How I survive. Tips and tricks.

Hello to all :) This is my first post here.
I want to share how i survive with ES and my plan to cure it.

I had a realisation last night. My body was in alot of pain. When i went to bed I took one of my orgonite(which i made myself half a year ago) placed it between my hands and just layed there in bed breathing for 20 minutes. I could feel all the tension and hurt releasing itself from my body. After this I was so happy i started laughing.
Suddenly i Could breath again. This is the best way i can describe to a non sensitive person how it is to be ES. Its like suffocation. Telling them about all the bodyli symptomes just makes them try to come with other reasons about what the cause might be. When it is an energetic thing, and it is hard to explain energy with words. Try to explain feelings or music. It is not easy.
I use acupressure  to release to body tension. See video links below.
This has probably been posted here before.
In my book Energy Medicine by Donna Eden she writes about how she treated herself from ES with magnets placed on different acupressure points on the meridians. I currently studying this field, but have not yet tried using magnets. But I waent to mention I think the main meridians to fokus on is triple warmer and spleen when it comes to ES. This is offcouse individual and needs lot more research.

Placing an orgonite on my laptop, where the wifi is, also helps me. Even though I hope to cure myself from Es I plan to get away from the city and get in a more harmonious enviroment. This is what ES has learned me. WE live in a disharmonious microwave enviroment and its  more of this everyday. Now they use internet 3g/4g/wifi on the bus. OUCH!
Earthing also helps. Leaning into a tree for example. Nature helps in general.
One of the things I want to hear from you guys is what you experience when holding orgonite in between your hands. close your eyes and listen to the body.

Acupressure points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6KKyPjnhjI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKcthwadUNo

Also including an article on orgonite from a norwegian alternative
news site http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyhetsspeilet.no%2F2012%2F09%2Fhimmelrensing%2F

What is your sollutions?
there are so many posts in this forum and I dont want to sit in front of computer reading all of them. Thanks for all you are contributing with.

From Hawk

Thanks for sharing your story Hawk... Just a quick response, as I'm heading out tomorrow, going to be traveling up to the NW with the intention of finding land for an ES Sanctuary hopefully. Avoidance has worked best for me, and I've been wanting to get back to nature anyway!  ES has been a kick in the behind to get me moving in that direction. :-)  Reducing radiation exposure from all sources (low frequencies, high RF frequencies, geopathic, etc.), diet and nutrition, as well as stress reduction are important keys. I've come to the conclusion for myself that ever increasing radiation in our environment necessitates living rurally and possibly off the grid as well. More penetrating technologies are coming, and the amount of overlapping technologies and devices is simply staggering. The writing is on the wall for me... I'm tired of just barely treading water. I'm ready to THRIVE!  :-) 

Do what you have to do to protect yourself and build up your defenses. There are lots of smart and experienced folks here who can help. There's also another ES yahoo group, emfrefugee that has another group of smart and experienced folks. We have to stick together, help each other out. You'll probably find that not everything works for everybody. ES is complex and takes a bit of detective work to figure out what works best for your body and situation. 

Welcome to the group!
Tim



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 From: hawkons <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 6:28 AM
Subject: [eSens] How I survive. Tips and tricks.
 


 
Hello to all :) This is my first post here.
I want to share how i survive with ES and my plan to cure it.

I had a realisation last night. My body was in alot of pain. When i went to bed I took one of my orgonite(which i made myself half a year ago) placed it between my hands and just layed there in bed breathing for 20 minutes. I could feel all the tension and hurt releasing itself from my body. After this I was so happy i started laughing.
Suddenly i Could breath again. This is the best way i can describe to a non sensitive person how it is to be ES. Its like suffocation. Telling them about all the bodyli symptomes just makes them try to come with other reasons about what the cause might be. When it is an energetic thing, and it is hard to explain energy with words. Try to explain feelings or music. It is not easy.
I use acupressure  to release to body tension. See video links below.
This has probably been posted here before.
In my book Energy Medicine by Donna Eden she writes about how she treated herself from ES with magnets placed on different acupressure points on the meridians. I currently studying this field, but have not yet tried using magnets. But I waent to mention I think the main meridians to fokus on is triple warmer and spleen when it comes to ES. This is offcouse individual and needs lot more research.

Placing an orgonite on my laptop, where the wifi is, also helps me. Even though I hope to cure myself from Es I plan to get away from the city and get in a more harmonious enviroment. This is what ES has learned me. WE live in a disharmonious microwave enviroment and its  more of this everyday. Now they use internet 3g/4g/wifi on the bus. OUCH!
Earthing also helps. Leaning into a tree for example. Nature helps in general.
One of the things I want to hear from you guys is what you experience when holding orgonite in between your hands. close your eyes and listen to the body.

Acupressure points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6KKyPjnhjI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKcthwadUNo

Also including an article on orgonite from a norwegian alternative
news site http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyhetsspeilet.no%2F2012%2F09%2Fhimmelrensing%2F

What is your sollutions?
there are so many posts in this forum and I dont want to sit in front of computer reading all of them. Thanks for all you are contributing with.

