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PUK

Re: Car GPS is making me sick!

In reply to this post by Poker Addict

if its the keys then stick them in a tin box ! also the car may be acting
like a RF re-radiator being a large metal object - is it picking up on some
new RF emission and refelecting it ?

puk

In a message dated 25/09/2012 01:04:10 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

My theory is now that the wireless keys are sending a radio signals
throughout the house.

But why wasn't it doing that before? Very confused, and getting rather
desperate actually.
Someone also recently suggested to me that there are "hidden GPS modes"
that remain active.
Sort of a conspiracy theory, not sure I'm buying that.

Also, someone in this group wrote me a long response about laying metal
around my walls
to prevent signals. I accidentally deleted that email, feel free to send
it again to the group.
Sorry!

Paul

________________________________
From: Poker Addict <_acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) >
To: "_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) "
<_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

I had my Dad leave the car somewhere else last night...

I had no muscle pain and slept extremely well for 9 hours!

It is DEFINITELY the car that is the problem.

Your theories are possibly correct, that something to do with the alarm
system and GPS was activated,
I have to talk to Lexus about this and try to figure it out.

Not sure about the microwave alarm system, but that has been on since we
bought the car a year ago,
so I doubt that is it.

If anyone has any specialized knowledge in this area, please let me know.

________________________________
From: "_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) " <_paulpjc@aol.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) >
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 3:53 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

I find that as an Esser I am extremely suspicious of new hi tech toys this
probably gives me an additional heightened sense of awareness, like a
hound
dog that goes on a sniffing fest, when they are newly introduced into my
home environment, which your sensitive ES body is all to familiar with.
sadly I suspect this goes with the territory and once triggered it will
take a
while for your tolerance levels to steady down again. That said when the
Gps was given your address is it possible that this triggers some other
form
of transmission related to the vehicle, for tracking or advertising ??!
the
only way to test for this is to analyses emissions from the car. I dont
suppose it has a microwave alarm system installed does it ? Nevertheless
it
maybe that you are simply on guard given that your personal address
details were entered into the vehicle gps.- could you try to put a
mylar/emergency blanket over the car at night for a while ?

I too have issues with vehicle EMR - I recently purchased a Honda HRV on a
1999 plate thinking it would be low tech, but hey big mistake I drive a
couple of miles in it and want to get out of it and give it a good
kicking, I
am now back in my fiat not as jazzy looking but tolerable.

Paul - puk

In a message dated 21/09/2012 06:08:02 GMT Daylight Time,
_muertter@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) writes:

Hi Paul,

The GPS unit itself doesn't send out any signals, it only receives signals
from satellites. I know that some smartphones with GPS also use WiFi and
cell signals to increase accuracy. Maybe that navigation system does the
same in which case it might also transmit some signals, but only if the
car is
on. Were you already sensitive to microwaves? Maybe you became sensitized
when the unit was first turned on. Or maybe it was just a coincidence and
something else is causing the problem. Try parking the car somewhere else
for one night.

Rolf

On Sep 20, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Poker Addict wrote:

> Hey everybody,
>
> You might remember me, I've been a long time member of this group and
suffer from CFS/CFIDS and also EMF sensitivity
>
> My
> father got a Lexus recently, and I always sleep in the room next to it.
It

> has been fine for about a year, but a few days ago, my brother
> programmed the GPS navigation system with our home address and I got
> very sick that night. I think it was probably activating the GPS signal
> that did it, it felt like waves of radiation were hitting me.
>
> We took it to the Lexus dealer and they reset all
> the data and factory settings back to what it was originally, deleting
> everything my brother did. A few hours later, I still felt sick from
> it, and I haven't slept well in 3 nights.
>
> Anyone have any idea what is causing this, and why can't I seem to fix

Poker Addict

Re: Car GPS is making me sick!

Has putting your cell phones in tin boxes helped to stop the radiation and signals?

Paul, I think you were the one who wrote me a long message which I accidentally deleted, maybe
you could re-send?

Sorry..

________________________________
From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

if its the keys then stick them in a tin box ! also the car may be acting
like a RF re-radiator being a large metal object - is it picking up on some
new RF emission and refelecting it ?

puk

In a message dated 25/09/2012 01:04:10 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

My theory is now that the wireless keys are sending a radio signals
throughout the house.

But why wasn't it doing that before? Very confused, and getting rather
desperate actually.
Someone also recently suggested to me that there are "hidden GPS modes"
that remain active.
Sort of a conspiracy theory, not sure I'm buying that.

Also, someone in this group wrote me a long response about laying metal
around my walls
to prevent signals. I accidentally deleted that email, feel free to send
it again to the group.
Sorry!

Paul

________________________________
From: Poker Addict <_acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) >
To: "_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) "
<_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

I had my Dad leave the car somewhere else last night...

I had no muscle pain and slept extremely well for 9 hours!

It is DEFINITELY the car that is the problem.

Your theories are possibly correct, that something to do with the alarm
system and GPS was activated,
I have to talk to Lexus about this and try to figure it out.

Not sure about the microwave alarm system, but that has been on since we
bought the car a year ago,
so I doubt that is it.

If anyone has any specialized knowledge in this area, please let me know.

