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Looking for info on EMI/RFI attenuation on Furman ss-6b

abailey63
I was looking at a low cost temporary line filtering solution for a
computer that I think has a dicey power supply. I was wondering if
anyone had any idea of what the filtering was on this model (ss-6b).
It's about $30. I know that their more expensive filters have "linear"
filtering but I'm still learning what exactly this means. I couldn't
find any info on Furman's web site.

Thanks, Alan

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abailey63
Just to show that I'm not completely sitting on my butt. I found this
in a related product the M-10. Nothing on the ss-6b. But I'm guessing
it's similar. It's basicly low pass filtering. Now I just need to find
out what that does on an AC circuit and I'm sure I'll need to learn
something else to understand that" I call this a recursive problem
:-). I do have an idea of what a low pass filter does on audio so I'm
guessing its similar.

"RFI/EMI INTERFERENCE: Noise from RFI
(Radio Frequency Interference) or EMI (Electro
Magnetic Interference) involves lower voltages
and less energy than is found in spikes, but it is
continuous rather than transient in nature. It is
not likely to cause damage, but it can certainly
be annoying, producing static in audio circuits,
"snow" on video screens, or garbled data in
computers. Noise can be introduced into AC
lines by nearby radio transmitters, certain kinds
of lighting, electric motors, and other sources.
Because noise occurs at higher
frequencies than the 50 or 60 Hz AC line, it can
be effectively reduced through use of low-pass
filtering."


--- In [hidden email], "abailey63" <abailey63@...> wrote:

>
> I was looking at a low cost temporary line filtering solution for a
> computer that I think has a dicey power supply. I was wondering if
> anyone had any idea of what the filtering was on this model (ss-6b).
> It's about $30. I know that their more expensive filters have "linear"
> filtering but I'm still learning what exactly this means. I couldn't
> find any info on Furman's web site.
>
> Thanks, Alan
>

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Re: Looking for info on EMI/RFI attenuation on Furman ss-6b

charles-4
Hello,

the September 2008 issue of *het bitje* explains a lot about those filters.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender

----- Original Message -----
From: "abailey63" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:46 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Looking for info on EMI/RFI attenuation on Furman ss-6b


> Just to show that I'm not completely sitting on my butt. I found this
> in a related product the M-10. Nothing on the ss-6b. But I'm guessing
> it's similar. It's basicly low pass filtering. Now I just need to find
> out what that does on an AC circuit and I'm sure I'll need to learn
> something else to understand that" I call this a recursive problem
> :-). I do have an idea of what a low pass filter does on audio so I'm
> guessing its similar.
>
> "RFI/EMI INTERFERENCE: Noise from RFI
> (Radio Frequency Interference) or EMI (Electro
> Magnetic Interference) involves lower voltages
> and less energy than is found in spikes, but it is
> continuous rather than transient in nature. It is
> not likely to cause damage, but it can certainly
> be annoying, producing static in audio circuits,
> "snow" on video screens, or garbled data in
> computers. Noise can be introduced into AC
> lines by nearby radio transmitters, certain kinds
> of lighting, electric motors, and other sources.
> Because noise occurs at higher
> frequencies than the 50 or 60 Hz AC line, it can
> be effectively reduced through use of low-pass
> filtering."
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "abailey63" <abailey63@...> wrote:
>>
>> I was looking at a low cost temporary line filtering solution for a
>> computer that I think has a dicey power supply. I was wondering if
>> anyone had any idea of what the filtering was on this model (ss-6b).
>> It's about $30. I know that their more expensive filters have "linear"
>> filtering but I'm still learning what exactly this means. I couldn't
>> find any info on Furman's web site.
>>
>> Thanks, Alan
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Re: Looking for info on EMI/RFI attenuation on Furman ss-6b

Marc Martin
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> I know that their more expensive filters have "linear"
> filtering but I'm still learning what exactly this means. I couldn't
> find any info on Furman's web site.