From Hawk


 

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On May  7, hawkons <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hello to all :) This is my first post here.

Welcome to the group, Hawk!

Well I'm glad someone benefits from orgonite.  I personally found
orgonite to be intolerable -- far worse than the EMF I was trying to
protect against!

Recently, I noticed an orgone manufacturer who also determined that
regular orgonite was harmful for people who are "energy sensitive", and
came up with something to address that.  You can read about that
here:

  http://www.orgoneenergy.org/about-us

I purchased a couple items from this website, and found the energy
to be similar to regular orgonite, which was a bit surprising to me because
they contained no metal or crystals.  The items I ordered were actually
way too strong for me, so I had my wife drive far away and toss
them in a public garbage can!

However, I will note that I had an unusually good night's sleep on
the one night that their "Aircraft Harmonizer" was about 60 feet
away from where I was sleeping (they claim it has a range of
100 feet).  However, having something always 60 feet away from
me is not practical for me (it would be if I had a huge yard, but
I don't), so I've ordered some of their cheaper items to see if
I can find something beneficial/tolerable at a distance of 0 - 10 feet
away from me.

Marc

Hi Marc

This is interesting - can you post back to the group how you get on with the cheaper devices you are thinking of trialling so that the rest of us can see whether they might be any good for us [or not, as the case may be!]

Thanks
Steph




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 From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013, 20:25
Subject: Re: [eSens] How I survive. Tips and tricks.
 


 
On May  7, hawkons <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hello to all :) This is my first post here.

Welcome to the group, Hawk!

Well I'm glad someone benefits from orgonite.  I personally found
orgonite to be intolerable -- far worse than the EMF I was trying to
protect against!

Recently, I noticed an orgone manufacturer who also determined that
regular orgonite was harmful for people who are "energy sensitive", and
came up with something to address that.  You can read about that
here:

http://www.orgoneenergy.org/about-us

I purchased a couple items from this website, and found the energy
to be similar to regular orgonite, which was a bit surprising to me because
they contained no metal or crystals.  The items I ordered were actually
way too strong for me, so I had my wife drive far away and toss
them in a public garbage can!

However, I will note that I had an unusually good night's sleep on
the one night that their "Aircraft Harmonizer" was about 60 feet
away from where I was sleeping (they claim it has a range of
100 feet).  However, having something always 60 feet away from
me is not practical for me (it would be if I had a huge yard, but
I don't), so I've ordered some of their cheaper items to see if
I can find something beneficial/tolerable at a distance of 0 - 10 feet
away from me.

Marc

 

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On May  7, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> This is interesting - can you post back to the group how you get on with
> the cheaper devices you are thinking of trialling so that the rest of us can see
> whether they might be any good for us [or not, as the case may be!]

Yes, of course!

You should note that I appear to be more sensitive to energy devices
than the typical person on this discussion group.  That is, while some
people report feeling absolutely no difference from the Q-Link, Earthcalm,
Quantum Products, etc. I *do* notice a difference.  So when I say
something is too strong for me, it may just be that this is "just strong
enough" for someone who doesn't notice anything from other
devices.

And when I say they were too strong, I specifically had a
nasty reaction to their energy wrist band, which just looks like a harmless
piece of rubber.  And yet I could not stand having this in my pocket
for more than a few minutes!  And the withdrawal from this left me with
seriously impaired vision for about an hour (I was wondering if I needed
to go the emergency clinic, but my research indicated that I was having
the same sort of vision problems that people get prior to migraine
headaches -- something that I have prior experience with).

But they appear to sell weaker items, so that's what I'm going
to try next.  The people who sell these did not offer any useful
advise on what their weaker items might be, so I'm starting
with the "Child's Ionizing Toothbrush".  :-)

Marc

> the same sort of vision problems that people get prior to migraine
> headaches -- something that I have prior experience with).

Correction - I should have said that I have NO prior experience
with migraine headaches or the vision symptoms associated
with them.  However, the withdrawal from the energy band
caused me the same vision symptoms (but no migraine headache)

Marc

I don't know the difference between orgone and orgonite... but a friend had an orgone device he loaned me. At first it was amazing. I felt charged up in a very positive way. I had more energy and actually kind of joy and slept. (Unusual)

Then it seemed to overcharge me, and I couldn't stand it. I reasoned that my body was too weak to sustain that energy level. It became irritating and agitating. I put it in my yard at the corner until I returned it to my friend.

Energy is strange and fascinating. There are times when I am exquisitely sensitive, and times or things that don't bother me. At one point I was visiting a sister, and the only bed for me to sleep in was a hospital bed (used by my mother prior to her death). I had to unplug the bed from the wall it was bothering me so much - metal bed, plugged in.  (Think about hospital patients and the elderly.)

