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I got a new battery for my 2000 Toyota Camry V6. It's a 6-year one that has 694 cold cranking amps. Then, when I drove my car, I immediately felt increased ES symptoms--ringing in my ears, pressure in my head, increased dizziness/brain-fog. The previous battery was a 3-year one but I don't know about it's cold cranking amps (or if in fact, the amps would have anything to do with it). However, I didn't have the reaction when I had the other battery, that I'm now having.
Is it likely the new battery would be causing me to have the increased symptoms? If so, is there something I can do to mitigate it? Thanks, Esther |
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Hi Esther
A car battery is a very simple device, and all by itself does not put out any electromagnetic fields regardless of the cranking amps or lifetime rating. One car battery may last longer or have more cranking amps, but otherwise they are the same. So the new battery is unlikely to be causing your symptoms. Tom On 10/5/2012 3:32 PM, gomma2 wrote: > I got a new battery for my 2000 Toyota Camry V6. It's a 6-year one that has 694 cold cranking amps. Then, when I drove my car, I immediately felt increased ES symptoms--ringing in my ears, pressure in my head, increased dizziness/brain-fog. The previous battery was a 3-year one but I don't know about it's cold cranking amps (or if in fact, the amps would have anything to do with it). However, I didn't have the reaction when I had the other battery, that I'm now having. > > Is it likely the new battery would be causing me to have the increased symptoms? If so, is there something I can do to mitigate it? > > Thanks, > Esther > > > -- Sent from my dishwasher. |
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Esther, I believe you. Many essers notice a difference in symptoms when changing outsomething electronic. I don't know the tech info for the battery issue.But I do know, there has to be something about the new battery that is vastlydifferent then the old battery. Maybe someone else on here has experience with car batteries, or somethingsimiliar in nature. Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 18:40:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [eSens] Help! New Car Battery Hi Esther A car battery is a very simple device, and all by itself does not put out any electromagnetic fields regardless of the cranking amps or lifetime rating. One car battery may last longer or have more cranking amps, but otherwise they are the same. So the new battery is unlikely to be causing your symptoms. Tom On 10/5/2012 3:32 PM, gomma2 wrote: > I got a new battery for my 2000 Toyota Camry V6. It's a 6-year one that has 694 cold cranking amps. Then, when I drove my car, I immediately felt increased ES symptoms--ringing in my ears, pressure in my head, increased dizziness/brain-fog. The previous battery was a 3-year one but I don't know about it's cold cranking amps (or if in fact, the amps would have anything to do with it). However, I didn't have the reaction when I had the other battery, that I'm now having. > > Is it likely the new battery would be causing me to have the increased symptoms? If so, is there something I can do to mitigate it? > > Thanks, > Esther > > > -- Sent from my dishwasher. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I have experience with batteries. A battery is a battery. If the new
battery was "vastly different" from the old battery it wouldn't be a battery anymore, it would be something else, and it wouldn't start the car. A battery is basically a container that has lead plates in an acid solution that has electrical potential. By itself it just sits there and does nothing. In a car it does nothing until you turn the key, and then it supplies electrical current to the starter. That's all it does. When the car is running the alternator (a part on the car engine) supplies current to recharge the battery. This is the same in all cars and with all batteries. Replacing a battery with a new one doesn't change the way things work. The new battery does the exact same thing as the old battery. If it did something different the car would not run. Tom On 10/5/2012 8:03 PM, Elizabeth thode wrote: > Esther, I believe you. Many essers notice a difference in symptoms when changing outsomething electronic. I don't know the tech info for the battery issue.But I do know, there has to be something about the new battery that is vastlydifferent then the old battery. Maybe someone else on here has experience with car batteries, or somethingsimiliar in nature. Lizzie > To: [hidden email] > From: [hidden email] > Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 18:40:35 -0400 > Subject: Re: [eSens] Help! New Car Battery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Esther > > > > A car battery is a very simple device, and all by itself does not put > > out any electromagnetic fields regardless of the cranking amps or > > lifetime rating. One car battery may last longer or have more cranking > > amps, but otherwise they are the same. So the new battery is unlikely > > to be causing your symptoms. > > > > Tom > > > > On 10/5/2012 3:32 PM, gomma2 wrote: > >> I got a new battery for my 2000 Toyota Camry V6. It's a 6-year one that has 694 cold cranking amps. Then, when I drove my car, I immediately felt increased ES symptoms--ringing in my ears, pressure in my head, increased dizziness/brain-fog. The previous battery was a 3-year one but I don't know about it's cold cranking amps (or if in fact, the amps would have anything to do with it). However, I didn't have the reaction when I had the other battery, that I'm now having. >> Is it likely the new battery would be causing me to have the increased symptoms? If so, is there something I can do to mitigate it? >> Thanks, >> Esther > > -- Sent from my dishwasher. |
