Microwave ovens don't "leak". They broadcast.

Lloyd Morgan has shared that after his presentation given at the
Bioelectromagnetics Society meeting in San Dieta a Motorola spokesperson mentioned
that microwave ovens often leak. "Leak" is not the word for it.

When I check people's homes, I turn on an Electrosmog Detector, then ask
them to turn on their microwave oven for a few seconds. I have yet to find
one MW oven that does not broadcast strongly in every direction. The signal
is often so strong that I must back through a room or two ,and sometimes out of
the house, before the signal is significantly reduced. Walls, floors and
ceilings, of course, are penetrated.

Present "safety" regulations are based on the false assumption that
nonionizing radiation that does not heat body tissue significantly has no effect
on living beings. If this is a surprise to you, please see my website re
research that clearly demonstrates the harm done. The damage is cumulative.

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com


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Hi all,

I was thinking of buying a new HDTV for the living room, and
was wondering if I should focus only on LCD models, as plasma
TVs seem to be worse for people with ES. But I wanted to
check here -- does anyone here find a plasma TV to be okay
for them?

Marc

In a message dated 6/17/2008 7:53:59 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:




Hi all,

I was thinking of buying a new HDTV for the living room, and
was wondering if I should focus only on LCD models, as plasma
TVs seem to be worse for people with ES. But I wanted to
check here -- does anyone here find a plasma TV to be okay
for them





I went into my local store and tested a whole range of LCD and Plasmas of
all shapes and sizes, with micro alert, am radio and Trifeild - got some
strange looks, found that there we major differences between different models
including sizes, on toshiba or panasonic large plasma was really good where as a
smaller philipsLG was bad, but still you cant beat trying them for a time in
your own home as each persons essens level will vary etc.. as you know

P UK






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An electrosensitive buying a TV. Quite contradictory.

My brother recently got a 32" Sony XBR6. That thing tore me
to shreds. When I first measured the EMF it was relatiavely low.
Then after he used it for a few days the magnetic field went
through the roof.

I wonder if there's a place to get refurbished TVs. The XBR1
is fairly tolerable.

The XBR8 (LED backlight) is expected this fall.

Why get a plasma if you know they produce more RF?

Eli

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

> An electrosensitive buying a TV. Quite contradictory.

What, am I the only one here who watches television? :-)

Before I became electrosensitive, I was a videophile.
So it's about time I got an HDTV for the living room!

> Why get a plasma if you know they produce more RF?

In general, I find plasmas to produce a better looking
picture than an LCD. However, since I typically
react badly to them at the showrooms at close range,
they probably aren't a good idea for me.

As for the XBR8, I used to swear by Sony TV's,
but the current Bravia's wash out too quickly
with minor changes in viewing angles. I don't
think LED backlighting will change that. I've
seen the 11" Sony OLED, and that has a great
picture and great viewing angles, but I suspect it
will be awhile before OLED TV's are large enough
and affordable.

Based on my various requirements and desirements,
I suspect I'll be getting either a 37" Panasonic
LCD (consumer model) or plasma (industrial model).

Marc

> My brother recently got a 32" Sony XBR6. That thing tore me
> to shreds.

Was this one of those models with the 120hz motion feature?
I was wondering if these higher frequencies make the sets
more intolerable.

> I wonder if there's a place to get refurbished TVs. The XBR1
> is fairly tolerable.

You can probably find them on eBay. Or craigslist.

Marc

I had one of those projection T.V. for awhile. It was a 46 incher. I had to get rid of it. Most of my t.v.'s are 12 inchers. I have only one t.v. that is around a 26 incher. It is a late 80's model. I once saw a tractor trailer driving down the road. On the side of the trailer it said, "this load being tracked by satellite using V-Chip technology. All my t.v.'s are pre-V-Chip. Am I paranoid?

----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Martin
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: plasma TVs?


> My brother recently got a 32" Sony XBR6. That thing tore me
> to shreds.

Was this one of those models with the 120hz motion feature?
I was wondering if these higher frequencies make the sets
more intolerable.

> I wonder if there's a place to get refurbished TVs. The XBR1
> is fairly tolerable.

You can probably find them on eBay. Or craigslist.

Marc





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> On the side of the trailer it
> said, "this load being tracked by satellite using V-Chip technology. All
> my t.v.'s are pre-V-Chip. Am I paranoid?

I think so! V-chip is merely there to prevent your kids from watching
sex and violence.

