Quantum - New Question

Most interested in your amazing stories of healing, or achieving tolerance levels re ems.  I have a  "Light Force LFT9000" I bought from the Merlin Project I heard about on the radio a couple of years ago. It is designed to heal, and I had a cat with severe lacerations I wanted help with.  Don't know if it healed the cat, but she did recover.  

I don't know what it does, it doesn't give frequency measurements, just high, medium, low, and EPS Routine. It says it is "Light For Therapy" and the website is www.lightfortherapy.com.  

Does anyone know if this is the sort of "light" that you folks are discussing?  

Marji

    I have phoned and left a message on their phone  - hopefully they will phone me back, I can't tell how that device works from the pictures and the information they have there.


 It looks as if the device uses infrared and/or red laser or LED diodes but it does not say what the frequencies are that it uses. It looks like a cluster of infrared and/or red diodes on a handheld device. But it also looks as it there is a mechanical part to the whole thing == this could be because it can use more then one frequency and/or if the device pulsates. Do you know if the light pulsates or can you tell? One can not see the light from infrared diodes with the human eye -- can you see the colour of the light that is emitted?

         blessings
                  Shan

--- In [hidden email], "Marjij" <marjij@...> wrote:
>
> Most interested in your amazing stories of healing, or achieving tolerance levels re ems.  I have a  "Light Force LFT9000" I bought from the Merlin Project I heard about on the radio a couple of years ago. It is designed to heal, and I had a cat with severe lacerations I wanted help with.  Don't know if it healed the cat, but she did recover.  
>
> I don't know what it does, it doesn't give frequency measurements, just high, medium, low, and EPS Routine. It says it is "Light For Therapy" and the website is www.lightfortherapy.com.  
>
> Does anyone know if this is the sort of "light" that you folks are discussing?  
>
> Marji
>

Shan, now that you've established that waving around
a laser beam in a room seems to reduce your ES symptoms,
I have another question/experiment for you to try.

What happens if you wave the laser beam around on
a piece of electronics that causes you ES symptoms?
For example, a computer monitor.  If you shine
the laser beam all around the front, back, and sides,
does that then reduce your symptoms when using it
that piece of electronics?  And if so, does that
reduction continue to last more than an hour?  A day?  
Forever?

Just curious,

Marc

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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Marc Martin
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 8:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Lasers


  Shan, now that you've established that waving around
  a laser beam in a room seems to reduce your ES symptoms,
  I have another question/experiment for you to try.

  What happens if you wave the laser beam around on
  a piece of electronics that causes you ES symptoms?
  For example, a computer monitor.  If you shine
  the laser beam all around the front, back, and sides,
  does that then reduce your symptoms when using it
  that piece of electronics?  And if so, does that
  reduction continue to last more than an hour?  A day?  
  Forever?

  Just curious,

  Marc



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     Is this what you got Marji?  http://www.lft9000.com/store/  Is this what it looks like?
http://lightforcetherapy-lft9000.blogspot.ca/

    I was just talking to somebody called Kevin Sulivan  http://www.lightforcetherapy.co/ about this product. They have ones that start about $64 to $88.00 and up to a thousand dollars. From what he said they use red LED diodes [these are similar to laser diodes and heal the same way but will not be helpful for waving around a room. ] They use red and infrared LED diodes -- the infrared is particularly good for getting rid of pain and will do it faster then a red laser. But the infrared frequencies can and do burn if not used correctly -- especially if left on too long so personally I would not mess around/experiment  with it too much.  So if you are going to use infrared you need to follow directions and don't use on the eyes --- at least I would not use it on my eyes as I think it is unnecessarily dangerous - there are frequencies that will and do heal eyes that are not dangerous though they may take a little longer then the infrared.

    But yes you can use your device for yourself as well as your cat. You should have received directions when you bought it - until you have used it enough to be  feel comfortable with it just stick to what they tell you to do.....  You can also use your device to get rid of inflammation and healing - which is a very important thing these days.
   The person I talked to said he would email  me a large phamplet about the device -  will let you know when I receive it and have read it for if it contains info that you don't have I will send it to you.