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Esther, See if you can get another battery, like the one you had. Telephones are telephones too, Tom, but different brands can create different reactions. Blu Ray players brands can create different reactionsamong the ESsers. Answering machines have transformers....all look the same, right?Different reactions. Could also be a chemical outgass response. Could be the new battery,puts out more voltage. Something is causing the reaction. And with all due respect, Tom,the battery of course is doing what's it supposed to be doing.But it may be: a stronger, long life battery? Wouldn't this meanmore strenght? What would make the endurance longer?More power, maybe? As you're on this site, you are ES? Maybe you're one of the luckier ones?Who never replaced a simple piece of equiptment, and had a reaction? Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 22:03:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [eSens] Help! New Car Battery I have experience with batteries. A battery is a battery. If the new battery was "vastly different" from the old battery it wouldn't be a battery anymore, it would be something else, and it wouldn't start the car. A battery is basically a container that has lead plates in an acid solution that has electrical potential. By itself it just sits there and does nothing. In a car it does nothing until you turn the key, and then it supplies electrical current to the starter. That's all it does. When the car is running the alternator (a part on the car engine) supplies current to recharge the battery. This is the same in all cars and with all batteries. Replacing a battery with a new one doesn't change the way things work. The new battery does the exact same thing as the old battery. If it did something different the car would not run. Tom On 10/5/2012 8:03 PM, Elizabeth thode wrote: > Esther, I believe you. Many essers notice a difference in symptoms when changing outsomething electronic. I don't know the tech info for the battery issue.But I do know, there has to be something about the new battery that is vastlydifferent then the old battery. Maybe someone else on here has experience with car batteries, or somethingsimiliar in nature. Lizzie > To: [hidden email] > From: [hidden email] > Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 18:40:35 -0400 > Subject: Re: [eSens] Help! New Car Battery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Esther > > > > A car battery is a very simple device, and all by itself does not put > > out any electromagnetic fields regardless of the cranking amps or > > lifetime rating. One car battery may last longer or have more cranking > > amps, but otherwise they are the same. So the new battery is unlikely > > to be causing your symptoms. > > > > Tom > > > > On 10/5/2012 3:32 PM, gomma2 wrote: > >> I got a new battery for my 2000 Toyota Camry V6. It's a 6-year one that has 694 cold cranking amps. Then, when I drove my car, I immediately felt increased ES symptoms--ringing in my ears, pressure in my head, increased dizziness/brain-fog. The previous battery was a 3-year one but I don't know about it's cold cranking amps (or if in fact, the amps would have anything to do with it). However, I didn't have the reaction when I had the other battery, that I'm now having. >> Is it likely the new battery would be causing me to have the increased symptoms? If so, is there something I can do to mitigate it? >> Thanks, >> Esther > > -- Sent from my dishwasher. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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The only difference between a new car battery and an old one that I can
think of which might effect somebody sensitive to electromagnetic fields is this: If the new batter cranks the starter significantly faster than the old battery, that would cause a stronger field, but only while you are starting the engine. Once the engine is running, nothing would be different from the old battery. So we are talking about POSSIBLY a slightly stronger electrical field for the few seconds that the starter is turning. I have no idea if that is enough to affect somebody when they weren't affected before by the same car, but it seems unlikely. Tom On 10/5/2012 10:03 PM, Tom wrote: > I have experience with batteries. A battery is a battery. If the new > battery was "vastly different" from the old battery it wouldn't be a > battery anymore, it would be something else, and it wouldn't start the > car. A battery is basically a container that has lead plates in an acid > solution that has electrical potential. By itself it just sits there > and does nothing. In a car it does nothing until you turn the key, and > then it supplies electrical current to the starter. That's all it > does. When the car is running the alternator (a part on the car engine) > supplies current to recharge the battery. This is the same in all cars > and with all batteries. Replacing a battery with a new one doesn't > change the way things work. The new battery does the exact same thing > as the old battery. If it did something different the car would not run. > > Tom > > On 10/5/2012 8:03 PM, Elizabeth thode wrote: >> Esther, I believe you. Many essers notice a difference in symptoms when changing outsomething electronic. I don't know the tech info for the battery issue.But I do know, there has to be something about the new battery that is vastlydifferent then the old battery. Maybe someone else on here has experience with car batteries, or somethingsimiliar in nature. Lizzie >> To: [hidden email] >> From: [hidden email] >> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 18:40:35 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [eSens] Help! New Car Battery >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Esther >> >> >> >> A car battery is a very simple device, and all by itself does not put >> >> out any electromagnetic fields regardless of the cranking amps or >> >> lifetime rating. One car battery may last longer or have more cranking >> >> amps, but otherwise they are the same. So the new battery is unlikely >> >> to be causing your symptoms. >> >> >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> On 10/5/2012 3:32 PM, gomma2 wrote: >> >>> I got a new battery for my 2000 Toyota Camry V6. It's a 6-year one that has 694 cold cranking amps. Then, when I drove my car, I immediately felt increased ES symptoms--ringing in my ears, pressure in my head, increased dizziness/brain-fog. The previous battery was a 3-year one but I don't know about it's cold cranking amps (or if in fact, the amps would have anything to do with it). However, I didn't have the reaction when I had the other battery, that I'm now having. >>> Is it likely the new battery would be causing me to have the increased symptoms? If so, is there something I can do to mitigate it? >>> Thanks, >>> Esther >> > -- Sent from my dishwasher. |
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is there any chance that this new battery has some electronics in it ?