________________________________
From: "_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) " <_paulpjc@aol.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) >
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 3:53 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

I find that as an Esser I am extremely suspicious of new hi tech toys this
probably gives me an additional heightened sense of awareness, like a
hound
dog that goes on a sniffing fest, when they are newly introduced into my
home environment, which your sensitive ES body is all to familiar with.
sadly I suspect this goes with the territory and once triggered it will
take a
while for your tolerance levels to steady down again. That said when the
Gps was given your address is it possible that this triggers some other
form
of transmission related to the vehicle, for tracking or advertising ??!
the
only way to test for this is to analyses emissions from the car. I dont
suppose it has a microwave alarm system installed does it ? Nevertheless
it
maybe that you are simply on guard given that your personal address
details were entered into the vehicle gps.- could you try to put a
mylar/emergency blanket over the car at night for a while ?

I too have issues with vehicle EMR - I recently purchased a Honda HRV on a
1999 plate thinking it would be low tech, but hey big mistake I drive a
couple of miles in it and want to get out of it and give it a good
kicking, I
am now back in my fiat not as jazzy looking but tolerable.

Paul - puk

In a message dated 21/09/2012 06:08:02 GMT Daylight Time,
_muertter@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) writes:

Hi Paul,

The GPS unit itself doesn't send out any signals, it only receives signals
from satellites. I know that some smartphones with GPS also use WiFi and
cell signals to increase accuracy. Maybe that navigation system does the
same in which case it might also transmit some signals, but only if the
car is
on. Were you already sensitive to microwaves? Maybe you became sensitized
when the unit was first turned on. Or maybe it was just a coincidence and
something else is causing the problem. Try parking the car somewhere else
for one night.

Rolf

On Sep 20, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Poker Addict wrote:

> Hey everybody,
>
> You might remember me, I've been a long time member of this group and
suffer from CFS/CFIDS and also EMF sensitivity
>
> My
> father got a Lexus recently, and I always sleep in the room next to it.
It

PUK

Re: Car GPS is making me sick!

In reply to this post by Poker Addict

my message is on this mail just scroll down, as far as cell phones are
concerned I make sure that they are never switched on in the house so no box n
eeded.

puk

In a message dated 25/09/2012 19:15:46 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Has putting your cell phones in tin boxes helped to stop the radiation and
signals?

Paul, I think you were the one who wrote me a long message which I
accidentally deleted, maybe
you could re-send?

Sorry..

________________________________
From: "_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) " <_paulpjc@aol.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) >
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

if its the keys then stick them in a tin box ! also the car may be acting
like a RF re-radiator being a large metal object - is it picking up on
some
new RF emission and refelecting it ?

puk

In a message dated 25/09/2012 01:04:10 GMT Daylight Time,
_acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) writes:

My theory is now that the wireless keys are sending a radio signals
throughout the house.

But why wasn't it doing that before? Very confused, and getting rather
desperate actually.
Someone also recently suggested to me that there are "hidden GPS modes"
that remain active.
Sort of a conspiracy theory, not sure I'm buying that.

Also, someone in this group wrote me a long response about laying metal
around my walls
to prevent signals. I accidentally deleted that email, feel free to send
it again to the group.
Sorry!

Paul

________________________________
From: Poker Addict <__acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) >
To: "__eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) "
<__eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) >
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

I had my Dad leave the car somewhere else last night...

I had no muscle pain and slept extremely well for 9 hours!

It is DEFINITELY the car that is the problem.

Your theories are possibly correct, that something to do with the alarm
system and GPS was activated,
I have to talk to Lexus about this and try to figure it out.

Not sure about the microwave alarm system, but that has been on since we
bought the car a year ago,
so I doubt that is it.

If anyone has any specialized knowledge in this area, please let me know.

________________________________
From: "__paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) " <__paulpjc@aol.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) >
To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) )
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 3:53 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

I find that as an Esser I am extremely suspicious of new hi tech toys this
probably gives me an additional heightened sense of awareness, like a
hound
dog that goes on a sniffing fest, when they are newly introduced into my
home environment, which your sensitive ES body is all to familiar with.
sadly I suspect this goes with the territory and once triggered it will
take a
while for your tolerance levels to steady down again. That said when the
Gps was given your address is it possible that this triggers some other
form
of transmission related to the vehicle, for tracking or advertising ??!
the
only way to test for this is to analyses emissions from the car. I dont
suppose it has a microwave alarm system installed does it ? Nevertheless
it
maybe that you are simply on guard given that your personal address
details were entered into the vehicle gps.- could you try to put a
mylar/emergency blanket over the car at night for a while ?

I too have issues with vehicle EMR - I recently purchased a Honda HRV on a
1999 plate thinking it would be low tech, but hey big mistake I drive a
couple of miles in it and want to get out of it and give it a good
kicking, I
am now back in my fiat not as jazzy looking but tolerable.

Paul - puk

In a message dated 21/09/2012 06:08:02 GMT Daylight Time,
__muertter@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_muertter@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) writes:

Hi Paul,

The GPS unit itself doesn't send out any signals, it only receives signals
from satellites. I know that some smartphones with GPS also use WiFi and
cell signals to increase accuracy. Maybe that navigation system does the
same in which case it might also transmit some signals, but only if the
car is
on. Were you already sensitive to microwaves? Maybe you became sensitized
when the unit was first turned on. Or maybe it was just a coincidence and
something else is causing the problem. Try parking the car somewhere else
for one night.

Rolf

On Sep 20, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Poker Addict wrote:

> Hey everybody,
>
> You might remember me, I've been a long time member of this group and
suffer from CFS/CFIDS and also EMF sensitivity
>
> My
> father got a Lexus recently, and I always sleep in the room next to it.
It

it?
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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charles-4

Re: Car GPS is making me sick!

I am sorry, but I must disagree here.

Many electrosensitives do experience troubles when a cell phone is in the house.
(Because many cell phones keep in contact with the mpbile phone masts, and therefore are sending corresponding signals.)
The only way to avoid this, is keeping the phone in an isolation box.

