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R. Ticle

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

As a guess that sounds like Graham Stetzer filters to filter dirty electricity, and measurements taken with a Microsurge meter; but, I'm not sure. Only the mention of numbers made me think that, and that "plugged in all around the house" comment. Seems like it to me, but correct me if I'm wrong?

R.

--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Heather Bain <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Heather Bain <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
To: [hidden email]
Received: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 3:59 PM

I do not know what was used. It was something they plugged into the light sockets all around the house. They said it should not be above 300 and was in the 1000's. in this one wall socket. They said to just change the wall socket out. We did that but I'm not sure if it has helped because the detoxing is exaceberating my symptoms. I have slept two nights in a rowthough since I've seen the doc. He put me on Min Tran which is a magnesium, iodine supplement, plus I am doing the detox, he gave me zypan and digest for digestion, parotid pmg for liver and Drenotrophin for my adrenals, Thytrophin and B-12 with trace minereals for my thyroid. He also gave me a homeopathic called visceral polarity that seems to help with my panicking andmy sensitivity.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "lessemf.com" <lessemf@... > wrote:

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> I had someone come out to test indoor air quality and found that there was

> alot of electrical output in one of my wall sockets that he tested with a

> nanometer. We changed the wall socket but I don't know if it did any good.

> He wants to charge me to come back out and test it. Any suggestions?

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> Hi Heather,

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> I know all this electromagnetic- speak can be confusing, but can you clarify

> what was found and what meter was used? That will determine what to do next.

> Was magnetic field measured? With a gaussmeter?

> Or was electric field measured? With an electric field meter?

> Or was high frequency noise measured? With a plug-in Stetzer meter?

>

> Emil

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evie15422

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

In reply to this post by Heather Bain

hi, Marc,

good question! lol i wish i knew the answer! i cannot tell. i go out some days with it and some days without it (the Companion). some days i am perfectly fine either way and other days i am in perfect agony either way--sometimes in the same areas. for instance, we went to a state park last weekend and i was far worse with it on than not, but i was bad both ways--among other es symptoms, i got bad shocks in my ankles and injured hand during the car ride to the park. there was an approaching weatherfront and a fairly bad air inversion at the time. after i was near the water awhile i was fine--with the Q-companion off. during the time therethe front passed and the inversion lifted. the ride home was fine, but while at the park i had spent a several hours grounding myself. the weekbefore, we went to the same park by the same roads and i used the Q-companion and did well the entire time.

i am wondering whether the nerve damage to my hand is somehow playing into my es reactions out of the house. my reactions at home--at both houses--is fine but i react often when we open doors and windows at the newer housewhere the Pro is. i think my supplement combo actually does more for methan the Q-Companion out of the house. i have only had the Companion 3 weeks tho. i need to do more experimenting. but as of today, i amnot happy with the results.

d

--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 8:29 PM

> i am also trying out the "Quantum Companion" for when i
> leave home, but so far i'm not liking it.

Are you not liking it because it's not strong enough to
make a difference, or is causing some kind of adverse
reaction?

Marc

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evie15422

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

In reply to this post by Heather Bain

hi, Loni,

i was told by the Quantum rep that i might in time "max out" my current Q-Pro device. she said at that time, i would have to use another device as a booster--either another Pro, a Q-Home, several 3 prong conditioners, or a Q-companion, etc. are you sure your location did not max out yourdevice due to all the towers near-by? when i told the rep i had my Pro turned 3/4 up, she said i'd likely max it out if we do as we planned and put in an office/media room in our garage. at this time the garage isn't even wired. (we are looking at keeping that room separate as possible tho, so i was intending to put another device there all along.) i was asking questions about add-ons like porches, etc.

d

--- On Tue, 6/23/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:50 PM

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Loni <loni326@... > wrote:
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> Hey Sandra, Can you keep us informed about how the Earthcalm & filtersare working. I tried the Earthcalm & initially felt relief but it did hot last. I had all these cell antennas arount however. I am thinking about trying the filters. What is the difference in these two things???