I can tell you now that I feel a stinging sensation in my face when I am near a fully charged car battery, I put this down to what might be electrically charged acid molecules coming of the battery in close proximity to it. puk In a message dated 06/10/2012 07:02:44 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: The only difference between a new car battery and an old one that I can think of which might effect somebody sensitive to electromagnetic fields is this: If the new batter cranks the starter significantly faster than the old battery, that would cause a stronger field, but only while you are starting the engine. Once the engine is running, nothing would be different from the old battery. So we are talking about POSSIBLY a slightly stronger electrical field for the few seconds that the starter is turning. I have no idea if that is enough to affect somebody when they weren't affected before by the same car, but it seems unlikely. Tom On 10/5/2012 10:03 PM, Tom wrote: > I have experience with batteries. A battery is a battery. If the new > battery was "vastly different" from the old battery it wouldn't be a > battery anymore, it would be something else, and it wouldn't start the > car. A battery is basically a container that has lead plates in an acid > solution that has electrical potential. By itself it just sits there > and does nothing. In a car it does nothing until you turn the key, and > then it supplies electrical current to the starter. That's all it > does. When the car is running the alternator (a part on the car engine) > supplies current to recharge the battery. This is the same in all cars > and with all batteries. Replacing a battery with a new one doesn't > change the way things work. The new battery does the exact same thing > as the old battery. If it did something different the car would not run. > > Tom > > On 10/5/2012 8:03 PM, Elizabeth thode wrote: >> Esther, I believe you. Many essers notice a difference in symptoms when battery issue.But I do know, there has to be something about the new battery that is vastlydifferent then the old battery. Maybe someone else on here has experience with car batteries, or somethingsimiliar in nature. Lizzie >> To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >> From: _theunknowable@optonline.net_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 18:40:35 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [eSens] Help! New Car Battery >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Esther >> >> >> >> A car battery is a very simple device, and all by itself does not put >> >> out any electromagnetic fields regardless of the cranking amps or >> >> lifetime rating. One car battery may last longer or have more cranking >> >> amps, but otherwise they are the same. So the new battery is unlikely >> >> to be causing your symptoms. >> >> >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> On 10/5/2012 3:32 PM, gomma2 wrote: >> >>> I got a new battery for my 2000 Toyota Camry V6. It's a 6-year one increased ES symptoms--ringing in my ears, pressure in my head, increased dizziness/brain-fog. The previous battery was a 3-year one but I don't know about it's cold cranking amps (or if in fact, the amps would have anything to do with it). However, I didn't have the reaction when I had the other battery, that I'm now having. >>> Is it likely the new battery would be causing me to have the increased symptoms? If so, is there something I can do to mitigate it? >>> Thanks, >>> Esther >> > -- Sent from my dishwasher. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Thanks for all the replies!
I noticed something else after the battery was installed (which may have been my imagination), but the car seemed to be "zippier"--have more power. This makes no sense, since the battery isn't running the car. The guy who installed it asked me if I were having problems with the alternator. I replied that I didn't think so, but how would I know? I should have asked him. Now I'm wondering.... I just now read an article on how alternators work. They convert AC power from the engine into DC power to charge the battery. They generate power through magnetism. Maybe something is wrong w/ the alternator that's causing an increased EMF field, and it wasn't apparent until the new battery was installed? I also found this info. "A car battery works by producing an electrical charge via a chemical reaction inside the battery, which is then sent through wires to power the starter, the lights, radio, and any other electrical components. As well as working to power the electrical components of the car, the battery also works as an electrical equalizer, absorbing any dangerous voltage and protecting the cars electrical system from being damaged by any power spikes." I'm not sure what it means when it says it's an electrical equalizer. Guess I have more sleuthing to do, to see if I can figure out what changed to increase my ES reaction in the car.... Any more thoughts from the group are more than welcome. Esther On Oct 6, 2012, at 2:13 AM, [hidden email] wrote: > is there any chance that this new battery has some electronics in it ? > I can tell you now that I feel a stinging sensation in my face when > I am > near a fully charged car battery, I put this down to what might be > electrically charged acid molecules coming of the battery in close > proximity to it. > puk > > > In a message dated 06/10/2012 07:02:44 GMT Daylight Time, > [hidden email] writes: > > The only difference between a new car battery and an old one that I > can > think of which might effect somebody sensitive to electromagnetic > fields > is this: If the new batter cranks the starter significantly faster > than > the old battery, that would cause a stronger field, but only while you > are starting the engine. Once the engine is running, nothing would be > different from the old battery. So we are talking about POSSIBLY a > slightly stronger electrical field for the few seconds that the > starter > is turning. I have no idea if that is enough to affect somebody when > they weren't affected before by the same car, but it seems unlikely. > > Tom > > On 10/5/2012 10:03 PM, Tom wrote: > > I have experience with batteries. A battery is a battery. If the new > > battery was "vastly different" from the old battery it wouldn't be a > > battery anymore, it would be something else, and it wouldn't