Proof that Geopathic Stress Harms

While we may draw connections (It's a web of stuff), I agree with Marc and Charles that we try to refrain from going too far to another side of the web.

Marc Martin wrote thus at 07:37 15/05/2012:

My point was, that one should not overreact to the geopathic stress.
Sure, they may have an influence.
But they can only be measured with dowsing, because its fields are so small.

Contrary, there are many dangerous DC fields in the house (mostly in beds), which can be easily measured with a compass or a magnetometer.
And often these dangerous fields are totally ignored.

Also ignored is the fact, that materials can store elektrosmog.
(I have found and measured that in praxis.)
Our body can transform elektrosmog, whether low- or highfrequencies, or magnetical fields, into small AC currents.
(We can measure that as body tension from 30mV up to 100.000mV)

Metal supporting beams, steel reinforcement bars in concrete, tubes and pipes (airco systems in walls) may become magnetic DC over time.
I have measured even certain stones may get satisfied after a few years, and reflect much more than they did before.

One and a half year ago, we had mattresses of PUR, which after a while started to *sink in*.
We could exchange them by a type with inner reinforcement.
I measured them intense, but no DC fields.
Now, one and a half year later my wife complained, that as soon as she was on the bed, she had troubles.
I measured 2.000nT with my magnetometer, which is twice what is allowed.
They are gone now, and replaced by mattresses of latex. No problems since.

My point is, that the influence of underground water beams is neglegible in comparison to the hard DC fields around us.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  From: Marc Martin
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Proof that Geopathic Stress Harms


  On May 14, pamela clemonts <[hidden email]> wrote:
  > I totally disagree. Electromagnetics and the effects upon sensitive people
  > is exactly what eSens suggests.
  >
  > Geopathic conditions have influenced my EHS just as MCS has influenced
  >  the EHS of others.

  I guess I should clarify that I was not objecting to a discussion of
  geopathic stress (maybe Charles was, but I was not).   However,
  a quick glance at the email in question reveals many other topics:

    -- Planet X
    -- Climate Change
    -- Ascension
    -- Pole Shift
    -- Cosmic Events
    -- Haunted Houses
    -- Astrology

  It is these things that I would say have very little to do with ES.

  Thanks,

  Marc


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All excellent points. And all have been covered here.
 I myself do not have metal in my bed  or bed frame.  No wiring is even hooked up to the mains in my sleeping areas, or room under, or surrounding walls.
I do actually have a magnetometer, which is not a common find, here, in the states. My house is wooden frame. Also can measure body voltage. Also do not
have electrical grounded to water pipes. System grounded at service entrance wall.
Right again, materials and people can store electro smog.
I guess what it comes down to is, are two factors:  how thorough we are.
And secondly, if one doesn't have any experience living in the path of geopathic stress, they really wouldn't know what it can do.
Fact is, I've addressed and ruled out all these other factors.
As you well know, much of this is process of elimination.
Lizzie

To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:49:29 +0200
Subject: Re: [eSens] Proof that Geopathic Stress Harms
















 



 


   
     
     
      My point was, that one should not overreact to the geopathic stress.

Sure, they may have an influence.

But they can only be measured with dowsing, because its fields are so small.



Contrary, there are many dangerous DC fields in the house (mostly in beds), which can be easily measured with a compass or a magnetometer.

And often these dangerous fields are totally ignored.



Also ignored is the fact, that materials can store elektrosmog.

(I have found and measured that in praxis.)

Our body can transform elektrosmog, whether low- or highfrequencies, or magnetical fields, into small AC currents.

(We can measure that as body tension from 30mV up to 100.000mV)



Metal supporting beams, steel reinforcement bars in concrete, tubes and pipes (airco systems in walls) may become magnetic DC over time.

I have measured even certain stones may get satisfied after a few years, and reflect much more than they did before.



One and a half year ago, we had mattresses of PUR, which after a while started to *sink in*.

We could exchange them by a type with inner reinforcement.

I measured them intense, but no DC fields.

Now, one and a half year later my wife complained, that as soon as she was on the bed, she had troubles.

I measured 2.000nT with my magnetometer, which is twice what is allowed.

They are gone now, and replaced by mattresses of latex. No problems since.



My point is, that the influence of underground water beams is neglegible in comparison to the hard DC fields around us.



Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by NIS2012



----- Original Message -----

  From: Marc Martin

  To: [hidden email]

  Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:37 AM

  Subject: Re: [eSens] Proof that Geopathic Stress Harms



On May 14, pamela clemonts <[hidden email]> wrote:

  > I totally disagree. Electromagnetics and the effects upon sensitive people

  > is exactly what eSens suggests.

  >

  > Geopathic conditions have influenced my EHS just as MCS has influenced

  >  the EHS of others.



