Help! New central heating Pump
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Hi really really need some help. My room at my parents house, although not ideal ( it has water tank with central heating pump in a corner cupboard) has afforded some measure of sanctury, despite the troublesome emf when the heating is on in winter. Anyway the heating broke down last week and the gas man came and replaced it yesterday, at the time he told me it would be a 240 volt pump the same as the old one which was more than 20 plus years old. Anyway it is considerably stronger to the point that I feel destroyed today and slept poorly, I feel overwhelmed by the energy and alarmed as to how I am going to function let alone be able to sleep in my room. My question is does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can shield or reduce the emf? Any and all suggestions would be really welcomed.
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Hi Betty,
> central heating pump in a corner cupboard) How close is it to your living or sleeping area? > it would be a 240 volt pump the same as the old one which was more than 20 plus years old. Yeah, sure. Same as the old one. Made in the same country with the same windings and electric control board. Sure... > My question is does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can shield or reduce the emf? Any and all suggestions would be really welcomed. > Can you tell if the problem is a magnetic field from a motor, or a RF problem from some electronics? or even a dirty electricuity kind of RF problem is another possibility. Quite frankly, I get better results using Avoidance, and Replacement of components until satisfactory. In this case, I would need to know more about the pump to come close to a "final answer" for you. I doubt will be easy to replace the pump with a quieter model... and while you may achieve some reduction with grounded carbon absorber and aluminum foil, etc. I doubt it wll be the same. My best advice is to ask how you feel on the opposite side of the house? to determine the range of the problem, may help identify the specific irritant. Stewart |
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And also, anything with a variable speed motor puts out high emfs. Maybe Stewart or someone else can answer whether this pump has a variable speed motor on it. I'll bet it does. And its probably high magnetic fields, if that's the case. Distance away from it is your best option. Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 19:04:57 -0800 Subject: Re: [eSens] Help! New central heating Pump Hi Betty, > central heating pump in a corner cupboard) How close is it to your living or sleeping area? > it would be a 240 volt pump the same as the old one which was more than 20 plus years old. Yeah, sure. Same as the old one. Made in the same country with the same windings and electric control board. Sure... > My question is does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can shield or reduce the emf? Any and all suggestions would be really welcomed. > Can you tell if the problem is a magnetic field from a motor, or a RF problem from some electronics? or even a dirty electricuity kind of RF problem is another possibility. Quite frankly, I get better results using Avoidance, and Replacement of components until satisfactory. In this case, I would need to know more about the pump to come close to a "final answer" for you. I doubt will be easy to replace the pump with a quieter model... and while you may achieve some reduction with grounded carbon absorber and aluminum foil, etc. I doubt it wll be the same. My best advice is to ask how you feel on the opposite side of the house? to determine the range of the problem, may help identify the specific irritant. Stewart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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If it is inside a cupboard can you put multiple layers metal on the inside of the cupboard door somewhere between it and you? If it is a magnetic field from the motor you can use mu metal but that is expensive. Multiple layers of steel will reduce it as well. I use simple heating duct sheets bought at a hardware store such as Home Depot. Are there wires that you can put snap on ferrites on? --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote: > > > And also, anything with a variable speed motor puts out high emfs. > Maybe Stewart or someone else can answer whether this pump has > a variable speed motor on it. I'll bet it does. And its probably high > magnetic fields, if that's the case. Distance away from it is your best > option. > Lizzie > > > > > To: [hidden email] > From: sandreas41@... > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 19:04:57 -0800 > Subject: Re: [eSens] Help! New central heating Pump > > > > > > > Hi Betty, > > central heating pump in a corner cupboard) > How close is it to your living or sleeping area? > > > it would be a 240 volt pump the same as the old one which was more than 20 plus years old. > Yeah, sure. Same as the old one. Made in the same country with the same > windings and electric control board. Sure... > > > My question is does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can shield or reduce the emf? Any and all suggestions would be really welcomed. > > > > Can you tell if the problem is a magnetic field from a motor, or a RF > problem from some electronics? > or even a dirty electricuity kind of RF problem is another possibility. > > Quite frankly, I get better results using Avoidance, and Replacement of > components until satisfactory. In this case, I would need to know more > about the pump to come close to a "final answer" for you. > I doubt will be easy to replace the pump with a quieter model... and > while you may achieve some reduction with grounded carbon absorber and > aluminum foil, etc. I doubt it wll be the same. > > My best advice is to ask how you feel on the opposite side of the house? > to determine the range of the problem, may help identify the specific > irritant. > > Stewart > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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If it is a variable speed motor than you'll also need filters on the wires.