I do know of a person, who willhave allergic reactions all over his body within 10 minutes, when a visitor does have a phone in his pocket, ans also when it is switched off.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Emsisoft

----- Original Message -----
From: [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

my message is on this mail just scroll down, as far as cell phones are
concerned I make sure that they are never switched on in the house so no box n
eeded.

puk

In a message dated 25/09/2012 19:15:46 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Has putting your cell phones in tin boxes helped to stop the radiation and
signals?

Paul, I think you were the one who wrote me a long message which I
accidentally deleted, maybe
you could re-send?

Sorry..

________________________________
From: "_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) " <_paulpjc@aol.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) >
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

if its the keys then stick them in a tin box ! also the car may be acting
like a RF re-radiator being a large metal object - is it picking up on
some
new RF emission and refelecting it ?

puk

In a message dated 25/09/2012 01:04:10 GMT Daylight Time,
_acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) writes:

My theory is now that the wireless keys are sending a radio signals
throughout the house.

But why wasn't it doing that before? Very confused, and getting rather
desperate actually.
Someone also recently suggested to me that there are "hidden GPS modes"
that remain active.
Sort of a conspiracy theory, not sure I'm buying that.

Also, someone in this group wrote me a long response about laying metal
around my walls
to prevent signals. I accidentally deleted that email, feel free to send
it again to the group.
Sorry!

Paul

________________________________
From: Poker Addict <__acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) >
To: "__eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) "
<__eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) >
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

I had my Dad leave the car somewhere else last night...

I had no muscle pain and slept extremely well for 9 hours!

It is DEFINITELY the car that is the problem.

Your theories are possibly correct, that something to do with the alarm
system and GPS was activated,
I have to talk to Lexus about this and try to figure it out.

Not sure about the microwave alarm system, but that has been on since we
bought the car a year ago,
so I doubt that is it.

If anyone has any specialized knowledge in this area, please let me know.

________________________________
From: "__paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) " <__paulpjc@aol.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) >
To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) )
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 3:53 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

I find that as an Esser I am extremely suspicious of new hi tech toys this
probably gives me an additional heightened sense of awareness, like a
hound
dog that goes on a sniffing fest, when they are newly introduced into my
home environment, which your sensitive ES body is all to familiar with.
sadly I suspect this goes with the territory and once triggered it will
take a
while for your tolerance levels to steady down again. That said when the
Gps was given your address is it possible that this triggers some other
form
of transmission related to the vehicle, for tracking or advertising ??!
the
only way to test for this is to analyses emissions from the car. I dont
suppose it has a microwave alarm system installed does it ? Nevertheless
it
maybe that you are simply on guard given that your personal address
details were entered into the vehicle gps.- could you try to put a
mylar/emergency blanket over the car at night for a while ?

I too have issues with vehicle EMR - I recently purchased a Honda HRV on a
1999 plate thinking it would be low tech, but hey big mistake I drive a
couple of miles in it and want to get out of it and give it a good
kicking, I
am now back in my fiat not as jazzy looking but tolerable.

Paul - puk

In a message dated 21/09/2012 06:08:02 GMT Daylight Time,
__muertter@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_muertter@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) writes:

Hi Paul,

The GPS unit itself doesn't send out any signals, it only receives signals
from satellites. I know that some smartphones with GPS also use WiFi and
cell signals to increase accuracy. Maybe that navigation system does the
same in which case it might also transmit some signals, but only if the
car is
on. Were you already sensitive to microwaves? Maybe you became sensitized
when the unit was first turned on. Or maybe it was just a coincidence and
something else is causing the problem. Try parking the car somewhere else
for one night.

Rolf

On Sep 20, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Poker Addict wrote:

> Hey everybody,
>
> You might remember me, I've been a long time member of this group and
suffer from CFS/CFIDS and also EMF sensitivity
>
> My
> father got a Lexus recently, and I always sleep in the room next to it.
It
> has been fine for about a year, but a few days ago, my brother
> programmed the GPS navigation system with our home address and I got
> very sick that night. I think it was probably activating the GPS signal
> that did it, it felt like waves of radiation were hitting me.
>
> We took it to the Lexus dealer and they reset all
> the data and factory settings back to what it was originally, deleting
> everything my brother did. A few hours later, I still felt sick from
> it, and I haven't slept well in 3 nights.
>
> Anyone have any idea what is causing this, and why can't I seem to fix
it?
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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PUK

Re: Car GPS is making me sick!

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yes I aggree I am so battle worn here that I am less discerning these days
regarding the effects of cell phone polling signals, I have been known to
alert a person within seconds of their phone going off if I can bleat the
words out quick enough, a number of years ago I could complain if you had one
in your pocket in my house but I am some what punch drunk here, and my
biggest fear is that I am loosing my short term memory from tolerating this
ongoing harm, I do my best to mitigate exposure but work is the problem -

I know that some smart phones dont switch off, I was referring to older
models - we have no smart phones in our home if we did they would be banished
to the car boot !!!!

puk

In a message dated 25/09/2012 19:33:41 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I am sorry, but I must disagree here.

Many electrosensitives do experience troubles when a cell phone is in the
house.
(Because many cell phones keep in contact with the mpbile phone masts, and
therefore are sending corresponding signals.)
The only way to avoid this, is keeping the phone in an isolation box.

I do know of a person, who willhave allergic reactions all over his body
within 10 minutes, when a visitor does have a phone in his pocket, ans also
when it is switched off.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Emsisoft

----- Original Message -----
From: _paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

my message is on this mail just scroll down, as far as cell phones are
concerned I make sure that they are never switched on in the house so no
box n
eeded.

puk

In a message dated 25/09/2012 19:15:46 GMT Daylight Time,
_acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) writes:

Has putting your cell phones in tin boxes helped to stop the radiation and
signals?