I guess I should clarify that I was not objecting to a discussion of

  geopathic stress (maybe Charles was, but I was not).   However,

  a quick glance at the email in question reveals many other topics:



-- Planet X

    -- Climate Change

    -- Ascension

    -- Pole Shift

    -- Cosmic Events

    -- Haunted Houses

    -- Astrology



It is these things that I would say have very little to do with ES.



Thanks,



Marc



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You're probably right, Charles.

However, I'd like to add that earth radiation (which causes geopathic stress) brings about symptoms that are similar (but not exactly the same) as man-made EMF. So, if you occasionally experience familiar symptoms but your meters can't detect any thing to suggest high radiation of any sort, it may be due to usually high earth radiation.

Presently, we are experiencing another wave of high earth radiation. My symptoms for this are nights of intense dreams. At a certain point within those days is pain in the middle of the chest (heart chakra). That happened yesterday afternoon. I notice that these occasions correlates with higher seismic activities, at least a magnitude of 6.

True enough, there's a recent 6.2 quake at Chile-Peru border and another 6.0 at Papua New Guinea. So, if you're not sure you can just check the news or http://www.iris.edu/seismon/

I'd probably get a few more nights of intense dreams. Got used to it.

kb

charles wrote thus at 17:49 15/05/2012:

But what you describe here has nothing to do with geopathic stress.

Geopathic stress contains of DC fields, without any frequency.

Earth quakes and the like, are vibrations, mostly in the very low frequency range, and hardly measurable.
However, the body can *feel* and react to these vibrations.

EHS people told me, that they felt strange vibrations the day BEFORE tsunami's occurred.
It is well known, that animals feel these vibrations also beforehand, and seek higher places.

Be also aware that most meters are very limited in use, their frequency range is limited, and their sensitivity is also very low.
So, if you can not measure anything, that does not mean, that there are no signals.
But trust your body.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by NIS2012


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Kumara Bhikkhu
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:43 AM
  Subject: Earth Radiation & Man-made Radiation -- Re: [eSens] Proof that Geopathic Stress Harms


  You're probably right, Charles.

  However, I'd like to add that earth radiation (which causes geopathic stress) brings about symptoms that are similar (but not exactly the same) as man-made EMF. So, if you occasionally experience familiar symptoms but your meters can't detect any thing to suggest high radiation of any sort, it may be due to usually high earth radiation.

  Presently, we are experiencing another wave of high earth radiation. My symptoms for this are nights of intense dreams. At a certain point within those days is pain in the middle of the chest (heart chakra). That happened yesterday afternoon. I notice that these occasions correlates with higher seismic activities, at least a magnitude of 6.

  True enough, there's a recent 6.2 quake at Chile-Peru border and another 6.0 at Papua New Guinea. So, if you're not sure you can just check the news or http://www.iris.edu/seismon/

  I'd probably get a few more nights of intense dreams. Got used to it.

  kb

  charles wrote thus at 17:49 15/05/2012:
  >My point was, that one should not overreact to the geopathic stress.
  >Sure, they may have an influence.
  >But they can only be measured with dowsing, because its fields are so small.
  >
  >Contrary, there are many dangerous DC fields in the house (mostly in beds), which can be easily measured with a compass or a magnetometer.
  >And often these dangerous fields are totally ignored.
  >
  >Also ignored is the fact, that materials can store elektrosmog.
  >(I have found and measured that in praxis.)
  >Our body can transform elektrosmog, whether low- or highfrequencies, or magnetical fields, into small AC currents.
  >(We can measure that as body tension from 30mV up to 100.000mV)
  >
  >Metal supporting beams, steel reinforcement bars in concrete, tubes and pipes (airco systems in walls) may become magnetic DC over time.
  >I have measured even certain stones may get satisfied after a few years, and reflect much more than they did before.
  >
  >One and a half year ago, we had mattresses of PUR, which after a while started to *sink in*.
  >We could exchange them by a type with inner reinforcement.
  >I measured them intense, but no DC fields.
  >Now, one and a half year later my wife complained, that as soon as she was on the bed, she had troubles.
  >I measured 2.000nT with my magnetometer, which is twice what is allowed.
  >They are gone now, and replaced by mattresses of latex. No problems since.
  >
  >My point is, that the influence of underground water beams is neglegible in comparison to the hard DC fields around us.
  >
  >Greetings,
  >Charles Claessens
  >member Verband Baubiologie
  >www.milieuziektes.nl
  >www.milieuziektes.be
  >www.hetbitje.nl
  >checked by NIS2012



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Marc,

OMG-- WHAT!  I'm not sure how you got this info.  I do not recall sending it through eSens.  I believed I was sharing a personal exchange of information that I have encountered on YouTube over the past 5 months.  I never intended for the group to see this.  It was intended for a fellow member who has encountered these concepts as well.

