may have a reaction, a *Herx*, or a socalled *Hit*. >> The frequency may do something in your aura only (or not). >> But the frequency may also enter your body and make or make not >> reactions in >> cells. >> >> Like with homeopathy, when one has the impression that the illness is >> getting worse, this means, that you are on the richt track, and that >> the >> therapy >> is catching on. Soon afterwards, the illness will be gone. >> >> Around the body we have frequency fields in the MHz region. >> The body itsself emits freuqncies around 90 GHz. >> So, take your pick. >> >> Be aware, that people with MCS may also have Lyme Disease, which is >> difficult to detect. >> >> Greetings, >> Charles Claessens >> member Verband Baubiologie >> www.milieuziektes.nl >> www.milieuziektes.be >> www.hetbitje.nl >> checked by Norton Antivirus >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ian Kemp" <[hidden email]> >> To: <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:54 >> Subject: RE: [eSens] Bioresonance >> >> >>> Has anyone experienced treatment with bioresonance-type machines, and >>> did >>> it >>> do any good? Charles commented on these that the published >>> explanations >>> of >>> how they work seem to be handwaving and hype, and I feel the same. >>> But >>> like >>> so many things, they might work empirically? >>> >>> Dr David Dowson argues against them for ES, saying that one of his >>> patients >>> tried it and got worse. But as all individuals seem to react >>> differently, >>> has it helped other people? >>> >>> Sue was treated twice on a machine of this general type (the >>> Raytheon). >>> The >>> first time gave unexpected results; her ES was worsened but her MCS >>> was >>> helped! The second time it just made her ES worse, and we have not >>> tried >>> it >>> since. >>> >>> Ian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > |
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I wonder if I have got the name slightly wrong. I can't find it on the
Internet either. It was supplied from Germany and there were quite a few around. It ran through a variety of frequency programmes which tended to last between half an hour and an hour. The naturopath who used it didn't really understand how it worked, to be honest. Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of charles Sent: 16 February 2006 18:15 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Bioresonance Hello Ian, I am sorry, but could not find any information about your Raytheon machine. It is certainly not mentioned in our list of Rife machines. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Kemp" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 18:53 Subject: RE: [eSens] Bioresonance > Thanks for clarifying this Charles. How about the Raytheon machine > (German) > - which type does that belong to? > Ian > > _____ > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of > charles > Sent: 16 February 2006 17:34 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [eSens] Bioresonance > > > Hello Ian, > > you misunderstood me. > > Real bioresonance machines are a godsend. > I mean the Rife machines. > (see my website) > Not the Mora, or a Biocom, or such types, which are more acupuncture > machines. > A real Rife machine works with a big lamp, or has hand- and foot > electrodes, > or big round antennas. > And does not hinder electrosensible people. > And can improve health considerably. > > In my former posting, I only wanted to explain, that for ordinary people, > looking for the influence of frequencies, it is not obvious what to > expect. > One may have a reaction, a *Herx*, or a socalled *Hit*. > The frequency may do something in your aura only (or not). > But the frequency may also enter your body and make or make not reactions > in > cells. > > Like with homeopathy, when one has the impression that the illness is > getting worse, this means, that you are on the richt track, and that the > therapy > is catching on. Soon afterwards, the illness will be gone. > > Around the body we have frequency fields in the MHz region. > The body itsself emits freuqncies around 90 GHz. > So, take your pick. > > Be aware, that people with MCS may also have Lyme Disease, which is > difficult to detect. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Kemp" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:54 > Subject: RE: [eSens] Bioresonance > > >> Has anyone experienced treatment with bioresonance-type machines, and did >> it >> do any good? Charles commented on these that the published explanations >> of >> how they work seem to be handwaving and hype, and I feel the same. But >> like >> so many things, they might work empirically? >> >> Dr David Dowson argues against them for ES, saying that one of his >> patients >> tried it and got worse. But as all individuals seem to react >> differently, >> has it helped other people? >> >> Sue was treated twice on a machine of this general type (the Raytheon). >> The >> first time gave unexpected results; her ES was worsened but her MCS was >> helped! The second time it just made her ES worse, and we have not tried >> it >> since. >> >> Ian >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! 