New to group/Amy

Interesting! I would never have thought to ask a pharmacist. Also about the
zinc & selenium. I can easily add that for myself. Have you ever heard of  
Wilson's thyroid disease? A Dr. Wilson successfully treats many patients  
apparently, but I don't have a Dr. around me that does it.
Amy
 
<Armour. I have a gynecologist who is a DO and they just seem a lot more  
open to more alternative stuff than MD's -- he doesn't like Synthroid and
much prefers Armour. I'm up to 60mg (which is like 100mcg of Synthroid). I
still have some symptoms too, although with each raise I feel a little better.
He also has me taking zinc and selenium -- they both help convert T4 to T3
apparently. Some folks say that selenium also helps lessen the antibody
attack we're getting with the hashimotos. Royal jelly is supposed to help
with that too, although I've never tried it.

Sometimes the best way to find alternative doctors is to ask pharmacists
-- especially compounding pharmacists. They know who are the docs who can
think outside the box.
Amy>



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Amy -- I have heard about Dr. Wilson's temp syndrome. He uses T3, but I don't really know any details. My doctor will work with people from phone consults and tests and has patients all over the country. He's a D.O. gynecologist and practices near Pensacola, FL. He's good and treats thyroid by symptoms as well as labs and is great for hormone probs. If you want his name and number, feel free to contact me offline and I'll give you the info. He's the only doctor who has made a difference in my health. Let me know if the zinc and selenium make a difference for you -- cuz they sure did for me!!

: ) Amy




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Interesting! I would never have thought to ask a pharmacist. Also about the
zinc & selenium. I can easily add that for myself. Have you ever heard of
Wilson's thyroid disease? A Dr. Wilson successfully treats many patients
apparently, but I don't have a Dr. around me that does it.
Amy




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> Interesting! I would never have thought to ask a pharmacist.

Another good way to find a good alternative doctor in your
area is to contact the manufacturers of good professional
supplements, and ask them if there are any doctors in your
area which prescribe these supplements.

My last round of looking for alternative doctors was simply
based on calling up STANDARD PROCESS (a maker of professional
supplements) and asking them for the names and phone numbers
of local doctors who use their products.

Marc

Ok, I'll keep that in mind if I do not find a Dr. I like and trust after
the move.
Thank you!
Amy
 
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Amy -- I have heard about Dr. Wilson's temp syndrome. He uses T3, but I
don't really know any details. My doctor will work with people from phone
consults and tests and has patients all over the country. He's a D.O.
gynecologist and practices near Pensacola, FL. He's good and treats thyroid by
symptoms as well as labs and is great for hormone probs. If you want his name
and number, feel free to contact me offline and I'll give you the info. He's
the only doctor who has made a difference in my health. Let me know if the
zinc and selenium make a difference for you -- cuz they sure did for me!!

: ) Amy



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Excellent tip Marc - thanks
 
Steph

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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] New to group/Amy
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 7:07 PM








> Interesting! I would never have thought to ask a pharmacist.

Another good way to find a good alternative doctor in your
area is to contact the manufacturers of good professional
supplements, and ask them if there are any doctors in your
area which prescribe these supplements.

My last round of looking for alternative doctors was simply
based on calling up STANDARD PROCESS (a maker of professional
supplements) and asking them for the names and phone numbers
of local doctors who use their products.

Marc
















     

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Hi, Amy Twins!  ;)
 
Sorry I am joining the conversation late.  I too have had T3 and T4 conversion problems, and did badly on synthroid, but did well on Armour.  But surprisingly enough, I was able to over come hypothyroidism altogether (it appears--I still go for yearly testing to make sure my blood values are in the correct range) by eliminating all soy products and adding nutrients.  I originally thought I recovered solely from removing soy till I saw this bit of info which adds various nutrient deficiencies as contributing to hypothyroidism.  Then I realized I had also, during the same period, addedB and selenium supplements.  Some interesting info:
 
  http://www.holistichealthtopics.com/HMG/thyroid.html
 
Thyroid T3 and T4 conversion problems:
There are many factors which may interfere with thyroxine utilisation or peripheral T4/T3 conversion. These include: stress, chronic illness, heavy metals, drugs ( HRT, beta blockers, steroids, antidiabetic drugs, cholesterollowering drugs, oestrogen etc. ), cigarette smoking, carnitine, alpha lipoic acid, consumption of soy products, and nutritional deficiencies such as selenium, zinc, and vitamin B6 ( 11, 12, 13, 46, 109 ). It must be noted also that adrenal hormones play an important role in T4/T3 conversion and theperipheral utilisation of thyroxine ( 12, 13, 46 ). According to Shames and Shames ( 12 ): "some adrenal hormones assist in the conversion of T4 to T3 and perhaps assist in the final effect of T3 on the tissues. Some scientists believe that even the entrance of thyroid hormone into our cells is under the influence of adrenal hormones." While low levels of cortisol may cause a deficiency of T3 because of reduced conversion from T4 ( 46,
109 ), excessive amounts of cortisol on the other hand, or an elevation ofthe cortisol/DHEA ratio, causes T4 to be converted to reverse T3 ( 46, 52 ). Reverse T3 ( rT3 ) displaces normal T3 from receptors in cells and causes a T3 deficiency ( 46, 52, 53, 109 ). The adrenal hormone DHEA is also involved with the conversion of T4 to T3 ( 51, 52 ). 
 
