Hi, I have come up with this hypothesis of ES after collating many opinions together that I think may be relevant. I don't write this much and avoid sending emails, but here goes. Excuse repetition, brain slow IS THE SENSE OF MAGNETORECEPTION IN ANIMALS RELATED TO THE CONDITION NAMED `ELECTROSENSITIVITY' IN HUMANS? Summary: There is a stream of evidence and opinion that indicates that magnetoreception in animals may be related to the phenomenon named `electrosensitivity' (ES) in humans, outlined briefly here. The human magnetoreception sense is discussed, and defects in it that could explain ES in some people predisposed with various pathologies are described, as well as supporting evidence from research. Importantly, anmials are now known to be able to detect one tho- sandth of the background radiation of the earth. Magnetoreception is the sense that some animals use to measure the earth's magnetic field, for purposes of navigation. Homing pigeons, migrating birds, honey bees that need to return to their hives and many others locate magnetic north with their magnetoreception sensory system- they have more than the commonly considered five external senses. Apparently so might we humans. The magnetoreception system appears quite complicated, and is not fully understood yet, but is thought to be primarily driven by tiny little magnets embedded in creatures. These magnets are small pieces of magnetite, or other magnetic minerals. Magnetite can be produced by bacteria called magnetotactic bacteria, that swim in the direction of the earths magnetic field. These magnets form part of the magnetic sense that also takes its inputs from sunlight, certain nerves, and in some the polarization of the local electric field of light. It is also now considered that the red blood cells may play a role in this system. In some creatures the system interfaces with the pineal gland (melatonin body clock). There are a few different magnetosensory systems, and they can operate differently depending on the time of day. For example homing pigeons were magnetization changed on overcast days, and their homing ability seemed to be impaired, whereas with the altered magnetization scrambling their magnetoreception on sunny days they could still navigate. Their could be a number of possible explanations for this, such as utilization of other sensory cues on sunny days, and more. For one idea, consider the following. If you are lost in the bush and want to navigate, then if you have a watch, and can see the sun, you can calculate north from this combination, as they teach in scouts, assuming you know the season. From time and sun, calculate north. Or from sun and north, calculate time of day. Given any two of three variables, you can calculate the third, assuming you know the season. Birds that travel look at the sun; instead of being blinded by looking into it, some creatures can look at the polarization of its rays. Some travel at night, and migrate via the stars or moon instead of the sun. This is not all understood yet. So a sense of time and sense of direction appear to possibly be linked. If you took the magnetite out of a homing pigeon's head, maybe it could not tell the time? This would need to be checked with circadian studies. The makeup in a birds head is complex, involving pineal gland, magnetite, eye sensors, in some species some nerves. The pineal involvement may reflect the above suggested link of time of day and navigation. If there is injury to these systems, navigation or maybe body clock could be impaired. For example it has now been found that migrating birds have their sense of direction damaged by radiofrequency EMR, in important studies by Ritz et al. They exposed birds to broad spectrum RF 0.1- 10 MHz at a very low level, and by varying its direction showed that they could scramble birds' magnetoreception. As described below, ELF magnetic field can interfere with magnetite magnets in a creatures brains, but not RF. The new research is showing that apparently another mechanism is also at work in magnetoreception. Chemical reactions (radical pair reactions considered to be in the eye) are affected by RF according to advanced theory. In experiments the researchers scrambled this light dependent magnetic compass (photomagnetoreceptor) with a resonant oscillating magnetic field OF A THOUSANDTH OF THE GEOMAGNETIC FIELD STRENGTH. As well as being a wonder of nature, for electrosensitivity research, this is surely relevant! One of the main workers in this field Kirschvink reports that he believes the magnetosensory system is only capable of responding to ELF magnetic fields, less than say 10 or so Hz, due to the nature of the magnetic particles. As mentioned below, human heart conditions are now shown to be affected in these frequency ranges by geomagnetic magnetic fields (Otsuka et al), depending on light- dark cycle. Russian EMR research and ES research