How far from a phone mast is safe?

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How far from a phone mast is safe?

Fizzy
I know this is the million dollar question but how far should an ES sufferer live from a phone mast so as
not to suffer health issues? The general guidance for the public is 500 metres. But of course we are far more sensitive.
A house has come up for sale well away from other properties. However half a mile away is a smallish phone mast. The reading outside the property is 0.024 v/m, inside the front window 0.007v/m and then drops to 0.004 or 0.005 around the inside of the property. Having stayed there for a couple of nights I found it almost impossible to sleep, but I do generally anywhere, unless under a Blocsilver canopy. Any thoughts?? Are there any other considerations other than what is generally visible on the Acoustimeter? I realise that extras can be added to a mast by the various phone companies and the strength can be increased. Has anyone had experience with this? Thanks
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Re: How far from a phone mast is safe?

Marc Martin
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Seems like there are too many variables to answer that question.  Meter readings are usually more useful.  For example, one could live almost right under a tower, but have low readings because the signals are focused more outwards, not downwards. Or there could be hills, buildings, trees, etc. diminishing the signal.

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Fizzy
Thanks I have read of some being able to live directly under a mast.

Just found out there's a housing development of 98 houses planned opposite the cottage. So it's no go
anyway!
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JWest
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Consider also, "stray voltage" or "stray neutral currents", or "stray current"...because utilities run return currents through the earth.

I found this while camping away from NYC to recover from EMF exposure, and I surprised to find this. The more damp the earth, the stronger the effect (insomnia, NLS). I camped in the SW desert mountains and found the same issue.

The official line is that this affects cattle only.
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Fizzy
Thanks JWest that is something that never occurred to me. How would you test for these stray currents?

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Re: How far from a phone mast is safe?

JWest
This post was updated on .
Another likely cause of insomnia is a smartmeter (wireless data transmitting power meter).

These are standard nowadays and they are vicious. I personally interviewed sick, crippled, and dying people over the last 2 years and smartmeter on their bedroom wall is a common scenario.

They also induct their frequencies throughout the house wiring and into powerlines.

The relatively low frequency (usually around 1Ghz) goes through the common silver or aluminum shielding. Copper is much better.

The unusual frequency is not easily measured and they blast out intermittently, making them also not easily measurable.

Usually utility companies are by law required to (upon request and a fee) replace such meters with non-transmitting devices.

Magdas and Hans Karow write about earth stray voltage (stray current) and how to measure with stakes connected to a voltmeter. You can do symptoms test; sleep in attic, then sleep on floor. I find a big difference.

I would check for smartmeter first.  They run even if there is no utility account.

See also: smartGridAwareness.org
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Re: How far from a phone mast is safe?

JWest
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es-forum has a brief discussion here on ground currents:

https://www.es-forum.com/Relocating-amp-EHS-td4036876.html
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Fizzy
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Thanks JWest. We have just bought another property with a smart meter- and it is being removed in 2 weeks time. Our safe&sound Pro 11 shows the pulses from the meter coming through the wiring and walls every couple of seconds...shocking! I didn't think about ground currents. we have an underground electric cable leading to the house...will have to check that out. How would we shield against ground currents? Would layers of copper sheeting stop it? Thanks :]
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Re: How far from a phone mast is safe?

JWest
And "underground cable" is something different.

The ground currents are utility return currents going through the earth (the ground connection). Look up "stray voltage" online.

Like all oscillating currents these produce radiation. Hans Karow writes in some detail about this.

My experiments find that if you are not camping directly on the ground, not earthing (a scam if done in the industrial world), and are up above the ground, say 5 feet or more, then this radiation depletes itself substantially.

I used to think one story (10 ft) would do it, but perhaps a normal bed, on a normal height flooring, would do it. Still I would put Al foil layers and copper foil layers, with plastic or paper layer between each -- under the mattress. Not grounded as that would put you between the grounded foil and the radiation coming through the air/ether.
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Re: How far from a phone mast is safe?