start > the > > car. A battery is basically a container that has lead plates in an > acid > > solution that has electrical potential. By itself it just sits there > > and does nothing. In a car it does nothing until you turn the key, > and > > then it supplies electrical current to the starter. That's all it > > does. When the car is running the alternator (a part on the car > engine) > > supplies current to recharge the battery. This is the same in all > cars > > and with all batteries. Replacing a battery with a new one doesn't > > change the way things work. The new battery does the exact same > thing > > as the old battery. If it did something different the car would > not run. > > > > Tom > > > > On 10/5/2012 8:03 PM, Elizabeth thode wrote: > >> Esther, I believe you. Many essers notice a difference in > symptoms when > changing outsomething electronic. I don't know the tech info for the > battery issue.But I do know, there has to be something about the new > battery > that is vastlydifferent then the old battery. Maybe someone else on > here has > experience with car batteries, or somethingsimiliar in nature. Lizzie > >> To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > >> From: _theunknowable@optonline.net_ > (mailto:[hidden email]) > >> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 18:40:35 -0400 > >> Subject: Re: [eSens] Help! New Car Battery > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi Esther > >> > >> > >> > >> A car battery is a very simple device, and all by itself does not > put > >> > >> out any electromagnetic fields regardless of the cranking amps or > >> > >> lifetime rating. One car battery may last longer or have more > cranking > >> > >> amps, but otherwise they are the same. So the new battery is > unlikely > >> > >> to be causing your symptoms. > >> > >> > >> > >> Tom > >> > >> > >> > >> On 10/5/2012 3:32 PM, gomma2 wrote: > >> > >>> I got a new battery for my 2000 Toyota Camry V6. It's a 6-year one > that has 694 cold cranking amps. Then, when I drove my car, I > immediately felt > increased ES symptoms--ringing in my ears, pressure in my head, > increased > dizziness/brain-fog. The previous battery was a 3-year one but I > don't know > about it's cold cranking amps (or if in fact, the amps would have > anything > to do with it). However, I didn't have the reaction when I had the > other > battery, that I'm now having. > >>> Is it likely the new battery would be causing me to have the > increased > symptoms? If so, is there something I can do to mitigate it? > >>> Thanks, > >>> Esther > >> > > > > -- > Sent from my dishwasher. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/join (Yahoo! 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I feel a difference between different types of batteries, and
I really don't like the lithium ones, and try getting a button one for your pc that isn't anymore. Perhaps you have a different type of battery in car, dry vs. wet cell, gel, etc. than you did. Even if it's the same brand and type, they may have altered their "recipe", which would change the feel, or it could have some impurities in it that cause it to feel different to you. Like an AC outlet, they're supposedly all the same, and you get a bad one, that you can feel, or doesn't function properly, and nothing seems to be wrong with it, but it obviously has something not quite right in it. Can you have your battery switched to a different one to try? ~ Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], Esther LeSieur <gomma@...> wrote: > > Thanks for all the replies! > > I noticed something else after the battery was installed (which may > have been my imagination), but the car seemed to be "zippier"--have > more power. This makes no sense, since the battery isn't running the > car. > > The guy who installed it asked me if I were having problems with the > alternator. I replied that I didn't think so, but how would I know? I > should have asked him. Now I'm wondering.... > > I just now read an article on how alternators work. They convert AC > power from the engine into DC power to charge the battery. They > generate power through magnetism. Maybe something is wrong w/ the > alternator that's causing an increased EMF field, and it wasn't > apparent until the new battery was installed? > > I also found this info. "A car battery works by producing an > electrical charge via a chemical reaction inside the battery, which is > then sent through wires to power the starter, the lights, radio, and > any other electrical components. As well as working to power the > electrical components of the car, the battery also works as an > electrical equalizer, absorbing any dangerous voltage and protecting > the cars electrical system from being damaged by any power spikes." > I'm not sure what it means when it says it's an electrical equalizer. > > Guess I have more sleuthing to do, to see if I can figure out what > changed to increase my ES reaction in the car.... Any more thoughts > from the group are more than welcome. > > Esther > > > > On Oct 6, 2012, at 2:13 AM, paulpjc@... wrote: > > > is there any chance that this new battery has some electronics in it ? > > I can tell you now that I feel a stinging sensation in my face when > > I am > > near a fully charged car battery, I put this down to what might be > > electrically charged acid molecules coming of the battery in close > > proximity to it. > > puk > > > > |
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Hi Esther