Paul, I think you were the one who wrote me a long message which I
accidentally deleted, maybe
you could re-send?

Sorry..

________________________________
From: "__paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) " <__paulpjc@aol.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) >
To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) )
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

if its the keys then stick them in a tin box ! also the car may be acting
like a RF re-radiator being a large metal object - is it picking up on
some
new RF emission and refelecting it ?

puk

In a message dated 25/09/2012 01:04:10 GMT Daylight Time,
__acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) writes:

My theory is now that the wireless keys are sending a radio signals
throughout the house.

But why wasn't it doing that before? Very confused, and getting rather
desperate actually.
Someone also recently suggested to me that there are "hidden GPS modes"
that remain active.
Sort of a conspiracy theory, not sure I'm buying that.

Also, someone in this group wrote me a long response about laying metal
around my walls
to prevent signals. I accidentally deleted that email, feel free to send
it again to the group.
Sorry!

Paul

________________________________
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(mailto:__acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) )
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Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

I had my Dad leave the car somewhere else last night...

I had no muscle pain and slept extremely well for 9 hours!

It is DEFINITELY the car that is the problem.

Your theories are possibly correct, that something to do with the alarm
system and GPS was activated,
I have to talk to Lexus about this and try to figure it out.

Not sure about the microwave alarm system, but that has been on since we
bought the car a year ago,
so I doubt that is it.

If anyone has any specialized knowledge in this area, please let me know.

________________________________
From: "___paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:__paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) _
(mailto:__paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) ) " <___paulpjc@aol.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:__paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) _
(mailto:__paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) ) >
To: ___eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:__eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) _
(mailto:__eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) )
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 3:53 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

I find that as an Esser I am extremely suspicious of new hi tech toys this
probably gives me an additional heightened sense of awareness, like a
hound
dog that goes on a sniffing fest, when they are newly introduced into my
home environment, which your sensitive ES body is all to familiar with.
sadly I suspect this goes with the territory and once triggered it will
take a
while for your tolerance levels to steady down again. That said when the
Gps was given your address is it possible that this triggers some other
form
of transmission related to the vehicle, for tracking or advertising ??!
the
only way to test for this is to analyses emissions from the car. I dont
suppose it has a microwave alarm system installed does it ? Nevertheless
it
maybe that you are simply on guard given that your personal address
details were entered into the vehicle gps.- could you try to put a
mylar/emergency blanket over the car at night for a while ?

I too have issues with vehicle EMR - I recently purchased a Honda HRV on a
1999 plate thinking it would be low tech, but hey big mistake I drive a
couple of miles in it and want to get out of it and give it a good
kicking, I
am now back in my fiat not as jazzy looking but tolerable.

Paul - puk

In a message dated 21/09/2012 06:08:02 GMT Daylight Time,
___muertter@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:__muertter@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) _
(mailto:__muertter@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_muertter@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) ) writes:

Hi Paul,

The GPS unit itself doesn't send out any signals, it only receives signals
from satellites. I know that some smartphones with GPS also use WiFi and
cell signals to increase accuracy. Maybe that navigation system does the
same in which case it might also transmit some signals, but only if the
car is
on. Were you already sensitive to microwaves? Maybe you became sensitized
when the unit was first turned on. Or maybe it was just a coincidence and
something else is causing the problem. Try parking the car somewhere else
for one night.

Rolf

On Sep 20, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Poker Addict wrote:

> Hey everybody,
>
> You might remember me, I've been a long time member of this group and
suffer from CFS/CFIDS and also EMF sensitivity
>
> My
> father got a Lexus recently, and I always sleep in the room next to it.
It

Poker Addict

Re: Car GPS is making me sick!

In reply to this post by PUK

My brother visited and brought his I-phone. I found that even when it was switched off, it
made me very sick.

Some people are telling me that the GPS stops receiving signals when its off, and other
people are telling me the exact opposite.

Who is correct?

________________________________
From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

my message is on this mail just scroll down, as far as cell phones are
concerned I make sure that they are never switched on in the house so no box n
eeded.

puk

In a message dated 25/09/2012 19:15:46 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Has putting your cell phones in tin boxes helped to stop the radiation and
signals?

Paul, I think you were the one who wrote me a long message which I
accidentally deleted, maybe
you could re-send?

Sorry..

________________________________
From: "_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) " <_paulpjc@aol.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) >
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

if its the keys then stick them in a tin box ! also the car may be acting
like a RF re-radiator being a large metal object - is it picking up on
some
new RF emission and refelecting it ?

puk

In a message dated 25/09/2012 01:04:10 GMT Daylight Time,
_acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) writes:

My theory is now that the wireless keys are sending a radio signals
throughout the house.

But why wasn't it doing that before? Very confused, and getting rather
desperate actually.
Someone also recently suggested to me that there are "hidden GPS modes"
that remain active.
Sort of a conspiracy theory, not sure I'm buying that.

Also, someone in this group wrote me a long response about laying metal
around my walls
to prevent signals. I accidentally deleted that email, feel free to send
it again to the group.
Sorry!

Paul

________________________________
From: Poker Addict <__acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) >
To: "__eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) "
<__eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) >
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

I had my Dad leave the car somewhere else last night...

I had no muscle pain and slept extremely well for 9 hours!

It is DEFINITELY the car that is the problem.

