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Gruendg

Quantum Home results

Hallo Marc,

On 22.9.04 You wrote
"As far as I understand it, the Quantum devices radiate a signal
with a certain radius -- with the Quantum Home, I think it's
about 20 feet. Anything within that radius becomes "coherent".
And in the case of electrical wiring, it may even travel further
than that, because the effect spreads along the wiring."

To have a certain radius, a EMF device does not have to emit any radiation.
It is a question of resonance. I know this phenomenon from BioProtect, which
has a different radius for different kinds of EMF. In Bioprotect there is
contained a spiral like geometric structure, that is responsible for this radius.
And this radius depends amongst other factors on the number of circles the
spiral has. It is similar to an electric circuit whose resonance depends onits
inductivity and capacity. I also found that the effect of BioProtect for the
normal 50 Hz current has a range of about 40 cm in air ( for the microwaves of a
mobile phone 15 m), but through the wiring reaches at least 50 m even
backwards.

This makes it understandable, why certain people benefit from a certain
EMF-device and others not. The frequencies to which these people are sensitive may
be different from the frequencies where the EMF device it most effective.

Dietrich Gruen

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randolf_everywhere

Re: Quantum Home results

bbin37

Re: Quantum Home results

--- In [hidden email], "randolf_everywhere" <Thats@M...> wrote:

> >
> > This makes it understandable, why certain people benefit from a
> certain
> > EMF-device and others not. The frequencies to which these people
> are sensitive may
> > be different from the frequencies where the EMF device it most
> effective.
> >
> > Dietrich Gruen
> >
>
> Hello,
>
> is it possible to find out exactly the frequencies to which you are
> sensible?
>
>

Hi Randolf,

I know of one clinic in North America that does this kind of testing,
the Environmental Health Center - Dallas, Texas. The lead physician
at the clinic is Dr. William J. Rea, MD. (www.ehcd.com) I have
visited this clinic and had testing done on which frequencies of EMR I
am sensitive to. They have an EM shielded room where someone can be
placed and then exposed to a range of EM frequencies while various
vital signs are monitored for the person's physiological response. To
my knowledge, they only publicly state they test for sensitivity to
standard, transverse EM waves. If longitudinal EM waves are emanated
during the test, too, then the physiological responses measured for a
specific frequency of transverse EM waves might presumably actually be
composed partially (or totally?) of response to the longitudinal
components.

I think that the Breakspear Hospital in England also performs this
kind of testing under the direction of Dr. Jean Munro.

Dietrich, can you perform something analogous with electroacupuncture?

Beau

Charles-3

Re: Quantum Home results

In reply to this post by randolf_everywhere

Hello,

it is possible to use a normal frequency generator.
The test person needs to hold an electrode, and one can give certain
frequencies to this person.
The point is to figure out in waht way the pesron reacts to the frequencies.
One may use a lie-detector or electroacupunture or similar or a brainwave
machine.

For frequencies it is sufficient to go from 0.5 Hz to 1 mHz, because most
people react to the low-frequency modulations, not to the high frequency
carriers.
The german railways use 16.7 Hz, we have the AC 50 or 60 Hz, TETRA with 16.7
Hz, DECT phones 100 Hz, mobiles 1733 Hz and UMTS with 15.000 Hz. And all
kinds of *Oberwellen* in between.

Such a test may be very interesting, but every person may react very
differently.

When I was checking on my neighbour in the appartment below me, if he hadn't
bought a DECT phone, I fiund that at that monet he was using his normal
mobile.
Just the sounds of it, coming from my Endotronic Digitmeter, did jump my
wife from her chair.
Not the real signals, but the sound of the low frequency modulation did
this.