I am not ashamed that I have encountered these phenomena which clearly have been on the minds of many people on this planet.  I personally am new to these particular ideas and have sought discussion with those "in the know".

Clearly Marc, if someone is sending information that is probably not intended for the group-- why would you not say something to that person.  Not once did I ever address this group about these concepts.  Now I feel naked.  What other things have been inadvertently shared? I really do apologize for this indiscretion--but mostly to myself because I had the most to lose and you could not possibly have gotten all of that from one or two of my personal exchanges. Do you have a line into my email, now?

Uh Marc, don't you have something about UFO's in you e address?  It's your business--but maybe you planted that seed.

Peace,
Pamela

--- On Mon, 5/14/12, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Proof that Geopathic Stress Harms
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, May 14, 2012, 7:37 PM
















 



 


   
     
     
      On May 14, pamela clemonts <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I totally disagree.  Electromagnetics and the effects upon sensitive people

> is exactly what eSens suggests. 

>

> Geopathic conditions have influenced my EHS just as MCS has influenced

>  the EHS of others.



I guess I should clarify that I was not objecting to a discussion of

geopathic stress (maybe Charles was, but I was not).   However,

a quick glance at the email in question reveals many other topics:



-- Planet X

  -- Climate Change

  -- Ascension

  -- Pole Shift

  -- Cosmic Events

  -- Haunted Houses

  -- Astrology



It is these things that I would say have very little to do with ES.



Thanks,



Marc



   
     

   
   






 










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On May 16, pamela clemonts <[hidden email]> wrote:
> OMG-- WHAT!  I'm not sure how you got this info.  I do not recall sending it through eSens. 

Ah yes, you have to be careful who you are sending your e-mails to...
good thing I rejected some other ones that day... :-)

Marc

Sorry Maureen,

It was never my intention to make my private exchanges public to this group.  And no we were not discussing anything related to this group.  Marc played the voyeur and instead of telling me that this sort of thing was going on-- he just read it and then joked about it, instead of asking me if these things were intended for the group.  I believe that he knows that they were private.  It seems like he's been seeing a lot of my emails.  I do not recall all of the things on that list ever being mentioned in one place.*

Regrets,
Pam

* I do not necessarily believe in these concepts, but I am very open-minded and these things are of interest to many people these days.  I am intrigued if nothing else.  People should be able to enjoy the mysterious times that we live in whether these ideas may be based in reality or in fantasy.

 
From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.com>

To: eSens@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:37 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Proof that Geopathic Stress Harms



 

On May 14, pamela clemonts <adiaha22@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I totally disagree.  Electromagnetics and the effects upon sensitive people

> is exactly what eSens suggests. 

>

> Geopathic conditions have influenced my EHS just as MCS has influenced

> the EHS of others.



I guess I should clarify that I was not objecting to a discussion of

geopathic stress (maybe Charles was, but I was not). However,

a quick glance at the email in question reveals many other topics:



-- Planet X

-- Climate Change

-- Ascension

-- Pole Shift

-- Cosmic Events

-- Haunted Houses

-- Astrology



It is these things that I would say have very little to do with ES.



Thanks,



Marc



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> I believe that he knows that they were private.  It seems like he's
>  been seeing a lot of my emails.  I do not recall all of the things
> on that list ever being mentioned in one place.

I didn't know they were private -- like I said, I glanced at the post
and noted that it looked very off-topic.  Looks like you've got some
paranoia going on (a mercury poisoning symptom, BTW).  

And these things WERE all mentioned in the same place, on this
group, in this message:

  http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/26539

So relax, nobody is intercepting your private e-mails -- you sent
this out for everyone to read...

Marc

Charles,
You stated: "Geopathic stress contains of DC fields, without any frequency."

My response, taken directly from Richard Creightmore's article on Geopathic stress:

"Geopathic
stress (GS) represents a distortion of this natural frequency by weak
electromagnetic fields created by streams of water flowing underground,
geological fault lines, underground caverns, and certain mineral deposits
(notably coal, oil, and iron). For example, where the inner Earth's vibration
of 7.83 Hz crosses a water vein 200 – 500 feet
below ground, stress lines vibrating at up to 250 Hz can be created."
I myself would not consider 250 Hz minimal, not when you factor in the low elf frequencies from the Gwen towers, and all other accumulative sources of electro smog.
Whether or not you believe this field is real, or warrants consideration as a viable health threat, I invite you to take another look at this information, specifically the link I posted, from Richard Creightmore.
I seem to recall you posted one of your protocols. Your info was very good. And what impressed me was how thorough your work was. There is much documentation out there that shows people were able to heal, when the geopathic stress was addressed. There are also historically documented cases, where the dr looked at the land, and for sources of geopathic stress, when patients didn't respond to treatment. Many of these cases were before the advent of the cell phone proliferation. While I agree that dirty electricity is also dangerous to health,  I think it would be unwise to dismiss the role that Geopathic stress plays in health issues.
having done a fair amount of research into Geopathic stress, I can tell you:
There is credible scientifically backed up documentation, an assortment of  blood tests, special equipt that DOES back up what the Dowsers find....so with this specialized equipt, these fields CAN be measured.
 
www.landandspirit.net/html/geopathic_stress.html

Lizzie
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From: [hidden email]
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 11:54:18 +0200
Subject: Re: Earth Radiation & Man-made Radiation -- Re: [eSens] Proof that  Geopathic Stress Harms
















 



 


   
     
     
      But what you describe here has nothing to do with geopathic stress.