I should say that I use EMF protection devices while watching TV,
so I can tolerate more television than I could otherwise. But
EMF protections devices can only do so much, and I'm not sure
about their ability to overcome the extreme nastiness of plasma TVs.

Marc

No Marc I like tv too. I heard that the LCD's were the best for us. I think plasma's might be high in emf. We will need one too next year when they go digital.
&nbsp;
I am using an old sharp at the moment. They all seem to put out a lot of emf but it sure is nice to relax &amp; watch some tv. Takes my mind off of jumping off that bridge when times get bad like they have recently.
&nbsp;
Check it out thoroughly before you buy. I will need to off gas a new tv for quite some time before I can even put the darn thing in the house. Keep in mind the new plastics that could make you sick. The circuits are also toxic. My kids tv's were floor models we got them for xmas &amp; I am finally getting to be able to be in their rooms. Ahhhh
&nbsp;
Let us know what you get. Loni

--- On Tue, 6/17/08, Marc Martin &lt;[hidden email]&gt; wrote:

From: Marc Martin &lt;[hidden email]&gt;
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: plasma TVs?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 3:25 PM






&gt; An electrosensitive buying a TV. Quite contradictory.

What, am I the only one here who watches television? :-)

Before I became electrosensitive, I was a videophile.
So it's about time I got an HDTV for the living room!

&gt; Why get a plasma if you know they produce more RF?

In general, I find plasmas to produce a better looking
picture than an LCD. However, since I typically
react badly to them at the showrooms at close range,
they probably aren't a good idea for me.

As for the XBR8, I used to swear by Sony TV's,
but the current Bravia's wash out too quickly
with minor changes in viewing angles. I don't
think LED backlighting will change that. I've
seen the 11" Sony OLED, and that has a great
picture and great viewing angles, but I suspect it
will be awhile before OLED TV's are large enough
and affordable.

Based on my various requirements and desirements,
I suspect I'll be getting either a 37" Panasonic
LCD (consumer model) or plasma (industrial model).

Marc

















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don't forget everything is going digital in January 2009

--- On Tue, 6/17/08, Marc Martin &lt;[hidden email]&gt; wrote:

From: Marc Martin &lt;[hidden email]&gt;
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: plasma TVs?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 3:35 PM






&gt; My brother recently got a 32" Sony XBR6. That thing tore me
&gt; to shreds.

Was this one of those models with the 120hz motion feature?
I was wondering if these higher frequencies make the sets
more intolerable.

&gt; I wonder if there's a place to get refurbished TVs. The XBR1
&gt; is fairly tolerable.

You can probably find them on eBay. Or craigslist.

Marc

















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The problem with a number of TV sets is, that different frequency band s are
to be looked after.

Normally I check an LCD or Plasma TV with my VLF spion with a small digital
antenna.
First I check the whole surface as well as the border in the frequency band
5 kHz - 30 kHz, where most disturbances occur at 30 kHz.
Then I recheck in the frequency band 30 kHz - 150 kHz. Sometimes I also find
there disturbances.

Finally, I check with my Profi Spion with the Ball Antenna attached. That
way in the MHz region spots can be found.

That way I found that not my satellite receiver itsself was disturbing, but
the imagesignals, which are digital now, do give disturbing signals on my
radiation poor 42"LCD television.
The sound can be heard at:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html

I have come to another important conclusion:

The sounds on this website are just audio files, as MP3 files.
Audio files are within 20 Hz up to 20.000 Hz.
Technically it is impossible that they contain high frequencies like f.i.
900 MHz or 1800 MHz, or 2150 MHz, or 3500 MHz.
So, these recorded sounds are just the lowfrequent modulations of wireless
signals, WITHOUT the HIGHFREQUENT CARRIER WAVES.

I have observed, that ELECTROSENSIBLE persons by just listening to these
sounds GET ADVERSE EFFECTS.

That means, that NOT the high frequent carrier waves are disturbing, but the
modulations do.

I mentioned this in other newsgroups, and some scientists are looking into
this.
I object to many studies where they expose persons to f.i. 825 MHz,
generated by a frequency generator. Those signals are not modulated, and
therefore no effects were found, so these studies are worthless in my
opinion.

I also want to mention, that my recorded sounds come from original signals,
and are quite different from signals generated by a frequency generator.
For instance, a 217 Hz tone, generated by a generator, no matter which wave
type one chooses, sounds very different from the reality.

Of course it is long known, that HF signals without any modulation are less
harmful than those with a modulation attached, but there was no proof to
that.
Now we have the proof (in another way).