But of course, with a test like aforementioned, it is quite possible to find
out for which frequencies you are sensible to.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

----- Original Message -----
From: "randolf_everywhere" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 07:25
Subject: [eSens] Re: Quantum Home results

randolf_everywhere

Re: Quantum Home results

--- In [hidden email], "Charles" <charles@c...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> it is possible to use a normal frequency generator.
> The test person needs to hold an electrode, and one can give certain
> frequencies to this person.
> The point is to figure out in waht way the pesron reacts to the
frequencies.
> One may use a lie-detector or electroacupunture or similar or a
brainwave
> machine.
>
> For frequencies it is sufficient to go from 0.5 Hz to 1 mHz, because
most
> people react to the low-frequency modulations, not to the high
frequency
> carriers.
> The german railways use 16.7 Hz, we have the AC 50 or 60 Hz,
TETRA with 16.7
> Hz, DECT phones 100 Hz, mobiles 1733 Hz and UMTS with 15.000 Hz.
And all
> kinds of *Oberwellen* in between.
>
> Such a test may be very interesting, but every person may react very
> differently.
>
> When I was checking on my neighbour in the appartment below me, if
he hadn't
> bought a DECT phone, I fiund that at that monet he was using his
normal
> mobile.
> Just the sounds of it, coming from my Endotronic Digitmeter, did jump
my
> wife from her chair.
> Not the real signals, but the sound of the low frequency modulation did
> this.
>
> But of course, with a test like aforementioned, it is quite possible to
find
> out for which frequencies you are sensible to.

Hello, when you know to which frequencies you are sensitive you can
concentrate more to protect against these isn,t it.
It is also possible to get material (wallpapers for instance) which
protects against special frequencies or not?

Randolf

> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "randolf_everywhere" <Thats@M...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 07:25
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Quantum Home results
>
>
> > >
> > > This makes it understandable, why certain people benefit from a
> > certain
> > > EMF-device and others not. The frequencies to which these people
> > are sensitive may
> > > be different from the frequencies where the EMF device it most
> > effective.
> > >
> > > Dietrich Gruen
> > >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > is it possible to find out exactly the frequencies to which you are
> > sensible?
> >

Charles-3

Re: Quantum Home results

Hello Randalf,

you are right about that.
But.
A big BUT.

The occuring longitudinal waves play another role into this.

Next week I will have some discussions about that chapter with two
outstanding knowledgable professionals.

Longitudinal waves go right through all kinds of shielding.

My best measuring instrument told me she felt influences from the backside
of a satellite dish.
I could not measure anything, but after I dismantled the dish, the
influences were gone.
Probably they were a concentration of longitudinal waves.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

----- Original Message -----
From: "randolf_everywhere" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:39
Subject: [eSens] Re: Quantum Home results

>
> --- In [hidden email], "Charles" <charles@c...> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > it is possible to use a normal frequency generator.
> > The test person needs to hold an electrode, and one can give certain
> > frequencies to this person.
> > The point is to figure out in waht way the pesron reacts to the
> frequencies.
> > One may use a lie-detector or electroacupunture or similar or a
> brainwave
> > machine.
> >
> > For frequencies it is sufficient to go from 0.5 Hz to 1 mHz, because
> most
> > people react to the low-frequency modulations, not to the high
> frequency
> > carriers.
> > The german railways use 16.7 Hz, we have the AC 50 or 60 Hz,
> TETRA with 16.7
> > Hz, DECT phones 100 Hz, mobiles 1733 Hz and UMTS with 15.000 Hz.
> And all
> > kinds of *Oberwellen* in between.
> >
> > Such a test may be very interesting, but every person may react very
> > differently.
> >
> > When I was checking on my neighbour in the appartment below me, if
> he hadn't
> > bought a DECT phone, I fiund that at that monet he was using his
> normal
> > mobile.
> > Just the sounds of it, coming from my Endotronic Digitmeter, did jump
> my
> > wife from her chair.
> > Not the real signals, but the sound of the low frequency modulation did
> > this.
> >
> > But of course, with a test like aforementioned, it is quite possible to
> find
> > out for which frequencies you are sensible to.
>
>
>
> Hello, when you know to which frequencies you are sensitive you can
> concentrate more to protect against these isn,t it.
> It is also possible to get material (wallpapers for instance) which
> protects against special frequencies or not?
>
> Randolf
>
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton Antivirus
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "randolf_everywhere" <Thats@M...>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 07:25
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Quantum Home results
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > This makes it understandable, why certain people benefit from a
> > > certain
> > > > EMF-device and others not. The frequencies to which these people
> > > are sensitive may
> > > > be different from the frequencies where the EMF device it most
> > > effective.
> > > >
> > > > Dietrich Gruen
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > is it possible to find out exactly the frequencies to which you are
> > > sensible?
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
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Gruendg

Re: Quantum Home results

In reply to this post by Gruendg

>
> This makes it understandable, why certain people benefit from a
certain
> EMF-device and others not. The frequencies to which these people
are sensitive may
> be different from the frequencies where the EMF device it most
effective.
>
> Dietrich Gruen
>

Hello,

is it possible to find out exactly the frequencies to which you are
sensible?

