Question on different herbs used for detox
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Hello, Various supplements I take/teas i drink/herbs i incorporate in my diet are warned against here. You all seem to agree on cilantro. I read it takes heavy metals out of the brain, after which spirulina would be a good replacement. You do not like that one here. Cilantro binds to heavy metals. Why not also try Holy basil/spirulina, green tea (fluor)? Does the fact they contain the stuff we wanna get rid off mean we should avoid them or that they bind to the very substances we wanna get rid off(have a way of "dealing" them for themselves) and will continue to do this in the body?? Have giving up of getting through this on the knowledge path, but those who have not, please try to understand/consider/explore my question here. Love |
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> Various supplements I take/teas i drink/herbs i incorporate in my
> diet are warned against here. Well, everyone seems to react differently to things -- if you are having a good reaction to something we warn against, then you should continue taking it. Even me, who put out a warning on spirulina and chlorella, consume this stuff pretty regularly. But only in limited amounts, and usually its mixed in with other stuff, part of a "superfood" mix. This seems to make a difference for me. Marc |
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It is a great question. Dr. Huggins had negative things to say about
Chlorella. It has something to do with it turning inorganic mercury into methyl-mercury which is much more toxic. Candida does the same thing in order to gain energy from the reaction and process. I could be totally wrong on this and need to reread those sections again to be totally sure. I drink a glass of Green Food every day. I know of someone that has been taking Alpha Sun and Omega Sun for years and her metal tests are nil. The jury is still out on this for me. Looking forward to hearing more info from the group. Andrew On Jan 22, 2005, at 2:38 PM, perla1133 wrote: > > > Hello, > > Various supplements I take/teas i drink/herbs i incorporate in my > diet are warned against here. You all seem to agree on cilantro. I > read it takes heavy metals out of the brain, after which spirulina > would be a good replacement. You do not like that one here. > > Cilantro binds to heavy metals. Why not also try Holy > basil/spirulina, green tea (fluor)? Does the fact they contain the > stuff we wanna get rid off mean we should avoid them or that they > bind to the very substances we wanna get rid off(have a way > of "dealing" them for themselves) and will continue to do this in > the body?? > > Have giving up of getting through this on the knowledge path, but > those who have not, please try to understand/consider/explore my > question here. > > Love > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > |
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Hi all,
So I bought a couple of the Green 8 items from http://radiationprotector.com I ordered a small one (cellphone sized) and a pendant sized one. Unfortunately, they didn't send me the pendant one I wanted -- instead, they sent a "food" treatment item which is about the same size. I held this one in my hands for a few minutes, and could quickly tell that this one and me were not going to get along. It was like my body was shutting down -- I felt weakness in my arms, didn't feel well, etc. So that one is no good. As for the cellphone sized one, I'll try that next. One thing's for sure -- they've got some fancy marketing and packaging. I got some color brochures, and an hour long VCD (video CD) featuring a TV commercial, plus a press conference showing people being EAV tested while using cellphones both with and without a small green 8 in the battery compartment. But good marketing aside, so far it doesn't look good for these items... Marc |
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please keep us posted, by all means. Have you heard of anybody who was helped by these? Sounds to good to be true
Hillel ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: [hidden email] Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:15 AM Subject: [eSens] Green 8 Hi all, So I bought a couple of the Green 8 items from http://radiationprotector.com I ordered a small one (cellphone sized) and a pendant sized one. Unfortunately, they didn't send me the pendant one I wanted -- instead, they sent a "food" treatment item which is about the same size. I held this one in my hands for a few minutes, and could quickly tell that this one and me were not going to get along. It was like my body was shutting down -- I felt weakness in my arms, didn't feel well, etc. So that one is no good. As for the cellphone sized one, I'll try that next. One thing's for sure -- they've got some fancy marketing and packaging. I got some color brochures, and an hour long VCD (video CD) featuring a TV commercial, plus a press conference showing people being EAV tested while using cellphones both with and without a small green 8 in the battery compartment. But good marketing aside, so far it doesn't look good for these items... Marc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hillel Wahrman wrote:
> please keep us posted, by all means. Have you heard of anybody > who was helped by these? No I haven't, but I thought I'd try them out anyway -- I've tried almost every other EMF protection device, after all... :-) Marc |
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> please keep us posted, by all means. Okay, I've tried out the cellphone ("small") Green 8 near my computer at home. I find that this has a similarly "bad energy" as the larger "food" model, although not as strong. It's still surprisingly strong though, especially considering that this looks like a harmless small piece of clear plastic! I tried putting it about 5 feet away from me, then 10 feet away, and I could still sense the bad energy coming from it. As for how to describe it, that would be a bit difficult, but I guess if the Springlife polarizers attract "life force energy", I would say that the Green 8's attract "death force energy". :-) According to Green 8's marketing, they have 3 million of these things in use around the world. I find that hard to believe that this is so popular, especially considering how little there is about it on the web. Also, the Green 8's failed my "cat test". The cat test is simple -- if the cat's start peeing all around the house, that means the EMF protection device has no place in my house. In the 3 days since I've had these in the house, I've had to clean up 2 "accidents" (it's been months since I've had to clean up a previous accident) Marc |
