Loans

Hello Marc,

what about the loans.
You suggested some time ago that other members in the group could ttest some
of your products.

But I do not see any reactions.
As far as I know, some people are still waiting for the products to arrive.

On my behalf you received a Bioprotect card.
Because your sensibility was diminished in such a way, that you felt that
you were in no position to test it,
you let a woman (of Bioharmonics ??) test it. Not in practice against
elektrosmog, but as a comparison to other feelings, which is not
representative for the working.
Did you send it to other persons in order to report their findings when they
wear it against elektrosmog?

I still get reports from electrosensitive people, even with MCS, who feel
the working, even within minutes.

But from the eSens group I hear nothing.

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> what about the loans.
> You suggested some time ago that other members in the group could test
> some of your products.
> But I do not see any reactions.

Yes, this did seem like a good idea at the time, but in practice it
appears to have been a failure. I sent several items out to various
people. It would appear that some were lost in the mail, and in other
cases the items made it to the person, but the person either did not
report what their reaction was, or did not forward it to anyone else.
The only exceptions to this was that Lachlan reported that he *might*
be feeling something from the small Springlife Polarizer, and someone
else reported to me privately that they noticed nothing from the
Earthcalm resonator pendant.

> On my behalf you received a Bioprotect card.
> Did you send it to other persons in order to report their findings when
> they wear it against elektrosmog?

Yes, I did mail it to someone else on this list, but that person
never received it! (I've never experienced such a high percentage of
mail loss ever before -- I can only assume that it was because mail
sent to certain countries is not as "guaranteed" as others )

Marc

Hi all,

After the question about our EMF protection device loaning, I emailed
one of the people I sent some items to, to see if they were received and
if there was anything to report. The items I sent were from
BeWisePolarize.com, which the person compared with a Slimline Springlife
Polarizer purchased from Bioharmonics.com.

Here is the reply I got:

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It's nice to hear from you. Yes, I did receive the package that you
sent me. Thanks again. And I did wind up buying the Springlife
polarizer. I did compare them and found that the polarizers that you
sent me did seem to help, but also made me feel kind of weird and
agitated. The Springlife polarizer, on the other hand has been great.
I really like it and take it out with me everyday. Take care,
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It always amazes me when someone can tolerate being around one
of the large Springlife Polarizers all day -- even after almost a year
of using these things, I can only tolerate being around the smaller
models for an extended period of time!

Marc

Hi Marc,

I wear a Slimline Polarizer in my pants pocket allmost all day. Don't have massive detoxing symptoms. I'm even wondering whether it is beneficial to me. But when sleeping I have to put it 1,5-2 meters away from, otherwise I don't sleep well.

Regards, Niels

----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Martin
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 2:01 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Loans


Hi all,

After the question about our EMF protection device loaning, I emailed
one of the people I sent some items to, to see if they were received and
if there was anything to report. The items I sent were from
BeWisePolarize.com, which the person compared with a Slimline Springlife
Polarizer purchased from Bioharmonics.com.

Here is the reply I got:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's nice to hear from you. Yes, I did receive the package that you
sent me. Thanks again. And I did wind up buying the Springlife
polarizer. I did compare them and found that the polarizers that you
sent me did seem to help, but also made me feel kind of weird and
agitated. The Springlife polarizer, on the other hand has been great.
I really like it and take it out with me everyday. Take care,
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It always amazes me when someone can tolerate being around one
of the large Springlife Polarizers all day -- even after almost a year
of using these things, I can only tolerate being around the smaller
models for an extended period of time!

Marc

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>I wear a Slimline Polarizer in my pants pocket allmost all day.
>Don't have massive detoxing symptoms. I'm even wondering whether
>it is beneficial to me. But when sleeping I have to put it 1,5-2
>meters away from, otherwise I don't sleep well.

Hmmm... well it must just be me that's so sensitive to these
things...

Not sleeping well is a sign that it's doing something, but it
sounds like it's not really helping with EMF either. Have you
found any devices, or foods, or supplements, or anything else
that has helped increase your tolerance significantly?

Marc

> Not sleeping well is a sign that it's doing something, but it
> sounds like it's not really helping with EMF either. Have you
> found any devices, or foods, or supplements, or anything else
> that has helped increase your tolerance significantly?

