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to obtain 24 V DC, you do need a transformer, which gives one hell of a magnetic field, and you should keep a safe distance. Regarding the cables, there are special shielded cables on the market. There are even special shielded lamps, that give low levels of electrical fields. You may look at www.priggen.de.vu , Abschirmung, geschirmte Lampen. And I do not give lessons. I only want to make sure, that we are talking about the same thing. A lot of people get things mixed up, and since I do not know you, I do not know if you are familiar with the *stuff*. I use a small 3D Tesla meter (that calculates the X,Y,Z axis automatically), which goes from 10 to 50.000 nT. There is one with a logger (7 days) which goes from 10 to 30.000 nT. There are coming soon with loggers, which go up to 40.000 nT alt. 400.000 nT, and a lot of features. I did know of a meter, with Logger, which goes up much higher than these, but they are intended for big electrical companies, with a big budget. Please let me know, when you have finished your meter. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ http://www.hese-project.org checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]>; "WILLE BÖRLIN" <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 18:50 Subject: Re: [eSens] Interesting link and more... > Hello Charles! > > As I said in my posting: 50Hz E-field! > > The magnetic fields from a common 60W/230V lamp is very low at distances > of about 1m (a rough guess gives 1-10nT). > As I usually use 60W/24V DC (ripple about 2-3V, I know it is high!) > lamps for reading in my apartment and get less problems from those than > the ones powered directly from 230V, even when the current is about 10 > times higher. > > The same phenomena (burnt skin), I do get it from cables that are > powered but not necessary carrying any current! > > I am quite aware of the physics (real stuff, not "New Age"), so you do > not have to give me any lessons (ash! maybe you can teach me some > english...(;-)). > > Regarding Tesla-meters: my personal opinion is that they often is of no > use as they usually gives only RMS-values. I find that the Peek-values > are more interesting. > > A Tesla-meter that i would find useful would have the following functions: > - A dynamic range of at least 110dB for each A/D-converter (covering at > least 5nT to 10mT in one range) . > - Simultaneous sampling of all three coils (X,Y,Z). > - FFT-capabilities so i can get a spectrogram with field strength as a > function of the frequency. > - 0-1MHz (divided into 2-5 band). > > I guess that I will build one one day... > > greetings > > Anders Eriksson > > charles wrote: > > Hello Anders Eriksson, > > > > so you do disagree with me. > > That is fine, but I do not quite understand with what exactly you > > > > So you got trouble with a 50 Hz field. > > What kind of field? > > > > Was it just a wiring, or on an apparatus? > > Was the current runing or not? > > > > If it was not, than ther only was a (higher) electrical field. > > If it was, than a magnetic field is also there. > > > > An E-field only, exists only when no current is flowing. > > As soon as current is flowing, when an apparatus is put on, a magnetic > > is also there. > > Of course an electric field can do harm, but in my opinion, the magnetic > > fields are much more harming us. > > For that reason, 3D Tesla meters are developed, with a build-in logger, in > > order to see, how the fluctuations over time are, because they can vary > > enormously. > > > > If you disagree with me, does that mean, that you are more sensible to > > electrical fields than to magnetic fields? > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ > > http://www.hese-project.org > > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]> > > To: <[hidden email]> > > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 17:03 > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Interesting link and more... > > > > > > > >>Hello Charles, > >> > >>i do disagree with you! I have had truble from 50Hz E-fields (they give > >>me burns on my neck (a few minutes E-fields gieves the same reaction as > >>if i had been burned by the sun for houers). > >> > >>Hello Marc, > >> > >>I have to clear one thing up: "placebo effect" for me is the same as > >>getting your internal "healing system" acting in your body (you can read > >>a little about it in: "Cross Currents" by Robert O. Becker, ISBN 0 87477 > >>609 0). > >> > >>charles wrote: > >> > >>>Hello Wille Borlin, > >>> > >>>with Powerlines, we do generally not speak about frequencies. > >>>It is not the electrical alternating fields that are disturbing us. > >>> > >>>It is the magnetic alternating fields that gives the most worry. > >>>We are lulled into oblivion with the