find an association of EMR with heart conditions, and ES has found the same, discussed below. Possibly newer work in this field will reveal a greater frequency response of the magnetosensory system. There are some phenomena that indicate that animals magnetoreception may be being scrambled by humans- it is possibly involved in whale strandings, and some believe on lesser evidence declining bee health and birds slamming into radar towers. Whale stranding is not totally understood, but magnetic anomalies are thought to be a main cause. Stranded whales are often found at places where the magnetic field is perpendicular to its usual direction. Also it is thought that naval military activity is implicated. Mid range frequency sonar from military exercises has been blamed. Whales are found to have been disoriented prior to stranding. Submarines also communicate via ELF radiation (the kind considered a problem above), and produce electromagnetic disturbances. Opinion is that some whale sense is being disoriented by some form of radiation (EMR or sonar). Also many birds slam into radar towers with high death tolls. Some don't see the towers in the dark or fog and blind crash (see www.towerkills.com ), but most circle around the tower lights entranced somehow, and crash into the guy wires. Some research has shown transient disorientation on the birds by the towers' RF from tracking radars. However at that range, maybe the birds are in the near field of radiation from these towers, which could affect their magnetoreception in a different way. The light is considered to play the primary role, and light is related to their retinal magnetoreception. But when schooling fish see light in the dark they also cluster around it. When birds are preparing to migrate they are similarly in a state of overpowering migration unrest. Researchers have found some non thermal effects of pulsed microwaves on skull nerves of the birds, but do not know the relationship. VLF high power military radar was shown to effect chicks, but this is very strong. Thus research on animal disorientation is incomplete, but may need to be further investigated in the light of the new above RF effects. MOVING TO ELECTROSENSITIVITY. Humans are thought to also probably have magnetoreception. Studies by RR Baker formerly of Manchester University are described in his book `Human Navigation and Magnetoreception' (1989), although these await successful follow up. Dr Baker performed experiments by blindfolding and disorienting subjects, and showing that they could still indicate north and navigate. Other experiments were done scrambling the system with specifically placed fixed magnets stuck to heads and other misorientors and disorientors. We seem to have the same magnetic compass that animals have, with magnetic material throughout the brain, at the top of our noses near the ethmoid sinus, and possibly near the pituitary gland. Some evidence is that pacific island seafarers may have used this sense in sea migration. If you want to get somewhere, just follow your nose. The nose knows. If humans do have such a sense, then it would clearly be a candidate for research under the modern unnatural exposure levels to EMR in proximity of appliances and in the background of all public places. Also anything that interferes significantly with the magnetosensory organs could make them more vulnerable to environmental illness. Dr Baker considered all of this in his 1989 book, and there are numerous literature referrals to the possibility. Dr Baker considered whether effects of cigarette smoke, polyester clothing (static charge), alcohol, and sinus infection might affect human magnetoreception. All of these are implicated in symptom aggravation in groups of electrosensitives. Their effect on magnetoreception was not clear cut, with misorientations not entirely distinguishable from misorientations that would be produced in an otherwise healthy person, but the confluence of research directions is interesting. Recently, mobile phone radiation has been shown to effect magnetite producing bacteria, killing them off (Cranfield et al Mar 2003, `Preliminary evaluation of nanoscale biogenic magnetite-based ferromagnetic transduction mechanisms for mobile phone bioeffects'). This may be important. These experiments were carried out with a real mobile phone, and showed `Experimental evaluation revealed that exposure to mobile phone emissions resulted in a consistent and significantly higher proportion of cell death in exposed cultures versus sham exposure' For some reason, maybe to control all variables, these experiments were repeated by the researchers, however using an artificially produced kind of mobile phone radiation in an emulator called REFLEX, and to the contrary these later studies show no significant effect, creating the illusion of safety. However the initial study with a real mobile phone did clearly