Your theories are possibly correct, that something to do with the alarm
system and GPS was activated,
I have to talk to Lexus about this and try to figure it out.

Not sure about the microwave alarm system, but that has been on since we
bought the car a year ago,
so I doubt that is it.

If anyone has any specialized knowledge in this area, please let me know.

________________________________
From: "__paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) " <__paulpjc@aol.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) >
To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) )
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 3:53 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

I find that as an Esser I am extremely suspicious of new hi tech toys this
probably gives me an additional heightened sense of awareness, like a
hound
dog that goes on a sniffing fest, when they are newly introduced into my
home environment, which your sensitive ES body is all to familiar with.
sadly I suspect this goes with the territory and once triggered it will
take a
while for your tolerance levels to steady down again. That said when the
Gps was given your address is it possible that this triggers some other
form
of transmission related to the vehicle, for tracking or advertising ??!
the
only way to test for this is to analyses emissions from the car. I dont
suppose it has a microwave alarm system installed does it ? Nevertheless
it
maybe that you are simply on guard given that your personal address
details were entered into the vehicle gps.- could you try to put a
mylar/emergency blanket over the car at night for a while ?

I too have issues with vehicle EMR - I recently purchased a Honda HRV on a
1999 plate thinking it would be low tech, but hey big mistake I drive a
couple of miles in it and want to get out of it and give it a good
kicking, I
am now back in my fiat not as jazzy looking but tolerable.

Paul - puk

In a message dated 21/09/2012 06:08:02 GMT Daylight Time,
__muertter@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_muertter@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) writes:

Hi Paul,

The GPS unit itself doesn't send out any signals, it only receives signals
from satellites. I know that some smartphones with GPS also use WiFi and
cell signals to increase accuracy. Maybe that navigation system does the
same in which case it might also transmit some signals, but only if the
car is
on. Were you already sensitive to microwaves? Maybe you became sensitized
when the unit was first turned on. Or maybe it was just a coincidence and
something else is causing the problem. Try parking the car somewhere else
for one night.

Rolf

On Sep 20, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Poker Addict wrote:

> Hey everybody,
>
> You might remember me, I've been a long time member of this group and
suffer from CFS/CFIDS and also EMF sensitivity
>
> My
> father got a Lexus recently, and I always sleep in the room next to it.
It

Poker Addict

Re: Car GPS is making me sick!

In reply to this post by PUK

So the key question is of course, are car GPS systems the same way?

Maybe now that its been "activated", it will never stop receiving signals, even when off.

________________________________
From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

yes I aggree I am so battle worn here that I am less discerning these days
regarding the effects of cell phone polling signals, I have been known to
alert a person within seconds of their phone going off if I can bleat the
words out quick enough, a number of years ago I could complain if you had one
in your pocket in my house but I am some what punch drunk here, and my
biggest fear is that I am loosing my short term memory from tolerating this
ongoing harm, I do my best to mitigate exposure but work is the problem -

I know that some smart phones dont switch off, I was referring to older
models - we have no smart phones in our home if we did they would be banished
to the car boot !!!!

puk

In a message dated 25/09/2012 19:33:41 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I am sorry, but I must disagree here.

Many electrosensitives do experience troubles when a cell phone is in the
house.
(Because many cell phones keep in contact with the mpbile phone masts, and
therefore are sending corresponding signals.)
The only way to avoid this, is keeping the phone in an isolation box.

I do know of a person, who willhave allergic reactions all over his body
within 10 minutes, when a visitor does have a phone in his pocket, ans also
when it is switched off.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Emsisoft

----- Original Message -----
From: _paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

my message is on this mail just scroll down, as far as cell phones are
concerned I make sure that they are never switched on in the house so no
box n
eeded.

puk

In a message dated 25/09/2012 19:15:46 GMT Daylight Time,
_acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) writes:

Has putting your cell phones in tin boxes helped to stop the radiation and
signals?

Paul, I think you were the one who wrote me a long message which I
accidentally deleted, maybe
you could re-send?

Sorry..

________________________________
From: "__paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) " <__paulpjc@aol.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) >
To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) )
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

if its the keys then stick them in a tin box ! also the car may be acting
like a RF re-radiator being a large metal object - is it picking up on
some
new RF emission and refelecting it ?

puk

In a message dated 25/09/2012 01:04:10 GMT Daylight Time,
__acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) writes:

My theory is now that the wireless keys are sending a radio signals
throughout the house.

But why wasn't it doing that before? Very confused, and getting rather
desperate actually.
Someone also recently suggested to me that there are "hidden GPS modes"
that remain active.
Sort of a conspiracy theory, not sure I'm buying that.

Also, someone in this group wrote me a long response about laying metal
around my walls
to prevent signals. I accidentally deleted that email, feel free to send
it again to the group.
Sorry!

Paul

________________________________
From: Poker Addict <___acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:__acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) )
_
(mailto:__acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) )
>
To: "___eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:__eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) _
(mailto:__eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) ) "
<___eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:__eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) _
(mailto:__eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) ) >
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

I had my Dad leave the car somewhere else last night...

I had no muscle pain and slept extremely well for 9 hours!

It is DEFINITELY the car that is the problem.

Your theories are possibly correct, that something to do with the alarm
system and GPS was activated,
I have to talk to Lexus about this and try to figure it out.

Not sure about the microwave alarm system, but that has been on since we
bought the car a year ago,
so I doubt that is it.

If anyone has any specialized knowledge in this area, please let me know.