remarks that a 100 uT, or > > > > microTesla is > > > >>>not to worry about, but we building biologists speak about nT, or > > > > NanoTesla. > > > >>>100 uT is 100,000 nT. > >>>And we say, one should try to stay under 20 nT, in order not to get > > > > sick. > > > >>>Magnetic fields one can feel. > >>>The TCO norm for computer monitors says 200 nT at 30 cm for the > >>>frequncyrange of 5-2000 Hz and 25 nT for the frequncy range from 2-400 > > > > KHz. > > > >>>The background *noise* for cities is 50-60 nT, while on the countryside > > > > this > > > >>>is 20-30 nT (generally). > >>> > >>>For electrosensible people, the combination of magnetic fields and the > >>>accompanying frequency can have another effect. > >>>Tests have shown that a certain person did not react to a strong > > > > magnetic > > > >>>field of 5000 nT at 50 Hz, but heavily on a weak 350 Hz field of only > > > > nT. > > > >>>Also on a 150 and a 550 Hz field. > >>> > >>>Some examples: > >>>Television when running: 50 cm 3500 nT > >>>idem when on standby; 50 cm 300 nT > >>>TL light: 50 cm 1100 nT > >>>Small trafo: 20 cm > 3000 nT > >>>El radio alarm clock: 20 cm 1000-2000 nT > >>>idem :5 cm 30,000 nT > >>>El heating blanket: 1 cm up to 10,000 nT > >>> > >>>Greetings, > >>>Charles Claessens > >>>member Verband Baubiologie > >>>http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ > >>>http://www.hese-project.org > >>>checked by Norton Antivirus > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Hi Charles,
I use a toroidal transformer, a rectifier bridge and a 10.000 micro farad capacitor in parallel to obtain "acceptable" (for me) levels of the fields. The magnetic fields from the transformer "drowns" in the background fields in less then 1m from the transformer! I usually keep 2-5m distance. The fields from a conventional transformer (and a toroidal transformer) declines at least as a function of the square of the distance (if you triple the distance the fields are reduced to 1/9 or less than the original field). A toroidal transformer has much smaller leaking fields than an transformer on an E-core. If the fields from the transformer should be a problem you can always shield it with 5mm aluminium plates welded together. If you find it necessary I can fix a simple drawing of how it can be done. Yes, it is possible to use shielded cables, but if so, I have to find ground potential that are free from noise. It is completely impossible where I live, so that's no solution for me. I get back to you when I have finished my little gauss meter project (if I know myself right, it will take a year or two). greetings Anders Eriksson charles wrote: > All right Anders Eriksson, > > to obtain 24 V DC, you do need a transformer, which gives one hell of a > magnetic field, and you should keep a safe distance. > > Regarding the cables, there are special shielded cables on the market. > There are even special shielded lamps, that give low levels of electrical > fields. > You may look at www.priggen.de.vu , Abschirmung, geschirmte Lampen. > > And I do not give lessons. I only want to make sure, that we are talking > about the same thing. > A lot of people get things mixed up, and since I do not know you, I do not > know if you are familiar with the *stuff*. > > I use a small 3D Tesla meter (that calculates the X,Y,Z axis automatically), > which goes from 10 to 50.000 nT. > > There is one with a logger (7 days) which goes from 10 to 30.000 nT. > There are coming soon with loggers, which go up to 40.000 nT alt. 400.000 > nT, and a lot of features. > > I did know of a meter, with Logger, which goes up much higher than these, > but they are intended for big electrical companies, with a big budget. > > Please let me know, when you have finished your meter. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ > http://www.hese-project.org > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]>; "WILLE BÖRLIN" > <[hidden email]> > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 18:50 > Subject: Re: [eSens] Interesting link and more... > > > >>Hello Charles! >> >>As I said in my posting: 50Hz E-field! >> >>The magnetic fields from a common 60W/230V lamp is very low at distances >>of about 1m (a rough guess gives 1-10nT). >>As I usually use 60W/24V DC (ripple about 2-3V, I know it is high!) >>lamps for reading in my apartment and get less problems from those than >>the ones powered directly from 230V, even when the current is about 10 >>times higher. >> >>The same phenomena (burnt skin), I do get it from cables that are >>powered but not necessary carrying any current! >> >>I am quite aware of the physics (real stuff, not "New Age"), so you do >>not have to give me any lessons (ash! maybe you can teach me some >>english...