Hi Loni

That is too bad that EartCalm did not last for you. I think Marc did not have a great experience with it either.
I think the difference between EartCalm ans Stetzer is that EarthCalm dealswith RF that comes from cell phones towers but Stetzer filters do not. Thecomment from my EMF consultant was that Stetzer filters allow less dirty electricity coming through the house electrical wirring and outlets. So supposedly if I have these filters around me I will have less of an electromagnetic load on my body. He claims that the ES problem is of a cumulative nature. So I guess more sources you eliminate the better it should be. However I am such a rookie here that I have no idea if that is relevant.

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> I installed window tint from Germany to shield the RF in my home & it is a LOT better. So now I feel like I can address the rest of the dirty electricity in here. I am still not able to sleep here but I am hopefull!!!!

Now that is a major step, I might consider that window tint thing too. Which brand did you get and did you install it yourself?

Thanks
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Sandra

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> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 8:39 AM
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> Heather, Earthcalm Plug in device 14 circuits changed my energy level right away. I plugged it in all the way not in steps, following their instructions. I know I am bad but that is my ingrained all or nothing attitude. I do not recommend that. I am able to walk and work as opposed to being sofa ridden 50 percent of the time. Ifeel that I still have some heart palpitations but I am trying to understand if it is because of the EarthCalm or I am overdoing it in front of my computer reading about ES stuff, way too much... I am not not healed but it was a step in the right direction.As far as Earthclam goes it is 90 days money back so YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE. I have another 50 days to go myself.
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> Others in this group are perhaps aware of this fellow Gillian Joy but to me he is like a mental anchor. If he can, so can I. Not to mention that I had exactly the same list of symptoms as he did and that he had some original relief with Earthcalm stuff too.
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> For me and I beleive many of us, this ES had been a major money drain in just a short of period of time, but I have seen some improvement. I amthinking, it is my health here and if I do not give it my 100% I will regret it. I am not sure if it is also common in English but in Croatian we say "A healthy person has many desires, but a sick one has only one."
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> From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Received: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 7:18 AM
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> > Thanks! I talked to my doctor and he believes that that is whats going
> > on. Do those outlet things help that you plug into your home? He
> > suggested one of those to help with it.
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> The outlet things *can* help, depending on whichever product you would
> react favorably to (which we really cannot predict in advance), and if
> you happen to try that particular product... :-)
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> I'd guess that based on the feedback over the years, you might want
> to try the Graham-Stetzer filters, or something from Quantum Products,
> or one of the Earthcalm plug-ins. There are also plugins from BioPro,
> but I think the only positive feedback I've seen about these are
> second-hand, not actually anyone who is subscribed to this group,
> unless they'd like to speakup now... :-)
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Marc Martin

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

Administrator

> i was told by the Quantum rep that i might in time "max out" my
> current Q-Pro device.

That's assuming that your environment gets worse, and your
sensitivity remains the same. If you do things to improve your
health (as you are already doing), then your sensitivity will
diminish, and you may actually be able to get away with fewer items
from Quantum Products, not more.

Marc

evie15422

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

In reply to this post by Heather Bain

hi, Heather,

you need to determine what you are taking for detoxing and consider cuttingdown on it. we get no gold stars for driving ourselves crazy trying to get toxins out. j/k if you are so bad you can barely cope, you are detoxing too fast. get with your doctor and try to get his help reconfiguring your regimen to have a more tolerable outcome.

d

--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Heather Bain <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Heather Bain <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 11:59 AM

I do not know what was used. It was something they plugged into the light sockets all around the house. They said it should not be above 300 and was in the 1000's. in this one wall socket. They said to just change the wall socket out. We did that but I'm not sure if it has helped because the detoxing is exaceberating my symptoms. I have slept two nights in a row though since I've seen the doc. He put me on Min Tran which is a magnesium, iodine supplement, plus I am doing the detox, he gave me zypan and digest for digestion, parotid pmg for liver and Drenotrophin for my adrenals, Thytrophin andB-12 with trace minereals for my thyroid. He also gave me a homeopathic called visceral polarity that seems to help with my panicking and my sensitivity.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "lessemf.com" <lessemf@... > wrote:

>
>
> I had someone come out to test indoor air quality and found that there was
> alot of electrical output in one of my wall sockets that he tested with a
> nanometer. We changed the wall socket but I don't know if it did any good.
> He wants to charge me to come back out and test it. Any suggestions?
>
> Hi Heather,
>
> I know all this electromagnetic- speak can be confusing, but can you clarify
> what was found and what meter was used? That will determine what to do next.
> Was magnetic field measured? With a gaussmeter?
> Or was electric field measured? With an electric field meter?
> Or was high frequency noise measured? With a plug-in Stetzer meter?
>
> Emil
>

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Marc Martin

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

Administrator

In reply to this post by evie15422

> i go out some days with it and some days without it (the Companion).
> some days i am perfectly fine either way and other days i am in
> perfect agony either way--sometimes in the same areas. for instance,
> we went to a state park last weekend and i was far worse with it on
> than not

I personally find that the Quantum Products items are best used when in
a high EMF environment. So I would personally not use it all in a state
park. However, if I were to go into a grocery store then I would find
it beneficial to be turned on while I'm in the store.

All EMF devices can cause problems if you overuse them. Finding out
when and how they should be used is a trial & error process, but more is
not necessarily better. And one of the nice advantages of the Quantum
Products is that they do have an "off" switch, while many devices are
permanently "on", whether you want them to be or not.

I do recall that when I was using the Quantum Products more than I am
now, that I was more likely to get shocks when using them than when not.
I solved this problem by both cutting back my usage a bit and also
wearing static dissipative shoes.

Also, one of my longterm problems after my bad experience with the ionic
footbath is bloating/gas after eating. I find that excess use of Quantum
Products makes the bloating worse (while Springlife polarizers make the
bloating better).

So it may be that the Quantum Companion is not your perfect "on the
road" device. But there are plenty of other options to try, and most of
them are cheaper than the Quantum Companion. :-)

Personally, I think you try out this item while on the road -- it's
only $22, which is a bargain since I sometimes favor it over devices
costing 10 times more:

http://cutcat.com/item.php?item_id=827

Marc

evie15422

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

In reply to this post by Heather Bain

hi Marc,

yes, i hadn't thought of that, but that stands to reason! i was mentioning this mainly due to Loni saying her Earthcalm device stopped working. when Margi told me that, we were discussing adding a porch and deck and themedia room. i was asking if the Pro would continue to work as is and she said no, it changes according to the amount of space it is used in, changes in inside and outside emfs....

d
--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 2:20 PM

> i was told by the Quantum rep that i might in time "max out" my
> current Q-Pro device.

That's assuming that your environment gets worse, and your
sensitivity remains the same. If you do things to improve your
health (as you are already doing), then your sensitivity will
diminish, and you may actually be able to get away with fewer items
from Quantum Products, not more.

Marc

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evie15422

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

In reply to this post by Heather Bain

sorry Heather,

i misread your statement that you slept 2 nights in a row since your treatment began. i thought you were saying you HAVEN'T slept 2 nights in a row. that would have indicated you were doing worse and needed to cut down on your detoxing.

sorry--disregard what i wrote earlier.
d

--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 2:25 PM

hi, Heather,

you need to determine what you are taking for detoxing and consider cuttingdown on it. we get no gold stars for driving ourselves crazy trying to get toxins out. j/k if you are so bad you can barely cope, you are detoxing too fast. get with your doctor and try to get his help reconfiguring your regimen to have a more tolerable outcome.

d

--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Heather Bain <hcbain2@bellsouth. net> wrote:

From: Heather Bain <hcbain2@bellsouth. net>
Subject: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 11:59 AM

I do not know what was used. It was something they plugged into the light sockets all around the house. They said it should not be above 300 and was in the 1000's. in this one wall socket. They said to just change the wall socket out. We did that but I'm not sure if it has helped because the detoxing is exaceberating my symptoms. I have slept two nights in a row though since I've seen the doc. He put me on Min Tran which is a magnesium, iodine supplement, plus I am doing the detox, he gave me zypan and digest for digestion, parotid pmg for liver and Drenotrophin for my adrenals, Thytrophin andB-12 with trace minereals for my thyroid. He also gave me a homeopathic called visceral polarity that seems to help with my panicking and my sensitivity.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "lessemf.com" <lessemf@... > wrote:

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evie15422

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

In reply to this post by Heather Bain

thanks for the advice, Marc,

and it sounds like it is probably appropriate to what i have been experiencing. i actually had not used the device in the park the day i was bad, but had forgotten to turn it off and used it by accident the day i was good. the day i was bad i had the problems while going to the park. however, maybe i still was using it too much. i bought it mainly because i wasso impressed with the Pro but i agree that we don't always have to spend alot to get something which helps. i will continue to try to use it, but suspect i will end up returning it next month. in the meantime i will check out your other suggestion! thanks so much!

d

--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 2:38 PM

> i go out some days with it and some days without it (the Companion).
> some days i am perfectly fine either way and other days i am in
> perfect agony either way--sometimes in the same areas. for instance,
> we went to a state park last weekend and i was far worse with it on
> than not

I personally find that the Quantum Products items are best used when in
a high EMF environment. So I would personally not use it all in a state
park. However, if I were to go into a grocery store then I would find
it beneficial to be turned on while I'm in the store.

All EMF devices can cause problems if you overuse them. Finding out
when and how they should be used is a trial & error process, but more is
not necessarily better. And one of the nice advantages of the Quantum
Products is that they do have an "off" switch, while many devices are
permanently "on", whether you want them to be or not.

I do recall that when I was using the Quantum Products more than I am
now, that I was more likely to get shocks when using them than when not.
I solved this problem by both cutting back my usage a bit and also
wearing static dissipative shoes.

Also, one of my longterm problems after my bad experience with the ionic
footbath is bloating/gas after eating. I find that excess use of Quantum
Products makes the bloating worse (while Springlife polarizers make the
bloating better).

So it may be that the Quantum Companion is not your perfect "on the
road" device. But there are plenty of other options to try, and most of
them are cheaper than the Quantum Companion. :-)

Personally, I think you try out this item while on the road -- it's
only $22, which is a bargain since I sometimes favor it over devices
costing 10 times more:

http://cutcat. com/item. php?item_ id=827

Marc

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Marc Martin

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

Administrator

In reply to this post by R. Ticle

> As a guess that sounds like Graham Stetzer filters to filter dirty
> electricity, and measurements taken with a Microsurge meter; but, I'm not
> sure. Only the mention of numbers made me think that, and that "plugged
> in all around the house" comment. Seems like it to me, but correct me if
> I'm wrong?

There's a way to check -- there is a photo of the Stezter meter here:

http://www.stetzerelectric.com/filters/meter_sheet.html

Heather, is this the sort of meter that was used in your house?

Marc

Marc Martin

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

Administrator

In reply to this post by Heather Bain

> He put me on Min Tran which is a magnesium, iodine supplement

Actually, "Min-Tran" from Standard Process is a "mineral tranquilizer".
But yes, it does contain magnesium and iodine. :-)

> parotid pmg for liver

"Parotid PMG" is actually supposed to help your parotid (saliva)
glands, which are often damaged by mercury fillings.

(Standard Process supplements are certainly an area of my
expertise, due to all of the alternative-type doctors
I've been to over the years)

Marc

Loni Rosser

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

In reply to this post by Heather Bain

What does that mean; maxed out?

--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 10:50 AM

hi, Loni,

i was told by the Quantum rep that i might in time "max out" my current Q-Pro device. she said at that time, i would have to use another device as a booster--either another Pro, a Q-Home, several 3 prong conditioners, or a Q-companion, etc. are you sure your location did not max out yourdevice due to all the towers near-by? when i told the rep i had my Pro turned 3/4 up, she said i'd likely max it out if we do as we planned and put in an office/media room in our garage. at this time the garage isn't even wired. (we are looking at keeping that room separate as possible tho, so i was intending to put another device there all along.) i was asking questions about add-ons like porches, etc.

d

--- On Tue, 6/23/09, stcro@rogers. com <stcro@rogers. com> wrote:

From: stcro@rogers. com <stcro@rogers. com>
Subject: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:50 PM

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Loni <loni326@... > wrote:
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> Hey Sandra, Can you keep us informed about how the Earthcalm & filtersare working. I tried the Earthcalm & initially felt relief but it did hot last. I had all these cell antennas arount however. I am thinking about trying the filters. What is the difference in these two things???