appear to show a damaging of these magnetite- producing bacteria. These experiments should be repeated, and advanced upon if there is more to find, using larger real world doses of radiation, and possibly broad spectrum mobile phone scanners. It was thought in these studies that the ELF magnetic signals and protocol signals are causing the bioeffects, in alignment with Kirschvink's magnetite hypotheses. Returning to ES, nerves such as trigeminal in the transequatorial migratory bird, the bobolink, were mentioned as being implicated in magnetoreception. A patient with multiple sclerosis of facial nerves, or an impeded ocular nerve could have a scrambled magnetosensory system. I know one with that condition and a very severe case of ES. Metal dental amalgam fillings, known to be associated with ES, produce oral galvanic currents via electrolysis, which can scramble facial nerves in the vicinity of the ethmoid sinus. These currents should produce micro magnetic field disturbances in that region, with possibly some flux linkage. Maybe chewing could produce ELF flux linkage. Also metal implants act as microaerials for RF similar to that used on the birds above, planted right next to the proposed magnetosensory system. Additionally the mercury released is known to be able to cause nerve damage. ES patients are warned to stay away from fungi and candida for unknown reasons. Fungi upset bacterial balance, which could potentially affect magnetotactic bacteria, and also spores can get into the nasal passages. Also ES people are more often than not sensitive to chemicals, which could be a sign of aggravation of the nasal or trigeminal nerves involved both in chemoreception and magnetoreception. This would require further research, but trigemenal and vomeronasal organ irritation have both been suggested in multiple chemical sensitivities. The facial nerves could simultaneously handle chemoreception and magnetoreception by the above radical pair reactions, or some variant thereof, producing the overlap of ES and MCS. Red blood cells are suspected of being involved in magnetoreception by some sources. Haemoglobin is predicted by computer models to be affected by microwave radiation, according to Zago M, D'Inzeo and Palombo, who researched microwave effects on zinc protoporphyrin. The large chelated molecules are slightly unstable with respect to microwaves, affecting the metabolism of iron. If red blood cells were part of magnetoreception, this could create a problem, possibly for ES. This porphyrin system is also responsible for detoxifying the blood, a weakness of which may be related speculatively to chemical sensitivities. A more thorough analysis would be needed. Russian radiofrequency illness affects in workers and military personnel concentrates on heart conditions, and says that after protracted (say 3 years) of exposure, the condition is permanent in these patients. The new Japanese heart rate variability related to geomagnetism below ELF may be appropriate here, and ES as listed below shows same heart problems. In an informal survey of ES in Electrical Sensitivity News ISSN 1086-2897 Vol 5 No 2, available on a newsgroup, by far the most prominent symptoms over many others were listed in order of frequency as: multiple chemical sensitivity 43 headache/ headpain 21 confusion/ disorientation/ difficulty thinking and/ or memory loss/ lapse 19 fatigue 17 cardiac arrhythmia/ heart irregularities/ palpitations and/ or chest pain/ pressure 15 burning and/ or itching skin 9 insomnia 9 Other than skin, these would appear to back up the arguments above. The primary symptoms of ES from multiple evidence sources including mobile phone tower radiation studies and British and other numerous independent civilian and military data, are sleep disorders, and memory problems/ headaches/ nausea, and skin problems possibly related to photosensitivity. A scrambled magnetosensory system has been proposed above to damage the body clock. This might account for sleep problems and a permanent case of jetlag. Indeed jetlag itself may be related to radiation exposure or alterations in geomagnetism in flight. Memory problems, headache and nausea are typical of disorientation (scrambled navigation). Melatonin has long been thought to be involved in radiation related health complaints. Magnetic field effects on melatonin level studies have been many and varied, and it seems as though melatonin effects may be modulated not only by magnetic fields, but also by UV and light- dark. Once again, these factors are linked in magnetoreception. Human subjects and homing pigeons with calcified pineal glands had defective sense of direction in a Bayliss CR 1985. Some sleep studies show altered sleep patterns in teenagers that are thought to be caused by EMR emissions from modern electronic multimedia devices, as opposed to teenagers just staying up late having a good time. Screen trance of