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Dear marc,
As new to these EMF considerations, I have a question. It is known that EMF decreases rapidly with distance, there for if you stand next to a television or refegerator, stepping one step away would usually be enough to minimize EMF considerably. If not, then two steps, that's all. If you feel EMF five feet away, you must have a very strong EMF omission from somewhere, from a line outside the house perhaps, or a phone antenna. I got a monitor which I used to eliminate these factor when I chose where to live. If your house is not contaminated by any very large source of EMF, then the problem is really in close contact with smaller sources, the computer, the phone, television, etc. Then, either you should move a house, or this gadget actually increases the small omissions, if you feel it five feet away, Is this reasoning correct? HIllel ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: [hidden email] Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Green 8 Hillel Wahrman wrote: > please keep us posted, by all means. Okay, I've tried out the cellphone ("small") Green 8 near my computer at home. I find that this has a similarly "bad energy" as the larger "food" model, although not as strong. It's still surprisingly strong though, especially considering that this looks like a harmless small piece of clear plastic! I tried putting it about 5 feet away from me, then 10 feet away, and I could still sense the bad energy coming from it. As for how to describe it, that would be a bit difficult, but I guess if the Springlife polarizers attract "life force energy", I would say that the Green 8's attract "death force energy". :-) According to Green 8's marketing, they have 3 million of these things in use around the world. I find that hard to believe that this is so popular, especially considering how little there is about it on the web. Also, the Green 8's failed my "cat test". The cat test is simple -- if the cat's start peeing all around the house, that means the EMF protection device has no place in my house. In the 3 days since I've had these in the house, I've had to clean up 2 "accidents" (it's been months since I've had to clean up a previous accident) Marc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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>Then, either you should move a house, or this gadget actually
>increases the small omissions, if you feel it five feet away, I don't think the Green 8 is amplifying any other EMF sources -- it is simply putting out its own energy which my body doesn't like. If I take it away, then I no longer feel bad. And I think you are underestimating how far away people can sense EMF fields. 3 years ago, I remember feeling bad 15 feet away from TV set. This was not from any outside fields, it was the TV set itself. Now, the TV set doesn't bother me at all. Marc |
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My sensor cannot detect EMF 15 feet away from the TV set. Maybe its not a good one.
----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Green 8 >Then, either you should move a house, or this gadget actually >increases the small omissions, if you feel it five feet away, I don't think the Green 8 is amplifying any other EMF sources -- it is simply putting out its own energy which my body doesn't like. If I take it away, then I no longer feel bad. And I think you are underestimating how far away people can sense EMF fields. 3 years ago, I remember feeling bad 15 feet away from TV set. This was not from any outside fields, it was the TV set itself. Now, the TV set doesn't bother me at all. Marc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Marc,
You must have been in a bad state back then. I recall now feeling the television too from a distance, I don't anymore, and it is easy to forget. Iwas so bad, I could not get out in the sun, and I forgot that too. My situation has improved since, but I still cannot talk on the cellular phone, and sometimes not from a regular home phone as well. Some days I cannot use the external keyboard attached to my laptop. There are ups and downs. It coincides with my allergies. When I am bad with EMF I also start sneezing, and there is a soap Ican't use. I am a bit jealous of you for recovering. I wish I could hear recovery stories here in the forum... people telling about what was it that got them better. I fear that whoever is back to full functioning will tend to go back to health land... Hillel ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Green 8 >Then, either you should move a house, or this gadget actually >increases the small omissions, if you feel it five feet away, I don't think the Green 8 is amplifying any other EMF sources -- it is simply putting out its own energy which my body doesn't like. If I take it away, then I no longer feel bad. And I think you are underestimating how far away people can sense EMF fields. 3 years ago, I remember feeling bad 15 feet away from TV set. This was not from any outside fields, it was the TV set itself. Now, the TV set doesn't bother me at all. Marc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Allow me to jump in... When I was at the height of my ES, I had to
unplug the TV even when it was not turned on because I would physically crash if I were anywhere in the room. It depends on a persons sensitivity at a particular time in recovery. Currently, I can watch TV, work at the computer for a couple of hours, etc and not be fatigued. Same person, different stage of the game. Andrew On Jan 24, 2005, at 1:25 AM, Hillel Wahrman wrote: > > Dear marc, > > As new to these EMF considerations, I have a question. It is known > that EMF decreases rapidly with distance, there for if you stand next > to a television or refegerator, stepping one step away would usually > be enough to minimize EMF considerably. If not, then two steps, that's > all. If you feel EMF five feet away, you must have a very strong EMF > omission from somewhere, from a line outside the house perhaps, or a > phone antenna. I got a monitor which I used to eliminate these factor > when I chose where to live. If your house is not contaminated by any > very large source of EMF, then the problem is really in close contact > with smaller