Geopathic stress contains of DC fields, without any frequency.



Earth quakes and the like, are vibrations, mostly in the very low frequency range, and hardly measurable.

However, the body can *feel* and react to these vibrations.



EHS people told me, that they felt strange vibrations the day BEFORE tsunami's occurred.

It is well known, that animals feel these vibrations also beforehand, and seek higher places.



Be also aware that most meters are very limited in use, their frequency range is limited, and their sensitivity is also very low.

So, if you can not measure anything, that does not mean, that there are no signals.

But trust your body.



Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by NIS2012



----- Original Message -----

  From: Kumara Bhikkhu

  To: [hidden email]

  Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:43 AM

  Subject: Earth Radiation & Man-made Radiation -- Re: [eSens] Proof that Geopathic Stress Harms



You're probably right, Charles.



However, I'd like to add that earth radiation (which causes geopathic stress) brings about symptoms that are similar (but not exactly the same) as man-made EMF. So, if you occasionally experience familiar symptoms but your meters can't detect any thing to suggest high radiation of any sort, it may be due to usually high earth radiation.



Presently, we are experiencing another wave of high earth radiation. My symptoms for this are nights of intense dreams. At a certain point within those days is pain in the middle of the chest (heart chakra). That happened yesterday afternoon. I notice that these occasions correlates with higher seismic activities, at least a magnitude of 6.



True enough, there's a recent 6.2 quake at Chile-Peru border and another 6.0 at Papua New Guinea. So, if you're not sure you can just check the news or http://www.iris.edu/seismon/



I'd probably get a few more nights of intense dreams. Got used to it.



kb



charles wrote thus at 17:49 15/05/2012:

  >My point was, that one should not overreact to the geopathic stress.

  >Sure, they may have an influence.

  >But they can only be measured with dowsing, because its fields are so small.

  >

  >Contrary, there are many dangerous DC fields in the house (mostly in beds), which can be easily measured with a compass or a magnetometer.

  >And often these dangerous fields are totally ignored.

  >

  >Also ignored is the fact, that materials can store elektrosmog.

  >(I have found and measured that in praxis.)

  >Our body can transform elektrosmog, whether low- or highfrequencies, or magnetical fields, into small AC currents.

  >(We can measure that as body tension from 30mV up to 100.000mV)

  >

  >Metal supporting beams, steel reinforcement bars in concrete, tubes and pipes (airco systems in walls) may become magnetic DC over time.

  >I have measured even certain stones may get satisfied after a few years, and reflect much more than they did before.

  >

  >One and a half year ago, we had mattresses of PUR, which after a while started to *sink in*.

  >We could exchange them by a type with inner reinforcement.

  >I measured them intense, but no DC fields.

  >Now, one and a half year later my wife complained, that as soon as she was on the bed, she had troubles.

  >I measured 2.000nT with my magnetometer, which is twice what is allowed.

  >They are gone now, and replaced by mattresses of latex. No problems since.

  >

  >My point is, that the influence of underground water beams is neglegible in comparison to the hard DC fields around us.

  >

  >Greetings,

  >Charles Claessens

  >member Verband Baubiologie

  >www.milieuziektes.nl

  >www.milieuziektes.be

  >www.hetbitje.nl

  >checked by NIS2012



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I would expect rays through fault lines would be more serious. Although Malaysia is not in an earthquake zone, it's near enough. We have "earth breaks" here. Years ago I happened to sit for meditation in a spot where I experience increasing tension. This was in hut in the edge of an orchard. No telco towers there. I had no idea of earth rays then. So, I sat on thinking I was just not doing it right. After an hour, I just couldn't take it any more and gave up, exhausted.

Some years later, someone came to test our place for earth rays. Then I found out that I was sitting right at a crossing of an earth break and water vein! No wonder!

Since I'm quite sensitive, I've learnt to check for these lines with my palms. Earth breaks are easy to detect due to the hard quality. Water vein is harder to detect. It does feel somewhat like a blob of water. Earth grids are easy to miss though.

