Hi Paul,
Sorry, I've never heard of Bucci. Aslak. --- In [hidden email], "Paul Bourgeois" <blackswan@...> wrote: > > Alask, > Wow, thank you very much for your input. I am attaching my "Testimonial". It's not done but after I've finished the last thing, the one that works, then it will be a true testimonial, not just a story. > OK, 15 years ago I properly had all of my mercury filling removed, there was 2. I followed it with neural therapy and all thing necessary to detox properly. Funny you say that. As the only other thing that has come up, after the E Sensitivity, is mercury poisoning, so I"m taking Bucci to get it out through my kidneys. > > Interesting, been on the Bucci for 2 weeks with only a little help so far. > > What do you think? > > Paul |
Sorry, it's Bucco, It's a liquid herbal extract...to handle mercury.
Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: kefirisgood To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: [eSens] Hg-toxicity (Was: Re: I'm new here.) Hi Paul, Sorry, I've never heard of Bucci. Aslak. --- In [hidden email], "Paul Bourgeois" <blackswan@...> wrote: > > Alask, > Wow, thank you very much for your input. I am attaching my "Testimonial". It's not done but after I've finished the last thing, the one that works, then it will be a true testimonial, not just a story. > OK, 15 years ago I properly had all of my mercury filling removed, there was 2. I followed it with neural therapy and all thing necessary to detox properly. Funny you say that. As the only other thing that has come up, after the E Sensitivity, is mercury poisoning, so I"m taking Bucci to get it out through my kidneys. > > Interesting, been on the Bucci for 2 weeks with only a little help so far. > > What do you think? > > Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I just looked at the link for crystal energy and then googled it's
inventor, and it seems not everyone one is convinced about this product. http://www.chem1.com/CQ/FlanBunk.html Richard --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote: > > > marc how does zeolite and ndf work differently to homeopathic remedies. > > if i was to take either would it be better, as i have still the > > fillings in my mouth... > > Homeopathic mercury detox remedies contain the frequency of mercury, > which encourages your body to release stored mercury into your bloodstream. > A normal liver, kidneys, and colon would be able to process this mercury > and get it out of the body. If your body is unable to process and > eliminate this mercury by itself, then the mercury is just going to > recirculate and redeposit somewhere else in your body, and you will > feel terrible. > > The NCD and NDF work under a different principal, in that they have > a physical agent which will grab onto the mercury, and then your > body will expel this and the mercury along with it. In this case, > your body doesn't have to be able to process and eliminate mercury. > The problem for many is that no chelator will take out 100% of > what it mobilizes, so you will still have a reaction to the stuff > that gets mobilized but not eliminated. > > If I go back 7 years to when I was at my most toxic, one of the > first supplements that I tried that really helped my health > was called "Crystal Energy". I bought this because it was > supposed to help with hydration, and I was having a terrible > time with staying hydrated at the time. It worked! Now, I see > many years later this product claims to be one of the safest > things to remove heavy metals from the body: > > http://www.phisciences.com/crystal_energy.html > > I don't think they were making that claim 7 years ago, but I > responded quite well to this product, and never had a bad > reaction to it... unlike the NCD and NDF, which I have > to be very careful with... > > Marc > |
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In a message dated 4/11/2007 10:04:16 PM GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: The NCD and NDF work under a different principal, in that they have > a physical agent which will grab onto the mercury, and then your > body will expel this and the mercury along with it. In this case, > your body doesn't have to be able to process and eliminate mercury. > The problem for many is that no chelator will take out 100% of > what it mobilizes, so you will still have a reaction to the stuff > that gets mobilized but not eliminated. Paul UK replies - What is the scientific evidence for this other than dogma/anedotal evidence can you direct me I need to see unbiased studies with cellular/general anatomical proof that the mecury is eliminated from the body and by what route ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> I just looked at the link for crystal energy and then googled it's
> inventor, and it seems not everyone one is convinced about this > product. > > http://www.chem1.com/CQ/FlanBunk.html In many cases, its the debunking site that's got it wrong. Usually they have never investigated a product further than reading its marketing material. If they were truly interested in the truth, you'd think they'd at least go to the effort of trying some, and perhaps interviewing others who have tried some. I could care less what any site says, it is 100% obvious that Flanagan's products have dramatically improved my health, and helped me cope with EMF. Marc |