________________________________
From: "___paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:__paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) _
(mailto:__paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) ) " <___paulpjc@aol.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:__paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) _
(mailto:__paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) ) >
To: ___eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:__eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) _
(mailto:__eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) )
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 3:53 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

I find that as an Esser I am extremely suspicious of new hi tech toys this
probably gives me an additional heightened sense of awareness, like a
hound
dog that goes on a sniffing fest, when they are newly introduced into my
home environment, which your sensitive ES body is all to familiar with.
sadly I suspect this goes with the territory and once triggered it will
take a
while for your tolerance levels to steady down again. That said when the
Gps was given your address is it possible that this triggers some other
form
of transmission related to the vehicle, for tracking or advertising ??!
the
only way to test for this is to analyses emissions from the car. I dont
suppose it has a microwave alarm system installed does it ? Nevertheless
it
maybe that you are simply on guard given that your personal address
details were entered into the vehicle gps.- could you try to put a
mylar/emergency blanket over the car at night for a while ?

I too have issues with vehicle EMR - I recently purchased a Honda HRV on a
1999 plate thinking it would be low tech, but hey big mistake I drive a
couple of miles in it and want to get out of it and give it a good
kicking, I
am now back in my fiat not as jazzy looking but tolerable.

Paul - puk

In a message dated 21/09/2012 06:08:02 GMT Daylight Time,
___muertter@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:__muertter@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) _
(mailto:__muertter@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _
(mailto:_muertter@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) ) writes:

Hi Paul,

The GPS unit itself doesn't send out any signals, it only receives signals
from satellites. I know that some smartphones with GPS also use WiFi and
cell signals to increase accuracy. Maybe that navigation system does the
same in which case it might also transmit some signals, but only if the
car is
on. Were you already sensitive to microwaves? Maybe you became sensitized
when the unit was first turned on. Or maybe it was just a coincidence and
something else is causing the problem. Try parking the car somewhere else
for one night.

Rolf

On Sep 20, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Poker Addict wrote:

> Hey everybody,
>
> You might remember me, I've been a long time member of this group and
suffer from CFS/CFIDS and also EMF sensitivity
>
> My
> father got a Lexus recently, and I always sleep in the room next to it.
It

Marc Martin

Re: Car GPS is making me sick!

Administrator

In reply to this post by Poker Addict

On September 27, Poker Addict <[hidden email]> wrote:
> My brother visited and brought his I-phone. I found that even when it was switched off, it
> made me very sick.

And I guess that the iPhone has no battery to remove out of it?

I guess you could try "airplane mode" and see if that helps any...

Fortunately, you can still buy phones that are truly "off" when you
turn them off. But these wouldn't be "Smart Phones".

Marc

Poker Addict

Re: Car GPS is making me sick!

Just curious, what is different about the Smart Phones? Do they have some added micro-chip or something
that keeps them on?

________________________________
From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

On September 27, Poker Addict <[hidden email]> wrote:
> My brother visited and brought his I-phone. I found that even when it was switched off, it
> made me very sick.

And I guess that the iPhone has no battery to remove out of it?

I guess you could try "airplane mode" and see if that helps any...

Fortunately, you can still buy phones that are truly "off" when you
turn them off. But these wouldn't be "Smart Phones".

Marc

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Marc Martin

Re: Car GPS is making me sick!

Administrator

On September 27, Poker Addict <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Just curious, what is different about the Smart Phones? Do they have some added micro-chip or something
> that keeps them on?

I'm no expert on Smart Phones (not owning one). It might just
be that the GPS is still active even when the phone is turned off.
However, there may still be a way to turn off the GPS -- I noticed
online that there is a way to do this for the iPhone... you just
need to go in and change the location tracking settings via
the settings menu.

Marc

Poker Addict

Re: Car GPS is making me sick!

I'm assuming that the GPS on the Lexus doesn't have location tracking unless
you installed some sort of LO-JACK system or one of those things to prevent
theft.

The car is parked right now in the garage and I feel TERRIBLE... definitely
some sort of signals going on.

I deleted all the personal data 3 times, and even changed our home location
to another state, and still no luck...

Really out of ideas right now.

________________________________
From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

On September 27, Poker Addict <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Just curious, what is different about the Smart Phones? Do they have some added micro-chip or something
> that keeps them on?

I'm no expert on Smart Phones (not owning one). It might just
be that the GPS is still active even when the phone is turned off.
However, there may still be a way to turn off the GPS -- I noticed
online that there is a way to do this for the iPhone... you just
need to go in and change the location tracking settings via
the settings menu.

Marc

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Poker Addict

Measuring GPS signals

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

I'm still getting really sick from the Lexus... even when the car is turned off.

It is either the GPS signal OR the wireless electronic key. It can't possibly be anything else.

Is there a way to either the radio strength signal from the key, or the strength of the GPS
signal from the car?

If I could measure either one of these, I might be onto something.

Thanks,
Paul

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

PUK

Re: Measuring GPS signals

apart from the car has anything else changed of late - physically,
mentally/emotionally that might be hieghtening your response to the car/gps event
? A simple battery powered AM radio set to end of the dial 1600khz and back
the other end as well can often reveal low frequency hash coming from
wiring, objects, appliances to. But like I said put the wireless key in a tin
box/and or cover it in tin foil take it well away from the vehicle. Try the
AM radio in and around the car, all else fails find another sleeping
arrangement for a while as a control to rule out the car issue - ps they have
not gone 4g in your area yet or smart metered have they - the car if close by
could be acting as a re-radiating metal body for such signals ??
all else fails you may consider calling in an EMF expert but that will be
costly.

puk

In a message dated 28/09/2012 05:51:13 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I'm still getting really sick from the Lexus... even when the car is
turned off.

