MINERALS

can anyone recommend a good multi-mineral?  

i tend to avoid vitamin & mineral combined supplements cos i cannot
tolerate folic acid (my levels are already very high - anyone else got
very high folate levels, out of interest?)

I am very confused as to the doses to take for many of these minerals,
esp. things like copper, moly, boron, etc...  

it might be better to take all of the minerals separately so i can
monitor which ones make me feel better/worse. expensive, though..hmm

Hi Canary,

Biocare is one of the best in the UK. Readily available by mail-order
-- http://www.supportme.org is discounted, although their selection is
limited. I don't take multis because I need more control than they
allow, but their micellised (liquid) forms of single minerals and
vitamins have really helped me.

Emma

> can anyone recommend a good multi-mineral?

I find that most of the multi-mineral and multi-vitamin supplements
don't have any benefits, and may actually be harmful. The reason
is that most of the ingredients are derived from non-food sources
(some are even derived from coal, I believe!), and the body instead
treats them as toxic substances that need eliminating from the body.

Here is a webpage that shares my opinion:

http://www.allnaturalvitamins.net/

So my suggestion would be to get your minerals from actual foods,
or supplements whose only ingredients are foods.

Vitamineral Green is something that I have taken, although since
it has Spirulina in it and other superfoods, it may be too much
of a good thing:

http://www.healthforce.com/vitamineral_green.htm

Seasilver is pretty good, too.

Standard Process makes a variety of supplements that are derived
from whole foods -- Catalyn is their general-purpose, multi-vitamin
& multi-mineral supplements. The only problem with this brand
is that they try to restrict sales to doctors, which makes it
hard for the consumer to get it on their own. However, there
are a few places on the Internet where you can find pharmacies
and doctors violating the manufacturers desires and selling it to
the public (I buy mine from RiteCare.com).

Marc

Hi, Canary,

Yes, I have high folate levels. In my case, tho, we are not sure the blood testing is accurate due to intestinal permiability and the possibility that the folate site in my gut is damaged. This could possibly (tho unproven) result in folate passing into the blood stream but not actually having a carrier protein to make it usable to the body. That could account for the fact that it is abnormally high (gets in the blood with nowhere to go). My brother died of spina bifida, I have another brother with mild spina bifida, my son has mild spina bifida, and I nearly died of pernicious anemia in my 20s and 30s. The likelihood that I have actually too-high folate seems remote given this, but my blood tests do show that. I have the same problem with B12. However, I am better when I have regular B12 injections.

I take Carlson Labs Super Two Daily's for a multiple vit/min. I like them but they do have folate in them. As for how much to take, I have a great book called "Prescriptions for Nutritional Healing" by James and Phyllis Balsch. I go by my symptoms and the foods I do not eat, as much as possible, rather than doctor recommendations. Since celiac disease causes nutritional deficiencies due to the gut permiability issue and one is not sure whether the vits/mins are getting where they need to go, even tho my blood stream is a wealth of vitamins/minerals aplenty, this seems a better way to approach things for me. The book has many editions, so make sure you buy a current one if you look into this.

Btw, I do think alot of yous here have tight junction permiability issues yourselves (tho not necessarily gut tight junction issues). I kind of suspect that is the link we all have, but it is my personal theory. There was a list of ES article links sent thru the forum around Nov/Dec 2005 that listed an article about emfs causing tight junction permiability. This is the same tight junction permiability that celiacs experience, tho celiac tj damage is in the gut, blood-brain barrier, lungs, and heart and I do not know whether that is the same with ES tj issues. I just recently received a celiac news conference update that mentioned new research by a Dr. Wijmenga. She has found genes which cause tight junction permiability. In celiac speak, this translates as follows: to have celiac disease, one must have BOTH at least one celiac gene and a tight junction permiability gene. Most celiacs also have a second celiac gene. I can send this article if anyone is interested.
So, I am wondering if all ppl with ES also have a gene for tj permiability. This might be the deciding factor for whether one reacts to ES or not.