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> What is the scientific evidence for this other than dogma/anedotal
> evidence can you direct me I need to see unbiased studies with cellular/general > anatomical proof that the mecury is eliminated from the body and by what > route ? The only clinical evidence that exists for any mercury chelator are lab test results showing increased excretion rates of various metals via urine/fecal testing, and the results of hair mineral analyses. I've seen these over the years for various chelators, and also seen people who've done them independently themselves (including checking the products themselves for contamination). My statements are based on that, along with personal experience and the results of being subscribed to chelation discussion groups for the past 7 years, where multiple subscribers eventually recovered. I'm not sure what level of "proof" you are looking for however -- such proof may not exist for any chelator, and even if it did, there is such variation between different people's reactions to products, you could not conclude that anything would work for 100% of the population. So the only way to know if something is working for you is by either assessing your own condition over time. You can also get heavy metal excretion tests done by a local doctor if you like, or even can send away for self-testing kits which get sent to a lab. Marc |
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> The NCD and NDF work under a different principal
> > can you direct me I need to see unbiased studies with cellular/general > anatomical proof that the mecury is eliminated from the body and by what > route ? Oh... almost forgot... NDF is better documented than NCD... here are is a website with some lab results: http://healthydetox.org/labs.html Marc |
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has anyone tried
pca-rx from www.maxamlabs.com p On 11 Apr 2007, at 22:03, richsurf77 wrote: > I just looked at the link for crystal energy and then googled it's > inventor, and it seems not everyone one is convinced about this > product. > > http://www.chem1.com/CQ/FlanBunk.html > > Richard > > --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote: > > > > > marc how does zeolite and ndf work differently to homeopathic > remedies. > > > if i was to take either would it be better, as i have still the > > > fillings in my mouth... > > > > Homeopathic mercury detox remedies contain the frequency of mercury, > > which encourages your body to release stored mercury into your > bloodstream. > > A normal liver, kidneys, and colon would be able to process this > mercury > > and get it out of the body. If your body is unable to process and > > eliminate this mercury by itself, then the mercury is just going to > > recirculate and redeposit somewhere else in your body, and you will > > feel terrible. > > > > The NCD and NDF work under a different principal, in that they have > > a physical agent which will grab onto the mercury, and then your > > body will expel this and the mercury along with it. In this case, > > your body doesn't have to be able to process and eliminate mercury. > > The problem for many is that no chelator will take out 100% of > > what it mobilizes, so you will still have a reaction to the stuff > > that gets mobilized but not eliminated. > > > > If I go back 7 years to when I was at my most toxic, one of the > > first supplements that I tried that really helped my health > > was called "Crystal Energy". I bought this because it was > > supposed to help with hydration, and I was having a terrible > > time with staying hydrated at the time. It worked! Now, I see > > many years later this product claims to be one of the safest > > things to remove heavy metals from the body: > > > > http://www.phisciences.com/crystal_energy.html > > > > I don't think they were making that claim 7 years ago, but I > > responded quite well to this product, and never had a bad > > reaction to it... unlike the NCD and NDF, which I have > > to be very careful with... > > > > Marc > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> has anyone tried
> pca-rx from www.maxamlabs.com Yes, I have tried this very briefly, but found that my reaction to it was so bad that I discontinued it (this has been my general reaction to most things that are advertised to detox you from heavy metals). PCA-Rx advertises itself as a product that safely removes mercury from the body without any side effects. Certainly that would be the "holy grail" of chelators, if it were only true... :-) Marc |
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I'm in the middle of a mercury detox. No real change yet. My doc
