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In a message dated 4/7/2009 12:58:46 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,
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shoes (the opposite concept) and other approaches are more successful.
Grounding is a great thing, for both camps, as long as you are losing the emfs,
tho, instead of taking them on. In a recent post SArguna made, she related
various types of reactions to emfs and how it affects the calcium ion channels
in various people in different ways. I suspect that this is one reason why
some of us react one way and others react another. But time will tell the
tale.

Diane




What about swimming in open water, lake sea rivers ? any change. It might
also be due to the salinity of your body water content just a wild card, also
the total length of your neurological network, synaptic gaps ie, slightly too
wide, is something acting like a capacitor in your body or perhaps your
whole body, if only you could have personal dosimeter that measures body voltage
(assuming you could wear one) and then discharge safely periodically some how
?!

paul uk

Paul uk


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Just a quick note i had pins and needles in my arms and hands for six months leading up to my realization of ES, and then found myself giving shocks to people for a couple of months after! Until i learnt to earth myself as much as possible, with out looking totally mad. Ie hugging trees, and keeping the bedroom as EMF free as possible. and being crystaled by my partner weird but this works.
Ive turned into a right hippy!!!

I no longer have this pin and needles feeling and hi current leaving myhands.
Hope this helps
Giles
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In a message dated 4/7/2009 12:58:46 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,  

evie15422@yahoo. com writes:



shoes (the opposite concept) and other approaches are more successful.  

Grounding is a great thing, for both camps, as long as you are losing the emfs,

tho, instead of taking them on. In a recent post SArguna made, she related

various types of reactions to emfs and how it affects the calcium ion channels

in various people in different ways. I suspect that this is one reason why

some of us react one way and others react another. But time will tell the

tale.  



Diane



What about swimming in open water, lake sea rivers ? any change. It might

also be due to the salinity of your body water content just a wild card, also

the total length of your neurological network, synaptic gaps ie, slightly too

wide, is something acting like a capacitor in your body or perhaps your

whole body, if only you could have personal dosimeter that measures body voltage

(assuming you could wear one) and then discharge safely periodically some how

?!

 

paul uk

 

Paul uk



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Hi, Paul,
 
I use sea salt (and epsom salts) for soaking toxins out of my body.  I wash the salts off before I get out of the tub--I tried leaving it on and it makes me worse, es-wise.  I do think this problem is due to a calciumion channel dysfunction (or tight junctions--same concept except tjs referto the blood-brain barrier cells.)  I do have signs of electrolyte dysregulation and go thru periods where I have to supplement various trace elements and electrolytes.  I have problems with orthostatic hypotension, for instance (an autonomic nervous system related problem, which I have writtenhere about in the past) for which I was told to eat more salt.  I can black out on occasion when I am lacking salt.  And I get very exhausted if I am lacking calcium.  I get restless leg symptoms when I am lacking potassium.  Trace minerals like boron seem to be necessary to supplement fromtime to time, too.  Molybdenum is another thing I need to supplement which I
think works with the electrolytes (tho I have never read that it was connected.) 
 
But, yes, you are correct--it seems as tho something is acting as a capacitor--I wonder if it is the toxin combo I happen to have?  Karen Taylor whoused to come here had fluorine poisoning from a mining accident and we reacted very similarly. 
 
Thanks for your ideas, Paul,
Diane 

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: electric shocks
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Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:55 AM







In a message dated 4/7/2009 12:58:46 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,
evie15422@yahoo. com writes:

shoes (the opposite concept) and other approaches are more successful.
Grounding is a great thing, for both camps, as long as you are losing the emfs,
tho, instead of taking them on. In a recent post SArguna made, she related
various types of reactions to emfs and how it affects the calcium ion channels
in various people in different ways. I suspect that this is one reason why
some of us react one way and others react another. But time will tell the
tale.

Diane

What about swimming in open water, lake sea rivers ? any change. It might
also be due to the salinity of your body water content just a wild card, also
the total length of your neurological network, synaptic gaps ie, slightly too
wide, is something acting like a capacitor in your body or perhaps your
whole body, if only you could have personal dosimeter that measures body voltage
(assuming you could wear one) and then discharge safely periodically some how
?!

paul uk

Paul uk

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Dear Evie:

My son was on a gluten free/casein free diet for about 2.5 years. I didn't see the dramatic reactions in my son that many parents observe when going on this diet. After managing a local autism support group for 5 years, I heard many stories about children having unusual reactions to the diet. The reactions tended to be worsening behavior symptoms such as more excessive fixations etc. I understand that gluten can be like a drug addition when you have a leaky gut. When the ASD child isn't getting it's drug, the child goes through something similar to withdrawal.  

