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I wish it was a simple as that I cant evan use a normal landline without
getting tingling/iching nausea often on the other side of the head ?!! to the phone. P best device has got to be airtube -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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" I wish it was a simple as that I cant evan use a normal landline without getting tingling/iching nausea often on the other side of the head ?!! to the phone." ..and then concluded that a cell phone w/ air tube must be best. Shivani replies: Like you, I can't use an ordinary landline phone without getting symotoms. However, I can comfortably use a land line speaker phone, which does not involve my touching the phone. In order for this to work for me, though, I had to switch to entirely plastic glasses. I also remove earrings when I am going to use the phone. And I keep the cord to the phone as far away from my body as possible. The entire cord and phone broadcast electrical pollution frequencies. I have yet to try the ferrite bead that is supposed to help with that, as we had already switched our phone cords to a size the beads don't fit. That would be worth trying, too, though. My speaker phone cost less than $10. You might like to try that. Regards, Shivani Arjuna www.LifeEnergies.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Thanks Shivani, have you seen what I did to my speakerphone if not I have
posted a photo on the photo section, basically I have extracted the small microphone and attached it to a long cord and then onto a cresent shaped hairband which slips easily around my neck, this works well for me so that I can keep my distance from the main body of the phone. P [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> I wish it was a simple as that I cant evan use a normal landline
> without getting tingling/iching nausea often on the other side of > the head ?!! to the phone." Oh, sorry about that... it's been about 5 years since I've had symptoms from using a landline, but I do recall when I was forced to use a speakerphone. Although I can never be 100% sure about what eliminated that problem, my theory is: -- removal of all dental metals (silver, gold, etc.) -- mercury chelation (using NDF followed by Microhydrin) -- EMF protection devices (most notably Quantum Products) Marc |
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Yes I do have rather a lot of metal in my mouth !
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> Yes I do have rather a lot of metal in my mouth !
When I had all of the metal removed from my mouth, I found that a number of my health problems went away immediately, and never came back. The ES was a little more pesky however, and required years of heavy metal chelating to give noticeable improvement. And given that I am still rather sensitive to taking heavy metal chelators, I'd say that I still have a ways to go... (I'm going rather slow these days, taking about 4 drops of NDF each day) Marc |
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Interesting one today - Went for interview and discussed issue of ES and how
this would effect my ability to carry out office work, I explained to the man (only after he dropped the question re my "Sensitivity" that my ultimate dream was to find an understanding employer who would be able to make adjustments to enable me to work comfortably such as allowing me a speaker phone, work from home where possible and basically be understanding/flexible etc, its a little like flogging a dead horse though I am pretty positive that he will not contact me despite having very good credentials. I explained that I should be treated as a person with an impairment than can be alleviated by adjustements to the working environment, but I suppose I am only kidding myself, I should really seek employment for outside work, but this is generally low paid ! On another note today I stepped out into my garden and felt a sudden stinging in my head typical of exposure to cell phone at close distance ? 3 minutes later the sky started to turn black the wind got up and we had the tail end of a tornado with high speed hail stones to boot, it was a very weird feeling prior to this kinda beautiful, I suppose I should have fled, it was a bit like looking at the wave prior to the tsunami !!! Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Paul,
If you haven't already, look into inflammation as a mechanism of your ES symptoms. For me, response to changes in air pressure seem to be about inflammation. (External air pressure drops, my cells expand and cause various problems.) One theory is that inflammation is a reaction to free radicals; the body tries to dilute them with extra fluids. My inflammation levels correlate closely with exposure (primarily synthetic chems, ES is secondary). At the best of times, I have trouble keeping up with discussions. These are not the best of times. And my internet connection is currently as dodgy as my body. I try to keep up with this list because I've learned a lot from people here about the nutritional aspects, so ask them for more info if you need it. I probably won't manage to answer until next June. %-) Emma > On another note today I stepped out into my garden and felt a sudden > stinging in my head typical of exposure to cell phone at close > distance ? 3 minutes > later the sky started to turn black the wind got up and we had the > tail end > of a tornado with high speed hail stones to boot, it was a very weird > feeling |