(;-)). >> >>Regarding Tesla-meters: my personal opinion is that they often is of no >>use as they usually gives only RMS-values. I find that the Peek-values >>are more interesting. >> >>A Tesla-meter that i would find useful would have the following functions: >>- A dynamic range of at least 110dB for each A/D-converter (covering at >>least 5nT to 10mT in one range) . >>- Simultaneous sampling of all three coils (X,Y,Z). >>- FFT-capabilities so i can get a spectrogram with field strength as a >>function of the frequency. >>- 0-1MHz (divided into 2-5 band). >> >>I guess that I will build one one day... >> >>greetings >> >>Anders Eriksson >> >>charles wrote: >> >>>Hello Anders Eriksson, >>> >>>so you do disagree with me. >>>That is fine, but I do not quite understand with what exactly you > > disagree. > >>>So you got trouble with a 50 Hz field. >>>What kind of field? >>> >>>Was it just a wiring, or on an apparatus? >>>Was the current runing or not? >>> >>>If it was not, than ther only was a (higher) electrical field. >>>If it was, than a magnetic field is also there. >>> >>>An E-field only, exists only when no current is flowing. >>>As soon as current is flowing, when an apparatus is put on, a magnetic > > field > >>>is also there. >>>Of course an electric field can do harm, but in my opinion, the magnetic >>>fields are much more harming us. >>>For that reason, 3D Tesla meters are developed, with a build-in logger, > > in > >>>order to see, how the fluctuations over time are, because they can vary >>>enormously. >>> >>>If you disagree with me, does that mean, that you are more sensible to >>>electrical fields than to magnetic fields? >>> >>>Greetings, >>>Charles Claessens >>>member Verband Baubiologie >>>http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ >>>http://www.hese-project.org >>>checked by Norton Antivirus >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]> >>>To: <[hidden email]> >>>Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 17:03 >>>Subject: Re: [eSens] Interesting link and more... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hello Charles, >>>> >>>>i do disagree with you! I have had truble from 50Hz E-fields (they give >>>>me burns on my neck (a few minutes E-fields gieves the same reaction as >>>>if i had been burned by the sun for houers). >>>> >>>>Hello Marc, >>>> >>>>I have to clear one thing up: "placebo effect" for me is the same as >>>>getting your internal "healing system" acting in your body (you can read >>>>a little about it in: "Cross Currents" by Robert O. Becker, ISBN 0 87477 >>>>609 0). >>>> >>>>charles wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hello Wille Borlin, >>>>> >>>>>with Powerlines, we do generally not speak about frequencies. >>>>>It is not the electrical alternating fields that are disturbing us. >>>>> >>>>>It is the magnetic alternating fields that gives the most worry. >>>>>We are lulled into oblivion with the remarks that a 100 uT, or >>> >>>microTesla is >>> >>> >>>>>not to worry about, but we building biologists speak about nT, or >>> >>>NanoTesla. >>> >>> >>>>>100 uT is 100,000 nT. >>>>>And we say, one should try to stay under 20 nT, in order not to get >>> >>>sick. >>> >>> >>>>>Magnetic fields one can feel. >>>>>The TCO norm for computer monitors says 200 nT at 30 cm for the >>>>>frequncyrange of 5-2000 Hz and 25 nT for the frequncy range from 2-400 >>> >>>KHz. >>> >>> >>>>>The background *noise* for cities is 50-60 nT, while on the countryside >>> >>>this >>> >>> >>>>>is 20-30 nT (generally). >>>>> >>>>>For electrosensible people, the combination of magnetic fields and the >>>>>accompanying frequency can have another effect. >>>>>Tests have shown that a certain person did not react to a strong >>> >>>magnetic >>> >>> >>>>>field of 5000 nT at 50 Hz, but heavily on a weak 350 Hz field of only > > 30 > >>>nT. >>> >>> >>>>>Also on a 150 and a 550 Hz field. >>>>> >>>>>Some examples: >>>>>Television when running: 50 cm 3500 nT >>>>>idem when on standby; 50 cm 300 nT >>>>>TL light: 50 cm 1100 nT >>>>>Small trafo: 20 cm > 3000 nT >>>>>El radio alarm clock: 20 cm 1000-2000 nT >>>>>idem :5 cm 30,000 nT >>>>>El heating blanket: 1 cm up to 10,000 nT >>>>> >>>>>Greetings, >>>>>Charles Claessens >>>>>member Verband Baubiologie >>>>>http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ >>>>>http://www.hese-project.org >>>>>checked by Norton Antivirus >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Yahoo! 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Obviously stone will provide some signal attenuation, and could therefore