I take some of my minerals separately, but not all. (I take the multi, plus molyb separate, iron separate, take a water supplement with added mins, trace min supplement when I am not on the water, chromium, selenium, sulphur, calcium--(alot)--separately. Electrolytes are also important, so don't forget those. I take added potassium, and magnesium, and an electrolyte mix. I do have a nutritionist who oversees all of this and yes, it is expensive. He tells me I will not always have to take this much supplementation, but I still show signs of gut damage. I take what he suggests based on the recommendations in the book I mentioned. (Via symptoms and food prevalence.) The book also gives recommendations on what to take with what and when to take what.

My best to you; Hope this helps you decide how to proceed,
Diane

canaryyuk <[hidden email]> wrote:
can anyone recommend a good multi-mineral?

i tend to avoid vitamin & mineral combined supplements cos i cannot
tolerate folic acid (my levels are already very high - anyone else got
very high folate levels, out of interest?)

I am very confused as to the doses to take for many of these minerals,
esp. things like copper, moly, boron, etc...

it might be better to take all of the minerals separately so i can
monitor which ones make me feel better/worse. expensive, though..hmm





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By the way, on the subject of food-based mineral supplements, I'll note
that one of the supplements I'm currently taking is from Standard
Process, and is called "Organically Bound Minerals". The list of
ingredients is simply "Dried Alfalfa Juice, Kelp".

I'm also taking a supplement called "Cellfood", which is ionic
mineral/enzyme/oxygen drops extracted from seawater. This I've found to
be extremely beneficial, in terms of giving me obvious, repeatable
benefits in very short order (increased energy, decreased need for
sleep, improved vision, less feeling "oxygen deprived"). Quite a
contrast from the typical multi-vitamin, which typically gave me no
noticeable health benefits whatsoever.

Marc

thanks marc, evie, emma for your recommendations. Yes, emma, i have
been using a biocare multimineral on and off for the last couple of
years, which i 've just run out of. Its just that its got this list
of minerals but i don't know why they've only chosen certain ones and
not others and i don't understand the reasoning behind the doses. (I
realised that it didn't contain any iodine, for example, which i
believe you can only get from fish which i don't eat that much of,
especially now i live miles from the sea/supermarkets).

I totally get what you say Marc about trying to get stuff as natural
as possible, and i've printed out those supplements you think might
be worth giving a try. I tend not to supplement hugely, because i am
aware that it is a biological minefield, and stuff could be
accumulating in me and causing all sorts of potential problems. The
only thing i am taking at RDA everyday is magnesium, because its the
only thing that stops this horrid pain in my legs at night. And even
tho' a book i've got says that chances of overdose are non existant
with Magnesium, i'm still wary, and it hurts my tummy a bit when i;ve
eaten it. but it seems to be better than anything else at the moment
for helping to get me to sleep.


interesting evie that there might be something to this high folate
thing. It may be that i do eat alot of stuff with folate in, or it
may be indicative of something not working right. I know that the
pills that made me ill were like an incredibly strong
steriod/chemotherapy drug and that those sort of drugs acually
suppress the action of folate in the body cos apparently folate makes
cells divide quickly. So maybe thats just one of the many many areas
that got fucked up when i took the pills. :(



[hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

oh, and i meant to say, Evie, you say you take loads of calcium,
someone else said the same thing. why do you take loads of calcium?  
And what about the kidney stone thing? Are there other potential
side effects of too much calcium?

cheers
j

--- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <canary65@...> wrote:
>
> thanks marc, evie, emma for your recommendations. Yes, emma, i
have
> been using a biocare multimineral on and off for the last couple of
> years, which i 've just run out of. Its just that its got this
list
> of minerals but i don't know why they've only chosen certain ones
and
> not others and i don't understand the reasoning behind the doses.
(I
> realised that it didn't contain any iodine, for example, which i
> believe you can only get from fish which i don't eat that much of,
> especially now i live miles from the sea/supermarkets).
>
> I totally get what you say Marc about trying to get stuff as
natural
> as possible, and i've printed out those supplements you think might
> be worth giving a try. I tend not to supplement hugely, because i
am
> aware that it is a biological minefield, and stuff could be
> accumulating in me and causing all sorts of potential problems. The
> only thing i am taking at RDA everyday is magnesium, because its
the
> only thing that stops this horrid pain in my legs at night. And
even
> tho' a book i've got says that chances of overdose are non existant
> with Magnesium, i'm still wary, and it hurts my tummy a bit when
i;ve
> eaten it. but it seems to be better than anything else at the
moment
> for helping to get me to sleep.
>
>
> interesting evie that there might be something to this high folate
> thing. It may be that i do eat alot of stuff with folate in, or it
> may be indicative of something not working right. I know that the
> pills that made me ill were like an incredibly strong
> steriod/chemotherapy drug and that those sort of drugs acually
> suppress the action of folate in the body cos apparently folate
makes
> cells divide quickly. So maybe thats just one of the many many
areas
> that got fucked up when i took the pills. :(
>
>
>
> [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> >
> > > can anyone recommend a good multi-mineral?  
> >
> > I find that most of the multi-mineral and multi-vitamin
supplements
> > don't have any benefits, and may actually be harmful. The reason
> > is that most of the ingredients are derived from non-food sources
> > (some are even derived from coal, I believe!), and the body
instead
> > treats them as toxic substances that need eliminating from the
body. vitamin