       Healing lasers [including LED lasers] are amazing things in my perception and can be very very helpful - they are not toys however,  but they are not as dangerous as some would have you believe either.

          blessings
             Shan

--- In [hidden email], "Marjij" <marjij@...> wrote:
>
> Most interested in your amazing stories of healing, or achieving tolerance levels re ems.  I have a  "Light Force LFT9000" I bought from the Merlin Project I heard about on the radio a couple of years ago. It is designed to heal, and I had a cat with severe lacerations I wanted help with.  Don't know if it healed the cat, but she did recover.  
>
> I don't know what it does, it doesn't give frequency measurements, just high, medium, low, and EPS Routine. It says it is "Light For Therapy" and the website is www.lightfortherapy.com.  
>
> Does anyone know if this is the sort of "light" that you folks are discussing?  
>
> Marji
>

    I have been trying that on my fridge -- the electromagnetic field  has become a problem. I also get headaches from my stereo now too.
       I am not sure if  it is effecting my fridge - I think it seems to be; as least this morning when the fridge came on it did not bother me as much. The floor still moves but not nearly as strongly -- but I am not positive yet and want to try it a few times over the next few days to make use I am not imagining things or it was not just a coincidence....

    Will laser light harm my stereo? or CD/DVDs? I don't understand much about physics etc.  I have been concentrating more on trying to recover some of the instincts and 'feelings' that humans have lost the last thousand or more years.......Too often I find information is just not reliable in my opinion -- at least the information we are  told about and taught in schools etc, even some info that is just made available to us.

   I will get back to you about this -- I don't want to jump to conclusions....

             blessings
                 Shan

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

> Will laser light harm my stereo? or CD/DVDs?

A 5mw laser should not harm those.

What I think you're doing by shining a laser on items
is "restructuring" them at a subatomic level... making
them more "coherent" (as defined by quantum physics),
and as a result they can be less bothersome to
sensitive people.  But changing something at a subatomic
level is not going to break anything.

That web page that talked about treating things with
lasers was implying that the treatment is permanent...

Marc

I don't understand much about physics etc.  I have been concentrating more on trying to recover some of the instincts and 'feelings' that humans have lost the last thousand or more years.......Too often I find information is just not reliable in my opinion -- at least the information we are  told about and taught in schools etc, even some info that is just made available to us.

That makes sense.
  I just remember hearing something about something being able to wipe all the information off of hard drives and CDs and DVDs,credit cards, etc. I can't remember what it was exactly but the engineer who set up my Doug Coil machine mentioned it -- I was excited about finally getting the Doug Coil machine and being able to get rid of Ly;me Disease.
           blessings
                    Shan

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

   It depends on what you consider permanent. If you break a leg and then you get it looked after and set etc -- when it heals it is permanent --at least  until you break it again..
    Same with the lasers - pain is caused by inflammation - the body can and does get rid of inflammation but the next tine you get zapped by damaging frequencies this will cause more inflammation - the laser stimuulates the body to heal itself -- the body gets rid of, or cures the inflammation , that is all. Your body tries to heal damage it gets,but it uses the resources in your body -- it there are not enough resources then it cannot heal itself. Or if there is so much damage that the body become overwhelmed then the body does not speed up the healing .. it can only do what it is 'programmed' to  do.  So that is why we use lasers to stimulate the body to do more healing....

            blessing
                 Shan
If you stimulate the body too much at a time. you will feel very very tired because it is your body that is doing all that work of healing itself.. It is very important that you make sure your body gets enough rest so it can heal itself and gets the nutrients it needs...

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

>
>      Is this what you got Marji?  
>
>     I was just talking to somebody called Kevin Sulivan  http://www.lightforcetherapy.co/ about this product. They have ones that start about $64 to $88.00 and up to a thousand dollars. From what he said they use red LED diodes [these are similar to laser diodes and heal the same way but will not be helpful for waving around a room. ] They use red and infrared LED diodes -- the infrared is particularly good for getting rid of pain and will do it faster then a red laser. But the infrared frequencies can and do burn if not used correctly -- especially if left on too long so personally I would not mess around/experiment  with it too much.  So if you are going to use infrared you need to follow directions and don't use on the eyes --- at least I would not use it on my eyes as I think it is unnecessarily dangerous - there are frequencies that will and do heal eyes that are not dangerous though they may take a little longer then the infrared.
>
 
           blessings
              Shan
 

Thank you Shan, for your helpful interest and information.  The one I got is the same one in the link you sent (above) and when you talked to Kevin Sullivan.  Yes, they sent me some information with the item but I don't understand it.  All these things scare me.