--- In [hidden email], Emma Tailleir <sinclair@...> wrote:
> Dear Sens Group Here is a new report from some German doctors on EMF's. It is long, but I like the way they catergorize the symptoms Health Alert Summary: A number of German doctors are combining together to put forward their observations of adverse health effects from pulsed high-frequency EMFs (microwave) to the Prime Minister of Bavaria, Dr. Edmund Stoiber. The health effects include headaches, tiredness, inability to concentrate and dizziness, and show an alarming trend. The results of the evaluations are as follows: (* See below the graph for the definitions of the "Symptom Groups") It is worth explaining the indicated levels. The values convert approximately as follows: 10 µW/m2 = 0.06 V/m average 100 µW/m2 = 0.2 V/m average 1000 µW/m2 = 0.6 V/m average * The symptom groups are defined as follows: Group 1: No symptoms Group 2: Sleep disturbance, tiredness, depressive mood Group 3: Headaches, restlessness, dazed state, irritability, disturbance of concentration, forgetfulness, learning difficulties, difficulty finding words. Group 4: Frequent infections, sinusitis, lymph node swellings, joint and limb pains, nerve and soft tissue pains, numbness or tingling, allergies Group 5: Tinnitus, hearing loss, sudden hearing loss, giddiness, impaired balance, visual disturbances, eye inflammation, dry eyes Group 6: Tachycardia, episodic hypertension, collapse Group 7: Other symptoms (Hormonal disturbances, thyroid disease, night sweats, frequent urge to urinate, weight increase, nausea, loss of appetite, nose bleeds, skin complaints, tumours, diabetes) If true, this is a very clear trend. For those where it is under 10 µW/m2 70% of the sample (37 people) suffered no adverse health effects. For those where the power flux density is over 100 µW/m2 only 5-6% of the sample (172 people) did not experience adverse health effects. Please look at this graph to see how these levels translate to exposure from a typical mast. Microwave signals are often above 0.6 V/m within 400 metres! There are no counfounding factors listed in the data, but the strength of the trend is extremely pronounced. This is further evidence to support the potential adverse health effects that may be synonymous with the pulsed Microwave technology that surround us in everyday life. Those in the medical profession are beginning to voice their concerns, and it is worth bearing in mind that they have first hand experience of real people with real problems. It is important not to discard this evidence due to lack of experimental control, as it seems that a number of qualified professionals have independently found the same trends. At the very least this should call for more organised research into these findings. The following is a foreword written by the doctor who is representing the group, Dr. Cornelia Waldmann Selsam: Foreword - Documented Health Damage under the Influence of High Frequency Electromagnetic Fields Dr. Cornelia Waldmann Selsam, Karl-May-Str.48, 96049 Bamberg These reports show that the people for years have been ill due to pulsed high frequency electromagnetic fields, without the treating doctors recognizing the cause. For that reason, people who are receiving the high frequency at home or at work have suffered and are suffering and they receive no therapy. The deciding [effective] therapy is to end the exposure. The continually repeated assertion in the media by the Radiological Protection Commission (Strahlenschutzkommission), that there is no proof for health risks under the present valid limits, has had the consequence that most doctors, (including myself until a year ago) have not drawn a relationship between the many unexplained illness patterns and high frequency radiation. The doctors do not know that at not one single mobile phone base station have investigations into the health-state of the people been carried out. Thus, the evaluation of the Strahlenschutzkommission in 2001 has no scientific basis. In Oberfranken, we have just evaluated the medical complaints of 356 people who have had long-term [radiation] exposure in their homes. The pulsed high frequency electro magnetic fields (from mobile phone base stations, from cable-less DECT telephones, amongst others), led to a new, previously unknown pattern of illnesses with a characteristic symptom complex. People suffer from one, several or many of the following symptoms: Sleep disturbances, tiredness, disturbance in concentration, forgetfulness, problem with finding words, depressive mood, ear noises, sudden loss of hearing, hearing loss, giddiness, nose bleeds, visual disturbances, frequent infections, sinusitis, joint and limb pains, nerve and soft tissue pains, feeling of numbness, heart rhythm disturbances, increased blood pressure episodes, hormonal disturbances, night-time sweats, nausea. Even at 10µW/m2 (only 0.06 V/m average) many people are becoming ill. The symptoms occur in temporal and spatial relationship to exposure. It is no way only a subjective sensitivity disturbance. Disturbances of rhythm, hearing problems, sudden deafness, hearing loss, loss of vision, increased blood pressure, hormonal disturbances, concentration impairments, and others can be proved using