Hi Loni

That is too bad that EartCalm did not last for you. I think Marc did not have a great experience with it either.
I think the difference between EartCalm ans Stetzer is that EarthCalm dealswith RF that comes from cell phones towers but Stetzer filters do not. Thecomment from my EMF consultant was that Stetzer filters allow less dirty electricity coming through the house electrical wirring and outlets. So supposedly if I have these filters around me I will have less of an electromagnetic load on my body. He claims that the ES problem is of a cumulative nature. So I guess more sources you eliminate the better it should be. However I am such a rookie here that I have no idea if that is relevant.

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> I installed window tint from Germany to shield the RF in my home & it is a LOT better. So now I feel like I can address the rest of the dirty electricity in here. I am still not able to sleep here but I am hopefull!!!!

Now that is a major step, I might consider that window tint thing too. Which brand did you get and did you install it yourself?

Thanks
>

Sandra

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Marc Martin

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

Administrator

> What does that mean; maxed out?

Yes, "maxed out" seems like an odd term to use... I think
"maxed out" means that the Quantum Pro is not strong enough to
neutralize all of the EMF in the current location.

Although as I recall, when Loni tried a Quantum Products
device (Home? Pro?), it didn't make any difference at all.
Which means that this was not the appropriate solution
for the problem.

Marc

Heather Bain

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

It looks like that. We unplugged all the devices in the house, TV, computer, WIFI, microwave, and when plugged into this one socket, it read in the 1000's.

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

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> > As a guess that sounds like Graham Stetzer filters to filter dirty
> > electricity, and measurements taken with a Microsurge meter; but, I'm not
> > sure. Only the mention of numbers made me think that, and that "plugged
> > in all around the house" comment. Seems like it to me, but correct me if
> > I'm wrong?
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> There's a way to check -- there is a photo of the Stezter meter here:
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> http://www.stetzerelectric.com/filters/meter_sheet.html
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> Heather, is this the sort of meter that was used in your house?
>
> Marc
>

S.T.

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

In reply to this post by Heather Bain

Yes, the same happened in my place. Everything was unplugged but we got1800 reading on one of the sockets. The consultant explained that the fluorescent light in the kitchen was on that circuit. Although the lightswitch was turned off it was reading high simply because those fluorescent lights are bad and "leak way too much " so to speak. Then we installed a filter onto that socket and the reading went down. Still, it isan imperative that I scrap that light asap with or without the filter on it.

The funny thing is that the socket were the kitchen light was reading high was not in the kitchen but in the living dinning area. Of course that hasto do with the way my place is wired.

I am also understanding that is why feel bad when shopping, thoselight are simply clustered above our heads...

Sandra

--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Heather Bain <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Heather Bain <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
To: [hidden email]
Received: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 4:52 PM

It looks like that. We unplugged all the devices in the house, TV, computer, WIFI, microwave, and when plugged into this one socket, it read in the 1000's.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

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> > As a guess that sounds like Graham Stetzer filters to filter dirty
> > electricity, and measurements taken with a Microsurge meter; but, I'm not
> > sure. Only the mention of numbers made me think that, and that "plugged
> > in all around the house" comment. Seems like it to me, but correct me if
> > I'm wrong?
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> There's a way to check -- there is a photo of the Stezter meter here:
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> http://www.stetzere lectric.com/ filters/meter_ sheet.html
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> Heather, is this the sort of meter that was used in your house?
>
> Marc
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Heather Bain

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

-Thanks so much. We do have a fluorescent light in our kitchen. Maybe that was it. Wow there is so much out there to learn.

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> Subject: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
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evie15422

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

In reply to this post by Heather Bain

hi, Loni,

i meant it wouldn't handle further emfs. there is a point at which the devices need additional help to handle all the frquencies.

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--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 5:50 PM

What does that mean; maxed out?

