Protection devices

Also wondering about protection devices (seeing as I am not making any
progress re fixing the problems). Would wearing rubber shoes in the
house help?

I know everybody is different but is there any general consensus in
this group about things that work?

Also, I am thinking about getting a personal meter that shows what my
body is picking up.

I would help me understand why I feel uncomfortable, for instance,
under fans that are switched off and have no readings (my current
theory is that they either conduct electromagnetic energy towards me or
that it goes up through me and towards the fan).

How sensitive are these personal meters?

Thanks again for any advice you can give me.
Aline

> Also wondering about protection devices (seeing as I am not making any
> progress re fixing the problems).

Have you tried calling a local electrician?

I see that there is someone who sells EMF meters in Kihea:

http://www.maui.net/~emf/

They might be able to provide you some help, or point you to someone
on the island who might help.

As for rubber shoes, I'd say that this would probably just make
you worse, and cause shocks when you touch things.

Marc

Hi Marc,

Thanks for that link - I will see if this person knows of anyone.

I got the impression from Charles that most regular electricians
wouldn't have a clue but I guess it is likely that there an
enlightened one somewhere on this island.

Will call Alive & Well too.

I confess I feel overwhelmed and confused by this whole subject (and
can hardly function in the house).

Aline


--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

Also wondering about protection devices (seeing as I am not making
any progress re fixing the problems).

Have you tried calling a local electrician?

I see that there is someone who sells EMF meters in Kihea:

http://www.maui.net/~emf/

They might be able to provide you some help, or point you to someone
on the island who might help.

As for rubber shoes, I'd say that this would probably just make
you worse, and cause shocks when you touch things.

Marc

> I confess I feel overwhelmed and confused by this whole subject (and
> can hardly function in the house).

Well, it is a rather confusing subject, even to people who have
studied it for a while! As for a consensus in anything, we've
certainly seen several people claim complete recovery from their
sensitivity through detoxification, and perhaps more
specifically, heavy metal detoxification. However, one should
be careful when doing this, because there are certainly horror
stories from people attempting to do this who ended up worse.

Also, I don't think it makes much sense to be recommending
a lot of EMF protection devices if there is a solveable
electrical problem in your house. I can't remember -- have
you tried turning off the power at the fuse box and see
if this makes any difference in how you feel? If not, then
an electrician wouldn't be of much help.

And as I've said before, I've had good luck with a few EMF
protection devices that I've used in "bad" environments
that I don't have much control over. Quantum Products
in particular, but I also use Springlife Polarizers.
But I also know that these devices don't universally
help everyone with ES, so you are taking your chances.
You may even find that there is something helpful to you
that others have tried and found no improvement...

Marc

Hi Marc,

I feel fine when the power is off (we ruled out EMFs from the water
supply).

I really hear what you are saying re amalgam removal - going to make
sure it is done properly and take steps to detoxify afterwards also.

I don't know if and when we will sort out the hot spot problem.

My husband is still in denial about this problem because it sounds
like fixing the wiring would involve tearing out walls, ceilings,
flooring........ He built the house and we've had so many problems
already with subcontractors doing a shoddy job and having to tear
things out that this is just one problem too many for him to take on
at this point (he's also in the process of building another house - a
huge project).

Realistically I think it will be a long time before he is able to
tackle this problem so I am thinking about protection devices in the
meantime. I'll check out your suggestions - thanks.

I have always had problems with computers and it has got much worse
since living in this house so even if I do solve the hot spot problem
I still want to protect myself from the computer and the photocopier
at least.

Ugh

Aline

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I confess I feel overwhelmed and confused by this whole subject (and
can hardly function in the house).

I've got a screen filter for my computer monitor which has helped
quite a bit. I still have to limit the time I spend on it but I can
use it for longer. The filter blocks 99% of low frequency electric
fields and only cost about £15 here in the UK and it's made by
Kensington.


--- In [hidden email], "Aline" <haikuron@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> I feel fine when the power is off (we ruled out EMFs from the water
> supply).
>
> I really hear what you are saying re amalgam removal - going to
make
> sure it is done properly and take steps to detoxify afterwards also.
>
> I don't know if and when we will sort out the hot spot problem.
>
> My husband is still in denial about this problem because it sounds
> like fixing the wiring would involve tearing out walls, ceilings,
> flooring........ He built the house and we've had so many problems
> already with subcontractors doing a shoddy job and having to tear
> things out that this is just one problem too many for him to take
on
> at this point (he's also in the process of building another house -
a
> huge project).
>
> Realistically I think it will be a long time before he is able to
> tackle this problem so I am thinking about protection devices in
the
> meantime. I'll check out your suggestions - thanks.
>
> I have always had problems with computers and it has got much worse
> since living in this house so even if I do solve the hot spot
problem
> I still want to protect myself from the computer and the
photocopier
> at least.
>
> Ugh
>
> Aline
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
>
> I confess I feel overwhelmed and confused by this whole subject
(and

> I've got a screen filter for my computer monitor which has helped
> quite a bit. I still have to limit the time I spend on it but I can
> use it for longer. The filter blocks 99% of low frequency electric
> fields and only cost about £15 here in the UK and it's made by
> Kensington.

