Liver pain with ES

I have had ES for ten years now, and am finding more and more that I have an intense pain in the liver area when using a PC (I can only use a PC when I use a projector, so the PC is about 20 feet away, but now the projector is causing me problems too). Can anyone shed any light as to what the liver pain is about? I have had it checked out at the hospital, and there seems to be nothing visibly wrong with it. As I only have the pain during and after PC use, I know it is connected to my ES, but am not sure how. 
 
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Maybe you have gallstones, and/or intra-hepatic gallstones. The remedy for this is doing several liver-gallbladder flushes. The procedure is old and well-known and is described in numerous sources - like Hulda Clark, Donald W. Kelley, Andreas Moritz. I use the procedure described by Andreas Moritz in his book "the amazing liver and gallbladder flush" and it works well.
Doing this flush is also the way to find out if you have gallstones or not (x-rays will not tell). If you have, you should continue doing the flush once a month until there comes no more stones - which could take more than 10 months if you have a severe case (I have just finished my 12. flush).



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> I have had ES for ten years now, and am finding more and more that I have an intense pain in the liver area when using a PC (I can only use a PC when I use a projector, so the PC is about 20 feet away, but now the projector is causing me problems too). Can anyone shed any light as to what the liver pain is about? I have had it checked out at the hospital, and there seems to be nothing visibly wrong with it. As I only have the pain during and after PC use, I know it is connected to my ES, but am not sure how. 
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On April 10, psverdrup <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Maybe you have gallstones, and/or intra-hepatic gallstones.

And why would gallstones cause pain when being near a PC?
I could see that if there was a buildup of heavy metals in the
liver, then exposure to EMF might cause pain.  But gallstones?

Marc

Emfs cause inflammation.Inflammation often causes pain. Lizzie
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      On April 10, psverdrup <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Maybe you have gallstones, and/or intra-hepatic gallstones.



And why would gallstones cause pain when being near a PC?

I could see that if there was a buildup of heavy metals in the

liver, then exposure to EMF might cause pain.  But gallstones?



Marc



   
     

   
   






       

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Hi, yes I have done a few liver flushes. I don't think the problem is gallstones, though, as they would have come up on the ultrasound that I had done at the hospital, and I would also feel ill after eating fatty foods. It is definitely related to ES. It is almost like my liver is being 'cooked'... horrible! Like being kicked in the side...

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May I add a word or two...
Try taking a TBSP of organic apple cider vinegar with half a glass of organic apple juice mixed with half a glass of water twice a day, for a week or two. If you have gall or liver stones, this mixture will gradually eliminate the stones. I always had pain coming and going and gnawing at my liver and side. I get it no more. Also, put a TBSP of flax seed in 2 cups  of boiling water in a pot and simmer for 5 minutes. Drink it. This eases the pain significantly. I have read that it is very important to ingest good oils for the liver. Since I have been ingesting MCT oil I have no liver pain. Please consult Earth Clinic website for further info on health. Google the site along with liver problems and you will learn quite a lot. Also, Mercola/liver problems may help.
Sincerely,
Laurie 
 

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Hi, yes I have done a few liver flushes. I don't think the problem is gallstones, though, as they would have come up on the ultrasound that I had done at the hospital, and I would also feel ill after eating fatty foods. It is definitely related to ES. It is almost like my liver is being 'cooked'... horrible! Like being kicked in the side...

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> Emfs cause inflammation.Inflammation often causes pain. Lizzie
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Hi Penny,

I had liver pain (not intense but persistent) when I was living and working around wifi and a lot of technology. I was a Desktop Support Technician and was around a LOT of PCs.  Docs checked it out and found nothing as well, but yet I had this persistent pain. Taking good quality milk thistle extract helped a little, but I didn't find relief until I began to avoid wifi and significantly reduced my time around PCs (i.e. quit my job and moved out into the country). That's my experience...

I think folks have already touched on possible causes for this, but EMR avoidance for me has worked best. Some docs recommend coffee enemas to help the liver dump toxins and detox, but I've found that was too intense, causing me more troubles...

Perhaps getting a projector that can mount on your ceiling might give you some distance...

Hang in there,
Tim




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I have had ES for ten years now, and am finding more and more that I have an intense pain in the liver area when using a PC (I can only use a PC when I use a projector, so the PC is about 20 feet away, but now the projector is causing me problems too). Can anyone shed any light as to what the liver pain is about? I have had it checked out at the hospital, and there seems to be nothing visibly wrong with it. As I only have the pain during and after PC use, I know it is connected to my ES, but am not sure how. 
 
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