provide some reflection perhaps. Stone that is moist (e.g. has some 'salt damp') would presumably provide a lot more attenuation (and perhaps reflection). Any further comments on this would be very useful to me too. -----Original Message----- From: WILLE BÖRLIN [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2004 3:39 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Interesting link and more... Charles On the instrument you use to measure DECT-radiation, is the antenna so perfect that it can completely reject signals that come in of center? I ask this because you make the sensational statement that stone can reflect radio-waves. If that is true it could also be a quite fantastic and cheap shielding material. Which leads to the question how your neighbors DECT-signal could get out in the corridor in the first place, through the shielding stone. Wille Borlin SWEDEN charles wrote: >The differentiation is other > >a. people exposed to EMF, but feel nothing >b. people exposed to EMF, feeling it, but do not have reactions >c. people exposed to EMF, feeling it, and reacting slightly. They can >*manage*. >d. people exposed to EMF, feeling it, reacting to it, have difficulty in >*managing* >e. people exposed to EMF, feeling it, reacting heavily, and cannot *manage*. > >in MHO. > >The church is the place for *believers*. > >EMF is based on facts. >The Pro-mobile phone people suggest, that everybody believes in ES, and that >it is *something between the ears*. >But hundreds of studies have proved that EMF can cause biological effects, >*without warming-up*. >Also it is said, that people already had symptoms of ES, before the antennas >were set in working. >But that is not true. In many cases they were running already, in testing >phase or other. >Electrical billings proved that. > >On the other hand antennas, like many metal surfaces, can react like a >secondair antenna. >So they transmit EMF, coming from other antennas. > >And I have found, that stone can do the same. >In our appartment building, I walk in the corridor. >On one wall I measure the DECT phone of an neighbour opposite of our home, >145 uW/m2. >When I turn 180 degrees and measure our wall, I measure 85 uW/m2 EMF, coming >from my appartment. >I know very, very sure, that I do not have a DECT phone (cordless phone >according the DECT/GAP principle). > >My wife had some trouble in the staircase corridors, at some places. >I went measuring, and yes, 190 uW/m2, from a DECT phone. > >Everybody, who *believes* that they have ES, should go to a place where >there is less EMF, and see if the symptoms diminish. >If you do have symptoms, where the doctors cannot find a reasonable cause, >then you may consider ES. >The symptoms are described in the *Freiburger Appell* > > > >Greetings, >Charles Claessens >member Verband Baubiologie >http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ >http://www.hese-project.org >checked by Norton Antivirus > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]> >To: <[hidden email]> >Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 20:04 >Subject: Re: [eSens] Interesting link and more... > > > > >>>Out of my own and my friend's experience regarding ES I would say that >>>there are at least two categories of ES people, A) those suffering from >>>direct effects from electromagnetic fields and B) those people who >>>"believe" that they are ES! >>> >>> > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links |
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The burnt skin was the first external symptom I ever saw. For me, burnt skin
on hands and face related to using a computer for more than a few hours (which incidentally was located in a room full of other computers). Not sure if the burns were caused by the monitor of my computer, the computer itself or a combination of things. Lachlan -----Original Message----- From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2004 5:35 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Burnt Skin >The same phenomena (burnt skin), I do get it from cables that are >powered but not necessary carrying any current! I used to get that burnt skin symptom all the time, from a variety of things. I hardly ever get it these days. I'm not exactly sure what I did to eliminate that problem, although I think it might have to do with antioxidant or mineral supplementation. Marc Yahoo! Groups Links |
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I have also had Reiki treatment - and was also able to feel the energy. Ifone is ES its not hard because this is very powerful energy. I also wouldhave to say that it IS very similar to some of the protective devices, butalso different. I think the Springlife type of device's energy is weaker but has no healing properties, and can be very unpleasant - Reiki is more powerful but has better properties. I could go on, but I think it is beyondthe scope of this list. It is probably, in my opinion anyway, one of the most interesting and 'cutting edge' topics around. I would say, in fact, that this is where the currnt frontier of knowledge lies. Very exciting stuff!