No real solution found yet. I still react strong to my LCD screen and things like fluorescent lights. Someone gave me a tube with seasalt to put on the screen. It did help for some time, but seems to have lost its power.

I don't know about GSM transmitters. They'll be harmfull, no doubt, but I don't get headaches or other symptoms when I walk past them.

Still searching... Someone told me a good Schumann resonator could perhaps help.

Niels


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> No real solution found yet. I still react strong to my LCD screen and
> things like fluorescent lights.

I'll be very interested to hear what finally works for you. I know
that I still have a strong reaction to LCD screens and laptops if I use
them for extended periods for more than several days. The only
thing which I have noted that really helps me are the stronger items
from Quantum Products. The Springlife Polarizers do not solve my
sensitivity to LCD monitors. My solution thus far has been to just
use CRT monitors, which I like better anyway because of their picture
quality.

Also, I've noticed that a regular use of LCD monitors cause a huge
increase in my sensitivity to florescent lighting. CRT monitors
do not do this.

Marc

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that has helped increase your tolerance significantly?

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I think the fluorescent light inside the LCD screen is the cause of a lot of
problems and it's worth noting that this is not the only way to light an LCD.
I hope to test this theory sometime. Let's face it, we are a bunch of people
sensitive to electromagnetic phenomena, and light is another form of
electromagnetic radiation to which our bodies are known to react in a number of
ways. Perhaps the light itself, or the fact that it is pulsed (comparable
perhaps to the way digital mobile phone signals are pulsed), whichj causes us
problems or contributes in part to other problems...

-----Original Message-----
From: Niels Geurts [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Sunday, 5 September 2004 9:26 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Loans

> Not sleeping well is a sign that it's doing something, but it
> sounds like it's not really helping with EMF either. Have you
> found any devices, or foods, or supplements, or anything else
> that has helped increase your tolerance significantly?

No real solution found yet. I still react strong to my LCD screen and things
like fluorescent lights. Someone gave me a tube with seasalt to put on the
screen. It did help for some time, but seems to have lost its power.

I don't know about GSM transmitters. They'll be harmfull, no doubt, but I don't
get headaches or other symptoms when I walk past them.

Still searching... Someone told me a good Schumann resonator could perhaps
help.

Niels


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> I think the fluorescent light inside the LCD screen is the cause of a lot of
> problems and it's worth noting that this is not the only way to light an LCD.
> I hope to test this theory sometime.

Yes, I was wondering if you had found another backlighting yet. You
said you were experimenting with it.

Niels

Just a matter of finding the time

-----Original Message-----
From: Niels Geurts [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 6:17 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Loans

> I think the fluorescent light inside the LCD screen is the cause of a lot of
> problems and it's worth noting that this is not the only way to light an LCD.
> I hope to test this theory sometime.

Yes, I was wondering if you had found another backlighting yet. You
said you were experimenting with it.

Niels
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>>I think the fluorescent light inside the LCD screen is the cause of a lot of
>>problems and it's worth noting that this is not the only way to light an LCD.
>>I hope to test this theory sometime.

If one waits long enough, non-fluorescent LCD monitors may become
mainstream. For example, I see that Mitsubishi is about to release an
LED backlight LCD monitor sometime later this year:

http://www.plasma-tv-den.com/necmitsubishi/necmitsubishi_21_3_inch_uxga_led_backlit/1c.html

Of course, who's to say that this wouldn't be just as difficult to
tolerate (or even worse?) than a fluorescent backlight... (as I'm
rather surprised that I have a harder time with LCDs than CRTs!)

Marc

> If one waits long enough, non-fluorescent LCD monitors may become
> mainstream. For example, I see that Mitsubishi is about to release an
> LED backlight LCD monitor sometime later this year:
>
> http://www.plasma-tv-den.com/necmitsubishi/necmitsubishi_21_3_inch_uxga_led_backlit/1c.html
>
> Of course, who's to say that this wouldn't be just as difficult to
> tolerate (or even worse?) than a fluorescent backlight... (as I'm
> rather surprised that I have a harder time with LCDs than CRTs!)


I also heard about OLED:

http://www.wave-report.com/tutorials/oled.htm

They use only two to ten volts to operate, so might cause less trouble.

Niels