some sort. Some individuals experience serotonin irritation syndrome with certain weather conditions. It is believed that either positive air ionization, or low frequency electromagnetic activity in the atmosphere preceding thunderstorms or with certain hot winds provoke this, as well as two other health effect subtypes. Serotonin is a precursor of melatonin. If the body clock in the pineal wanted to stop itself in response to electromagnetic activity by putting the brakes on, it could possibly lead to this buildup of the melatonin precursor serotonin. Once again speculative. Research on computer monitor related illness, video operator distress syndrome, apparently a manifestation of ES, has focused on light effects and EMR. Video operator distress was discovered about 20 years ago and linked to dental amalgams about 10. According to one source, when we look at a computer monitor we use our night vision, or `dark focus'. All of these concepts come together in magnetoreception. Some birds have confusing interactions with the light spectrum and intensity when operating magnetoreception. These may come into play looking into a computer monitor with an unnatural fluorescent light source coupled with EMR and ELF/ VLF low level magnetic fields. One producer of ES shielded monitor claims that the most difficult though important part of his work is shielding low level, low frequency magnetic fields. Another manufacturer has stated independently that he believes that the magnetosensory system is damaged in ES, and he attempts to address that with hand held worry ball magnets. He says strong commercial therapeutic magnets have an overwhelming and negative effect on ES, and ES have to start with the smaller weaker ones of a manufacturer. In his commercial experience, when the worry balls can be spun up as close as the face, ES is found to be gone. The human brain is known to react on EEG to 60 Hz magnetic fields of double the background of the earth (Marino AA et al), supporting some of this. Some ES are reported to strongly react to flicker from light sources around about 60 Hz. Flicker can be more visible to a damaged human visual system using peripheral vision retinal receptors, and could also be indicative of epileptiform behaviour in stressed ocular nerves, nerves that probably also carry extra magnetic field information. Some ES react more to high frequency EMR, some to low. Apart from magnetoreception, there is an animal sense called electroreception, not currently thought to be present in humans. For example `electrosensitive' (same term) sharks can detect voltage differences of 0.1 milli Volts! Obviously very sensitive. An electrosensitive pulse gymnotid funnels electrical information to its perioral region where there is an electrosensory fovea with a large density and variety of receptors. This region is also affected with electrical activity in oral electrogalvanism in ES due to dental amalgams. While it is thought most probable that humans do not have the same kind of electroreception as animals, we do perceive E fields under some conditions and this animal electroreception should not be forgotten. CONCLUDING It is an appealingly straightforward hypothesis that a subgroup of humans with the condition `electrosensitivity', and mobile phone responders, might be humans that have vulnerable or damaged or sensitized magnetoreception systems. This is a purely scientific explanation, and should be readily testable. Alternatively, altered magnetoreception in ES if it existed could be part of an overall sensory integration problem. Much of the evidence presented here has been preliminary and not firmly resolved, however ES symptoms have been strongly recognized for 20 years in computer and mobile phone users, and in military and radar staff for 40. ES people should be a primary, if not the primary, source of EMR research, which in the past they have not been. The present Word Health Organization conference in Prague is a welcome counterexample. RR Baker's studies of human navigation could easily be repeated on ES people before and after exposure to computers and mobile phones. It needs to be remembered that once their exposure has hit saturation level symptoms become much more prominent and can fire off unpredictably, according to some opinion. Stick them in a room and ask them to find north. Then change the lighting and turn on a mobile phone jammer, and see what happens. Do brain scans to measure their magnetite levels etc etc. The magnetite bacterial research has already started successfully, and magnetoreception in ES is a simple approach. Looking back through the literature, we find multiple references to magnetoreception as suspect. This condition must be tackled from a scientific footing to deal with many of the challenges that ES people face in daily lives. If magnetoreception is defective in some, there could be obvious widespread community concerns in this digital day and age. Rowan Campbell Melbourne, Australia Email accessed infrequently. [hidden email] REFERENCES NOT IN ORDER (SORRY ES) IEEE Trans Nanobioscience. 