--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 10:50 AM

hi, Loni,

i was told by the Quantum rep that i might in time "max out" my current Q-Pro device. she said at that time, i would have to use another device as a booster--either another Pro, a Q-Home, several 3 prong conditioners, or a Q-companion, etc. are you sure your location did not max out yourdevice due to all the towers near-by? when i told the rep i had my Pro turned 3/4 up, she said i'd likely max it out if we do as we planned and put in an office/media room in our garage. at this time the garage isn't even wired. (we are looking at keeping that room separate as possible tho, so i was intending to put another device there all along.) i was asking questions about add-ons like porches, etc.

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--- On Tue, 6/23/09, stcro@rogers. com <stcro@rogers. com> wrote:

From: stcro@rogers. com <stcro@rogers. com>
Subject: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 9:50 PM

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Loni <loni326@... > wrote:
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> Hey Sandra, Can you keep us informed about how the Earthcalm & filtersare working. I tried the Earthcalm & initially felt relief but it did hot last. I had all these cell antennas arount however. I am thinking about trying the filters. What is the difference in these two things???

Hi Loni

That is too bad that EartCalm did not last for you. I think Marc did not have a great experience with it either.
I think the difference between EartCalm ans Stetzer is that EarthCalm dealswith RF that comes from cell phones towers but Stetzer filters do not. Thecomment from my EMF consultant was that Stetzer filters allow less dirty electricity coming through the house electrical wirring and outlets. So supposedly if I have these filters around me I will have less of an electromagnetic load on my body. He claims that the ES problem is of a cumulative nature. So I guess more sources you eliminate the better it should be. However I am such a rookie here that I have no idea if that is relevant.

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Now that is a major step, I might consider that window tint thing too. Which brand did you get and did you install it yourself?

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evie15422

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

In reply to this post by Heather Bain

hi Marc,

i was not suggesting Loni use the Quantum products; i was asking her whether, instead of the Earthcalm just quitting helping her, was it possible it was simply not able to handle new emfs that she had added to her home or someone in the community had added to the area.

it was explained to me that i could (since i am starting out with the Pro at 3/4 strength already), max out the Pro at some point. then, all things being equal (same illness and sensitivities), i would have to add a device of some sort to make up the difference.

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--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 6:09 PM

> What does that mean; maxed out?

Yes, "maxed out" seems like an odd term to use... I think
"maxed out" means that the Quantum Pro is not strong enough to
neutralize all of the EMF in the current location.

Although as I recall, when Loni tried a Quantum Products
device (Home? Pro?), it didn't make any difference at all.
Which means that this was not the appropriate solution
for the problem.

Marc

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Loni Rosser

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

In reply to this post by Heather Bain

So the Quantum & the Earthcalm are different products right?! Do they work in similar ways? Loni

--- On Thu, 6/25/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 10:05 AM

hi Marc,

i was not suggesting Loni use the Quantum products; i was asking her whether, instead of the Earthcalm just quitting helping her, was it possible it was simply not able to handle new emfs that she had added to her home or someone in the community had added to the area.

it was explained to me that i could (since i am starting out with the Pro at 3/4 strength already), max out the Pro at some point. then, all things being equal (same illness and sensitivities) , i would have to add adevice of some sort to make up the difference.

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--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 6:09 PM

> What does that mean; maxed out?

Yes, "maxed out" seems like an odd term to use... I think
"maxed out" means that the Quantum Pro is not strong enough to
neutralize all of the EMF in the current location.

Although as I recall, when Loni tried a Quantum Products
device (Home? Pro?), it didn't make any difference at all.
Which means that this was not the appropriate solution
for the problem.

Marc

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Marc Martin

Re: New MCS and EMF sufferer

Administrator

> So the Quantum & the Earthcalm are different products right?! Do they
> work in similar ways? Loni

They are indeed different products, with a very different approach. I
have tried both, and went with the Quantum Products, although I
certainly could see that the Earthcalm products were plenty strong (too
strong for our household, when you take into account both my and my
pets reaction). And I've seen a few people here and there have good
results with Earthcalm products.

But if you noticed nothing from the Quantum Home, then maybe the
Earthcalm products might be something to try out. They've got a
portable "resonator" (I believe it requires skin contact to work),
and also plug-in models for the house. They've got a money-back
guarantee, too:

http://earthcalm.com/store/

Marc

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