Fizzy
Thanks JWest for clarifying the difference and for the tips on protecting under the bed. Much appreciated!
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smart meter inquiry

emf_sensitive
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Quick question if you don't mind. I know the laws are different in each state regarding smart meter removals. May i ask what state you're in and was it difficult to get your meter removed?

Also does anyone know of a guide or post compiling information on different states' smart meter laws?

Kind regards to all : )
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JWest
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Marc Martin
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It's more than just by state.  It could vary by city, as it really comes down to the policies of the utility company at your address.

I still have the original analog electricity meter that came with the house 30 years ago, but I had to fill out forms, send emails, make phone calls to accomplish that.
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JWest
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Replacing your own smartmeter is not quite enough.

You must evaluate all the neighbors' smartmeters, their direction and shielding. Each meter is usually mounted on a metal box or plate and you want those to be between you and the meter. Facing away from you.

If it faces at an angle, that's bad if there is no metal between you and it. Give your neighbors a link, e.g., smartGridAwareness.org and hope they read it. Some may allow you to tape a piece of copper foil over the section of their meter that faces you, even though they may think you are wrong. Others, I'm told, can be bribed with the encouragement that they will find the proof in their own improved health.

Even a house with a meter facing away will radiate some EMF to you and this is perceptible because the entire house wiring is radiating. Yet every improvement helps.
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Re: smart meter inquiry

Fizzy
Thanks JWest. Do you know how far smart meters can emit out of interest? We are 80-100 ft away from our nearest neighbour but I am sure their meter will still be beaming in our house to a certain extent. Shielding seems to be the way to go as they pulled a face when I expained about ES.
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Re: smart meter inquiry

JWest
Neighbors faces: Give them a few links where they can study on their own. Don't be surprised if people behave narrow mindedly.

Make sure all your other EMF concerns are fixed (switchmode circuitry in LED/fluorescent bulbs, fans, monitors, power cables, wireless stuff, etc)

Look at all your nearby smart meters. Which direction are they pointing? If away from you, then they should have a metal box or plate between you and the meter. But still the entire house is resonating somewhat.

Meters are rated to communicate wirelessly in worst case scenarios at 600 feet, which means they can send an unintelligible carrier signal 3000 ft -- to be skeptical or safe -- the signals are strong.

Living in a remote area off-grid is best, but then you can get cabin fever :)  

Shielding can be tested with a Faraday cage. Foil can be placed between you and the smartmeter, but don't reflect another meeter from another angle! Pre shielding analysis is difficult.

Ajiacn is a company that makes inexpensive shielding clothing on AliExpress

A meter 100 ft away can have an impact, and usually there are several. I noticed anger, anxiety and slight vertigo, before I shielded, yet luckily the related house was bought and the new owner moved the meter to the opposite side of his house facing away from me. Still I cannot sleep without a shielding cocoon. I plan on much more shielding with copper foil and aluminum foil. I appear completely un-PC, and work to conceal that -- but sound sleep, sanity and health is an ever present need.

There is a study online (forgot the source) that experiments with a small Faraday cage of aluminum foil. The slightest separation in the seams, causes EMF to enter the cage via resonance through the seams. So I have noticed over more than a year of observations, that my cocoon must reach over my head by two feet so that I can flop that extension together as a pillow and completely seal the cocoon, otherwise, I get nervous leg syndrome. I have a small breathing vent area, but plan on a metal mesh there.

Even without those seam concerns, and used roughly, however, the Faraday cocoon is a blessing.
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Re: smart meter inquiry

Fizzy
Thank you so much for taking the time and effort to provide such comprehensive information. I didn't know that about how far a smart meter emitted! But I suspected as much and we have shielded the front of our house facing the one neighbour, and are shielding a bedroom and may shield the living room etc. So true too about a cocoon. I use one to sleep under and couldn't exist or manage without it!
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Re: smart meter inquiry

JWest
Yea for cocoons. Good to hear you.