sarah -----Original Message----- From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2004 4:24 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Interesting link and more... >When you write about high-frequency noise in connection with power >lines. What do you consider to be high-frequency? On this subject, I only repeat the literature which comes with the products. However, I refer to products which had a clear, repeatable, and dramaticimpact on my health and ability to tolerate EMF, which is the only thing which is important to me. I don't really care what the frequencies are. I just care that I am able to tolerate them! >On the subject of chi i don´t no first thing, which i admitt, but >because it is old it does not have to work. It is quite boring to hear >that something is old and hence is beyond critizism. Well, of course. But again, I only mention this because I have tried it, and it has worked for me. There is also an energy healing performed by practitioners called "Reiki". This also claims to use "chi". This is also pretty popular these days, but of course, being popular does not mean that it works. However, I have paid for some sessions in this, and could feel the energy during the sessions. And what I felt is exactly the same as what I feel when using the Springlife polarizers. So my conclusion is that what I'm feeling is the effects of "chi". (and the Springlife polarizers are a cheaper alternative to Reiki, as going to a Reiki practitioner costs $60 foran hour of chi, while a $90 Springlife Polarizer will provide you with years of it -- well, at least 6 months worth, which is how long I've had them... :-) Marc ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/H9SolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links |
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I don't think it's beyond the scope of this list and like to read more about your experiences with these devices and so on...
Best Regards, Niels ----- Original Message ----- From: Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison) To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [eSens] Interesting link and more... I could go on, but I think it is beyond the scope of this list. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hello Sarah,
I do not think, that this is beyond this list. I does not cost anything, but only effeort and concentration. In this regard, the book *The Field* from Lynne McTaggart can help here. One makes contact with *the Field* and learns how to apply virtual or imaginary towels around the body. For certain regiona certain colors. I know somebody, who puts a *plastic* towel around against electrosmog. Do not underestimate the power of the mind! There are a lot of powers around us. It is a pity, we can not dee them at the moment. On our body, a lot of vortexes are spinning. Electrosmog can influence the direction of this spinning. (some see that by means of a pendular) Certain *things* can turn those vortexes in the right direction again. So can some symbols. This souns weird, but many others see it the same way. We are desperately looking for means to prove it. In the mean time, we just use it at our convenience. It is nice, that we can discuss these matters here in this list quite openly, so that more people can ponder and think about it. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ http://www.hese-project.org checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 10:25 Subject: RE: [eSens] Interesting link and more... I have also had Reiki treatment - and was also able to feel the energy. If one is ES its not hard because this is very powerful energy. I also would have to say that it IS very similar to some of the protective devices, but also different. I think the Springlife type of device's energy is weaker but has no healing properties, and can be very unpleasant - Reiki is more powerful but has better properties. I could go on, but I think it is beyond the scope of this list. It is probably, in my opinion anyway, one of the most interesting and 'cutting edge' topics around. I would say, in fact, that this is where the currnt frontier of knowledge lies. Very exciting stuff! sarah -----Original Message----- From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2004 4:24 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Interesting link and more... >When you write about high-frequency noise in connection with power >lines. What do you consider to be high-frequency? On this subject, I only repeat the literature which comes with the products. However, I refer to products which had a clear, repeatable, and dramatic impact on my health and ability to tolerate EMF, which is the only thing which is important to me. I don't really care what the frequencies are. I just care that I am able to tolerate them! >On the subject of chi i don´t no first thing, which i admitt, but >because it is old it does not have to work. It is quite boring to hear >that something is old and hence is beyond critizism. Well, of course. But again, I only mention this because I have tried it, and it has worked for me. There is also an energy healing performed by practitioners called "Reiki". This also claims to use "chi". This is also pretty popular these days, but of course, being popular does not mean that it works. However, I have paid for some sessions in this, and could feel the energy during the sessions. And what I felt is exactly the same as what I feel when using the Springlife polarizers. So my conclusion is that what I'm feeling is the effects of "chi". (and the Springlife polarizers are a cheaper alternative to Reiki, as going to a Reiki practitioner costs $60 for an hour of chi, while a $90 Springlife Polarizer will provide you with years of it -- well, at least 6 months worth, which is how long I've had them... :-) Marc ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/H9SolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links |
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>I have also had Reiki treatment - and was also able to feel the energy.
