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I have noticed this: I have got radio headphones (radioshack). They often made a loud painful burst of noise into the ears, especially when the microwave oven was turned on. But now after all the sockets were grounded, the headphones doesn't make this noise. That means it helps. Have you tried LCD kits where all the parts are separate and you should assemble it yourself. For example the controller is made to go into PCI slot. And inverter for the light is external. So you can assemble it so that in front of you only the LCD panel itself plus the light were present, but other parts will be remote. Interesting stuff was found on how to remake a cheap LCD screen into a not bad projector cheaply to try that setting. From that article I understood that actually you can try to remake an LCD into the system described above with the innards placed remotely if you understand something in this matters. Daniil |
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Yes interesting. Can you say more about how you grounded the sockets?
Do you mean the wall sockets or on the headphones? If you used a grounding rod, how long is the wire that goes to it? Is the base station plugged in on the same circuit as the microwave oven? Do you know what frequency the headphones use? Also, if you could send a link to the LCD kit that you mean? I do think if one has some intuition for electronics, it is possible to reduce the emissions of an LCD panel. Adding foil shielding, putting ferrite chokes on cables, increasing contact area between shields grounded to each other. Moving the electronics out certainly is a good idea, and some people have replaced the backlights with small LED lights. A projector is also a good idea (but make sure the power supply does not contaminate your house wiring). I've heard of one guy who uses fiber optics for connections so that he doesn't have to worry about the cables radiating. But he's an engineer... Bill On Nov 10, 2007 4:24 AM, pronina_n <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hello > I have noticed this: I have got radio headphones (radioshack). They > often made a loud painful burst of noise into the ears, especially > when the microwave oven was turned on. But now after all the sockets > were grounded, the headphones doesn't make this noise. That means it > helps. > Have you tried LCD kits where all the parts are separate and you > should assemble it yourself. For example the controller is made to go > into PCI slot. And inverter for the light is external. So you can > assemble it so that in front of you only the LCD panel itself plus the > light were present, but other parts will be remote. Interesting stuff > was found on how to remake a cheap LCD screen into a not bad projector > cheaply to try that setting. From that article I understood that > actually you can try to remake an LCD into the system described above > with the innards placed remotely if you understand something in this > matters. > Daniil > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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In a message dated 11/10/2007 1:37:17 PM GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: were grounded, the headphones doesn't make this noise. That means it > helps. > Have you tried LCD kits where all the parts are separate and you > should assemble it yourself. For example the controller is made to go > into PCI slot. And inverter for the light is external. So you can > assemble it so that in front of you only the LCD panel itself plus the > light were present, but other parts will be remote. Interesting stuff > was found on how to remake a cheap LCD screen into a not bad projector > cheaply to try that setting. From that article I understood that > actually you can try to remake an LCD into the system described above > with the innards placed remotely if you understand something in this > matters. > Daniil I have recently taken a 15inch LCD apart to acheive what you say, my intention was to use daylight as a light scource behind the LCD panel, I took out the inverter plus the cold cathode flourecent lights, but the stumbling block for me was the short cable that links the LCD with the mother circuit board. I tried to slice and soldier 14 very small wires toa telephone extension but it did not work, I am now going to use equivekant wire and shrink wrap, I will let you know how I get on perhaps post a photo or 2. It makes good sense to try by a process of elimination to discover the main problem electronics, it might turn out that the lcd panel will also be a problem after a while and so on.... Day before yesterday I tried a different approach having aquired a 22 IIYAMA CRT - I sat approx 1.8m from it zoomed up the fonts moved the laptop 3m away and observed that the feeling from this was less imediately troubling than using my 17inch LCD at a similar distance. This causes fairly rapid onset of skin itching/tingling to temples/scalp/ears/face plus great agitation and then on to cognitive disfunction. The CRT cuases more noticble increase in tinitus and a deep fatigue set in, unfortnatley I felt really ill yesterday as a result, ie more sensitive than ususal ! Tommorow I start a job as a surveyor on a good hourly rate as I need the