It is either the GPS signal OR the wireless electronic key. It can't
possibly be anything else.

Is there a way to either the radio strength signal from the key, or the
strength of the GPS
signal from the car?

If I could measure either one of these, I might be onto something.

Thanks,
Paul

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

PUK

Re: Car GPS is making me sick!

In reply to this post by Poker Addict

I understand anecdotally, that they run on in the background and are still
capable of transmitting when you have powered down as the switch you use to
turn off the device is simply sending a digital instruction to the mother
board on the phone its not a current breaker as such - I understand that
the Iphones can be used as repeaters for other phones on the network nearby
too piggyback off so as to boost the signal I suppose it creates a fail
safe mesh if signal strength from the main cell towers drop - these devise are
merely evolved 2 way microwave radios with lots of toys thrown in.

puk

In a message dated 28/09/2012 05:38:16 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I'm assuming that the GPS on the Lexus doesn't have location tracking
unless
you installed some sort of LO-JACK system or one of those things to prevent
theft.

The car is parked right now in the garage and I feel TERRIBLE... definitely
some sort of signals going on.

I deleted all the personal data 3 times, and even changed our home location
to another state, and still no luck...

Really out of ideas right now.

________________________________
From: Marc Martin <_marc@ufoseries.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Car GPS is making me sick!

On September 27, Poker Addict <_acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) > wrote:
> Just curious, what is different about the Smart Phones? Do they have
some added micro-chip or something
> that keeps them on?

I'm no expert on Smart Phones (not owning one). It might just
be that the GPS is still active even when the phone is turned off.
However, there may still be a way to turn off the GPS -- I noticed
online that there is a way to do this for the iPhone... you just
need to go in and change the location tracking settings via
the settings menu.

Marc

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

S Andreason

Re: Measuring GPS signals

In reply to this post by Poker Addict

Hi Paul,

It could be the wireless key. I recommend emptying all pockets of credit
cards if they have the RFID chip in them. Keep them in a Metal box or
container that blocks signals, then put it on the opposite end of your
property. That's how I feel about RFID chips.

More likely, the car has toys in it. When I am unfortunate enough to be
on the road, I have been hearing more and more cars with WiFi in them,
and also something else in the fancy models. Perhaps collision avoidance
and parking assistants, maybe like radar, but in the lower frequencies.

The GPS is by itself only a passive device, at least intentionally. Most
car tracking systems send by GSM or ordinary cell phone channels. The
FedEx vans or semi trucks (lorries) with a dome on the top transmit to
satellite, and that is a different frequency range, and a different
problem to avoid.

Can you determine how far from the Lexus you need to be for the bad
feeling to go down or away?

Have you tried disconnecting the battery, or pulling fuses one at a time?

Obviously it would be faster with a meter... so you can hear immediate
results.
http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html

Best advice is to avoid driving newer cars with any electronic toys.

Stewart

Poker Addict wrote:

>
> I'm still getting really sick from the Lexus... even when the car is turned off.
>
> It is either the GPS signal OR the wireless electronic key. It can't possibly be anything else.
>
> Is there a way to either the radio strength signal from the key, or the strength of the GPS
> signal from the car?
>
> If I could measure either one of these, I might be onto something.
>
>

--
http://seahorseCorral.org

Poker Addict

Re: Measuring GPS signals

In reply to this post by PUK

There is no mental or emotional component... I am rather stable as far as my emotions go,
except for when I get in proximity of these electronic devices, and then i get a lot of
physical pain and also get very worn out mentally.

When the car is parked in the street, and the key is in the house, I have no symptoms.When the car is parked in the garage, I have terrible symptoms.

This would suggest that the problem is coming from the car itself?

If I parked the car in the garage and then drove the key to a remote location, and I'm still sick, would that
rule out that the wireless key is the issue?

________________________________
From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 5:16 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Measuring GPS signals

apart from the car has anything else changed of late - physically,
mentally/emotionally that might be hieghtening your response to the car/gps event
? A simple battery powered AM radio set to end of the dial 1600khz and back
the other end as well can often reveal low frequency hash coming from
wiring, objects, appliances to. But like I said put the wireless key in a tin
box/and or cover it in tin foil take it well away from the vehicle. Try the
AM radio in and around the car, all else fails find another sleeping
arrangement for a while as a control to rule out the car issue - ps they have
not gone 4g in your area yet or smart metered have they - the car if close by
could be acting as a re-radiating metal body for such signals ??
all else fails you may consider calling in an EMF expert but that will be
costly.

puk

In a message dated 28/09/2012 05:51:13 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I'm still getting really sick from the Lexus... even when the car is
turned off.

It is either the GPS signal OR the wireless electronic key. It can't
possibly be anything else.

Is there a way to either the radio strength signal from the key, or the
strength of the GPS
signal from the car?

If I could measure either one of these, I might be onto something.

Thanks,
Paul

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KathyB

Re: Measuring GPS signals

I had the same thing from a 2012 model Ford. The dealer had us try it for the weekend. My meter measured .06 .07 just from being parked in the garage.

I don't know all the options it had, but got .850 plus microwatts per meter squared reading when passing a tower in the drivers seat. I got in the 20's when driving my car by that antenna mounted by the road. I have an 07 w satellite radio disabled. The antenna was not on a tower, might have been a repeater. The car did not have a GPS screen. The high reading came from something near the radio, but as I said, our car does not get that. Could have been picking up something from the IPod doc?? Or the new cars pick up wi-fi some other way?