Hallo, whosoever is behind [hidden email]

principally it would be possible to find these frequencies. As experience
shows, electrosensitive persons are not always sensitive to the same EMF. This
can change back an forth. If the EMF device is close enough to your body, or
close enough to the electric machine in consideration, it will neutralize avery
broad range of frequencies. So from a commercial viewpoint it would be niceto
have for each frequency an extra device to sell. My idea in developing
BioProtect was to have one tool that can be used almost universally. This could be
achieved by combining several different principles. So there is no need to find
out all this different frequencies, exept for scientific reasons.

Dietrich Grün

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David Fancy

Bioprotect

Hello Dietrich,

I have just translated the remaining portions of your site into English. It=
s looks very
comprehensive. I ahve just put in an order for a card and 2 pins and will s=
end the money
via my bank tomorrow.

Three questions for you, if you have a moment?
Do the bioprotect devices work help people deal with fluorescent lights?
I've downloaded the pdf file of your article. Do you happen to have that in=
English or
French translation?
Do you offer advice to other acupuncturists? Through this list perhaps? I'm=
going to get
my naturopath/acupunturist to join the list so she can know as much as poss=
ible. She's
beginning to feel that many of her other patient's complaints are attributa=
ble to ES. You
have to undertsand that we're much further behind in terms of awareness in =
Canada!

Best, and thanks for your site,

David Fancy

--- In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote:

> shows, electrosensitive persons are not always sensitive to the same EMF.=
This
> can change back an forth. If the EMF device is close enough to your body,=
or
> close enough to the electric machine in consideration, it will neutralize=
a very
> broad range of frequencies. So from a commercial viewpoint it would be ni=
ce to
> have for each frequency an extra device to sell. My idea in developing
> BioProtect was to have one tool that can be used almost universally. This=
could be
> achieved by combining several different principles. So there is no need t=
o find
> out all this different frequencies, exept for scientific reasons.
>
> Dietrich Grün
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Charles-3

Re: Bioprotect

Hello David,

you may look at my website www.milieuziektes.nl.

When you click on the english flag, you get at the english pages.

The work of dr. Gruen has been mentioned there also.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Fancy" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 02:24
Subject: [eSens] Bioprotect

Hello Dietrich,

I have just translated the remaining portions of your site into English. It=
s looks very
comprehensive. I ahve just put in an order for a card and 2 pins and will s=
end the money
via my bank tomorrow.

Three questions for you, if you have a moment?
Do the bioprotect devices work help people deal with fluorescent lights?
I've downloaded the pdf file of your article. Do you happen to have that in=
English or
French translation?
Do you offer advice to other acupuncturists? Through this list perhaps? I'm=
going to get
my naturopath/acupunturist to join the list so she can know as much as poss=
ible. She's
beginning to feel that many of her other patient's complaints are attributa=
ble to ES. You
have to undertsand that we're much further behind in terms of awareness in =
Canada!

Best, and thanks for your site,

David Fancy

--- In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote:

> shows, electrosensitive persons are not always sensitive to the same EMF.=

This
> can change back an forth. If the EMF device is close enough to your body,=
or
> close enough to the electric machine in consideration, it will neutralize=
a very
> broad range of frequencies. So from a commercial viewpoint it would be ni=
ce to
> have for each frequency an extra device to sell. My idea in developing
> BioProtect was to have one tool that can be used almost universally. This=
could be
> achieved by combining several different principles. So there is no need t=
o find
> out all this different frequencies, exept for scientific reasons.
>
> Dietrich Grün
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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