money, but whata bad idea this has got to be, people say, I say - give it a go and see what happens, but I have been doing this now for 5 yrs so I am stuck in the same broken record, I have high earning potential but it relies on being able to use a computer for a good few hours sat at a desk amidst other users, mobiles, flourecents general office environment, plus alot of driving long distance to get to sites the alternative is to seek more manual work but to slave away for little money - my idea was to work less hours from home, but this is thartwed by the PC issue, what a dam visious circle - but my advice to anyone who finds themselves in this position is not to keep punishing themselves by staying in computer related work, get out early and seek alternatives otherwise you will run yourself into the fround, afer 5 yrs of hanging onto my chosen carreer as a building surveyor I am now heading his way - unless that is some genius can find me a way to sit and veiw a computer image witout world war 3 errupting in my sore head ! I suppose in simple terms it find job that you like (ex computers etc) and get over the money bit, easier said than done . Paul Uk rambling a bit [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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In a message dated 11/10/2007 1:37:17 PM GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: Yes interesting. Can you say more about how you grounded the sockets? Do you mean the wall sockets or on the headphones? If you used a grounding rod, how long is the wire that goes to it? Is the base station plugged in on the same circuit as the microwave oven? Do you know what frequency the headphones use? Also, if you could send a link to the LCD kit that you mean? I do think if one has some intuition for electronics, it is possible to reduce WE MUST NOT FORGET THAT THE KEYBPARD AND MOUSE EMIT EMR SO WE MUST THINK OF A SOLUTION HERE TO. pAUL UK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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About the sockets: An electrician was called to do that. In our
country we have usually sockets with just too openings and without a grounding contact. So our apartment house has an opportunity to make a grounding in a fuse box. Actually the master put a cable from there to all the sockets in our apartment where were devices with such kind of plug (euro standard). He changed the sockets that were there consequently on the other, euro type with a contact for the grounding. Then he connected the contacts on the sockets with the cable that went to the fuse box. What is interesting is that there was a demonstration that the grounding works. He took an ordinary bulb and put one contact from it to one opening of the socket and the other contact to the grounding contact and the bulb started to light as if it was just connected to a socket. I don't quite understand what is the base station, if you mean by that the transmitter base of the headphones then the answer is this: The headphones itself doesn't have a grounding plug/contact as well as their base station. They use frequencies in the MHz range as far as I remember. "900 MHz" is written on them. Ø Is the base station plugged in on the same circuit as the microwave oven? I think yes but don't know for sure. What interesting about this projector is that they tell how completely dismantle an LCD and to put it together again. So you understand from that that it could be assembled but with the innards moved out if you have some knowledge. Although that is risky you can take a cheap used LCD for that end. This is the link http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/11/13/supersize_your_tv_for_/page2.html About the kits. It needs some research. It's too long now to search for that link for the site which I have found. Try google, may be I will find it later. Daniil |
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At least as a surveyor you can wear a metal helmet and look normal!
The surveyors here now use 400MHz pulsed GPS correction transmitters. Don't hang out near the base station (30 watts)! Bill On Nov 11, 2007 3:46 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > > In a message dated 11/10/2007 1:37:17 PM GMT Standard Time, > [hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com> > > writes: > > were grounded, the headphones doesn't make this noise. That means it > > helps. > > Have you tried LCD kits where all the parts are separate and you > > should assemble it yourself. For example the controller is made to go > > into PCI slot. And inverter for the light is external. So you can > > assemble it so that in front of you only the LCD panel itself plus the > > light were present, but other parts will be remote. Interesting stuff > > was found on how to remake a cheap LCD screen into a not bad projector > > cheaply to try that setting. From that article I understood that > > actually you can try to remake an LCD into the system described above > > with the innards placed remotely if you understand something in this > > matters. > > Daniil > > I have recently taken a 15inch LCD apart to acheive what you say, my > intention was to use daylight as a light scource behind the LCD panel, I > took out > the inverter plus the cold cathode flourecent