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Thanks for writing this, Charles. I was thinking this also when I read Ian's post--when people get ill from a treatment, it doesn't always mean this is a bad sign, but that the body is moving toxins or making changes of various kinds that are temporarily causing a bad reaction. I didn't reply to Ian because I am not really ES except when using a cell phone and feel somewhat unqualified to say these things here. But in my case, where CFIDS (ME), FM, MCS, etc, etc were concerned, there have been many times I thought I was getting worse from a treatment I was trying. Only later I found it was helping, but it took abit of pain (sometimes great pain!) to reach that point. This was expecially true of anything that detoxed my body, and alot of my illness was centered around toxins. I did not know that for most of my life. I am now even having to diet to lose fat that accummulated toxins. It has been very difficult and I have gotten quite ill from losing this fat! The nutritionist I am seeing is the one who figured this out--I was not able to lose weight at all, it just would not budge. He told me that my body could not deal with all the toxins and found a way to put it into long term storage in my adipose fat. I was very fatigued, partly because my body would not touch my fat for energy needs. I had to take supplements and germicidals, etc, to get this weight to come off, in addition to very low carb dieting. I got very ill (and still do) when I am losing. I take breaks along the way so that I am not ill for many months on end and feel really great now when I am on these breaks. I have about 20 more pounds to go. The nutritionist said to go down to at least 110 pounds, but I may have to go under 100 pounds, if I still have any adipose fat left. After I get all the weight off, tho, I can put on some weight again till I reach the level that feels right for me (around 118 to 125 pounds--and that fat will no longer be toxic.) I thought I had gotten the toxins all out before, but I keep finding them in new places. And mobilizing them in any way seems to always make me very ill. The nutritionist says I will periodically have to be on a maintenance program to eliminate toxins for the rest of my life. But I have them down to a level now where they no longer make me chronically ill. It was not till I dealt with the fat issue tho, that I could get past adrenal dysfunction. Every supplement that I now take made me very ill initially from die-off or some other reaction. Sue might want to revisit some of these therapies that she felt made her worse. Some things you just have to go slower on or lower doses of, till you can better tolerate the worsening symptoms. Others can be attempted at a later date when the toxins are at more managable levels. My best to Sue, Diane charles <[hidden email]> wrote: Hello Ian, you misunderstood me. Real bioresonance machines are a godsend. I mean the Rife machines. (see my website) Not the Mora, or a Biocom, or such types, which are more acupuncture machines. A real Rife machine works with a big lamp, or has hand- and foot electrodes, or big round antennas. And does not hinder electrosensible people. And can improve health considerably. In my former posting, I only wanted to explain, that for ordinary people, looking for the influence of frequencies, it is not obvious what to expect. One may have a reaction, a *Herx*, or a socalled *Hit*. The frequency may do something in your aura only (or not). But the frequency may also enter your body and make or make not reactions in cells. Like with homeopathy, when one has the impression that the illness is getting worse, this means, that you are on the richt track, and that the therapy is catching on. Soon afterwards, the illness will be gone. Around the body we have frequency fields in the MHz region. The body itsself emits freuqncies around 90 GHz. So, take your pick. Be aware, that people with MCS may also have Lyme Disease, which is difficult to detect. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Yes, in fact we are revisiting some treatments that Sue couldn't take a year