The battery does, in fact, affect the operation of the alternator. An old batter near the end of its life tends to deplete easier, and tends to make the alternator work harder to charge it. If the battery is very depleted it may cause the alternator work so hard that it overheats and/or burns out completely. That may be why the mechanic asked about the alternator. On the other hand, if the alternator is not functioning well, it can make it seem like you need a new battery, when in fact you need a new alternator. If your alternator is OK, then changing the old battery for a new one should cause the alternator to work less hard, because a new battery is easier to charge. There definitely is a difference in the way the alternator works with a fresh new battery compared to with an old battery. I think it's possible that because of age and wear and tear your alternator or some other part of the charging circuit such as the regulator may be near the end of its life and emitting a stronger EMF than normal. It would be great if you had a mechanic who could measure these fields and compare your car to a similar car. The problem you have is that you can have the alternator and regulator replaced to see if that helps, but there is no way to know until you spend the money. Tom On 10/6/2012 6:39 AM, Esther LeSieur wrote: > Thanks for all the replies! > > I noticed something else after the battery was installed (which may > have been my imagination), but the car seemed to be "zippier"--have > more power. This makes no sense, since the battery isn't running the > car. > > The guy who installed it asked me if I were having problems with the > alternator. I replied that I didn't think so, but how would I know? I > should have asked him. Now I'm wondering.... > > I just now read an article on how alternators work. They convert AC > power from the engine into DC power to charge the battery. They > generate power through magnetism. Maybe something is wrong w/ the > alternator that's causing an increased EMF field, and it wasn't > apparent until the new battery was installed? > > I also found this info. "A car battery works by producing an > electrical charge via a chemical reaction inside the battery, which is > then sent through wires to power the starter, the lights, radio, and > any other electrical components. As well as working to power the > electrical components of the car, the battery also works as an > electrical equalizer, absorbing any dangerous voltage and protecting > the cars electrical system from being damaged by any power spikes." > I'm not sure what it means when it says it's an electrical equalizer. > > Guess I have more sleuthing to do, to see if I can figure out what > changed to increase my ES reaction in the car.... Any more thoughts > from the group are more than welcome. > > Esther > > > > > > On Oct 6, 2012, at 2:13 AM, [hidden email] wrote: > >> is there any chance that this new battery has some electronics in it ? >> I can tell you now that I feel a stinging sensation in my face when >> I am >> near a fully charged car battery, I put this down to what might be >> electrically charged acid molecules coming of the battery in close >> proximity to it. >> puk >> >> >> In a message dated 06/10/2012 07:02:44 GMT Daylight Time, >> [hidden email] writes: >> >> The only difference between a new car battery and an old one that I >> can >> think of which might effect somebody sensitive to electromagnetic >> fields >> is this: If the new batter cranks the starter significantly faster >> than >> the old battery, that would cause a stronger field, but only while you >> are starting the engine. Once the engine is running, nothing would be >> different from the old battery. So we are talking about POSSIBLY a >> slightly stronger electrical field for the few seconds that the >> starter >> is turning. I have no idea if that is enough to affect somebody when >> they weren't affected before by the same car, but it seems unlikely. >> >> Tom >> >> On 10/5/2012 10:03 PM, Tom wrote: >>> I have experience with batteries. A battery is a battery. If the new >>> battery was "vastly different" from the old battery it wouldn't be a >>> battery anymore, it would be something else, and it wouldn't start >> the >>> car. A battery is basically a container that has lead plates in an >> acid >>> solution that has electrical potential. By itself it just sits there >>> and does nothing. In a car it does nothing until you turn the key, >> and >>> then it supplies electrical current to the starter. That's all it >>> does. When the car is running the alternator (a part on the car >> engine) >>> supplies current to recharge the battery. This is the same in all >> cars >>> and with all batteries. Replacing a battery with a new one doesn't >>> change the way things work. The new battery does the exact same >> thing >>> as the old battery. If it did something different the car would >> not run. >>> Tom >>> >>> On 10/5/2012 8:03 PM, Elizabeth thode wrote: >>>> Esther, I believe you. Many essers notice a difference in >> symptoms when >> changing outsomething electronic. I don't know the tech info for the >> battery issue.But I do know, there has to be something about the new >> battery >> that is vastlydifferent then the old battery. Maybe someone else on >> here has >> experience with car batteries, or somethingsimiliar in nature. Lizzie >>>> To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >>>> From: _theunknowable@optonline.net_ >> (mailto:[hidden email]) >>>> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 18:40:35 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Help! New Car Battery >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Esther >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> A car battery is a very simple device, and all by itself does not >> put >>>> out any electromagnetic fields regardless of the cranking amps or >>>> >>>> lifetime rating. One car battery may last longer or have more >> cranking >>>> amps, but otherwise they are the same. So the new battery is >> unlikely >>>> to be causing your symptoms. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/5/2012 3:32 PM, gomma2 wrote: >>>> >>>>> I got a new battery for my 2000 Toyota Camry V6. It's a 6-year one >> that has 694 cold cranking amps. Then, when I drove my car, I >> immediately felt >> increased ES symptoms--ringing in my ears, pressure in my head, >> increased >> dizziness/brain-fog. The previous battery was a 3-year one but I >> don't know >> about it's cold cranking amps (or if in fact, the amps would have >> anything >> to do with it). However, I didn't have the reaction when I had the >> other >> battery, that I'm now having. >>>>> Is it likely the new battery would be causing me to have the >> increased >> symptoms? If so, is there something I can do to mitigate it? >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Esther >> -- >> Sent from my dishwasher. >> >> -- Sent from my dishwasher. |
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I am currently tracking down what changed in my car. One of the things that I am investigating is the grounding. All electronic parts of the car are grounded. So, did the mechanic change how/where the battery was grounded? I am also going to try switching out the alternator.