2003 Mar;2(1):40-3. Preliminary evaluation of nanoscale biogenic magnetite-based ferromagnetic transduction mechanisms for mobile phone bioeffects. Cranfield C, Wieser HG, Al Madan J, Dobson J. Phys. Biol. 1, 135-136 (2004). Birds use physical chemistry to find north. T. Ritz Nature 429, 177-180 (2004). Resonance effects indicate a radical pair mechanism for avian magnetic compass. T. Ritz., P. Thalau, J. Phillips, R. Wiltschko & W. Wiltschko. Disrupting Magnetic Compass Orientation with Radio Frequency Oscillating Fields Thorsten Ritz. In Proceedings of RIN01: Orientation & Navigation - Birds, Humans & other Animals Royal Institute of Navigation, Oxford (2001). Biomed Pharmacother. 2001;55 Suppl 1:63s-75s. Alternating light-darkness-influenced human electrocardiographic magnetoreception in association with geomagnetic pulsations. Otsuka K, Oinuma S, Cornelissen G, Weydahl A, Ichimaru Y, Kobayashi M,Yano S, Holmeslet B, Hansen TL, Mitsutake G, Engebretson MJ, Schwartzkopff O, Halberg F. Biomed Pharmacother. 2002;56 Suppl 2:284s-288s. Graded response of heart rate variability, associated with an alteration of geomagnetic activity in a subarctic area. Oinuma S, Kubo Y, Otsuka K, Yamanaka T, Murakami S, Matsuoka O, Ohkawa S, Cornelissen G, Weydahl A, Holmeslet B, Hall C, Halberg F; ICEHRV Working Group. Australas Phys Eng Sci Med. 2003 Dec;26(4):162-7. Human brain wave activity during exposure to radiofrequency field emissions from mobile phones. D'Costa H, Trueman G, Tang L, Abdel-rahman U, Abdel- rahman W, Ong K, Cosic I. Bioelectromagnetics. 1992;Suppl 1:101-13. Magnetite in human tissues: a mechanism for the biological effects of weak ELF magnetic fields. Kirschvink JL, Kobayashi-Kirschvink A, Diaz-Ricci JC, Kirschvink SJ. Br Med J (Clin Res Ed). 1985 Dec 21-28;291(6511):1758- 9. Pineal gland calcification and defective sense of direction. Bayliss CR, Bishop NL, Fowler RC. Neurosci Lett. 1987 Sep 23;80(2):229-34. Magnetic responses of the trigeminal nerve system of the bobolink (Dolichonyx oryzivorus). Beason RC, Semm P lin Neurophysiol. 2004 May;115(5):1195-201. 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On Oct 28, 2004, at 2:15 AM, rowsteroz wrote: > Additionally the > mercury released is known to be able to cause nerve > damage. ES patients are warned to stay away from > fungi and candida for unknown reasons. Fungi upset > bacterial balance, which could potentially affect > magnetotactic bacteria, Great article! Thank you for putting your thoughts and experiences down for all of our benefit. I just read a report recently on Mercury that may fill in a few blanks. This is from a lecture by Dietrich Klinghardt, MD and PhD, Sept. 1996. I can give his literature references if anyone wants to do more research. "...in a book written for the mining industry: "Biosorption of Heavy Metals:" To increase the yield of precious metals in old mines, so-called "biomasses" are sprayed into the mine shaft, washed out with water, and collected on ion exchange membranes. A biomass is a sludge of membranes from usually mono-cellular organisms that have a tendency to accumulate metals that they are exposed to in their outer cell wall. The list of organisms that have the highest affinity for toxic metals reads like a "who's who" of our typical human infectious diseases: fungi of the candida species, streptoococci, staphylococci, amoebas, etc., etc. The list is topped by two algae: chlorella pyreneidosa and chlorella vulgaris (not spirulina or super blue green algae!) This list prompted me to state what in Germany is now referred to as the "Klinghardt Axiom": Most --if not all--chronic infectious disease are not caused by a failure of the immune system, but are a conscious adaptation of the immune system to an otherwise lethal heavy metal environment. Mercury suffocates the intracellular respiratory mechanism and can cause cell death. So, the immune system makes a deal: it cultivates fungi and bacteria that can bind large amounts of toxic metals. The gain: the cells can breath. The cost: the system has to provide nutrition for the microorganisms and has to deal with their metabolic products ("toxins")." There is a Klinghardt protocol for a heavy metal detox. Please excuse me if this is old news to anyone. This is new to me. In short, he has a procedure for before, during and after the mercury amalgam removal. Most interesting to me was the use of high dosages of Chlorella. "The chief effect of Chlorella is to bind and remove toxic metals..." Also "Chinese Parsley (fresh Cilantro) can mobilize mercury and other toxic metals from the CNS (central nervous system)...This makes Cilantro the first known substance that mobilized mercury from the CNS." Hope this is helpful. Andrew North Carolina, USA |