In times of greater turbulence, I try to avoid sleeping anywhere near these places. I still get affected, feeling a bit tired after the dreamy night, but at least the brain is not so (in computer speak) overclocked.


Elizabeth thode wrote thus at 09:54 17/05/2012:

Take a look.
Most people treat symptoms. I don't think its too far off the mark to say that lots of ESsers have jumped thru hoops, trying to get better.
In some cases, nutritional deficiencies are not thoroughly addressed. In other cases, they reach a block, a wall, even after thoroughly addressing
nutritional aspects and toxic over load issues.
My focus is on finding root causes. And my intuition is strongly telling me that Geopathic stress is not only very common, not matter where people live,
but that this is a crucial piece of the healing puzzle. I am by no means saying this is Geopathic stress is the ONLY cause. What I am saying is that
it cannot be ruled out. Mainstream has been even more silent about geopathic stress then it has been about cell tower radiation.
It begs the question of why, when it is more then obvious that there is equipt that measures both.

Lizzie


Have
You Been Sleeping Above an Underground Stream?

 

Influence of Underground Water Veins and Geological fault
Lines on the Autonomous Nervous System:

 

It has been scientifically proven for the first time, with a
double blind study by means of an electrocardiogram, that the detrimental
effects of “water veins” and other geopathically disturbing phenomena can cause
serious health problems to persons exposed to them.

 

This presentation took place in March 2003 in the large
auditorium of the Saint Johanns-hospital Landesklinjken Salzburg  Germany.
(Salzburg Country Clinics), Mullner Hauptstraae 48, A-5020 Salzburg statt.
There were about 400 people present including numerous renowned specialists;
physicians, physicists and geologists, in the all-German audience.

 

Excerpts from Press articles from the Salzburg Country
Clinic:

‘Research teams from Salzburg and Vienna have provided
scientific proof that Geopathogenically Disturbed Zones have a massive
influence on the body and its nervous system…’

 

‘These phenomena have been known about for millennia: On the
one hand pilgrims visited certain stones or specially determined places in
order to receive new power, on the other hand before purchasing a building or
house, a water diviner is sent over the area or through the rooms, around
perhaps zones disturbed by water veins to find stone rejections or in the
electromagnetic field of the earth aufzuspuren and therefore the optimal
location. A research team from Salzburg and Vienna have now proved for the first
time, by being able to underpin and furnish scientific proof, that such
so-called geopathogenic disturbed zones have a detrimental influence on the
human body. ‘

 

These energies seem to affect women more than men. The main
early warning symptoms:

 

Energy depleted
state.                      
             Panic
attacks.

Insomnia.                                                      
Depression

Headaches                                                     Short
term memory loss.

Loss of
balance                                              Hypersensitivity
to light

Muscle and joint
pains.                                  
Candidacies.

 

·        
Article by Edgar Breuss,: (Salzburg Krone)  29/03//03

·        
Article by Frau Sabine Deubler (Salzburger Bezirksblatter) 10/04/2003

·        
Article by Dr. Robert Harsieber,  (Medical Tribune)  Ausgabe
18,  30/04/03

 

How Geopathic Stress Negatively Affects the Human Body!

 

Written By Univ.-Prof. Dr. Gerhard W. Hacker: Head, IGGMB -
Research Institute for Frontier

Questions of Medicine and Biotechnology. Salzburg. Austria

 

At locations where Geopathic stress zones are present,
subsurface water plays a predominantrole, either as lakes, slowly moving
underground water, or as water streams. Water underneath the

surface does interfere with the human body, which also
contains its own water in a special form (the human body is 70% water). Water
from "below ground" affects the human body in several ways: Similar
to a current transformer, information from one water source can be transcribed
to the other water source and change the "human energy field" (HEF).
Also, metal ions moved by water can induce small intensity broadband
electromagnetic fields (EMF). These "EMFs" increase the "background
noise" levels and interfere with physiologic processes in our body. that
in part, rely on electromagnetic phenomena, such as membrane ion channels, or
pacemaker regions in the brain or heart. Using a randomized double blinded
trial*, it has been scientifically shown that Geopathic stress zones do cause
chronic stress and therefore can weaken the body's defence systems.

 

Technical electromagnetic fields can also drastically affect
the human body, as soon as certain field strengths are reached. There is clear
indication that a combination of technical fields and Geopathic stress zones
can multiply the effect and therefore become extremely harmful to all living
beings. In that context. various structures in the human body playa role, e.g.
incredible numbers of tiny magnetite's (nano-magnetos) present in our brain,
various nerve cell and muscle related structures, and even protein functions
can be modulated. Finally, this stress, in combination with a possible
suppression of certain functions of the immune system. may even lead to the
development of cancer. Results of spending time over Geopathic Stress Zones:

 

 

Geopathic Stress Zones weaken the human organism

 

1.      
••
Leads to stress; long lasting stress turns into chronic distress and disease

2.      
••
Clear indication that Geopathic Stress weakens the immune system,
cardiovascular

3.      
•system
and others .