I've got the more expensive Furman power strips with linear filtering.
They are definitely more tolerable to me than cheap power strips with
capacitors. They also reduce the noise readings on the Stetzerizer
meters on the surrounding outlets.

Furman claims that the cheap filters lower the lower frequencies, but
then may raise or cause spikes at some higher frequencies. "Linear"
filtering is supposed to not raise the higher frequencies or cause
spikes.

Marc

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Re: Looking for info on EMI/RFI attenuation on Furman ss-6b

BiBrun
I know Stetzer filters draw current that is a distorted sine wave,
which indicates that the capacitor is acting in a nonlinear way.
A good quality capacitor would draw a sine wave.

It is easy to make a filter that will filter out frequencies around 10 MHz
or higher. It is much harder to filter down at 200 or 20 kHz, but that's
the range where a lot of switching power supplies operate.

Bill

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> > I know that their more expensive filters have "linear"
> > filtering but I'm still learning what exactly this means. I couldn't
> > find any info on Furman's web site.
>
> I've got the more expensive Furman power strips with linear filtering.
> They are definitely more tolerable to me than cheap power strips with
> capacitors. They also reduce the noise readings on the Stetzerizer
> meters on the surrounding outlets.
>
> Furman claims that the cheap filters lower the lower frequencies, but
> then may raise or cause spikes at some higher frequencies. "Linear"
> filtering is supposed to not raise the higher frequencies or cause
> spikes.
>
> Marc
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Re: Looking for info on EMI/RFI attenuation on Furman ss-6b

abailey63
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Thanks for the info. And of course they are way more expensive. But I
guess you get what you pay for. Money is starting to become an issue
for me... Sigh.

Thanks, Alan
--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

>
> > I know that their more expensive filters have "linear"
> > filtering but I'm still learning what exactly this means. I couldn't
> > find any info on Furman's web site.
>
> I've got the more expensive Furman power strips with linear filtering.  
> They are definitely more tolerable to me than cheap power strips with
> capacitors. They also reduce the noise readings on the Stetzerizer
> meters on the surrounding outlets.
>
> Furman claims that the cheap filters lower the lower frequencies, but
> then may raise or cause spikes at some higher frequencies. "Linear"
> filtering is supposed to not raise the higher frequencies or cause
> spikes.
>
> Marc
>

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Re: Looking for info on EMI/RFI attenuation on Furman ss-6b

abailey63
In reply to this post by charles-4
Hi Charles,

Is there a url for this. Is this accessible without a subscription.
I found an earlier post for a Nov 2007 issue in pdf. But I can't quite
decipher the pattern in the url. Unfortunately I only understand
English. So navigating the site is well, "challenging".
I'm afraid I'm an American and ... you know... couldn't translate my
way out a paper bag :-)

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> the September 2008 issue of *het bitje* explains a lot about those
filters.

>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Bitdefender
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "abailey63" <abailey63@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:46 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Looking for info on EMI/RFI attenuation on
Furman ss-6b

>
>
> > Just to show that I'm not completely sitting on my butt. I found this
> > in a related product the M-10. Nothing on the ss-6b. But I'm guessing
> > it's similar. It's basicly low pass filtering. Now I just need to find
> > out what that does on an AC circuit and I'm sure I'll need to learn
> > something else to understand that" I call this a recursive problem
> > :-). I do have an idea of what a low pass filter does on audio so I'm
> > guessing its similar.
> >
> > "RFI/EMI INTERFERENCE: Noise from RFI
> > (Radio Frequency Interference) or EMI (Electro
> > Magnetic Interference) involves lower voltages
> > and less energy than is found in spikes, but it is
> > continuous rather than transient in nature. It is
> > not likely to cause damage, but it can certainly
> > be annoying, producing static in audio circuits,
> > "snow" on video screens, or garbled data in
> > computers. Noise can be introduced into AC
> > lines by nearby radio transmitters, certain kinds
> > of lighting, electric motors, and other sources.
> > Because noise occurs at higher
> > frequencies than the 50 or 60 Hz AC line, it can
> > be effectively reduced through use of low-pass
> > filtering."
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "abailey63" <abailey63@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I was looking at a low cost temporary line filtering solution for a
> >> computer that I think has a dicey power supply. I was wondering if
> >> anyone had any idea of what the filtering was on this model (ss-6b).
> >> It's about $30. I know that their more expensive filters have
"linear"

> >> filtering but I'm still learning what exactly this means. I couldn't
> >> find any info on Furman's web site.
> >>
> >> Thanks, Alan
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Re: Looking for info on Furman ss-6b. Never mind I'm on idiot

abailey63
I found the publication by scrolling down. Duh!!