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> There is a Klinghardt protocol for a heavy metal detox. Please excuse
> me if this is old news to anyone. This is new to me. > In short, he has a procedure for before, during and after the mercury > amalgam removal. > > Most interesting to me was the use of high dosages of Chlorella. "The > chief effect of Chlorella is to bind and remove toxic metals..." Note that I've been on a mercury poisoning discussion group for several years, and although chlorella gets a lot of good press, I've noticed that almost 100% of the people on the mailing list have a bad reaction to it, and absolutely will not take it again. I've even been to Klinghardt's clinic (it's near where I live in Seattle), and they did their ART supplement compatibility testing on me, and I tested poorly for chlorella. I did test okay for cilantro, NDF, and PCA Rx, but poorly for DMSA (all of these are heavy metal chelators). However, I didn't really get a good feeling about this clinic in general, and there were some people on the discussion group who had been made much worse following Klinghardt's protocols, so I decided not to go to this clinic again. Marc |
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removing Mercury, Aluminum and Lead? I am new to this list and apologize if this is old hat. Andrew On Oct 28, 2004, at 10:07 AM, Marc Martin wrote: > >> There is a Klinghardt protocol for a heavy metal detox. Please excuse >> me if this is old news to anyone. This is new to me. >> In short, he has a procedure for before, during and after the mercury >> amalgam removal. >> >> Most interesting to me was the use of high dosages of Chlorella. "The >> chief effect of Chlorella is to bind and remove toxic metals..." > > Note that I've been on a mercury poisoning discussion group for several > years, and although chlorella gets a lot of good press, I've noticed > that almost 100% of the people on the mailing list have a bad reaction > to it, and absolutely will not take it again. > > I've even been to Klinghardt's clinic (it's near where I live > in Seattle), and they did their ART supplement compatibility testing > on me, and I tested poorly for chlorella. I did test okay for > cilantro, NDF, and PCA Rx, but poorly for DMSA (all of these > are heavy metal chelators). However, I didn't really get a good > feeling about this clinic in general, and there were some people > on the discussion group who had been made much worse following > Klinghardt's protocols, so I decided not to go to this clinic again. > > Marc > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > |
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>There is a Klinghardt protocol for a heavy metal detox. Please excuse
>me if this is old news to anyone. This is new to me. >In short, he has a procedure for before, during and after the mercury >amalgam removal. >Most interesting to me was the use of high dosages of Chlorella. "The >chief effect of Chlorella is to bind and remove toxic metals..." >Also "Chinese Parsley (fresh Cilantro) can mobilize mercury and other >toxic metals from the CNS (central nervous system)...This makes >Cilantro the first known substance that mobilized mercury from the >CNS." I have been a cilantro fan for a few months, and it seems like it was helping to detox mercury, but then I noticed that it was actually stirring up mercury more than necessary. Chlorella had nasty side-effects from the first time I tried it. I have been researching a protocol by Dr. Andrew Cutler, which is the protocol that thousands of kids with Autism are using for mercury detox. After researching Andrew Cutler's methods, it has become apparent that he has nailed down a very good understanding of all the mechanics of how mercury invades our body, and how each type of chelator and supplement help/hinder our detox effort. He created a graph to show the type of symptom path a person will be on from the last day amalgam fillings are removed until one year as passed. It shows most of the major chelation methods, the effectiveness of them to remove mercury, and the corresponding symptoms one will experience at each month through that year on the various methods. The bottom line that I have learned is that all mercury detox methods release mercury, which then repoison the body to varying degrees depending on protocol used. So one has to choose how much progress one wants to make vs symptoms to endure. Chlorella and Cilantro are both on Dr. Andy Cutler's "don't use it, it will cause you more grief" list. He also mentions that scientists do not know exactly how cilantro releases mercury, so there is uncertainty in what it is doing. I'm about to embark on the next stage of my detox using Andrew's methods. He shows a clear picture of exactly how much mercury will be removed from my body, and what I may feel like at each stage of the detox. His methods are very unique in how they reduce symptoms while speeding up detox through "frequent dose chelation". After whitnessing so many families with children with autism getting good results with Andrew's method, I feel safe using this method if young children are doing well on this protocol. You can learn more about Andrew's protocol at yahoo groups or "Autism-Mercury" or "Frequent-dose-chelation". Autism-Mercury has 3600 members so will fill your inbox to the top about twice a day. Frequent-dose-chelation covers the same protocol, but much less messages posed. Andrew also has a book that goes into fine detail of mercury poisoning & detox. He is about to release a new book in November. Regards, Glenn |