scientific objective measures. Some of the health disturbance disappears immediately the exposure ceases (removal of DECT telephone, temporary moving away from home, permanently moving away, using shielding). Therefore, the expansion must be stopped immediately. Mobile phone base stations, in whose fields people are exposed to more than 10µW/m2 must be turned off. DECT telephones must be changed. Affected people, relatives and doctors must jointly commit themselves and work together with all their energy [to this end]. Evaluation of symptoms of 356 people under long time home exposure to high frequency pulsed electromagnetic fields (DECT,telephones, mobile phone base stations) versus the level of the power flux density in microwatts per square metre. Source: http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/news/20050722_bamberg.asp?pf=1 > Paul, > > If you haven't already, look into inflammation as a mechanism of your > ES symptoms. For me, response to changes in air pressure seem to be > about inflammation. (External air pressure drops, my cells expand and > cause various problems.) > > One theory is that inflammation is a reaction to free radicals; the > body tries to dilute them with extra fluids. My inflammation levels > correlate closely with exposure (primarily synthetic chems, ES is > secondary). > > At the best of times, I have trouble keeping up with discussions. These > are not the best of times. And my internet connection is currently as > dodgy as my body. I try to keep up with this list because I've learned > a lot from people here about the nutritional aspects, so ask them for > more info if you need it. I probably won't manage to answer until next > June. %-) > > Emma > > > On another note today I stepped out into my garden and felt a sudden > > stinging in my head typical of exposure to cell phone at close > > distance ? 3 minutes > > later the sky started to turn black the wind got up and we had the > > tail end > > of a tornado with high speed hail stones to boot, it was a very > > feeling > |
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I am sorry, but I disagree with this statement. See *het bitje* December 2006, english version. It is not true, that everybody will have health effects by levels under 200-2000 µW/m2. That is only true for 25 % of the population, who have something in their body that can react. *Hard* health effects may only occur at levels of over 10,000 to 20,000 µW/m2, which is the case with most mobile phones, some DECT phones and wireless modems. Persons who have become electrosensible may react at 1 µW/m2, or even lower levels. (Last week I met people, who went beserk by a meter with a 9V block battery.) Only people with a distorted immune system may get electrosensible. And when they succeed in raising their immune system, their sensibility decreases. I fully agree, so far, life for electrosensibles is hell. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "phylliciah" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 18:42 Subject: [eSens] Re: Interesting option for cellphone users... > --- In [hidden email], Emma Tailleir <sinclair@...> wrote: >> > Dear Sens Group > > Here is a new report from some German doctors on EMF's. It is > long, but I like the way they catergorize the symptoms > > > Health Alert > > Summary: > A number of German doctors are combining together to put forward their > observations of adverse health effects from pulsed high-frequency EMFs > (microwave) to the Prime Minister of Bavaria, Dr. Edmund Stoiber. The > health effects include headaches, tiredness, inability to concentrate > and dizziness, and show an alarming trend. > > The results of the evaluations are as follows: (* See below the graph > for the definitions of the "Symptom Groups") > > It is worth explaining the indicated levels. The values convert > approximately as follows: > > 10 µW/m2 = 0.06 V/m average > 100 µW/m2 = 0.2 V/m average > 1000 µW/m2 = 0.6 V/m average > > * The symptom groups are defined as follows: > > Group 1: No symptoms > > Group 2: Sleep disturbance, tiredness, depressive mood > > Group 3: Headaches, restlessness, dazed state, irritability, > disturbance of concentration, forgetfulness, learning difficulties, > difficulty finding words. > > Group 4: Frequent infections, sinusitis, lymph node swellings, joint > and limb pains, nerve and soft tissue pains, numbness or tingling, > allergies > > Group 5: Tinnitus, hearing loss, sudden hearing loss, giddiness, > impaired balance, visual disturbances, eye inflammation, dry eyes > > Group 6: Tachycardia, episodic hypertension, collapse > > Group 7: Other symptoms (Hormonal disturbances, thyroid disease, night > sweats, frequent urge to urinate, weight increase, nausea, loss of > appetite, nose bleeds, skin complaints, tumours, diabetes) > > If true, this is a very clear trend. For those where it is under 10 > µW/m2 70% of the sample (37 people) suffered no adverse health > effects. For those where the power flux density is over 100 µW/m2 only > 5-6% of the sample (172 people) did not experience adverse health > effects. Please look at this graph to see how these levels translate > to exposure from a typical mast. Microwave signals are often above 0.6 > V/m within 400 metres! There are no counfounding factors listed in the > data, but the strength of the trend is extremely pronounced. > > This is further evidence to