4.      
••
Sleeplessness (insomnia): No relaxation, weakening the immune system and
furthering

5.      
•aggressive
behaviour.

6.      
••
Health Facilities: Healing does not work well when the body is continually
subjected to

7.      
•Geopathic
Stress.

8.      
••
Wellness-centres/ spas: Success of therapy and stress-management depend on
location of

9.      
•beds
being free from Geopathic stress .

10.    ••
Athletes: The winners have slept well.

11.    •• Schools,
Kindergartens, offices. etc.: Aggression and interpersonal relationships vary

12.    •based on
location of the person's sleeping bed and desk, among others.

13.    •• Economy
and work place: Decreased performance, increased probability of employee' s

14.    •getting
illnesses, sick days. etc.

15.    •

 

Biomedical Evidence of Influence of Geopathic Zones on the
Human Body: Scientifically Traceable Effects and

ways of Harmonization. by Gerhard W. Hacker. Elisabeth
Pawlak. Gemot Pauser. et.a!. Forsch Komplementarmed

Klass Naturheilkd 2005: 12:315.327

 



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Subject: Re: Earth Radiation & Man-made Radiation -- Re: [eSens] Proof that  Geopathic Stress Harms
















 



 


   
     
     
      But what you describe here has nothing to do with geopathic stress.



Geopathic stress contains of DC fields, without any frequency.



Earth quakes and the like, are vibrations, mostly in the very low frequency range, and hardly measurable.

However, the body can *feel* and react to these vibrations.



EHS people told me, that they felt strange vibrations the day BEFORE tsunami's occurred.

It is well known, that animals feel these vibrations also beforehand, and seek higher places.



Be also aware that most meters are very limited in use, their frequency range is limited, and their sensitivity is also very low.

So, if you can not measure anything, that does not mean, that there are no signals.

But trust your body.



Greetings,

Charles Claessens

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www.milieuziektes.be

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  Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:43 AM

  Subject: Earth Radiation & Man-made Radiation -- Re: [eSens] Proof that Geopathic Stress Harms



You're probably right, Charles.



However, I'd like to add that earth radiation (which causes geopathic stress) brings about symptoms that are similar (but not exactly the same) as man-made EMF. So, if you occasionally experience familiar symptoms but your meters can't detect any thing to suggest high radiation of any sort, it may be due to usually high earth radiation.



Presently, we are experiencing another wave of high earth radiation. My symptoms for this are nights of intense dreams. At a certain point within those days is pain in the middle of the chest (heart chakra). That happened yesterday afternoon. I notice that these occasions correlates with higher seismic activities, at least a magnitude of 6.



True enough, there's a recent 6.2 quake at Chile-Peru border and another 6.0 at Papua New Guinea. So, if you're not sure you can just check the news or http://www.iris.edu/seismon/



I'd probably get a few more nights of intense dreams. Got used to it.



kb



charles wrote thus at 17:49 15/05/2012:

  >My point was, that one should not overreact to the geopathic stress.

  >Sure, they may have an influence.

  >But they can only be measured with dowsing, because its fields are so small.

  >

  >Contrary, there are many dangerous DC fields in the house (mostly in beds), which can be easily measured with a compass or a magnetometer.

  >And often these dangerous fields are totally ignored.

  >

  >Also ignored is the fact, that materials can store elektrosmog.

  >(I have found and measured that in praxis.)

  >Our body can transform elektrosmog, whether low- or highfrequencies, or magnetical fields, into small AC currents.

  >(We can measure that as body tension from 30mV up to 100.000mV)

  >

  >Metal supporting beams, steel reinforcement bars in concrete, tubes and pipes (airco systems in walls) may become magnetic DC over time.

  >I have measured even certain stones may get satisfied after a few years, and reflect much more than they did before.

  >

  >One and a half year ago, we had mattresses of PUR, which after a while started to *sink in*.

  >We could exchange them by a type with inner reinforcement.

  >I measured them intense, but no DC fields.

  >Now, one and a half year later my wife complained, that as soon as she was on the bed, she had troubles.

  >I measured 2.000nT with my magnetometer, which is twice what is allowed.

  >They are gone now, and replaced by mattresses of latex. No problems since.

  >

  >My point is, that the influence of underground water beams is neglegible in comparison to the hard DC fields around us.

  >

  >Greetings,

  >Charles Claessens

  >member Verband Baubiologie

  >www.milieuziektes.nl

  >www.milieuziektes.be

  >www.hetbitje.nl

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Hi, Elizabeth,

Thanks for the geopathic stress information.  I especially have problems in places with iron ore and other metal deposits.  I have found that electrosmog accumulates in the areas around these deposits.  Unfortunately, where I live there are areas especially high in iron ore.  There are areas which I have not tolerated going to since I was a child.  I had no idea why until I began learning about ES.  I see very little on this subject anywhere.  I should think this would be problematic at areas of high copper and other metals, as well. 