As long as it can't be used for waving around the room, as you folks are discussing, and getting rid of em fields, that's mostly what I wanted to know. I am skittish about using these electronic things when I am totally in the dark about what they do or how they really work.  

If they do send you some information and you understand what it says, would you just let me know what you think?  I don't need the literature myself, like I said, I don't understand it and wouldn't recognize a caution signal if I saw one.  But your interpretation and assurances would help a lot.  

I don't have any ailments to heal right now, so I don't need to use it. I am concerned now with the em fields that invade my space here in San Diego.  I want to buy a detector to see where it is coming from and where to sleep, but I don't know which one to buy.  See?  I am totally uninformed.  I got rid of my smart meter, but all my neighbors have theirs, so I'm stuck in the middle.  

I'll just keep reading what you folks write on this web site and try to pick up help from you all.  Thank you for your kind help... I hope your problems with this horror are able to be minimized.  

Marji

      Marji
 If you just want a laser to wave in the air, you can get cheap red lasers at Amazon -- the cheapest ones will not have an on/off button and no warranty..

      This is a good red laser which is on sale & it has a 2 yr warranty and an on/off button -- plus if you ever want to use it for pain or speed up healing of any wounds, etc this one would be effective.
Red Laser - 635nm and 5mw power output
sale 38.00 --  2yr warranty; on/off button.
http://shop.z-bolt.com/635nm-Red-Laser-Pointers--Constant-OnOff-Switch-Function_p_206.html?gdftrk=gdfV25268_a_7c1640_a_7c6346_a_7cBTE_d_4SE

   Whatever red laser you get, you need a wavelength or frequency of 635nm and 5mw power output....

       blessings
            Shan
 
--- In [hidden email], "Marjij" <marjij@...> wrote:

  Here are  2 cheaper ones at 635nm and 5mw power output

Red laser
$27.99  - 90 day warranty -- no on/of button
http://www.amazon.com/AtlasNova-635nm-Red-Laser-Pointer/dp/B0002K6GI8/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1343830904&sr=1-3&keywords=635nm++lasers+5mw

Red laser -- 635nm frequency  & 5mw power output
$27.00
no warranty and no on/off button
http://www.amazon.com/Classic-Red-Laser-Pointer-Silver/dp/B001Q9CWDM/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1343831076&sr=1-6&keywords=635nm++lasers+5mw

--- In [hidden email], "Marjij" <marjij@...> wrote:

Shan,

I would like to learn more about the use and effects of lasers.  You previously posted that if anyone wanted more info to let you know. I am interested in why the 635 nm laser is the best wavelength.  What can I get my hands on to read on this subject?

Thanks for your help!

Jim

> I am interested in why the 635 nm laser is the best wavelength.

I don't think we have enough information on which wavelength
would be the best for treating a room with a laser, or if the
wavelength matters at all.  I think Dr. Klinghardt uses green lasers
for room treatment, and green lasers use a different wavelength.

Marc

    Hello Jim - sorry for taking so long to reply.

    I do not think that Marc would be thrilled if many of the posts for this group became about lasers and in any case this group is a good one about ES and is needed. - so I suggest that you also join a new group about Lasers and LEDs which I post to  http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HealingLEDLight/ 

At the moment I am putting stuff in the Files and Links of that group and probably a  good way to start to learn about lasers is to read what is in the Files so far as well as ask whatever pops into your head........
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HealingLEDLight/files/    -- if you join  the group check out what is in the Files at this url http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HealingLEDLight/files/

    I am not the owner of this group, though I do know the owner.....

   Healing Lasers  is actually a fairly big subject as I have come to learn -- it has taken me several months to learn as much as I now know but there is still a lot to learn. Besides learning what lasers can do and how, then one focuses on learning more about one or two of many ways that healing lasers are used -- once one feels they know enough to practice then the practise stage begins.......in my opinion, nothing can replace actually practicing and doing things with the laser and after getting basic knowledge is the best way to learn know what one wants to use healing lasers for...........[ "low level" or "cold" of "healing" lasers are safe and there are few safety rules --but more on that later.