says it'll take between 2 months and 2 years to get better. I'm going to add chlorella and am checking into this NDF, which sounds really great. Please someone answer specifically. 1) Have you rid your body of mercury? 2) How did you do it? 3) Did it rid you of ES Symptoms? Paul --- In [hidden email], amcafeerr <amcafeerr@...> wrote: > > I agree and the difference between us and a ton of other people that have > plenty of mercury in their bodies and not having ES is...? > > My theory is my gut and blood brain barrier linings has been compromised. > > I think that is why my body got hit so much harder with the same toxins and > I was aggressively detoxing while in a very sick house and environment which > opened up the blood brain barrier and eroded my intestinal lining. > > Rebuilding the gut and blood brain barrier I believe is key BEFORE detoxing > because detoxing will only RETOX ourselves with a leaky gut and a permeable > brain barrier. > That is my latest chicken and egg theory. > Andrew > > >On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:31:53 0000 kefirisgood <kefirisgood@...> > wrote. > >Dear all: > > > >I'd like to address some of the posts on this forum lately. My > >personal beliefe is that a very large percentage of the people who > >develope ES are mercury-toxic. The longtime key to complete > >from ES is getting the Hg out of your bodies. Now, the big question > >is how to do this SAFELY. The human body is very smart. It stores > >the Hg in the 'safest' places. When you take anything that mobilizes > >Hg from the tissues, you can either be lucky and get (most of) the > >mobilized Hg out, or you could be in for 'hell' and damage your > >health permanently. Which category you will fall into depends on > >your overall nutritient/mineral-status and how good your liver is > >functioning. If you have liver-trouble and are deficient in > >nutritients, you must be VERY carefull if you're using Hg- > >mobilizers, either it is chelators (like DMSA/ALA), homeopathic > >remedies, or other stuff. > >When we're sick, and perhaps have been for several years, we often > >want to get well quickly, but the absolutely safest way to go is > >build up your body through diet and nutritional supplements. This > >might take a long time, but as your body gets stronger, it will > >start cleansing it self of Hg (slowly!). However, what kind of > >supplements to use and what diet to choose you have to figure out > >for yourself. No two persons have the same nutritional status. You > >have to experiment and find out what's working and what's not > >working. Marc is a good example of someone having done this nicely. > >Other therapies might help a Hg toxic person. If you can find e.g. a > >well educated homeopath with long experience, preferably with Hg- > >toxic patients, and also preferrably with somekind of EAV-testing > >equipment or kinesiology-experience, you could probably benefit > >alot. You wouldn't want to get homeopatic Hg-mobilizers, you would > >want to get homeopathic medicine based on your constitution (and > >perhaps symptoms). > > > >Paul - from your symptoms it is obvious to me that you are Hg- toxic. > >You have to make a longtime plan on how to 'take control' of your > >own body again. > > > >And anyone having mercury-fillings: You HAVE to get them out. Make a > >plan, and work with a dentist with the right equipment for safe > >removal. Take it slowly, one filling at a time. Take lots of vitamin > >C, Selenium, B-vitamins in the weeks prior to and after removal. Do > >NOT use Hg-chelators with your fillings still in. > > > >And also: Some (I suspect many with ES) are hypersensitive to Hg. > >I.e. they have an immune-response to the Hg that is mobilized out > >from whereever it is stored in the body. If this is so, be EXTRA > >careful with Hg-mobilizers. Marc, based on your description of how > >you react to some Hg-mobilizing supplements, I suspect you to be in > >this category. Some people are not even very toxic, they just have > >an enormous 'Hg-allergy'. If you have symptoms like muscle- twitching > >an aches an pain, I suspect you are toxic. The worst thing is > >ofcourse being BOTH toxic and allergic. > > > >Thanks, > >Aslak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > Andrew McAfee > |
In killing bacteria, they will release more mercury and other metals
and toxins. Don't do a parasite, bacteria cleanse without taking ALA, DMSA, etc. (mercury chelators to drag the metal out of your body rather than just moving it around and damaging yourself) and vice versa. If you aren't getting any results from the detox, then look into information how to fully detox heavy metals and kill off the bacteria associated with them in books by Andy Cutler http://www.noamalgam.com/ and The Lyme Book the great follow up The Top 10 Lyme Disease Treatments http://www.lymebook.com/top10book You may not have Lyme, but I will bet that most of us do have some sort of malicious presence that has effected our nervous system. my hunch, andrew On Apr 14, 2007, at 7:44 AM, furnitureguru1 wrote: > I'm in the middle of a mercury detox. No real change yet. My doc > says it'll take between 2 months and 2 years to get better. I'm > going to add chlorella and am checking into this NDF, which sounds > really great. > > Please someone answer specifically. > > 1) Have you rid your body of mercury? > 2) How did you do it? > 3) Did it rid you of ES Symptoms? > > Paul > > --- In [hidden email], amcafeerr <amcafeerr@...