lights, but the stumbling > block > for me was the short cable that links the LCD with the mother circuit > board. > I tried to slice and soldier 14 very small wires toa telephone extension > but > it did not work, I am now going to use equivekant wire and shrink wrap, I > will let you know how I get on perhaps post a photo or 2. It makes good > sense > to try by a process of elimination to discover the main problem > electronics, > it might turn out that the lcd panel will also be a problem after a while > and > so on.... > > Day before yesterday I tried a different approach having aquired a 22 > IIYAMA > CRT - I sat approx 1.8m from it zoomed up the fonts moved the laptop 3m > away > and observed that the feeling from this was less imediately troubling than > > using my 17inch LCD at a similar distance. This causes fairly rapid onset > of > skin itching/tingling to temples/scalp/ears/face plus great agitation and > then on to cognitive disfunction. > The CRT cuases more noticble increase in tinitus and a deep fatigue set > in, > unfortnatley I felt really ill yesterday as a result, ie more sensitive > than > ususal ! > > Tommorow I start a job as a surveyor on a good hourly rate as I need the > money, but whata bad idea this has got to be, people say, I say - give it > a go > and see what happens, but I have been doing this now for 5 yrs so I am > stuck in > the same broken record, I have high earning potential but it relies on > being > able to use a computer for a good few hours sat at a desk amidst other > users, mobiles, flourecents general office environment, plus alot of > driving long > distance to get to sites the alternative is to seek more manual work but > to > slave away for little money - my idea was to work less hours from home, > but > this is thartwed by the PC issue, what a dam visious circle - but my > advice to > anyone who finds themselves in this position is not to keep punishing > themselves by staying in computer related work, get out early and seek > alternatives > otherwise you will run yourself into the fround, afer 5 yrs of hanging > onto > my chosen carreer as a building surveyor I am now heading his way - unless > > that is some genius can find me a way to sit and veiw a computer image > witout > world war 3 errupting in my sore head ! > > I suppose in simple terms it find job that you like (ex computers etc) and > > get over the money bit, easier said than done . > > Paul Uk rambling a bit > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> but my advice to
> anyone who finds themselves in this position is not to keep punishing > themselves by staying in computer related work, get out early and seek alternatives Hmmm, I went back to computer work and have been doing it for 6 years since getting ES, and don't regret it. This difference in opinion between you and I seems to be due to my being able to find supplements and EMF devices that make the workplace tolerable for me. Marc |
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Not surprized that the CRT didn't work out. I'm sure
it was a 19 inch NEC CRT that initially made me electrosensitive back in 2001. That and a botched up amalgam filling. A few seconds in front of that thing would put me out for days. I've been trying a Hewlet Packard 2510p. It's an ultra portable laptop with an Intel ultra low voltage processor and LED backlit. It has no wireless devices installed. I'm using a USB keyboard and mouse, both of which are shielded, and I'm sitting 6 ft away. So far the tinnitus and chest pains are somewhat under control. Been on it for 4 hours now and just feeling the need to get the f* off it. That's after a day of getting fried at work. This laptop is a far cry from the L2000 ("live strong" my butt) laptop which ultimately burnt me up. It'll take another week or so to come up with a final assessment. Now it's running on the AC adapter without the battery installed. It emits the lowest magnetic field this way. Also, got my first Methyl B-12 intramuscular injection last week. It seems to have given me some more strength to overcome this ES calamity. Additionally, for the tinnitus I'm trying a supplement called "lipo flavenoid". It's available at Wallgreens. It has Inositol and a bunch of B vitamins, with lemon extract. Gotta keep trying. Eli --- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/10/2007 1:37:17 PM GMT Standard Time, wbruno@... > writes: > > were grounded, the headphones doesn't make this noise. That means it > > helps. > > Have you tried LCD kits where all the parts are separate and you > > should assemble it yourself. For example the controller is made to go > > into PCI slot. And inverter for the light is external. So you can > > assemble it so that in front of you only the LCD panel itself plus the > > light were present, but other parts will be remote. Interesting stuff > > was found on how to remake a cheap LCD screen into a not bad projector > > cheaply to try that setting. From that article I understood that > > actually you can try to remake an LCD into the system described above > > with the innards placed remotely if you understand something in this > > matters. > > Daniil > > > > I have recently taken a 15inch LCD apart to acheive what you say, my > intention was to use daylight as a light scource