Kathy

Poker Addict <[hidden email]> wrote:
: Re: [eSens] Measuring GPS signals

There is no mental or emotional component... I am rather stable as far as my emotions go,

except for when I get in proximity of these electronic devices, and then i get a lot of

physical pain and also get very worn out mentally.

When the car is parked in the street, and the key is in the house, I have no symptoms.When the car is parked in the garage, I have terrible symptoms.

This would suggest that the problem is coming from the car itself?

If I parked the car in the garage and then drove the key to a remote location, and I'm still sick, would that

rule out that the wireless key is the issue?

________________________________

From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>

To: [hidden email]

Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 5:16 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Measuring GPS signals

apart from the car has anything else changed of late - physically,

mentally/emotionally that might be hieghtening your response to the car/gps event

? A simple battery powered AM radio set to end of the dial 1600khz and back

the other end as well can often reveal low frequency hash coming from

wiring, objects, appliances to. But like I said put the wireless key in a tin

box/and or cover it in tin foil take it well away from the vehicle. Try the

AM radio in and around the car, all else fails find another sleeping

arrangement for a while as a control to rule out the car issue - ps they have

not gone 4g in your area yet or smart metered have they - the car if close by

could be acting as a re-radiating metal body for such signals ??

all else fails you may consider calling in an EMF expert but that will be

costly.

puk

In a message dated 28/09/2012 05:51:13 GMT Daylight Time,

[hidden email] writes:

I'm still getting really sick from the Lexus... even when the car is

turned off.

It is either the GPS signal OR the wireless electronic key. It can't

possibly be anything else.

Is there a way to either the radio strength signal from the key, or the

strength of the GPS

signal from the car?

If I could measure either one of these, I might be onto something.

Thanks,

Paul

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KathyB

Re: Measuring GPS signals

In reply to this post by Poker Addict

I should have said .007 parked. Hildeguard Stanniger had a guest on her internet radio show that said they are near using nano technology in glass & plastics that pick up electricity to battery electronics that may be used in cars.

If they are doing that already, we are in trouble. http://www.staningerreport.com/
Listen to the 9/5 show on her website

Kathy

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PUK

Re: Measuring GPS signals

In reply to this post by Poker Addict

Ok the with the physke query aside - I am guessing that the key has a an
RFID type device in the fob that will be activated when it is within the
specified range of the car, it is possible that the key is located within such
a range when stored and maybe handshaking with the car ? so like I said
take it down the garden put it in a tine box or tin foil wrap to rule this
out. There is also the possibility that something is interfering with the cars
electrical circuit, causing it to send out rogue signals, this could be
something that you or your neighbour/s have plugged in such as a DVD player,
plasma TV and so on...

Have you not tried to measure the car and vicinity as suggested previously
?

One of the problems I find with ES is that instead of getting used to
something and it gradually going away when there is a bad reaction over a period
of time the immune system tags it good and proper and dumps the warning
tag into the you wont fool me next time, file ! so all you are left with to
work on is the psychological response of how you take the hit, you then go
on to develop a tolerance to ongoing harm, because you have to if you
want/need to stay in that environment - its a bad deal and eventually you have to
say enough is enough and leave ! Your ES immune/nervous is telling the
same by giving you the symptoms its trying to preserve the well being of the
organism.

In a message dated 28/09/2012 18:41:06 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

ice in the fob that wull g with the
I had the same thing from a 2012 model Ford. The dealer had us try it for
the weekend. My meter measured .06 .07 just from being parked in the
garage.

I don't know all the options it had, but got .850 plus microwatts per
meter squared reading when passing a tower in the drivers seat. I got in the
20's when driving my car by that antenna mounted by the road. I have an 07 w
satellite radio disabled. The antenna was not on a tower, might have
been a repeater. The car did not have a GPS screen. The high reading came from
something near the radio, but as I said, our car does not get that. Could
have been picking up something from the IPod doc?? Or the new cars pick up
wi-fi some other way?

Kathy

Poker Addict <_acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) > wrote:
: Re: [eSens] Measuring GPS signals

There is no mental or emotional component... I am rather stable as far as
my emotions go,

except for when I get in proximity of these electronic devices, and then i
get a lot of

physical pain and also get very worn out mentally.

When the car is parked in the street, and the key is in the house, I have
no symptoms.When the car is parked in the garage, I have terrible symptoms.

This would suggest that the problem is coming from the car itself?

If I parked the car in the garage and then drove the key to a remote
location, and I'm still sick, would that

rule out that the wireless key is the issue?

________________________________

From: "_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) " <_paulpjc@aol.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) >

To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])

Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 5:16 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Measuring GPS signals

apart from the car has anything else changed of late - physically,

mentally/emotionally that might be hieghtening your response to the
car/gps event

? A simple battery powered AM radio set to end of the dial 1600khz and
back

the other end as well can often reveal low frequency hash coming from

wiring, objects, appliances to. But like I said put the wireless key in a
tin

box/and or cover it in tin foil take it well away from the vehicle. Try
the

AM radio in and around the car, all else fails find another sleeping

arrangement for a while as a control to rule out the car issue - ps they
have

not gone 4g in your area yet or smart metered have they - the car if close
by

could be acting as a re-radiating metal body for such signals ??

all else fails you may consider calling in an EMF expert but that will be

costly.

puk

In a message dated 28/09/2012 05:51:13 GMT Daylight Time,

_acekingsuited06@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) writes:

I'm still getting really sick from the Lexus... even when the car is

turned off.

It is either the GPS signal OR the wireless electronic key. It can't

possibly be anything else.

Is there a way to either the radio strength signal from the key, or the

strength of the GPS

signal from the car?

If I could measure either one of these, I might be onto something.

Thanks,

Paul

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