I think it is worth contacting the installer and trying to get a non-variable speed motor (though the utilities prefer the variable speed because it is more efficient and can be run at different power levels as desired ... in some cases they can control the power remotely!). If it is variable speed, it is also possible that on maximum speed it will be OK. You should be able to tell with an AM radio. Bill On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:56 AM, fantasticsam131 <[hidden email]>wrote: > ** > > > > If it is inside a cupboard can you put multiple layers metal on the inside > of the cupboard door somewhere between it and you? If it is a magnetic > field from the motor you can use mu metal but that is expensive. Multiple > layers of steel will reduce it as well. I use simple heating duct sheets > bought at a hardware store such as Home Depot. Are there wires that you can > put snap on ferrites on? > --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote: > > > > > > And also, anything with a variable speed motor puts out high emfs. > > Maybe Stewart or someone else can answer whether this pump has > > a variable speed motor on it. I'll bet it does. And its probably high > > magnetic fields, if that's the case. Distance away from it is your best > > option. > > Lizzie > > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > From: sandreas41@... > > > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 19:04:57 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Help! New central heating Pump > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Betty, > > > central heating pump in a corner cupboard) > > How close is it to your living or sleeping area? > > > > > it would be a 240 volt pump the same as the old one which was more > than 20 plus years old. > > Yeah, sure. Same as the old one. Made in the same country with the same > > windings and electric control board. Sure... > > > > > My question is does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can shield > or reduce the emf? Any and all suggestions would be really welcomed. > > > > > > > Can you tell if the problem is a magnetic field from a motor, or a RF > > problem from some electronics? > > or even a dirty electricuity kind of RF problem is another possibility. > > > > Quite frankly, I get better results using Avoidance, and Replacement of > > components until satisfactory. In this case, I would need to know more > > about the pump to come close to a "final answer" for you. > > I doubt will be easy to replace the pump with a quieter model... and > > while you may achieve some reduction with grounded carbon absorber and > > aluminum foil, etc. I doubt it wll be the same. > > > > My best advice is to ask how you feel on the opposite side of the house? > > to determine the range of the problem, may help identify the specific > > irritant. > > > > Stewart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [hidden email] [hidden email] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
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Guys thanks for answering, am feeling pretty upset by all of this, to have had a modicum of sanctuary that has now gone is quite distressing, I feel tired and wiped out after 3 nights of this and am finding it hard to think straight. The way our house is structured ( ie quite small) there is no other room to escape to, and I can now feel the effects of this new motor not only in my entire bedroom but also in the living room downstairs.I have used the LF and RF meter on my machine and it does not register any higher than normal readings, although my machine i think is quite a basic one, so I find it hard to understand what exactly has gone wrong. I spoke to the Gas board who didn't really have any suggestions to make apart from getting an electrician in to check for dirty electricity. I have put layers of aluminium foil on the inside of the door which have made negligible difference, I really don't know what to do next. Stewart you mentioned carbon grounding ( ?) could you tell me what exactly that is and how it works? Thanks --- In [hidden email], "fantasticsam131" <quaixemen@...> wrote: > > > If it is inside a cupboard can you put multiple layers metal on the inside of the cupboard door somewhere between it and you? If it is a magnetic field from the motor you can use mu metal but that is expensive. Multiple layers of steel will reduce it as well. I use simple heating duct sheets bought at a hardware store such as Home Depot. Are there wires that you can put snap on ferrites on? > --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@> wrote: > > > > > > And also, anything with a variable speed motor puts out high emfs. > > Maybe Stewart or someone else can answer whether this pump has > > a variable speed motor on it. I'll bet it does. And its probably high > > magnetic fields, if that's the case. Distance away from it is your best > > option. > > Lizzie > > > > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > From: sandreas41@ > > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 19:04:57 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Help! New central heating Pump > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Betty, > > > central heating pump in a corner cupboard) > > How close is it to your living or sleeping area? > > > > > it would be a 240 volt pump the same as the old one which was more than 20 plus years old. > > Yeah, sure. Same as the old one. Made in the same country with the same > > windings and electric control board. Sure... > > > > > My question is does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can shield or reduce the emf? Any and all suggestions would be really welcomed. > > > > > > > Can you tell if the problem is a magnetic field from a motor, or a RF > > problem from some electronics? > > or even a dirty electricuity kind of RF problem is another possibility. > > > > Quite frankly, I get better results using Avoidance, and Replacement of > > components until satisfactory. In this case, I would need to know more > > about the pump to come close to a "final answer" for you. > > I doubt will be easy to replace the pump with a quieter model... and > > while you may achieve some reduction with grounded carbon absorber and > > aluminum foil, etc. I doubt it wll be the same. > > > > My best advice is to ask how you feel on the opposite side of the house? > > to determine the range of the problem, may help identify the specific > > irritant. > > > > Stewart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > |
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betty_starbuckle wrote: > I have used the LF and RF meter on my machine and it does not register any higher That's annoying. I know it is difficult to determine What is causing the problem without having the right meter that can detect it. Personally I would measure it with an Acoustimeter, and check for dirty electricity with a GS meter. If the magnetic field is "normal" and within a 6-12 ft radius, then the problem must be some kind of RF. > I have put layers of aluminium foil on the inside of the door which have made negligible difference, Suggests it might be in the wiring then. Like Bill suggested a noisier kind of motor, I agree is a good possibility. > I really don't know what to do next. Stewart you mentioned carbon grounding ( ?) could you tell me what exactly that is and how it works? > There is a "microwave absorber fabric" I bought from LessEMF last year, that does make a difference, just not enough on a long term "solution". We have hung sheets of it over the windows, and grounded them, so that the neighbor's WiFi, which btw is back on as of this writing >:-( makes the upstairs Tolerable, instead of Intolerable. Even for us, the only effective solution will be to move. It works by absorbing the microwave frequencies (cell phone, wifi, etc) and directing the current to ground. Probably just like Y-shield paint. And just like Loni's situation, it may not be a solution long term. I think the EMR levels are just too high to live in a bubble in such areas of high power density. Also, none of our efforts are addressing the problem of energies on the quantum scale. I feel like a lab rat. Stewart http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html |
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