I had never heard of Dr. Klinghardt before I started researching electromagnetic sensitivity, which I believe I have. I would like to contact him and find out what tools he used to measure body voltage. I am interested in testing parents of children with autism spectrum disorders to see if I get similar findings to Dr.Kinghardt.

My son was diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder, PDD NOS, when he wasalmost 3 years old. He received applied behavior analysis therapy, an expensive, intensive, behavioral therapy from diagnosis to age 6. At age 4, we started basic biomedical interventions. This included methly b-12 injections. In the summer of 2006, I started following the Dr. Amy Yasko protocolwhich uses DNA tests to help tailor a supplementation plan. After 2 years of using at times 70 supplements a day (including chelation), my husband had enough of the cost. My son, Spencer, also had a summer of vision therapy which helped. He probably has ADD at this point, but I'm not going to get him tested. He's doing well in normal classroom, has a black belt in tae-kwon-do and no longer has fixations or social concerns. He plays with the kidsin the neighborhood and on baseball teams without sticking out.

I am not the British woman with whom you corresponded. I am beginning to believe that autism results from genetic mutations, environment, toxins and EMF. My son, Spencer, doesn't seem to have ES, but he says he gets a headache from compact flourescent bulbs like me. My other son does not have this reaction.

I heard a rumor that women rid themselves of toxins by having children. My first child had more neurological issues than my second...

Christine Hoch
Gainesville, VA

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

Just a quick note regarding the measurement of body voltage - I'm not sure what Dr. Klinghardt uses, either, however, the company Safe Living Technologies has a couple of body voltage kits on their site, using what I think are voltmeters, grounding cable, and some other bits:

http://www.safelivingtechnologies.ca/EMF/products_emf.htm

(No affiliation! Though Rob Metzinger, of the company is a good guy).

Hi, Giles,
 
I had the pins and needles too. 
 
Yes, I can identify with the hippie description!  lol  I used to think of alot of things I now accept as "new age hippie psycho-babble".  But, being more open-minded than some I know  ;), I have found that I now see some of these ideas from a perspective of science--if it works there is a scientific reason it works--and I no longer find it weird, "occultic", or taboo. 
 
Tree hugging and grounding helps me too, but I do still have higher electricity than I should.  (Still working on your crystal idea--I have the order ready but haven't yet sent it off because I have been doing some "energy" work--energy exercises.  I don't like to try too many things at one time.)
 
Diane

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From: Christina Steils <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: electric shocks
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 11:31 AM






Just a quick note i had pins and needles in my arms and hands for six months leading up to my realization  of ES, and then found myself giving shocks to people for a couple of months after! Until i learnt to earth myself as much as possible, with out looking totally mad. Ie hugging trees, and keeping the bedroom as EMF free as possible. and being crystaled by my partner weird but this works.
Ive turned into a right hippy!!!

I no longer have this pin and needles feeling and hi current leaving myhands.
Hope this helps
Giles
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From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: electric shocks
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 7 April, 2009, 1:55 PM

In a message dated 4/7/2009 12:58:46 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,

evie15422@yahoo. com writes:

shoes (the opposite concept) and other approaches are more successful.

Grounding is a great thing, for both camps, as long as you are losing the emfs,

tho, instead of taking them on. In a recent post SArguna made, she related

various types of reactions to emfs and how it affects the calcium ion channels

in various people in different ways. I suspect that this is one reason why

some of us react one way and others react another. But time will tell the

tale.

Diane

What about swimming in open water, lake sea rivers ? any change. It might

also be due to the salinity of your body water content just a wild card, also

the total length of your neurological network, synaptic gaps ie, slightly too

wide, is something acting like a capacitor in your body or perhaps your

whole body, if only you could have personal dosimeter that measures body voltage

(assuming you could wear one) and then discharge safely periodically some how

?!

paul uk

Paul uk

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Hi, Christine,
 
Yes, I read that--the glutens can be like an opiate.  And that is how I reacted--it was like withdrawal. 
 