  Right now I have learned and put into practice how to get rid of inflammation, pain, swelling [Edema] and infections and healing many types of wounds - and am refreshing my knowledge about how to use lasers to minimize and get totally get rid of allergies and sensitivities [ I don't know 100% if the lasers will get rid of sensitivities to frequencies, though I do know a few health practitioners whom say they have used lasers to treat sensitivities successfully - I will be  checking this out more deeply plus practicing to see if it works for me in the next couple of months. But I do have a friend whom has had many NAET treatments over the years which have been successful and swears by NAET - lasers work with allergies and sensitivities is a very similar way. ]

   However laser work is connected to other alternative protocols too, some of which one will also need to get a small or "working" knowledge of such as Color therapy. Colors all have frequencies - and  the healing frequencies are various colors. Color effects different parts of the body and/or different healing methods of the body -- I am not explaining this very well --I have recently started to learn about colors and how they effect our body and  healing and can give you helpful articles but am not familiar with it enough to be able to explain it well......... Sound is closely connected to several healing methods also and can  enhance healing from lasers so have also started learning about that too.....

   After you have learned how healing lasers work and how they can be  used to heal, then whatever else  you need to learn would depend on what your goals relating to lasers are ...........

           blessings
              Shan

--- In [hidden email], "sradv777" <j777@...> wrote:
>
> Shan,
>
> I would like to learn more about the use and effects of lasers.  You previously posted that if anyone wanted more info to let you know. I am interested in why the 635 nm laser is the best wavelength.  What can I get my hands on to read on this subject?
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Jim
>

Shan,

Thanks for your reply!  I have been added to the Laser/LED forum.


Jim

--- In [hidden email], "bestsurprise2" <surpriseshan2@...> wrote:

Thanks for your info!  This is a new topic for me, but maybe something is there for ES.  I'm at least going to explore it.  If it's helpful for me, I'll post about it in case someone is interested.

Jim

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

      For healing 635nm is considered the best wavelength or frequency because 635nm  is the "frequency of a healthy living cell" - there are other beneficial frequencies in the same spectrum as 635nm such as 660 however they are not as effective as 635nm at killing bacteria for example, and since the result of the laser beaming on a damaged cell is to actually change the frequency of the damaged cell to the frequency of a health living cell, in my opinion this makes 635nm the best frequency to heal many different types of cell damage as well as organ imbalance,etc.

excerpts from - White Paper!!!
http://lazrpulsr.com/pdf/White_Paper_3_3_05.pdf
Why Use 635nm Light?
Light is measured in wavelengths called nanometers (nm). One nanometer is one billionth of a meter. This can be represented by scientific notation as 10-9 meters or .000000001 meter = 1nm. The wavelength of visible light falls between 380nm to 760nm. Higher wavelengths are in the infrared realm where most heat is carried. The lower wavelengths, less than 380nm such as ultraviolet and x-rays are where most organic damage can occur.

With today's technology a laser diode can be manufactured with almost any wavelength. What is the best wavelength of light to use? As evident in the following chart, the lower infrared wavelengths between 800nm to 1000nm, have the least absorption rate frequency by the skin. This allows for deeper penetration of light but it is less-absorbable and does not stimulate the physiology of the body as well as the visible red, 635nm wavelengths. Even though the 635nm wavelength has less body penetration it still has been found to stimulate proper oxygenation, detoxification of the cell, DNA replication, and regeneration of damaged nerve tissue more efficiently than other wavelengths. This is especially true in the study presented at The 2nd Congress of The World Assoc. for Laser Therapy. This study demonstrated the systemic healing effect of LLLT where low doses 635-nm wavelength laser therapy were the primary stimulus in those studies. And due to the higher physiological responses, the LazrPulsr 4X utilizes much less power with the same or greater response as infrared therapy units. To date, no research demonstrates any negative properties from low-level 635nm wavelength lasers.

Power or Amplitude of Light
The brightness of light is measured in Watts of power. If you have a 100-Watt light bulb
it will produce a brighter, hotter light than a 50-Watt light bulb. The brightness and heat of lasers are also measured in watts, however, low-level lasers are far below 1 Watt therefore measured in Milliwatts (mW) of power. One mW is 1/1000 Watt.  LLLT is sometimes referred to as cold laser, which means that the level of energy will not significantly raise the temperature of the skin or internal tissues when exposed to the light, no matter how long the exposure period. Their power is important since it has been discovered that raising the temperature in the tissue can have many adverse effects on the healing process. The class IIIa laser is considered a Low Level or cold laser and must be under 5mW in power. This is in contrast to what most people relate a laser to be which is a hot laser commonly used in medical practice for cauterizing, cutting, and burning tissue. These lasers usually start at 1,000mW or 1 Watt and higher.