>If one >is ES its not hard because this is very powerful energy. I also >would have to >say that it IS very similar to some of the protective >devices, but also >different. I think the Springlife type of device's >energy is weaker but has no >healing properties, and can be very >unpleasant - Reiki is more powerful but has >better properties. I don't think one can generalize the strength or the healing properties of these sorts of devices. I've tried over a dozen different types of devices, and they vary quite a bit. The Springlife Polarizers were the only ones where I would make a direct comparison with Reiki. Marc |
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there seems to be some sort of misunderstanding. Reiki is NOT a device. It is some sort of meditation, state of mind, kind of Yoga. It is all in the mind. Therefore, I wrote in my posting accordingly: *Do not underestimate the power of the mind.* Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ http://www.hese-project.org checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 15:42 Subject: RE: [eSens] Interesting link and more... > >I have also had Reiki treatment - and was also able to feel the energy. > >If one >is ES its not hard because this is very powerful energy. I also > >would have to >say that it IS very similar to some of the protective > >devices, but also >different. I think the Springlife type of device's > >energy is weaker but has no >healing properties, and can be very > >unpleasant - Reiki is more powerful but has >better properties. > > I don't think one can generalize the strength or the healing properties of > these sorts of devices. I've tried over a dozen different types of > devices, and they vary quite a bit. The Springlife Polarizers were the > only ones where I would make a direct comparison with Reiki. > > Marc > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > |
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>there seems to be some sort of misunderstanding.
>Reiki is NOT a device. I didn't say that Reiki was a device, did I? What I said (or what I meant to say) is that I have had several Reiki treatments. I have also become a Reiki practitioner, so I can treat my wife or myself. And I have also worn the Springlife Polarizers. What I have felt during a Reiki session and what I have felt while wearing a Springlife Polarizer are similar. Also, they provoke a similar type of relaxation/calming effect, and also if you overdo them, they provoke similar type of detoxification symptoms. To me, they are comparable. The are certainly huge differences in the delivery mechanism, but the effect on the person being treated seems virtually the same. Now, since I can perform Reiki on myself, you might wonder why I need to use a Springlife Polarizer? Well, the answer is simple -- Reiki requires that you are concentrating on Reiki, and not on other things. The Springlife Polarizers don't require any concentration. You can just forget about them, and get the benefits all day long. Marc |
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Hello Marc,
> I didn't say that Reiki was a device, did I? But, Yes you did: I don't think one can generalize the strength or the healing properties of these sorts of devices. Marc For you Marc, it may make sense, but others may interprete it otherwise. But, no harm done. I like things clear. It still feels good, that anybody can display his/her inner feelings about such things, without being laughed at. I am sorry, but I still did not have time in order to make some sandwich construction for the large plate of my bioenergy meter. A person can then stand on it, and I can measure the difference between *before and after* some exposure. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 16:33 Subject: Re: [eSens] Reiki > >there seems to be some sort of misunderstanding. > >Reiki is NOT a device. > > I didn't say that Reiki was a device, did I? > > What I said (or what I meant to say) is that I have had several > Reiki treatments. I have also become a Reiki practitioner, so I > can treat my wife or myself. And I have also worn the Springlife > Polarizers. What I have felt during a Reiki session and what > I have felt while wearing a Springlife Polarizer are similar. > Also, they provoke a similar type of relaxation/calming effect, > and also if you overdo them, they provoke similar type > of detoxification symptoms. > > To me, they are comparable. The are certainly huge > differences in the delivery mechanism, but the effect > on the person being treated seems virtually the same. > > Now, since I can perform Reiki on myself, you might wonder > why I need to use a Springlife Polarizer? Well, the answer > is simple -- Reiki requires that you are concentrating on > Reiki, and not on other things. The Springlife Polarizers > don't require any concentration. You can just forget > about them, and get the benefits all day long. > > Marc > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > |
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Here's another interesting thing - I've observed that it is easier to protect myself from RF than ELF fields. I find magnetic fields of any strength the hardest to shield using visualisation.