--- In [hidden email], Tom <theunknowable@...> wrote: > > I have experience with batteries. A battery is a battery. If the new > battery was "vastly different" from the old battery it wouldn't be a > battery anymore, it would be something else, and it wouldn't start the > car. A battery is basically a container that has lead plates in an acid > solution that has electrical potential. By itself it just sits there > and does nothing. In a car it does nothing until you turn the key, and > then it supplies electrical current to the starter. That's all it > does. When the car is running the alternator (a part on the car engine) > supplies current to recharge the battery. This is the same in all cars > and with all batteries. Replacing a battery with a new one doesn't > change the way things work. The new battery does the exact same thing > as the old battery. If it did something different the car would not run. > > Tom > > On 10/5/2012 8:03 PM, Elizabeth thode wrote: > > Esther, I believe you. Many essers notice a difference in symptoms when changing outsomething electronic. I don't know the tech info for the battery issue.But I do know, there has to be something about the new battery that is vastlydifferent then the old battery. Maybe someone else on here has experience with car batteries, or somethingsimiliar in nature. Lizzie > > To: [hidden email] > > From: theunknowable@... > > Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 18:40:35 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Help! New Car Battery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Esther > > > > > > > > A car battery is a very simple device, and all by itself does not put > > > > out any electromagnetic fields regardless of the cranking amps or > > > > lifetime rating. One car battery may last longer or have more cranking > > > > amps, but otherwise they are the same. So the new battery is unlikely > > > > to be causing your symptoms. > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > On 10/5/2012 3:32 PM, gomma2 wrote: > > > >> I got a new battery for my 2000 Toyota Camry V6. It's a 6-year one that has 694 cold cranking amps. Then, when I drove my car, I immediately felt increased ES symptoms--ringing in my ears, pressure in my head, increased dizziness/brain-fog. The previous battery was a 3-year one but I don't know about it's cold cranking amps (or if in fact, the amps would have anything to do with it). However, I didn't have the reaction when I had the other battery, that I'm now having. > >> Is it likely the new battery would be causing me to have the increased symptoms? If so, is there something I can do to mitigate it? > >> Thanks, > >> Esther > > > > > > > -- > Sent from my dishwasher. > |
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Hi Lizzie
See my recent reply the Esther. I think it's more likely something connected to the battery (alternator, regulator) rather than the battery itself. These parts normally put out EMF fields, a battery doesn't. And alternators/regulators also are faced with a different load with a new battery compared to an old battery, which possibly explains why there is suddenly a problem when there is a new battery. Tom On 10/5/2012 10:59 PM, Elizabeth thode wrote: > Esther, See if you can get another battery, like the one you had. Telephones are telephones too, Tom, but different brands can create different reactions. Blu Ray players brands can create different reactionsamong the ESsers. Answering machines have transformers....all look the same, right?Different reactions. Could also be a chemical outgass response. Could be the new battery,puts out more voltage. Something is causing the reaction. And with all due respect, Tom,the battery of course is doing what's it supposed to be doing.But it may be: a stronger, long life battery? Wouldn't this meanmore strenght? What would make the endurance longer?More power, maybe? As you're on this site, you are ES? Maybe you're one of the luckier ones?Who never replaced a simple piece of equiptment, and had a reaction? Lizzie > To: [hidden email] > From: [hidden email] > Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 22:03:37 -0400 > Subject: Re: [eSens] Help! New Car Battery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have experience with batteries. A battery is a battery. If the new > > battery was "vastly different" from the old battery it wouldn't be a > > battery anymore, it would be something else, and it wouldn't start the > > car. A battery is basically a container that has lead plates in an acid > > solution that has electrical potential. By itself it just sits there > > and does nothing. In a car it does nothing until you turn the key, and > > then it supplies electrical current to the starter. That's all it > > does. When the car is running the alternator (a part on the car engine) > > supplies current to recharge the battery. This is the same in all cars > > and with all batteries. Replacing a battery with a new one doesn't > > change the way things work. The new battery does the exact same thing > > as the old battery. If it did something different the car would not run. > > > > Tom > > > > On 10/5/2012 8:03 PM, Elizabeth thode wrote: > >> Esther, I believe you. Many essers notice a difference in symptoms when changing outsomething electronic. I don't know the tech info for the battery issue.But I do know, there has to be something about the new battery that is vastlydifferent then the old battery. Maybe someone else on here has experience with car batteries, or