> wrote: >> >> I agree and the difference between us and a ton of other people > that have >> plenty of mercury in their bodies and not having ES is...? >> >> My theory is my gut and blood brain barrier linings has been > compromised. >> >> I think that is why my body got hit so much harder with the same > toxins and >> I was aggressively detoxing while in a very sick house and > environment which >> opened up the blood brain barrier and eroded my intestinal lining. >> >> Rebuilding the gut and blood brain barrier I believe is key BEFORE > detoxing >> because detoxing will only RETOX ourselves with a leaky gut and a > permeable >> brain barrier. >> That is my latest chicken and egg theory. >> Andrew >> >>> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:31:53 0000 kefirisgood <kefirisgood@...> >> wrote. >>> Dear all: >>> >>> I'd like to address some of the posts on this forum lately. My >>> personal beliefe is that a very large percentage of the people who >>> develope ES are mercury-toxic. The longtime key to complete > recovery >>> from ES is getting the Hg out of your bodies. Now, the big > question >>> is how to do this SAFELY. The human body is very smart. It stores >>> the Hg in the 'safest' places. When you take anything that > mobilizes >>> Hg from the tissues, you can either be lucky and get (most of) the >>> mobilized Hg out, or you could be in for 'hell' and damage your >>> health permanently. Which category you will fall into depends on >>> your overall nutritient/mineral-status and how good your liver is >>> functioning. If you have liver-trouble and are deficient in >>> nutritients, you must be VERY carefull if you're using Hg- >>> mobilizers, either it is chelators (like DMSA/ALA), homeopathic >>> remedies, or other stuff. >>> When we're sick, and perhaps have been for several years, we often >>> want to get well quickly, but the absolutely safest way to go is > to >>> build up your body through diet and nutritional supplements. This >>> might take a long time, but as your body gets stronger, it will >>> start cleansing it self of Hg (slowly!). However, what kind of >>> supplements to use and what diet to choose you have to figure out >>> for yourself. No two persons have the same nutritional status. You >>> have to experiment and find out what's working and what's not >>> working. Marc is a good example of someone having done this > nicely. >>> Other therapies might help a Hg toxic person. If you can find e.g. > a >>> well educated homeopath with long experience, preferably with Hg- >>> toxic patients, and also preferrably with somekind of EAV-testing >>> equipment or kinesiology-experience, you could probably benefit >>> alot. You wouldn't want to get homeopatic Hg-mobilizers, you would >>> want to get homeopathic medicine based on your constitution (and >>> perhaps symptoms). >>> >>> Paul - from your symptoms it is obvious to me that you are Hg- > toxic. >>> You have to make a longtime plan on how to 'take control' of your >>> own body again. >>> >>> And anyone having mercury-fillings: You HAVE to get them out. Make > a >>> plan, and work with a dentist with the right equipment for safe >>> removal. Take it slowly, one filling at a time. Take lots of > vitamin >>> C, Selenium, B-vitamins in the weeks prior to and after removal. > Do >>> NOT use Hg-chelators with your fillings still in. >>> >>> And also: Some (I suspect many with ES) are hypersensitive to Hg. >>> I.e. they have an immune-response to the Hg that is mobilized out >>> from whereever it is stored in the body. If this is so, be EXTRA >>> careful with Hg-mobilizers. Marc, based on your description of how >>> you react to some Hg-mobilizing supplements, I suspect you to be > in >>> this category. Some people are not even very toxic, they just have >>> an enormous 'Hg-allergy'. If you have symptoms like muscle- > twitching >>> an aches an pain, I suspect you are toxic. The worst thing is >>> ofcourse being BOTH toxic and allergic. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Aslak. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >> >> Andrew McAfee >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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> I'm in the middle of a mercury detox. No real change yet. My doc > says it'll take between 2 months and 2 years to get better. I'm > going to add chlorella and am checking into this NDF, which sounds > really great. It may take more than 2 years... some people (such as myself) have such an unusually bad reaction to mercury chelators that you have take far less than the recommended dosage, which means it takes far longer than the usual amount of time. Certainly I have gotten better, but since I've done more than just use mercury chelators, it's impossible to say how much the chelation had to do with it. I will note that I had some immediate improvement merely from having all my mercury amalgam fillings replaced. Marc |
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