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> protocol that thousands of kids with Autism are using for mercury detox. On the mercury discussion group I'm on, some folks have had horrible results with Cutler's protocol. I never tried it myself, because I was tested energetically as having a bad reaction to DMSA, and also because I don't like any protocol that requires me to take a supplement at 3 in the morning. :-) Also, I've heard complaints that Andy doesn't want to even hear about people who do badly on his protocol, or alternative protocols which work just as well, so it sounds like he's a bit close-minded. Andy is also from the Seattle area, and I've seen him on our public access channel when the local city council was having meetings on mercury poisoning. Listening to him, I didn't find him to be very credible. I've also read his book, and didn't really find much useful information in there, because I was interested in a non-pharmeceutical approach to recovery, and most of his solutions were pharmecuetically-based. Marc |
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> What do you recommend as the safest and most effective means of > removing Mercury, Aluminum and Lead? It seems to vary between people, depending on where the toxins are stored, how well their detoxification systems work, and what their nutritional deficiencies are (e.g. fatty acids, minerals). And I'm sure there are other factors. Having taken a lot of heavy metal chelators in the past 3 years and followed the discussions on a heavy metal poisoning group during that time, I can't say that there is a sure-fire, works-on-everyone solution. All I can say is what worked and didn't work for *me*, which isn't necessarily going to apply to anyone else. For example, I gave up on medical doctors in 2000, then gave up on naturapaths in 2001. Since then, I've gone to *really* alternative folks, who do EAV testing, muscle testing, have sets of homeopathic vials with all the common toxins in them for testing, etc. For me, my thyroid is really poisoned (even still), and my brain is pretty poisoned as well. And even though I had been taking chelators with my previous practitioners, my current practitioner doesn't consider me healthy enough and stable enough to even *start* taking chelators, even though I had my fillings removed in 2001, and have taken thousands of dollars worth of heavy metal chelators through 2001 - 2003! (she's really cautious) So, unfortunately, there is no simple answer to that question. I think I've probably detoxed more from EMF protection devices like the Springlife Polarizers than anything else. But even here you have to be careful -- after a months use of the personal rejuvenizers, my practioner tested my brain as being *more* mercury toxic than last month, although my thyroid is doing better. So perhaps these things simply move the mercury from one organ to another... (these findings are consistent with the symptoms these devices provoked) Marc |
>For me, my thyroid is really poisoned (even still)
Hi Marc, About a month ago I learned that coconut oil is great for thyroid. So I have been eating coconut oil on toast everyday for past month. I've noticed it has a leveling effect with thyroid so less of a roller coaster. It also speeds up metabolism which is good if mercury slows down your metabolism. TropicalTraditions.com have a new book out showing the great benefits people are getting with coconut oil for many illnesses. Another thing I have found recently is that my doctor has been prescribing me T4 for my hypothyroid. New advances show that adding a bit of T3 can go a long way for some people. One doctor mentions taking 2% T3, 98% T4. Glenn |
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> About a month ago I learned that coconut oil is great for thyroid. So I
> have been eating coconut oil on toast everyday for past month. I went through several bottles of some expensive coconut oil a year or two ago, and never noticed any effect from it at all. So its effect is not universal. My thyroid seems to respond to sea vegetation, most likely due to the iodine content. Marc |
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