somethingsimiliar in nature. Lizzie >> To: [hidden email] >> From: [hidden email] >> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 18:40:35 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [eSens] Help! New Car Battery >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Esther >> A car battery is a very simple device, and all by itself does not put >> out any electromagnetic fields regardless of the cranking amps or >> lifetime rating. One car battery may last longer or have more cranking >> amps, but otherwise they are the same. So the new battery is unlikely >> to be causing your symptoms. >> Tom >> On 10/5/2012 3:32 PM, gomma2 wrote: >>> I got a new battery for my 2000 Toyota Camry V6. It's a 6-year one that has 694 cold cranking amps. Then, when I drove my car, I immediately felt increased ES symptoms--ringing in my ears, pressure in my head, increased dizziness/brain-fog. The previous battery was a 3-year one but I don't know about it's cold cranking amps (or if in fact, the amps would have anything to do with it). However, I didn't have the reaction when I had the other battery, that I'm now having. >>> Is it likely the new battery would be causing me to have the increased symptoms? If so, is there something I can do to mitigate it? >>> Thanks, >>> Esther > > -- Sent from my dishwasher. |
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You example of an AC outlet is a good one. But think about this: If
you have EMF (dirty electricity) problems at your AC outlet it is not caused by the outlet itself. You can buy a replacement outlet at the hardware store for a couple of bucks and replace it, and that will not solve your problem. The problem is not the outlet itself, the problem is something connected to the outlet, either locally or at the power station. Same thing with a car battery. I think the problem is most likely some other component connected to the charging circuit in the car. Tom On 10/6/2012 11:11 AM, snoshoe_2 wrote: > I feel a difference between different types of batteries, and > I really don't like the lithium ones, and try getting a button > one for your pc that isn't anymore. > > Perhaps you have a different type of battery in car, dry vs. wet cell, gel, etc. than you did. > Even if it's the same brand and type, they may have altered their "recipe", which would change the feel, or it could have some > impurities in it that cause it to feel different to you. > > Like an AC outlet, they're supposedly all the same, and you get a bad one, that you can feel, or doesn't function properly, and nothing seems to be wrong with it, but it obviously has something not quite right in it. > > Can you have your battery switched to a different one to try? > > ~ Snoshoe > > --- In [hidden email], Esther LeSieur <gomma@...> wrote: >> Thanks for all the replies! >> >> I noticed something else after the battery was installed (which may >> have been my imagination), but the car seemed to be "zippier"--have >> more power. This makes no sense, since the battery isn't running the >> car. >> >> The guy who installed it asked me if I were having problems with the >> alternator. I replied that I didn't think so, but how would I know? I >> should have asked him. Now I'm wondering.... >> >> I just now read an article on how alternators work. They convert AC >> power from the engine into DC power to charge the battery. They >> generate power through magnetism. Maybe something is wrong w/ the >> alternator that's causing an increased EMF field, and it wasn't >> apparent until the new battery was installed? >> >> I also found this info. "A car battery works by producing an >> electrical charge via a chemical reaction inside the battery, which is >> then sent through wires to power the starter, the lights, radio, and >> any other electrical components. As well as working to power the >> electrical components of the car, the battery also works as an >> electrical equalizer, absorbing any dangerous voltage and protecting >> the cars electrical system from being damaged by any power spikes." >> I'm not sure what it means when it says it's an electrical equalizer. >> >> Guess I have more sleuthing to do, to see if I can figure out what >> changed to increase my ES reaction in the car.... Any more thoughts >> from the group are more than welcome. >> >> Esther >> >> >> >> On Oct 6, 2012, at 2:13 AM, paulpjc@... wrote: >> >>> is there any chance that this new battery has some electronics in it ? >>> I can tell you now that I feel a stinging sensation in my face when >>> I am >>> near a fully charged car battery, I put this down to what might be >>> electrically charged acid molecules coming of the battery in close >>> proximity to it. >>> puk >>> >>> -- Sent from my dishwasher. |
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On October 6, Tom <[hidden email]> wrote:
> You example of an AC outlet is a good one. But think about this: If > you have EMF (dirty electricity) problems at your AC outlet it is not > caused by the outlet itself. You can buy a replacement outlet at the > hardware store for a couple of bucks and replace it, and that will not > solve your problem. Not true -- noise can be generated at the outlet, and replacing it will solve the problem. I encountered this once, and replacing the outlet improved the meter readings (Stetzer) and my own symptoms. Outlets can generate noise through loose electrical contacts, and perhaps other things... Marc |
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Marc, you are right about that.