Do you have a product number for this filter?

Does it have a grounding wire?

Are you having success with it while using an LCD or a CRT monitor?

Thanks!

Marc
 

Here's one that's similar,

http://www.morecomputers.co.uk/extra.asp?pn=55648

but i don't think it's the same one. I have a CRT monitor. Yes, it has
a grounding wire which is attached by a clip to any one of the screws
on the back of the desktop case of my computer. The screen filter is
attached to the sides of the monitor by velcro stickers.

I'm fairly sure this is the site i got mine from, but they seem to have
a smaller range of Kensington ones than they did when I bought it. I
think anyone who wants to get one shouldjust look for one of any make
that says it has 99% protection from lectric fields or something close
to this.

I've wondered whether something like this but in a box design would be
a good thing for protecting from the electric field from the desktop
case/tower as well.




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The EMF is extreme again in my home and my TriField meter
records over the limit which the needle pushes against. I've
noted the large electrical/security van has been parked outside
my home for the past few days during which it's been high.

Can anyone suggest a way of protecting myself from it please.

My tininitus is bad and my face feels sunburned. It literally
makes my insides pop.

Maureen
UK





REPLY -

Maureen what do you sugesst the Security van is/was doing. Can you go and
ask ? Could you get close to the van and measure feilds, perhaps the van is a
red herring ?>>>Probably to late now. If there was a tel no on van etc you
could ring them anonymously.

I feel for you re the tinitus, its a private nightmare sometimes. Keep
thinking of ways round this, you will not be beaten and dont forget to add a
smile to the equation.

Paul UK





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> Here's one that's similar,
>
> http://www.morecomputers.co.uk/extra.asp?pn=55648
>
> but i don't think it's the same one. I have a CRT monitor. Yes, it has
> a grounding wire which is attached by a clip to any one of the screws
> on the back of the desktop case of my computer. The screen filter is
> attached to the sides of the monitor by velcro stickers.

Thanks for that info. That looks similar to a CRT screen filter that
I tried several years ago, but (at the time) didn't provide enough
benefit for me to keep using it.

Marc

HI Maureen,

I assume you are using the magnetic field scale?
There are several magnetic shielding materials available.
See http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html

Emil

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Hi Maureen,

Strictly speaking, it is true that one cannot "shield" magnetic fields. You cannot stop a magnetic field from
emitting from a source, travelling out in space and returning to the source. So called "magnetic shielding
materials" all work by redirecting the path of the magnetic field. The magnetic fields "travel better" through the
shielding material than through air (or just about any other material).

In this way, one can direct the field away from sensitive areas. You can enclose the area you want to protect with
shielding material, you can enclose the source, and sometimes you can simple place the shielding material in
beteween the two.

Magnetic shielding materials differ in the amount of magnetic field that they can "hold". Of course, they also
differ in weight, size, and composition. Making garments is tricky, because you are basically working with a metal
foil or plate.

Emil



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I forgot to add, something else that maybe you could try, for a face
shield at least, if you can find an old microwave and see if the
shielding in the door can be removed. Depending what all is coming at
you, it may relieve some of it.

~ Snoshoe

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Emil DeToffol" <lessemf@...>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] High Levels of EMF
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> > HI Maureen,
> >
> > I assume you are using the magnetic field scale?
> > There are several magnetic shielding materials available.
> > See http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html
> >
> > Emil
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "m.a.norman" <m.a.norman@...>
> > To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 7:31 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] High Levels of EMF
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> >
> > > The EMF is extreme again in my home and my TriField meter
> > > records over the limit which the needle pushes against. I've
> > > noted the large electrical/security van has been parked outside
> > > my home for the past few days during which it's been high.
> > >
> > > Can anyone suggest a way of protecting myself from it please.
> > >
> > > My tininitus is bad and my face feels sunburned. It literally
> > > makes my insides pop.
> > >
> > > Maureen
> > > UK
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