sources, the computer, the phone, television, etc. Then, > either you should move a house, or this gadget actually increases the > small omissions, if you feel it five feet away, > > Is this reasoning correct? > > HIllel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marc Martin > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:43 PM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Green 8 > > > Hillel Wahrman wrote: >> please keep us posted, by all means. > > Okay, I've tried out the cellphone ("small") Green 8 near > my computer at home. I find that this has a similarly > "bad energy" as the larger "food" model, although not > as strong. It's still surprisingly strong though, especially > considering that this looks like a harmless small > piece of clear plastic! I tried putting it about > 5 feet away from me, then 10 feet away, and I could > still sense the bad energy coming from it. As for how > to describe it, that would be a bit difficult, but > I guess if the Springlife polarizers attract "life > force energy", I would say that the Green 8's attract > "death force energy". :-) > > According to Green 8's marketing, they have 3 million > of these things in use around the world. I find that > hard to believe that this is so popular, especially > considering how little there is about it on the web. > > Also, the Green 8's failed my "cat test". The cat > test is simple -- if the cat's start peeing all > around the house, that means the EMF protection > device has no place in my house. In the 3 days > since I've had these in the house, I've had to > clean up 2 "accidents" (it's been months since > I've had to clean up a previous accident) > > Marc > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [hidden email] > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > |
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TV sets radiate like secondary antennas.
Unplugged they can emit between 5 kHz and 150 kHz, as fas as I can measure. So, it is not astounding that electrosensibles may experience troubles. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew McAfee" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 14:57 Subject: [eSens] EMF considerations > > Allow me to jump in... When I was at the height of my ES, I had to > unplug the TV even when it was not turned on because I would physically > crash if I were anywhere in the room. It depends on a persons > sensitivity at a particular time in recovery. > Currently, I can watch TV, work at the computer for a couple of hours, > etc and not be fatigued. Same person, different stage of the game. > Andrew > On Jan 24, 2005, at 1:25 AM, Hillel Wahrman wrote: > > > > > Dear marc, > > > > As new to these EMF considerations, I have a question. It is known > > that EMF decreases rapidly with distance, there for if you stand next > > to a television or refegerator, stepping one step away would usually > > be enough to minimize EMF considerably. If not, then two steps, that's > > all. If you feel EMF five feet away, you must have a very strong EMF > > omission from somewhere, from a line outside the house perhaps, or a > > phone antenna. I got a monitor which I used to eliminate these factor > > when I chose where to live. If your house is not contaminated by any > > very large source of EMF, then the problem is really in close contact > > with smaller sources, the computer, the phone, television, etc. Then, > > either you should move a house, or this gadget actually increases the > > small omissions, if you feel it five feet away, > > > > Is this reasoning correct? > > > > HIllel > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Marc Martin > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Green 8 > > > > > > Hillel Wahrman wrote: > >> please keep us posted, by all means. > > > > Okay, I've tried out the cellphone ("small") Green 8 near > > my computer at home. I find that this has a similarly > > "bad energy" as the larger "food" model, although not > > as strong. It's still surprisingly strong though, especially > > considering that this looks like a harmless small > > piece of clear plastic! I tried putting it about > > 5 feet away from me, then 10 feet away, and I could > > still sense the bad energy coming from it. As for how > > to describe it, that would be a bit difficult, but > > I guess if the Springlife polarizers attract "life > > force energy", I would say that the Green 8's attract > > "death force energy". :-) > > > > According to Green 8's marketing, they have 3 million > > of these things in use around the world. I find that > > hard to believe that this is so popular, especially > > considering how little there is about it on the web. > > > > Also, the Green 8's failed my "cat test". The cat > > test is simple -- if the cat's start peeing all > > around the house, that means the EMF protection > > device has no place in my house. In the 3 days > > since I've had these in the house, I've had to > > clean up 2 "accidents" (it's been months since > > I've had to clean up a previous accident) > > > > Marc > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------- > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [hidden email] > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > |
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>I don't anymore, and it is easy to forget. I was so bad,
>I could not get out in the sun Yes, I could not spend any time in sun 4 years ago, but these days I have no problem in the sun. I verified this last month when I was in Hawaii, and spent hours on the beach without any problems. >I wish I could hear recovery stories here in the forum... >people telling about what was it that got them better. You might find some stories in the message archives. For example, I gave a summary of what helped me in message#16: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/16 Marc |
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Hillel Wahrman wrote:
> My sensor cannot detect EMF 15 feet away from the TV set. Maybe its not a good one. A standard EMF detector usually does not correspond to what people are sensitive to, because the detectors usually are looking for 50/60 hz fields (or somewhere in around there), while people may be reacting to fields in the kiloherz, megahertz, or gigahertz range. I remember not being able to stand being near my old LCD monitor, even though the meter read "0.0" from the same distance. Marc |
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There are meters and meters.