support the potential adverse health > effects that may be synonymous with the pulsed Microwave technology > that surround us in everyday life. Those in the medical profession are > beginning to voice their concerns, and it is worth bearing in mind > that they have first hand experience of real people with real > problems. It is important not to discard this evidence due to lack of > experimental control, as it seems that a number of qualified > professionals have independently found the same trends. At the very > least this should call for more organised research into these findings. > > The following is a foreword written by the doctor who is representing > the group, Dr. Cornelia Waldmann Selsam: > > > > Foreword - Documented Health Damage under the Influence of High > Frequency Electromagnetic Fields > Dr. Cornelia Waldmann Selsam, Karl-May-Str.48, 96049 Bamberg > > These reports show that the people for years have been ill due to > pulsed high frequency electromagnetic fields, without the treating > doctors recognizing the cause. For that reason, people who are > receiving the high frequency at home or at work have suffered and are > suffering and they receive no therapy. The deciding [effective] > therapy is to end the exposure. > > The continually repeated assertion in the media by the Radiological > Protection Commission (Strahlenschutzkommission), that there is no > proof for health risks under the present valid limits, has had the > consequence that most doctors, (including myself until a year ago) > have not drawn a relationship between the many unexplained illness > patterns and high frequency radiation. The doctors do not know that at > not one single mobile phone base station have investigations into the > health-state of the people been carried out. Thus, the evaluation of > the Strahlenschutzkommission in 2001 has no scientific basis. > > In Oberfranken, we have just evaluated the medical complaints of 356 > people who have had long-term [radiation] exposure in their homes. > > The pulsed high frequency electro magnetic fields (from mobile phone > base stations, from cable-less DECT telephones, amongst others), led > to a new, previously unknown pattern of illnesses with a > characteristic symptom complex. > People suffer from one, several or many of the following symptoms: > Sleep disturbances, tiredness, disturbance in concentration, > forgetfulness, problem with finding words, depressive mood, ear > noises, sudden loss of hearing, hearing loss, giddiness, nose bleeds, > visual disturbances, frequent infections, sinusitis, joint and limb > pains, nerve and soft tissue pains, feeling of numbness, heart rhythm > disturbances, increased blood pressure episodes, hormonal > disturbances, night-time sweats, nausea. > Even at 10µW/m2 (only 0.06 V/m average) many people are becoming ill. > The symptoms occur in temporal and spatial relationship to exposure. > It is no way only a subjective sensitivity disturbance. Disturbances > of rhythm, hearing problems, sudden deafness, hearing loss, loss of > vision, increased blood pressure, hormonal disturbances, concentration > impairments, and others can be proved using scientific objective > measures. > Some of the health disturbance disappears immediately the exposure > ceases (removal of DECT telephone, temporary moving away from home, > permanently moving away, using shielding). > Therefore, the expansion must be stopped immediately. Mobile phone > base stations, in whose fields people are exposed to more than 10µW/m2 > must be turned off. > > DECT telephones must be changed. > > Affected people, relatives and doctors must jointly commit themselves > and work together with all their energy [to this end]. > > Evaluation of symptoms of 356 people under long time home exposure to > high frequency pulsed electromagnetic fields (DECT,telephones, mobile > phone base stations) versus the level of the power flux density in > microwatts per square metre. > > Source: > > http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/news/20050722_bamberg.asp?pf=1 > > > > >> Paul, >> >> If you haven't already, look into inflammation as a mechanism of your >> ES symptoms. For me, response to changes in air pressure seem to be >> about inflammation. (External air pressure drops, my cells expand and >> cause various problems.) >> >> One theory is that inflammation is a reaction to free radicals; the >> body tries to dilute them with extra fluids. My inflammation levels >> correlate closely with exposure (primarily synthetic chems, ES is >> secondary). >> >> At the best of times, I have trouble keeping up with discussions. These >> are not the best of times. And my internet connection is currently as >> dodgy as my body. I try to keep up with this list because I've learned >> a lot from people here about the nutritional aspects, so ask them for >> more info if you need it. I probably won't manage to answer until next >> June. %-) >> >> Emma >> >> > On another note today I stepped out into my garden and felt a sudden >> > stinging in my head typical of exposure to cell phone at close >> > distance ? 3 minutes >> > later the sky started to turn black the wind got up and we had the >> > tail end >> > of a tornado with high speed hail stones to boot, it was a very > weird >> > feeling >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > |
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