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Charles,
You stated: "Geopathic stress contains of DC fields, without any frequency."

My response, taken directly from Richard Creightmore's article on Geopathic stress:

"Geopathic
stress (GS) represents a distortion of this natural frequency by weak
electromagnetic fields created by streams of water flowing underground,
geological fault lines, underground caverns, and certain mineral deposits
(notably coal, oil, and iron). For example, where the inner Earth's vibration
of 7.83 Hz crosses a water vein 200 – 500 feet
below ground, stress lines vibrating at up to 250 Hz can be created."
I myself would not consider 250 Hz minimal, not when you factor in the low elf frequencies from the Gwen towers, and all other accumulative sources of electro smog.
Whether or not you believe this field is real, or warrants consideration as a viable health threat, I invite you to take another look at this information, specifically the link I posted, from Richard Creightmore.
I seem to recall you posted one of your protocols. Your info was very good. And what impressed me was how thorough your work was. There is much documentation out there that shows people were able to heal, when the geopathic stress was addressed. There are also historically documented cases, where the dr looked at the land, and for sources of geopathic stress, when patients didn't respond to treatment. Many of these cases were before the advent of the cell phone proliferation. While I agree that dirty electricity is also dangerous to health,  I think it would be unwise to dismiss the role that Geopathic stress plays in health issues.
having done a fair amount of research into Geopathic stress, I can tell you:
There is credible scientifically backed up documentation, an assortment of  blood tests, special equipt that DOES back up what the Dowsers find....so with this specialized equipt, these fields CAN be measured.

www.landandspirit.net/html/geopathic_stress.html

Lizzie
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 11:54:18 +0200
Subject: Re: Earth Radiation & Man-made Radiation -- Re: [eSens] Proof that  Geopathic Stress Harms




















 


   
     
     
      But what you describe here has nothing to do with geopathic stress.



Geopathic stress contains of DC fields, without any frequency.



Earth quakes and the like, are vibrations, mostly in the very low frequency range, and hardly measurable.

However, the body can *feel* and react to these vibrations.



EHS people told me, that they felt strange vibrations the day BEFORE tsunami's occurred.

It is well known, that animals feel these vibrations also beforehand, and seek higher places.



Be also aware that most meters are very limited in use, their frequency range is limited, and their sensitivity is also very low.

So, if you can not measure anything, that does not mean, that there are no signals.

But trust your body.



Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by NIS2012



----- Original Message -----

  From: Kumara Bhikkhu

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  Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:43 AM

  Subject: Earth Radiation & Man-made Radiation -- Re: [eSens] Proof that Geopathic Stress Harms



You're probably right, Charles.



However, I'd like to add that earth radiation (which causes geopathic stress) brings about symptoms that are similar (but not exactly the same) as man-made EMF. So, if you occasionally experience familiar symptoms but your meters can't detect any thing to suggest high radiation of any sort, it may be due to usually high earth radiation.



Presently, we are experiencing another wave of high earth radiation. My symptoms for this are nights of intense dreams. At a certain point within those days is pain in the middle of the chest (heart chakra). That happened yesterday afternoon. I notice that these occasions correlates with higher seismic activities, at least a magnitude of 6.



True enough, there's a recent 6.2 quake at Chile-Peru border and another 6.0 at Papua New Guinea. So, if you're not sure you can just check the news or http://www.iris.edu/seismon/



I'd probably get a few more nights of intense dreams. Got used to it.



kb



charles wrote thus at 17:49 15/05/2012:

  >My point was, that one should not overreact to the geopathic stress.

  >Sure, they may have an influence.

  >But they can only be measured with dowsing, because its fields are so small.

  >

  >Contrary, there are many dangerous DC fields in the house (mostly in beds), which can be easily measured with a compass or a magnetometer.

  >And often these dangerous fields are totally ignored.

  >

  >Also ignored is the fact, that materials can store elektrosmog.

  >(I have found and measured that in praxis.)

  >Our body can transform elektrosmog, whether low- or highfrequencies, or magnetical fields, into small AC currents.

  >(We can measure that as body tension from 30mV up to 100.000mV)

  >

  >Metal supporting beams, steel reinforcement bars in concrete, tubes and pipes (airco systems in walls) may become magnetic DC over time.

  >I have measured even certain stones may get satisfied after a few years, and reflect much more than they did before.

  >

  >One and a half year ago, we had mattresses of PUR, which after a while started to *sink in*.

  >We could exchange them by a type with inner reinforcement.

  >I measured them intense, but no DC fields.