For low frequency electrical fields. For low frequency magnetic fields. Or combined in one. For high frequency electromagnetic fields. For static electrical fields. For static magnetic fields. TVs radiate in the lower part of the high frequency spectrum. Many HF meters start measuring at a higher frequency. Look at http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina112.html and further on. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 16:47 Subject: Re: [eSens] Green 8 > > Hillel Wahrman wrote: > > My sensor cannot detect EMF 15 feet away from the TV set. Maybe its not a good one. > > A standard EMF detector usually does not correspond to what > people are sensitive to, because the detectors usually > are looking for 50/60 hz fields (or somewhere in around > there), while people may be reacting to fields in the > kiloherz, megahertz, or gigahertz range. I remember > not being able to stand being near my old LCD monitor, > even though the meter read "0.0" from the same distance. > > Marc > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > |
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They also emit a very wide range of frequencies - including X-rays
apparently. Sarah -----Original Message----- From: stichting milieuziektes [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Tuesday, 25 January 2005 1:10 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF considerations TV sets radiate like secondary antennas. Unplugged they can emit between 5 kHz and 150 kHz, as fas as I can measure. So, it is not astounding that electrosensibles may experience troubles. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew McAfee" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 14:57 Subject: [eSens] EMF considerations > > Allow me to jump in... When I was at the height of my ES, I had to > unplug the TV even when it was not turned on because I would > physically crash if I were anywhere in the room. It depends on a > persons sensitivity at a particular time in recovery. Currently, I can > watch TV, work at the computer for a couple of hours, etc and not be > fatigued. Same person, different stage of the game. Andrew > On Jan 24, 2005, at 1:25 AM, Hillel Wahrman wrote: > > > > > Dear marc, > > > > As new to these EMF considerations, I have a question. It is known > > that EMF decreases rapidly with distance, there for if you stand > > next to a television or refegerator, stepping one step away would > > usually be enough to minimize EMF considerably. If not, then two > > steps, that's all. If you feel EMF five feet away, you must have a > > very strong EMF omission from somewhere, from a line outside the > > house perhaps, or a phone antenna. I got a monitor which I used to > > eliminate these factor when I chose where to live. If your house is > > not contaminated by any very large source of EMF, then the problem > > is really in close contact with smaller sources, the computer, the > > phone, television, etc. Then, either you should move a house, or > > this gadget actually increases the small omissions, if you feel it > > five feet away, > > > > Is this reasoning correct? > > > > HIllel > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Marc Martin > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Green 8 > > > > > > Hillel Wahrman wrote: > >> please keep us posted, by all means. > > > > Okay, I've tried out the cellphone ("small") Green 8 near > > my computer at home. I find that this has a similarly > > "bad energy" as the larger "food" model, although not > > as strong. It's still surprisingly strong though, especially > > considering that this looks like a harmless small > > piece of clear plastic! I tried putting it about > > 5 feet away from me, then 10 feet away, and I could > > still sense the bad energy coming from it. As for how > > to describe it, that would be a bit difficult, but > > I guess if the Springlife polarizers attract "life > > force energy", I would say that the Green 8's attract > > "death force energy". :-) > > > > According to Green 8's marketing, they have 3 million > > of these things in use around the world. I find that > > hard to believe that this is so popular, especially > > considering how little there is about it on the web. > > > > Also, the Green 8's failed my "cat test". The cat > > test is simple -- if the cat's start peeing all > > around the house, that means the EMF protection > > device has no place in my house. In the 3 days > > since I've had these in the house, I've had to > > clean up 2 "accidents" (it's been months since > > I've had to clean up a previous accident) > > > > Marc > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- > > ------- > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [hidden email] > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links |
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