Glad to hear your son did not get bad on the diet and that you were able to find other interventions to help him recover.  He is now doing so well; that is wonderful!  Sounds like you and your family really went outon a limb for him financially, and it worked.  (Spencer is really lucky to have such a great advocate and mom!)  I think our bodies are built to respond to interventions.  It is tho still such a miracle when it happens!
 
Have you tried reaching Dr Klinghardt online?  Usually there is access todoctors thru the universities or medical practices they are affiliated with.  He was interviewed on this site:
 
http://electromagnetichealth.org/audio-archives-and-more/#klinghardt
 
I just googled his name and up popped this info about how to contact him:
 
http://local.yahoo.com/info-49268384-klinghardt-dietrich-md-comprehensive-medical-center-kirkland
 
Yes, I think you are right about the causes of autism.  I have heard thattoo--moms detox thru their babies.  Scary, isn't it?  Esp in the world in which we now find ourselves (15,000 new chemicals every year). 
 
Let us know how it goes with your experiments,
Diane

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From: christine_hoch <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Impact on your children
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Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 4:04 PM








Dear Evie:

My son was on a gluten free/casein free diet for about 2.5 years. I didn't see the dramatic reactions in my son that many parents observe when going on this diet. After managing a local autism support group for 5 years, I heard many stories about children having unusual reactions to the diet. The reactions tended to be worsening behavior symptoms such as more excessive fixations etc. I understand that gluten can be like a drug addition when you have a leaky gut. When the ASD child isn't getting it's drug, the child goesthrough something similar to withdrawal.

I had never heard of Dr. Klinghardt before I started researching electromagnetic sensitivity, which I believe I have. I would like to contact him and find out what tools he used to measure body voltage. I am interested in testing parents of children with autism spectrum disorders to see if I get similar findings to Dr.Kinghardt.

My son was diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder, PDD NOS, when he wasalmost 3 years old. He received applied behavior analysis therapy, an expensive, intensive, behavioral therapy from diagnosis to age 6. At age 4, we started basic biomedical interventions. This included methly b-12 injections. In the summer of 2006, I started following the Dr. Amy Yasko protocol which uses DNA tests to help tailor a supplementation plan. After 2 years of using at times 70 supplements a day (including chelation), my husband had enough of the cost. My son, Spencer, also had a summer of vision therapy which helped. He probably has ADD at this point, but I'm not going to get him tested. He's doing well in normal classroom, has a black belt in tae-kwon-do and no longer has fixations or social concerns. He plays with the kids inthe neighborhood and on baseball teams without sticking out.

I am not the British woman with whom you corresponded. I am beginning to believe that autism results from genetic mutations, environment, toxins and EMF. My son, Spencer, doesn't seem to have ES, but he says he gets a headache from compact flourescent bulbs like me. My other son does not have this reaction.

I heard a rumor that women rid themselves of toxins by having children. My first child had more neurological issues than my second...

Christine Hoch
Gainesville, VA

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@. ..> wrote:
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> Hi, Christine,
>  
> I had 3 miscarriages and one son who made it to full-term (32 yo), and who is also completely fine, healthwise.  Not that I consider this reallyrelevant, but he was also at the top of his class (as was I--tho I was always as scatter-brained as a person could be.  lol)  When I was in my late 30s, I was out shopping one day and became so undone, mentally and physically, that I could not remember how to get home, what a green or red light meant, could remember no phone numbers of family members.....  I was totally mentally incapacitated for several hours, and then, just as quickly as this came on, it went!  I regained all mental functioning and got home safely.  I had many events, just not this bad, that were similar, tho.  I finally found that I had celiac disease, and that seemed to help me alot on that front--tho my short-term memory is still not 100% and I am still scatter-brained.  ;)  It was interesting tho that when I went gluten-free,
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> I just googled his name and up popped this info about how to contact him:
>
> http://local.yahoo.com/info-49268384-klinghardt-dietrich-md-comprehensive-medical-center-kirkland

Dr. Klinghart's clinic is literally a 15-minute drive away from my
house. But I still don't go there, because I wasn't that impressed
with their methods of treatment. Although, when I went there 8 years
ago for one appointment, I was pleased that they turned off the
florescent lights in the room when I said I was electrically
sensitive... :-)

Marc

I have had the "shocking" problem, less often now than in the past.
I once melted the tv components on my father's television by touching the button to either change volume or the station. It all went to black and white "ant wars" and had to have a new part ordered to replace it.