The number of watts determines the amount of energy the laser produces in any given time frame. This unit of measure is referred to as Joules of energy. Many higher power infra red lasers and LED arrays base their therapy protocols on the Joules of energy
produced. However, Joules of energy produced does not appear to have the same importance when it comes to low level pulsed visible red laser light. Many times the desired physiological effect is obtained within a few seconds of exposure and any additional exposure can cause over stimulation of the tissue. So even though logic would dictate that the more energy the better the therapy, how the body responds to the energy is the final factor for determining the best therapy session.

Overall the 635nm wavelength lasers at about 5mW of power have shown to be the safest and still possess the greatest impact on the widest array of tissue
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   Since one is not healing damaged biological cells when one waves a laser around a room it may not matter what color nor wavelength or frequency is used ------- to a point. only however.
    One usually would like to be able to see the light/beam emitted by the laser --- however this depends on what color/wavelength/frequency is used.

  The easiest color to see is emerald green with a frequency of  532nm as this frequency is much brighter then the other frequencies colors used in healing lasers.  This is why most of those needing a 'pointer' to point out things in a lecture, meeting, etc usually use a green laser. Red is not as bright as as an emerald green but can still be seen easily.

   I have been told that blue is not a good color to get if one needs to be able to see the beam emitted by the laser as it is hard for the human eye to see in daylight but can be seen better at night -- this is also true for violets.

   It does matter very much what color is used to heal however - the frequency/wavelength  that works best for different functions of healing is also a different color. Color effects/enhances healing and each color has a frequency. And healing lasers use frequencies that are different colors -- just for your information, not only do frequencies have colors, they also have sounds. so just like color is used to enhance healing with lasers, so too sounds can be used to enhance healing.

Coloured LEDS - Therapeutic Actions
CHART - Yellow, Orange; Red & Infrared; Blue; Royal Blue; Green ---how each of these colours effect the body
http://healingtools.tripod.com/CLA.html

COLORED LEDS - THERAPEUTIC APPLICATIONS
CHART - Lists various colours with the frequency for each one, and the health disorder/condition they treat
http://healingtools.tripod.com/CLT.html

COLORED LEDS - THERAPEUTIC EFFECTS
Colour; the Frequency of each colour; biological & therapeutic Effects of each colour & frequency
http://healingtools.tripod.com/CLE.html

Some Facts and Research on Using Color and Light for Healing
Dr Dietrich Klinghardt, MD, PhD
http://andreannarainville.com/pdf/syntonic.pdf

             blessings
                Shan


--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

  Marc,  it is definite - waving the laser around the kitchen, as well as the fridge - over the fridge, behind the fridge, above the fridge - and the floor and now the fridge does not seem to make nearly as much noise nor does it seem to make the floor vibrate nearly as much. This took several days of waving the laser around/over the fridge etc however - I don't know if it took so long because the kitchen has high levels of RF Microwave Radiation from both cell towers and smart meters as well as high electromagnetic fields. However now if I wave the laser around the kitchen and fridge it also seems to have more of an effect then it did in the beginning.
   So I tried waving the laser around the furnace and no effects at all - then the last few days each day I waved it around the furnace anyhow and last night the furnace did not seem to make as much noise plus my bedroom floor did not seem to be vibrating nearly as much -  I may be imaging this so I will be keeping an eye out the next few days too.

   I used to get headaches from my stereo -- this has not happened for a week or more now, Several times I have waved the laser around the room the stereo is in. including waving the laser actually over the stereo.

       But at this point I am most interested in seeing if the laser waving around will make a big difference to the furnace. plus continue to diminish the effects of the fridge.

            blessings
                  Shan

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

On August 12, bestsurprise2 <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Marc,  it is definite - waving the laser around the kitchen,
> as well as the fridge - over the fridge, behind the fridge, above the
> fridge - and the floor and now the fridge does not seem to make
> nearly as much noise nor does it seem to make the floor vibrate
> nearly as much.

Well, that's very interesting, thanks!  So a laser could be a cheap
alternative to the more expensive EMF protection devices on the
market...

Marc