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 8:53 PM
Subject: [eSens] plasma TVs?

Hi Charles,
Perhaps you could update us on which TVs and monitors seem
like good candidates?

I'm not sure it's best to measure very close to the screen,
because if the electronics are well designed there will be nearfield
evanescent effects that will not radiate efficiently into the room.
I realize that there's a tradeoff because sensitized people seem to
be more sensitive than most meters.

Regarding modulations I wonder if it's been observed with industrial
sounds that a repetitive sound, even not too loud, can cause harm
to the brain after long term exposure? If so, one also might wonder
about "techno-pop" music, "trance" electronic music, may be literally
addictive?

Bill

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:50 AM, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:


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> Perhaps you could update us on which TVs and monitors seem
> like good candidates?

I'm using one of last years Sony Bravia's (26S3000) as
a computer monitor. I use EMF devices with it, but it
still seems relatively good without them. I personally
wouldn't use it as a TV because of the limited viewing
angle -- I think their claim that it has a 178 viewing
angle is absurd...

Marc

Dear Carles,

I fully agree, that the biologically harmful part of elecromagnetic waves are more the low frequency modulations. Using a transmitter of 433 MHz at less than 15 mW I could measure in electroakupuncture a definite negative effect. Now modulating this signal with a rectangular signal of 217 Hz made the effect about 5 times stronger. This applies also to many other frequencies. But to make it a little more interesting, by modulation this 433 MHz with 7.8 Hz the Schumann-Frequency of mother earth, the biological effect turns positive, also with 15,6 Hz and 31,2 Hz. Even the 60 Hz frequency used inUS is less harmful than our 50 Hz in europe. And why; probably because 60 Hz is quite near the next harmonic of the Schumann-Resonanz of 62,4 Hz.

Dietrich Grün


e Mitteilung-----
Von: charles <[hidden email]>
An: [hidden email]
Verschickt: Mi., 18. Jun. 2008, 8:50
Thema: Re: [eSens] plasma TVs and frequencies



The problem with a number of TV sets is, that different frequency band s are
o be looked after.
Normally I check an LCD or Plasma TV with my VLF spion with a small digital
ntenna.
irst I check the whole surface as well as the border in the frequency band
kHz - 30 kHz, where most disturbances occur at 30 kHz.
hen I recheck in the frequency band 30 kHz - 150 kHz. Sometimes I also find
here disturbances.
Finally, I check with my Profi Spion with the Ball Antenna attached. That
ay in the MHz region spots can be found.
That way I found that not my satellite receiver itsself was disturbing, but
he imagesignals, which are digital now, do give disturbing signals on my
adiation poor 42"LCD television.
he sound can be heard at:
ttp://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html
I have come to another important conclusion:
The sounds on this website are just audio files, as MP3 files.
udio files are within 20 Hz up to 20.000 Hz.
echnically it is impossible that they contain high frequencies like f.i.
00 MHz or 1800 MHz, or 2150 MHz, or 3500 MHz.
o, these recorded sounds are just the lowfrequent modulations of wireless
ignals, WITHOUT the HIGHFREQUENT CARRIER WAVES.
I have observed, that ELECTROSENSIBLE persons by just listening to these
ounds GET ADVERSE EFFECTS.
That means, that NOT the high frequent carrier waves are disturbing, but the
odulations do.
I mentioned this in other newsgroups, and some scientists are looking into
his.
object to many studies where they expose persons to f.i. 825 MHz,
enerated by a frequency generator. Those signals are not modulated, and
herefore no effects were found, so these studies are worthless in my
pinion.
I also want to mention, that my recorded sounds come from original signals,
nd are quite different from signals generated by a frequency generator.
or instance, a 217 Hz tone, generated by a generator, no matter which wave
ype one chooses, sounds very different from the reality.
Of course it is long known, that HF signals without any modulation are less
armful than those with a modulation attached, but there was no proof to
hat.
ow we have the proof (in another way).
Greetings,
harles Claessens
ember Verband Baubiologie
ww.milieuziektes.nl
ww.milieuziektes.be
ww.hetbitje.nl
hecked by Bitdefender

---- Original Message -----
rom: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
o: <[hidden email]>
ent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 8:53 PM
ubject: [eSens] plasma TVs?

Hi all,

I was thinking of buying a new HDTV for the living room, and
was wondering if I should focus only on LCD models, as plasma
TVs seem to be worse for people with ES. But I wanted to
check here -- does anyone here find a plasma TV to be okay
for them?

Marc


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