Hi again, Canary,
   
Well, I cannot speak for others, but in my personal health situation, I need loads of calcium. I have not experienced any problems so far with kidney stones. And, yes, if you do not need the calcium, there are potential side effects. I believe it can knock out your parathyroid glands, for one thing.
   
I had osteoporosis when I was first dxed with celiac disease. Also, I had lymphatic and adrenal dysfunctions, both of which are dependent on calcium to function. I believe (someone correct me if I am wrong) that particular toxin problems also use up alot of calcium. Also, in MY case, the site at which calcium is extracted from the small intestine into the blood streamwas damaged. So this was and is still probably a large reason for which Ineed more calcium than most people. The gut can regenerate in most cases,but some celiacs (and some ppl with leaky gut syndromes) do not ever get full healing. It has been suggested by doctors that I am one of those, tho I do not count that as the last word on the subject. And certainly I have not decided to give up without a fight. ;) This is only meaningful to you, tho, if you are one of those with a leaky gut syndrome. Tho, there are various other illnesses which probably also require more calcium intake.
   
Hope this answers your questions,
Diane aka Evie

canaryyuk <[hidden email]> wrote:
oh, and i meant to say, Evie, you say you take loads of calcium,
someone else said the same thing. why do you take loads of calcium?
And what about the kidney stone thing? Are there other potential
side effects of too much calcium?

cheers
j

--- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <canary65@...> wrote:
>
> thanks marc, evie, emma for your recommendations. Yes, emma, i
have
> been using a biocare multimineral on and off for the last couple of
> years, which i 've just run out of. Its just that its got this
list
> of minerals but i don't know why they've only chosen certain ones
and
> not others and i don't understand the reasoning behind the doses.
(I
> realised that it didn't contain any iodine, for example, which i
> believe you can only get from fish which i don't eat that much of,
> especially now i live miles from the sea/supermarkets).
>
> I totally get what you say Marc about trying to get stuff as
natural
> as possible, and i've printed out those supplements you think might
> be worth giving a try. I tend not to supplement hugely, because i
am
> aware that it is a biological minefield, and stuff could be
> accumulating in me and causing all sorts of potential problems. The
> only thing i am taking at RDA everyday is magnesium, because its
the
> only thing that stops this horrid pain in my legs at night. And
even
> tho' a book i've got says that chances of overdose are non existant
> with Magnesium, i'm still wary, and it hurts my tummy a bit when
i;ve
> eaten it. but it seems to be better than anything else at the
moment
> for helping to get me to sleep.
>
>
> interesting evie that there might be something to this high folate
> thing. It may be that i do eat alot of stuff with folate in, or it
> may be indicative of something not working right. I know that the
> pills that made me ill were like an incredibly strong
> steriod/chemotherapy drug and that those sort of drugs acually
> suppress the action of folate in the body cos apparently folate
makes
> cells divide quickly. So maybe thats just one of the many many
areas
> that got fucked up when i took the pills. :(
>
>
>
> [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> >
> > > can anyone recommend a good multi-mineral?
> >
> > I find that most of the multi-mineral and multi-vitamin
supplements
> > don't have any benefits, and may actually be harmful. The reason
> > is that most of the ingredients are derived from non-food sources
> > (some are even derived from coal, I believe!), and the body
instead
> > treats them as toxic substances that need eliminating from the
body. vitamin


         

 
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