Diane
--- On Wed, 5/6/09, Amy Green <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Amy Green <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] New to group/Amy
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 3:05 PM








Amy -- I have heard about Dr. Wilson's temp syndrome. He uses T3, but I don't really know any details. My doctor will work with people from phone consults and tests and has patients all over the country. He's a D.O. gynecologist and practices near Pensacola, FL. He's good and treats thyroid by symptoms as well as labs and is great for hormone probs. If you want his name and number, feel free to contact me offline and I'll give you the info. He's the only doctor who has made a difference in my health. Let me know if the zinc and selenium make a difference for you -- cuz they sure did for me!!

: ) Amy

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From: "javamdnss@aol. com" <javamdnss@aol. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 1:39:52 PM
Subject: [eSens] New to group/Amy

Interesting! I would never have thought to ask a pharmacist. Also about the
zinc & selenium. I can easily add that for myself. Have you ever heard of
Wilson's thyroid disease? A Dr. Wilson successfully treats many patients
apparently, but I don't have a Dr. around me that does it.
Amy

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Evie -- that was a good link! I'm curious about your journey with thyroid. I would love to fix my thyroid so I didn't need to take Armour. Would you mind giving more details of how you did it?? How bad was your thyroid? Was it just hypo, or hashimoto's? What supplements did you take and how long did this journey take? Also -- soy seems to be in almost everything -- I don't ever seek it out, but I'm guessing I get a lot from processed foods. How did you get it out of your diet. Sorry for all the questions -- I'm so curious when I hear success stories. I want that too!

Thanks! Amy




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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:42:52 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] New to group/Amy





Hi, Amy Twins! ;)

Sorry I am joining the conversation late. I too have had T3 and T4 conversion problems, and did badly on synthroid, but did well on Armour. But surprisingly enough, I was able to over come hypothyroidism altogether (it appears--I still go for yearly testing to make sure my blood values are in the correct range) by eliminating all soy products and adding nutrients. I originally thought I recovered solely from removing soy till I saw this bit of info which adds various nutrient deficiencies as contributing to hypothyroidism. Then I realized I had also, during the same period, added B and selenium supplements. Some interesting info:

http://www.holistic healthtopics. com/HMG/thyroid. html

Thyroid T3 and T4 conversion problems:
There are many factors which may interfere with thyroxine utilisation or peripheral T4/T3 conversion. These include: stress, chronic illness, heavy metals, drugs ( HRT, beta blockers, steroids, antidiabetic drugs, cholesterol lowering drugs, oestrogen etc. ), cigarette smoking, carnitine, alpha lipoic acid, consumption of soy products, and nutritional deficiencies such as selenium, zinc, and vitamin B6 ( 11, 12, 13, 46, 109 ). It must be noted also that adrenal hormones play an important role in T4/T3 conversion and the peripheral utilisation of thyroxine ( 12, 13, 46 ). According to Shames and Shames ( 12 ): "some adrenal hormones assist in the conversion of T4 to T3 and perhaps assist in the final effect of T3 on the tissues. Some scientists believe that even the entrance of thyroid hormone into our cells is under the influence of adrenal hormones." While low levels of cortisol may cause a deficiency of T3 because of reduced conversion from T4 ( 46,
109 ), excessive amounts of cortisol on the other hand, or an elevation of the cortisol/DHEA ratio, causes T4 to be converted to reverse T3 ( 46, 52 ). Reverse T3 ( rT3 ) displaces normal T3 from receptors in cells and causes a T3 deficiency ( 46, 52, 53, 109 ). The adrenal hormone DHEA is also involved with the conversion of T4 to T3 ( 51, 52 ).

Diane
--- On Wed, 5/6/09, Amy Green <amygreen53@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Amy Green <amygreen53@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] New to group/Amy
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 3:05 PM

Amy -- I have heard about Dr. Wilson's temp syndrome. He uses T3, but I don't really know any details. My doctor will work with people from phone consults and tests and has patients all over the country. He's a D.O. gynecologist and practices near Pensacola, FL. He's good and treats thyroid by symptoms as well as labs and is great for hormone probs. If you want his name and number, feel free to contact me offline and I'll give you the info. He's the only doctor who has made a difference in my health. Let me know if the zinc and selenium make a difference for you -- cuz they sure did for me!!