Thanks, Alan

--- In [hidden email], "abailey63" <abailey63@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Charles,
>
> Is there a url for this. Is this accessible without a subscription.
> I found an earlier post for a Nov 2007 issue in pdf. But I can't quite
> decipher the pattern in the url. Unfortunately I only understand
> English. So navigating the site is well, "challenging".
> I'm afraid I'm an American and ... you know... couldn't translate my
> way out a paper bag :-)
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > the September 2008 issue of *het bitje* explains a lot about those
> filters.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Bitdefender
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "abailey63" <abailey63@>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:46 AM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Looking for info on EMI/RFI attenuation on
> Furman ss-6b
> >
> >
> > > Just to show that I'm not completely sitting on my butt. I found
this
> > > in a related product the M-10. Nothing on the ss-6b. But I'm
guessing
> > > it's similar. It's basicly low pass filtering. Now I just need
to find
> > > out what that does on an AC circuit and I'm sure I'll need to learn
> > > something else to understand that" I call this a recursive problem
> > > :-). I do have an idea of what a low pass filter does on audio
so I'm

> > > guessing its similar.
> > >
> > > "RFI/EMI INTERFERENCE: Noise from RFI
> > > (Radio Frequency Interference) or EMI (Electro
> > > Magnetic Interference) involves lower voltages
> > > and less energy than is found in spikes, but it is
> > > continuous rather than transient in nature. It is
> > > not likely to cause damage, but it can certainly
> > > be annoying, producing static in audio circuits,
> > > "snow" on video screens, or garbled data in
> > > computers. Noise can be introduced into AC
> > > lines by nearby radio transmitters, certain kinds
> > > of lighting, electric motors, and other sources.
> > > Because noise occurs at higher
> > > frequencies than the 50 or 60 Hz AC line, it can
> > > be effectively reduced through use of low-pass
> > > filtering."
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], "abailey63" <abailey63@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I was looking at a low cost temporary line filtering solution for a
> > >> computer that I think has a dicey power supply. I was wondering if
> > >> anyone had any idea of what the filtering was on this model
(ss-6b).
> > >> It's about $30. I know that their more expensive filters have
> "linear"
> > >> filtering but I'm still learning what exactly this means. I
couldn't

> > >> find any info on Furman's web site.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, Alan
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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Re: Looking for info on EMI/RFI attenuation on Furman ss-6b

charles-4
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Hello,

translating your way out of a paper bag is difficult, especially if you
don't know how you got there in the first place.
;o)

Clicking in www.milieuziektes.nl and further on the chapter *het bitje* will
lead you to the issues.

Or, clicking in www.hetbitje.nl willlead you at the bottom and the
aforementioned issues.

And I always had the impression, that Americans had no fears at all (only in
scary movies).

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "abailey63" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:25 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Looking for info on EMI/RFI attenuation on Furman ss-6b


> Hi Charles,
>
> Is there a url for this. Is this accessible without a subscription.
> I found an earlier post for a Nov 2007 issue in pdf. But I can't quite
> decipher the pattern in the url. Unfortunately I only understand
> English. So navigating the site is well, "challenging".
> I'm afraid I'm an American and ... you know... couldn't translate my
> way out a paper bag :-)
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> the September 2008 issue of *het bitje* explains a lot about those
> filters.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> member Verband Baubiologie
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>> www.milieuziektes.be
>> www.hetbitje.nl
>> checked by Bitdefender
>>