  >Now, one and a half year later my wife complained, that as soon as she was on the bed, she had troubles.

  >I measured 2.000nT with my magnetometer, which is twice what is allowed.

  >They are gone now, and replaced by mattresses of latex. No problems since.

  >

  >My point is, that the influence of underground water beams is neglegible in comparison to the hard DC fields around us.

  >

  >Greetings,

  >Charles Claessens

  >member Verband Baubiologie

  >www.milieuziektes.nl

  >www.milieuziektes.be

  >www.hetbitje.nl

  >checked by NIS2012



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Hi Kumara,

Wow...that's how it's been with me and these blasted vortexes.  I can feel the swirling energies.  Someone suggested that maybe the one under where I sleep is some sort of portal.  There have actually been times when it has tremored and when I believe the force of emotions has really been noticeable. 

Hey, if other animal types can sense or feel these things, so can some people.  I have a cousin who says that she can hear sounds that only dogs and cats should be hearing.  Who knows?  I claim to feel cell phones and some people think that's nutzoid.

I feel what I feel.

Peace,
Pam

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      I would expect rays through fault lines would be more serious. Although Malaysia is not in an earthquake zone, it's near enough. We have "earth breaks" here. Years ago I happened to sit for meditation in a spot where I experience increasing tension. This was in hut in the edge of an orchard. No telco towers there. I had no idea of earth rays then. So, I sat on thinking I was just not doing it right. After an hour, I just couldn't take it any more and gave up, exhausted.



Some years later, someone came to test our place for earth rays. Then I found out that I was sitting right at a crossing of an earth break and water vein! No wonder!



Since I'm quite sensitive, I've learnt to check for these lines with my palms. Earth breaks are easy to detect due to the hard quality. Water vein is harder to detect. It does feel somewhat like a blob of water. Earth grids are easy to miss though.



In times of greater turbulence, I try to avoid sleeping anywhere near these places. I still get affected, feeling a bit tired after the dreamy night, but at least the brain is not so (in computer speak) overclocked.



Elizabeth thode wrote thus at 09:54 17/05/2012:



>Charles,

>You stated: "Geopathic stress contains of DC fields, without any frequency."

>

>My response, taken directly from Richard Creightmore's article on Geopathic stress:

>

>"Geopathic

>stress (GS) represents a distortion of this natural frequency by weak

>electromagnetic fields created by streams of water flowing underground,

>geological fault lines, underground caverns, and certain mineral deposits

>(notably coal, oil, and iron). For example, where the inner Earth's vibration

>of 7.83 Hz crosses a water vein 200 ­ 500 feet

>below ground, stress lines vibrating at up to 250 Hz can be created."

>I myself would not consider 250 Hz minimal, not when you factor in the low elf frequencies from the Gwen towers, and all other accumulative sources of electro smog.

>Whether or not you believe this field is real, or warrants consideration as a viable health threat, I invite you to take another look at this information, specifically the link I posted, from Richard Creightmore.

>I seem to recall you posted one of your protocols. Your info was very good. And what impressed me was how thorough your work was. There is much documentation out there that shows people were able to heal, when the geopathic stress was addressed. There are also historically documented cases, where the dr looked at the land, and for sources of geopathic stress, when patients didn't respond to treatment. Many of these cases were before the advent of the cell phone proliferation. While I agree that dirty electricity is also dangerous to health,  I think it would be unwise to dismiss the role that Geopathic stress plays in health issues.

>having done a fair amount of research into Geopathic stress, I can tell you:

>There is credible scientifically backed up documentation, an assortment of  blood tests, special equipt that DOES back up what the Dowsers find....so with this specialized equipt, these fields CAN be measured.

>

>www.landandspirit.net/html/geopathic_stress.html

>

>Lizzie





   
     

   
   






 










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Hi all

An ES friend and I have been looking rather extensively for a place to say without cell phone signal.
Most places that we have found are cell phone signal free because they are surrounded by mountains.
If these mountains are too close, both of us can feel the radiation coming off them - feels different to man-made radiation but makes us both actually feel worse than that.
Granite rock, which are very predominant in the mountains around here, actually give off ionizing radiation which can be measured.
K

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

So, while we try our best to look for a suitable place for us to stay, it's still a very good idea to find out the reason(s) why our bodies don't cope as well as others', and try to resolve it. It takes time and effort, but it's worth it.

kikkie2004 wrote thus at 18:28 25/05/2012:
>Hi all
>
>An ES friend and I have been looking rather extensively for a place to say without cell phone signal.
>Most places that we have found are cell phone signal free because they are surrounded by mountains.
>If these mountains are too close, both of us can feel the radiation coming off them - feels different to man-made radiation but makes us both actually feel worse than that.
>Granite rock, which are very predominant in the mountains around here, actually give off ionizing radiation which can be measured.
>K