Have never noticed any connection with mood, but I can see how even that could elevate electrical current.

I've met other people with worse ones. A young gal back from Iraq broke theglass on her mother's microwave door by just touching it. She also startedher car which wouldn't by just touching the starter.

Have you had your hormone levels checked? Progesterone in particular. When this is low in women, or men, it can for some reason change our electrical values and increase the shocking quite a lot! Using a natural cream for a number of years takes care of most of the problem for me.
These tests can be ordered from various labs online, or sometimes through your healthfood store, so you don't have to pay for an extra Dr. visit to get it ordered, and then one to get the results.

Oh, and there is a book I have, "Polarity Therapy Workbook" by John Beaulieu, N.D., PhD., R.P.P.

I use to do the basic balancing on my daughter when she lived here, being sensitive also. It's hard to do as well on yourself, but the book could be useful to help a spouse try the balancing on a person.

I don't buy all the astrological stuff, but it has to do with meridians etc.

I can only guess that some differences in my, and my daughter's case comes from being lefthanded, that sometimes the hands needed to be in the reverseof what the book said, to feel beneficial rather than detrimental.

Since lefthanders brains are reversed, or sometimes scrambled in the area setup, I would guess it happens with righties on occasion too.

~ Snoshoe


--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

Hi, Snoshoe,
 
Thanks for all the info!  I had no idea re the progesterone having anything to do with body electrics!  Great info!  I have noticed this problem(being a capacitor of sorts) being much worse since January when I had thehomeopathic remedy which dumped too many toxins.  When that happened, I was having hormone surges, as well--they happened simultaneously with thefeeling of taking on electricity.  So I am thinking the progesterone info might really be helpful!
 
Thanks too for the book suggestion.  I have already been doing polarityexercises for a couple years off and on--you suggested this a couple yearsago to the group, I think, and I looked into it.  Yes, I do find the polarity exercises seem to help!  I have not read the book you suggested, but will look for it.  Thanks again!  (I, too, was doing much better, in that I did not take on or emit as much electricity for the past year or so.  I have had problems again since January of this year.)
 
I am maybe ambi-dexterous--can and do do most things with both hands, butI write with my right hand (actually can write with my left almost as well, but as a matter of habit, usually write only with my right hand.)  I don't know how/if handedness plays into meridians and polarity.  I havenever read anything except what you mention in this post.  Interesting that lefties are more prone to scrambled energies. 
 
Thanks again, Snoshoe!  Your info is always spot on!
Diane
 


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From: snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: electric shocks
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Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 10:45 PM








I have had the "shocking" problem, less often now than in the past.
I once melted the tv components on my father's television by touching the button to either change volume or the station. It all went to black and white "ant wars" and had to have a new part ordered to replace it.

Have never noticed any connection with mood, but I can see how even that could elevate electrical current.

I've met other people with worse ones. A young gal back from Iraq broke theglass on her mother's microwave door by just touching it. She also startedher car which wouldn't by just touching the starter.

Have you had your hormone levels checked? Progesterone in particular. When this is low in women, or men, it can for some reason change our electrical values and increase the shocking quite a lot! Using a natural cream for a number of years takes care of most of the problem for me.
These tests can be ordered from various labs online, or sometimes through your healthfood store, so you don't have to pay for an extra Dr. visit to get it ordered, and then one to get the results.

Oh, and there is a book I have, "Polarity Therapy Workbook" by John Beaulieu, N.D., PhD., R.P.P.

I use to do the basic balancing on my daughter when she lived here, being sensitive also. It's hard to do as well on yourself, but the book could be useful to help a spouse try the balancing on a person.

I don't buy all the astrological stuff, but it has to do with meridians etc.

I can only guess that some differences in my, and my daughter's case comes from being lefthanded, that sometimes the hands needed to be in the reverseof what the book said, to feel beneficial rather than detrimental.

Since lefthanders brains are reversed, or sometimes scrambled in the area setup, I would guess it happens with righties on occasion too.

~ Snoshoe

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