I was recently away from home and staying somewhere with a lot of RF...and I had left my bag with all my rememdies etc at the previous place I had been. At 3am, in desparation, I used a colour exercise...I know that turquoise is the colour of protection (also blue) so I justy visualised this aroundme and was asleep in about 3 seconds flat! BTW has anyone heard of the Aura Soma oils? They're very good and powerful- although not specifically used for ES protection. Sarah -----Original Message----- From: charles [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2004 9:25 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Interesting link and more... Hello Sarah, I do not think, that this is beyond this list. I does not cost anything, but only effeort and concentration. In this regard, the book *The Field* from Lynne McTaggart can help here. One makes contact with *the Field* and learns how to apply virtual or imaginary towels around the body. For certain regiona certain colors. I know somebody, who puts a *plastic* towel around against electrosmog. Do not underestimate the power of the mind! There are a lot of powers around us. It is a pity, we can not dee them at the moment. On our body, a lot of vortexes are spinning. Electrosmog can influence the direction of this spinning. (some see that by means of a pendular) Certain *things* can turn those vortexes in the right direction again. So can some symbols. This souns weird, but many others see it the same way. We are desperately looking for means to prove it. In the mean time, we just use it at our convenience. It is nice, that we can discuss these matters here in this list quite openly, so that more people can ponder and think about it. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ http://www.hese-project.org checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 10:25 Subject: RE: [eSens] Interesting link and more... I have also had Reiki treatment - and was also able to feel the energy. Ifone is ES its not hard because this is very powerful energy. I also wouldhave to say that it IS very similar to some of the protective devices, butalso different. I think the Springlife type of device's energy is weaker but has no healing properties, and can be very unpleasant - Reiki is more powerful but has better properties. I could go on, but I think it is beyondthe scope of this list. It is probably, in my opinion anyway, one of the most interesting and 'cutting edge' topics around. I would say, in fact, that this is where the currnt frontier of knowledge lies. Very exciting stuff! sarah -----Original Message----- From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2004 4:24 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Interesting link and more... >When you write about high-frequency noise in connection with power >lines. What do you consider to be high-frequency? On this subject, I only repeat the literature which comes with the products. However, I refer to products which had a clear, repeatable, and dramatic impact on my health and ability to tolerate EMF, which is the only thing which is important to me. I don't really care what the frequencies are. I just care that I am able to tolerate them! >On the subject of chi i don´t no first thing, which i admitt, but >because it is old it does not have to work. It is quite boring to hear >that something is old and hence is beyond critizism. Well, of course. But again, I only mention this because I have tried it, and it has worked for me. There is also an energy healing performed by practitioners called "Reiki". This also claims to use "chi". This is also pretty popular these days, but of course, being popular does not mean that it works. However, I have paid for some sessions in this, and could feel the energy during the sessions. And what I felt is exactly the same as what I feel when using the Springlife polarizers. So my conclusion is that what I'm feeling is the effects of "chi". (and the Springlife polarizers are a cheaper alternative to Reiki, as going to a Reiki practitioner costs $60 foran hour of chi, while a $90 Springlife Polarizer will provide you with years of it -- well, at least 6 months worth, which is how long I've had them... :-) Marc ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/H9SolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links |
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