behind the LCD panel, I took out > the inverter plus the cold cathode flourecent lights, but the stumbling block > for me was the short cable that links the LCD with the mother circuit board. > I tried to slice and soldier 14 very small wires toa telephone extension but > it did not work, I am now going to use equivekant wire and shrink wrap, I > will let you know how I get on perhaps post a photo or 2. It makes good sense > to try by a process of elimination to discover the main problem electronics, > it might turn out that the lcd panel will also be a problem after a while and > so on.... > > Day before yesterday I tried a different approach having aquired a 22 IIYAMA > CRT - I sat approx 1.8m from it zoomed up the fonts moved the laptop 3m away > and observed that the feeling from this was less imediately troubling than > using my 17inch LCD at a similar distance. This causes fairly rapid onset of > skin itching/tingling to temples/scalp/ears/face plus great agitation and > then on to cognitive disfunction. > The CRT cuases more noticble increase in tinitus and a deep fatigue set in, > unfortnatley I felt really ill yesterday as a result, ie more sensitive than > ususal ! > > Tommorow I start a job as a surveyor on a good hourly rate as I need the > money, but whata bad idea this has got to be, people say, I say - give it a go > and see what happens, but I have been doing this now for 5 yrs so I am stuck in > the same broken record, I have high earning potential but it relies on being > able to use a computer for a good few hours sat at a desk amidst other > users, mobiles, flourecents general office environment, plus alot of driving long > distance to get to sites the alternative is to seek more manual work but to > slave away for little money - my idea was to work less hours from home, but > this is thartwed by the PC issue, what a dam visious circle - but my advice to > anyone who finds themselves in this position is not to keep punishing > themselves by staying in computer related work, get out early and seek alternatives > otherwise you will run yourself into the fround, afer 5 yrs of hanging onto > my chosen carreer as a building surveyor I am now heading his way - unless > that is some genius can find me a way to sit and veiw a computer image witout > world war 3 errupting in my sore head ! > > I suppose in simple terms it find job that you like (ex computers etc) and > get over the money bit, easier said than done . > > Paul Uk rambling a bit > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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I would expect the AC adapter to contaminate your power lines
unless you have it on a filter? I imagine some power supplies would be better than the stock adapter? Bill On Nov 13, 2007 8:31 PM, jaime_schunkewitz <[hidden email]> wrote: > Not surprized that the CRT didn't work out. I'm sure > it was a 19 inch NEC CRT that initially made me > electrosensitive back in 2001. That and a botched up > amalgam filling. A few seconds in front of that thing > would put me out for days. > > I've been trying a Hewlet Packard 2510p. It's an > ultra portable laptop with an Intel ultra low voltage > processor and LED backlit. It has no wireless devices installed. > I'm using a USB keyboard and mouse, both of which are shielded, > and I'm sitting 6 ft away. > > So far the tinnitus and chest pains are somewhat > under control. Been on it for 4 hours now and just feeling > the need to get the f* off it. That's after a day of getting fried > at work. This laptop is a far cry from the L2000 ("live strong" my > butt) laptop which ultimately burnt me up. It'll take another > week or so to come up with a final assessment. > > Now it's running on the AC adapter without the battery installed. > It emits the lowest magnetic field this way. > > Also, got my first Methyl B-12 intramuscular injection last week. > It seems to have given me some more strength to overcome this ES > calamity. Additionally, for the tinnitus I'm trying a supplement > called "lipo flavenoid". It's available at Wallgreens. It has Inositol > and a bunch of B vitamins, with lemon extract. > > Gotta keep trying. > Eli > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, paulpjc@... wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 11/10/2007 1:37:17 PM GMT Standard Time, > wbruno@... > > > writes: > > > > were grounded, the headphones doesn't make this noise. That means > it > > > helps. > > > Have you tried LCD kits where all the parts are separate and you > > > should assemble it yourself. For example the controller is made > to go > > > into PCI slot. And inverter for the light is external. So you can > > > assemble it so that in front of you only the LCD panel itself > plus the > > > light were present, but other parts will be remote. Interesting > stuff > > > was found on how to remake a cheap LCD screen into a not bad > projector > > > cheaply to try that setting. From that article I understood that > > > actually you can try to remake an LCD into the system described > above > > > with the innards placed remotely if you understand something in > this > > > matters. > > > Daniil > > > > > > > > I have recently taken a 15inch LCD apart to acheive what you say, > my > > intention was to use daylight as a light scource