or so back, particularly in the detox and chelating area. But we have to be very careful. When we tried originally, Sue's immune system was too run down to take the released toxins/metals and she ended up with an incredible form of "brain fog" which was not just fatigue, but disturbed the balance of her mind. It even led to irrational suicidal impulses, which were clearly chemically, not psychologically induced. This then linked with her MCS so that exposure to all kinds of things triggered it. It gave us a very fraught few months. One particularly bad episode came after a masseuse had freed up a lymph system blockage - it looks as if that had stored away various "nasties" (as with your adipose fat). In her case the problem appeared to be clearly linked to failures in the liver detoxification pathways. In particular, her glutathione levels were badly depleted, and intravenous glutathione has helped a lot. She now goes back to Breakspear Hospital about once every 1-2 months for a "top-up" shot, whenever she starts feeling consistently "foggy" - but nowadays these are just the "can't concentrate" fogs, not the "suicidal black fogs". And her MCS is a lot better now. Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Evie Sent: 16 February 2006 22:02 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Bioresonance Hi, Ian and Charles, Thanks for writing this, Charles. I was thinking this also when I read Ian's post--when people get ill from a treatment, it doesn't always mean this is a bad sign, but that the body is moving toxins or making changes of various kinds that are temporarily causing a bad reaction. I didn't reply to Ian because I am not really ES except when using a cell phone and feel somewhat unqualified to say these things here. But in my case, where CFIDS (ME), FM, MCS, etc, etc were concerned, there have been many times I thought I was getting worse from a treatment I was trying. Only later I found it was helping, but it took abit of pain (sometimes great pain!) to reach that point. This was expecially true of anything that detoxed my body, and alot of my illness was centered around toxins. I did not know that for most of my life. I am now even having to diet to lose fat that accummulated toxins. It has been very difficult and I have gotten quite ill from losing this fat! The nutritionist I am seeing is the one who figured this out--I was not able to lose weight at all, it just would not budge. He told me that my body could not deal with all the toxins and found a way to put it into long term storage in my adipose fat. I was very fatigued, partly because my body would not touch my fat for energy needs. I had to take supplements and germicidals, etc, to get this weight to come off, in addition to very low carb dieting. I got very ill (and still do) when I am losing. I take breaks along the way so that I am not ill for many months on end and feel really great now when I am on these breaks. I have about 20 more pounds to go. The nutritionist said to go down to at least 110 pounds, but I may have to go under 100 pounds, if I still have any adipose fat le ft. After I get all the weight off, tho, I can put on some weight again till I reach the level that feels right for me (around 118 to 125 pounds--and that fat will no longer be toxic.) I thought I had gotten the toxins all out before, but I keep finding them in new places. And mobilizing them in any way seems to always make me very ill. The nutritionist says I will periodically have to be on a maintenance program to eliminate toxins for the rest of my life. But I have them down to a level now where they no longer make me chronically ill. It was not till I dealt with the fat issue tho, that I could get past adrenal dysfunction. Every supplement that I now take made me very ill initially from die-off or some other reaction. Sue might want to revisit some of these therapies that she felt made her worse. Some things you just have to go slower on or lower doses of, till you can better tolerate the worsening symptoms. Others can be attempted at a later date when the toxins are at more managable levels. My best to Sue, Diane charles <[hidden email]> wrote: Hello Ian, you misunderstood me. Real bioresonance machines are a godsend. I mean the Rife machines. (see my website) Not the Mora, or a Biocom, or such types, which are more acupuncture machines. A real Rife machine works with a big lamp, or has hand- and foot electrodes, or big round antennas. And does not hinder electrosensible people. And can improve health considerably. In my former posting, I only wanted to explain, that for ordinary people, looking for the influence of frequencies, it is not obvious what to expect. One may have a reaction, a *Herx*, or a socalled *Hit*. The frequency may do something in your aura only (or not). But the frequency may also enter your body and make or make not reactions in cells. Like with homeopathy, when one has the impression that the illness is getting worse, this means, that you are on the richt track, and that the therapy is catching on. Soon afterwards, the illness will be gone. Around the body we have frequency fields in the MHz region. The body itsself emits freuqncies around 90 GHz. So, take your pick. Be aware, that people with MCS may also have Lyme Disease, which is difficult to detect. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? 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