There are times when I feel things very strongly - especially when they are new to me. Then my body gets used to that energy and I'm no longer aware of it. There are times when something bothers me immensely, and I try to trace where the energy source is coming from.

There are times when I feel other people's energy, and it is interesting to understand why one person's energy is incompatible with my energy, aura or whatever.

Judy



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On May  7, "judyl_nev" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I don't know the difference between orgone and orgonite... but a friend had an
> orgone device he loaned me. At first it was amazing. I felt charged up in a very
> positive way. I had more energy and actually kind of joy and slept. (Unusual)
>
> Then it seemed to overcharge me, and I couldn't stand it. I reasoned that my body
> was too weak to sustain that energy level. It became irritating and agitating.

For me, orgonite causes me to become agitated rather quickly -- it also, as
I recall, caused me chest pains.

With this new stuff from orgoneenergy.com, I didn't notice any chest
pains, but the agitation was still there.  My body only relaxed when I got away
from it.

Marc

just thinking about holding it between my hands kinda freaks my brain, but i use little cupcake orgonite things around the perimeter of my room… maybe six or so of them.  i don't have cramps here now.  my theory is that they somehow attract and collect the EMF.  ?  anybody know for sure?  i had a friend who used to make LOTS of them to put under cell phone towers and to give to his friends.  i attribute my survival in my old place to them.  
love, patricia
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Hi Hawk,

Nice to meet you.   I am studying Donna Eden's Energy Medicine, too.
Have a friend who is lending me DVD's where Donna is teaching different subjects.    

You mentioned triple warmer & spleen meridians and EMF's.     Along with spleen meridian depletion brought on by an overactive triple warmer, an interesting connection is that triple warmer governs the adrenals and thyroid gland, both of which can get dramatically affected by EMF's and other kinds of physical and mental stressors.

Donna's techniques and observations about energy are part of the tools I use to help with ES. We also keep most of the electricity in the house turned off at the garage circuit breaker box, turning particular breakers on only when needed and use battery operated lamps and lights.  Sleep with no power in the room.  Installed a ground rod for our house because the ground rod that came with the house was placed in cement instead of the earth.  I shop mostly online to stay out of the high RF in stores as much as possible.  Stay away from all processed foods, drink good filtered water and buy organic produce.   When I visit friends and family, ask them to turn off their wifi.  Have even brought my corded phone over so that they could have a phone and I wouldn't be inundated by their DECT phones.  ortunately I have friends and family who are willing to allow this.     Bought shielding material for our iMac so that it's high level RF's are greatly reduced.  And last, but definitely not least, work with a naturopath who has been extremely helpful in restoring my health.

If you'd like to talk more about Donna's methods, feel free to contact me through email.

Sue
           


--- In [hidden email], "hawkons" <hawkons@...> wrote:

> so I've ordered some of their cheaper items to see if
> I can find something beneficial/tolerable at a distance of 0 - 10 feet
> away from me.
>
> Marc
>

Hi Marc, you are a rocket engineer, eh?
What would be your advice to somebody, who wants to experiment with building rockets at home?

I am a mech/chem engineer and have been experimenting with orgonite for 9 years, and my short advice to members of this forum is: "Don't try this at home."

Without the help of some great minds on the (now defunct) forums "forums.orgonite.com" and  "forums.cloudbusters.com", and a friend who is a great clairvoyant and dowser, I would never have come to an understanding of the odd phenomena around orgonite devices.

But if you have tried everything else, are desperate, and wont take "No" for  an answer, my second advice is to never buy orgonite in any shape or form, but make it yourself. Because I know of 6(six) possible causes for an adverse reaction to orgonite, but only one of them spells danger, and that one can be avoided by making the orgonite yourself. And it is so simple to make, though difficult to use.

It is not that i am secretive (about those 6 causes), though i may sound so, but i am reluctant to start on a detailed explanation, as it will be a long one, sound really Woo-Woo, and maybe hard to understand - English is not my native language.

On June  7, elihme <[hidden email]> wrote:
> It is not that i am secretive (about those 6 causes), though i may sound so,
> but i am reluctant to start on a detailed explanation, as it will be a long one,
> sound really Woo-Woo, and maybe hard to understand - English is not my
> native language.

Well yes, anytime you talk about objects emitting "energy", it will be
"woo-woo" to some people... but I agree, for me, orgonite seems to
best be avoided altogether, and is often worse than the things I'm
trying to protect myself from.

(but I'd still be interested in the 6 reasons for adverse reactions to orgonite!)

Marc

Me too, I also very much like to know about the 6 reasons for adverse reaction; I think orgone is an intriguing subject & the concept of "bions" self-luminescent sub-cellular vesicles. If orgone has no scientific base, Russian govt wouldn't have funded research studies on orgone & healing blanket as part of their previous space programme.

alice

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

> (but I'd still be interested in the 6 reasons for adverse reactions to orgonite!)
>
> Marc
>
I'll mail you.