behind the LCD > panel, I took out > > the inverter plus the cold cathode flourecent lights, but the > stumbling block > > for me was the short cable that links the LCD with the mother > circuit board. > > I tried to slice and soldier 14 very small wires toa telephone > extension but > > it did not work, I am now going to use equivekant wire and shrink > wrap, I > > will let you know how I get on perhaps post a photo or 2. It > makes good sense > > to try by a process of elimination to discover the main problem > electronics, > > it might turn out that the lcd panel will also be a problem after > a while and > > so on.... > > > > Day before yesterday I tried a different approach having aquired a > 22 IIYAMA > > CRT - I sat approx 1.8m from it zoomed up the fonts moved the > laptop 3m away > > and observed that the feeling from this was less imediately > troubling than > > using my 17inch LCD at a similar distance. This causes fairly > rapid onset of > > skin itching/tingling to temples/scalp/ears/face plus great > agitation and > > then on to cognitive disfunction. > > The CRT cuases more noticble increase in tinitus and a deep fatigue > set in, > > unfortnatley I felt really ill yesterday as a result, ie more > sensitive than > > ususal ! > > > > Tommorow I start a job as a surveyor on a good hourly rate as I > need the > > money, but whata bad idea this has got to be, people say, I say - > give it a go > > and see what happens, but I have been doing this now for 5 yrs so I > am stuck in > > the same broken record, I have high earning potential but it > relies on being > > able to use a computer for a good few hours sat at a desk amidst > other > > users, mobiles, flourecents general office environment, plus alot > of driving long > > distance to get to sites the alternative is to seek more manual > work but to > > slave away for little money - my idea was to work less hours from > home, but > > this is thartwed by the PC issue, what a dam visious circle - but > my advice to > > anyone who finds themselves in this position is not to keep > punishing > > themselves by staying in computer related work, get out early and > seek alternatives > > otherwise you will run yourself into the fround, afer 5 yrs of > hanging onto > > my chosen carreer as a building surveyor I am now heading his way - > unless > > that is some genius can find me a way to sit and veiw a computer > image witout > > world war 3 errupting in my sore head ! > > > > I suppose in simple terms it find job that you like (ex computers > etc) and > > get over the money bit, easier said than done . > > > > Paul Uk rambling a bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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In a message dated 11/14/2007 5:47:45 PM GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: I've been trying a Hewlet Packard 2510p. It's an > ultra portable laptop with an Intel ultra low voltage > processor and LED backlit. It has no wireless devices installed. > I'm using a USB keyboard and mouse, both of which are shielded, > and I'm sitting 6 ft away. > Do let us know how you get on with this, how much did this lot cost ? oh size of screnn etc.. Paul UK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Here's a link to the specs:
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/321957-321957-64295-321838-306995-3355633.html It cost 1800 U.S. dollars. It has a 12 inch screen. It runs 10 hours on a single charge (9 cell battery). My L2000 "live strong" microwave oven gets 2 hours on the same battery. This laptop is a step in the right direction. Will provide an update soon. I have to burn it in so all the chemicals emanating from it don't enter my brain. I did get a bad headache after 4 hours of use and suspect it's the chemicals. It's sitting outside idling. Currently testing my Mitsubishi pocket projector again. Cleaned up the power supply with a filter. The house no longer rattles when it's on. Eli - In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/14/2007 5:47:45 PM GMT Standard Time, wbruno@... > writes: > > I've been trying a Hewlet Packard 2510p. It's an > > ultra portable laptop with an Intel ultra low voltage > > processor and LED backlit. It has no wireless devices installed. > > I'm using a USB keyboard and mouse, both of which are shielded, > > and I'm sitting 6 ft away. > > > > > > Do let us know how you get on with this, how much did this lot cost > size of screnn etc.. > > Paul UK > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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In a message dated 11/15/2007 4:11:40 AM GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: Currently testing my Mitsubishi pocket projector again. Cleaned up the power supply with a filter. The house no longer rattles when it's on. Eli Got the deal on the pocket prjector that sounds equally interesting paul uk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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This is link concerning LCD kits: http://store.earthlcd.com The site
needs research. You could find other sites with such products on the internet, maybe cheaper than here. For example I have found that link with that keywords: "LCD panel" + kit. Daniil |
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