: ) Amy

____________ _________ _________ __
From: "javamdnss@aol. com" <javamdnss@aol. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 1:39:52 PM
Subject: [eSens] New to group/Amy

Interesting! I would never have thought to ask a pharmacist. Also about the
zinc & selenium. I can easily add that for myself. Have you ever heard of
Wilson's thyroid disease? A Dr. Wilson successfully treats many patients
apparently, but I don't have a Dr. around me that does it.
Amy

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Hi, Marc and All,
 
I replied to this post privately because it was getting more off-topic the further I wrote.  If anyone wants a copy of my reply, tho, I will resend privately to others.  Just ask.
 
Diane

--- On Tue, 5/12/09, Amy Green <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Amy Green <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] New to group/Amy
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 2:32 PM








Evie -- that was a good link! I'm curious about your journey with thyroid. I would love to fix my thyroid so I didn't need to take Armour. Would you mind giving more details of how you did it?? How bad was your thyroid? Was it just hypo, or hashimoto's? What supplements did you take and how long didthis journey take? Also -- soy seems to be in almost everything -- I don'tever seek it out, but I'm guessing I get a lot from processed foods. How did you get it out of your diet. Sorry for all the questions -- I'm so curious when I hear success stories. I want that too!

Thanks! Amy

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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:42:52 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] New to group/Amy

Hi, Amy Twins! ;)

Sorry I am joining the conversation late. I too have had T3 and T4 conversion problems, and did badly on synthroid, but did well on Armour. But surprisingly enough, I was able to over come hypothyroidism altogether (it appears--I still go for yearly testing to make sure my blood values are in the correct range) by eliminating all soy products and adding nutrients. I originally thought I recovered solely from removing soy till I saw this bit of info which adds various nutrient deficiencies as contributing to hypothyroidism. Then I realized I had also, during the same period, added B and selenium supplements. Some interesting info:

http://www.holistic healthtopics. com/HMG/thyroid. html

Thyroid T3 and T4 conversion problems:
There are many factors which may interfere with thyroxine utilisation or peripheral T4/T3 conversion. These include: stress, chronic illness, heavy metals, drugs ( HRT, beta blockers, steroids, antidiabetic drugs, cholesterollowering drugs, oestrogen etc. ), cigarette smoking, carnitine, alpha lipoic acid, consumption of soy products, and nutritional deficiencies such as selenium, zinc, and vitamin B6 ( 11, 12, 13, 46, 109 ). It must be noted also that adrenal hormones play an important role in T4/T3 conversion and theperipheral utilisation of thyroxine ( 12, 13, 46 ). According to Shames and Shames ( 12 ): "some adrenal hormones assist in the conversion of T4 to T3 and perhaps assist in the final effect of T3 on the tissues. Some scientists believe that even the entrance of thyroid hormone into our cells is under the influence of adrenal hormones." While low levels of cortisol may cause a deficiency of T3 because of reduced conversion from T4 ( 46,
109 ), excessive amounts of cortisol on the other hand, or an elevation of the cortisol/DHEA ratio, causes T4 to be converted to reverse T3 ( 46, 52 ). Reverse T3 ( rT3 ) displaces normal T3 from receptors in cells and causesa T3 deficiency ( 46, 52, 53, 109 ). The adrenal hormone DHEA is also involved with the conversion of T4 to T3 ( 51, 52 ).

Diane
--- On Wed, 5/6/09, Amy Green <amygreen53@ yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Amy Green <amygreen53@ yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] New to group/Amy
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 3:05 PM

Amy -- I have heard about Dr. Wilson's temp syndrome. He uses T3, but I don't really know any details. My doctor will work with people from phone consults and tests and has patients all over the country. He's a D.O. gynecologist and practices near Pensacola, FL. He's good and treats thyroid by symptoms as well as labs and is great for hormone probs. If you want his name and number, feel free to contact me offline and I'll give you the info. He's the only doctor who has made a difference in my health. Let me know if the zinc and selenium make a difference for you -- cuz they sure did for me!!

: ) Amy

____________ _________ _________ __
From: "javamdnss@aol. com" <javamdnss@aol. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 1:39:52 PM
Subject: [eSens] New to group/Amy

Interesting! I would never have thought to ask a pharmacist. Also about the
zinc & selenium. I can easily add that for myself. Have you ever heard of
Wilson's thyroid disease? A Dr. Wilson successfully treats many patients
apparently, but I don't have a Dr. around me that does it.
Amy

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