On 10/6/2012 11:54 AM, Marc Martin wrote: > On October 6, Tom <[hidden email]> wrote: >> You example of an AC outlet is a good one. But think about this: If >> you have EMF (dirty electricity) problems at your AC outlet it is not >> caused by the outlet itself. You can buy a replacement outlet at the >> hardware store for a couple of bucks and replace it, and that will not >> solve your problem. > Not true -- noise can be generated at the outlet, and replacing it will > solve the problem. I encountered this once, and replacing the outlet > improved the meter readings (Stetzer) and my own symptoms. > > Outlets can generate noise through loose electrical contacts, and > perhaps other things... > > Marc > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2677 / Virus Database: 2591/5812 - Release Date: 10/05/12 > > -- Sent from my dishwasher. |
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Tom wrote:
> I think it's more likely something > connected to the battery (alternator, regulator) rather than the battery > itself. These parts normally put out EMF fields, a battery doesn't. > On this I must disagree. If I wave a gauss meter over a lead-acid battery, it picks up the static DC magnetic field. If I sit down in an automotive repair shop, next to a stack of batteries, Oh boy! I feel it. Bad vibes. I don't like being near batteries. When the battery is being charged or discharged, then there is an obvious movement of electrons, and larger magnetic field. So the battery Does put out EMF, just not the RF kind associated with computer/electronics and microwaves. But still an Electro Magnetic Field. For the car problem, I at first agreed with Tom. A lead-acid battery is a lead-acid battery. Just changing out a battery should have no significant change. But, Perhaps the old one was working the alternator differently, sure. I would check all cables for good clean contacts, and measure the alternator and battery to measure the size and strength of their fields, as it would make a good comparison to a replacement alternator, which may be better, and may be worse. Can you tell if the thick cable from the alternator to the battery, goes past the dashboard? or direct, and nowhere near the driver? That is the usual reason an older non-electric and non-electronics vehicle is intolerable to the Electrically Sensitive. Proximity to "hot" cables. Of course, the motor itself and transmission could be magnetized, that is the other usual cause. Other than that, I don't really have any quick answers, else I would've said something sooner. Stewart -- http://seahorseCorral.org |
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i think you've got it there tom
puk In a message dated 06/10/2012 16:27:28 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: Hi Esther The battery does, in fact, affect the operation of the alternator. An old batter near the end of its life tends to deplete easier, and tends to make the alternator work harder to charge it. If the battery is very depleted it may cause the alternator work so hard that it overheats and/or burns out completely. That may be why the mechanic asked about the alternator. On the other hand, if the alternator is not functioning well, it can make it seem like you need a new battery, when in fact you need a new alternator. If your alternator is OK, then changing the old battery for a new one should cause the alternator to work less hard, because a new battery is easier to charge. There definitely is a difference in the way the alternator works with a fresh new battery compared to with an old battery. I think it's possible that because of age and wear and tear your alternator or some other part of the charging circuit such as the regulator may be near the end of its life and emitting a stronger EMF than normal. It would be great if you had a mechanic who could measure these fields and compare your car to a similar car. The problem you have is that you can have the alternator and regulator replaced to see if that helps, but there is no way to know until you spend the money. Tom On 10/6/2012 6:39 AM, Esther LeSieur wrote: > Thanks for all the replies! > > I noticed something else after the battery was installed (which may > have been my imagination), but the car seemed to be "zippier"--have > more power. This makes no sense, since the battery isn't running the > car. > > The guy who installed it asked me if I were having problems with the > alternator. I replied that I didn't think so, but how would I know? I > should have asked him. Now I'm wondering.... > > I just now read an article on how alternators work. They convert AC > power from the engine into DC power to charge the battery. They > generate power through magnetism. Maybe something is wrong w/ the > alternator that's causing an increased EMF field, and it wasn't > apparent until the new battery was installed? > > I also found this info. "A car battery works by producing an > electrical charge via a chemical reaction inside the battery, which is > then sent through wires to power the starter, the lights, radio, and > any other electrical components. As well as working to power the > electrical components of the car, the battery also works as an > electrical equalizer, absorbing any dangerous voltage and protecting > the cars electrical system from being damaged by any power spikes." > I'm not sure what it means when it says it's an electrical equalizer. > > Guess I have more sleuthing to do, to see if I can figure out what > changed to increase my ES reaction in the car.... Any more thoughts > from the group are more than welcome. > > Esther > > > > > > On Oct 6, 2012, at 2:13 AM, _paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > >> is there any chance that this new battery has some electronics in it ? >> I can tell you now that I feel a stinging sensation in my face when >> I am >> near a fully charged car battery, I put this down to what might be >> electrically charged acid molecules coming of the battery in close >> proximity to it. >> puk >> >> >> In a message dated 06/10/2012 07:02:44 GMT Daylight Time, >> _theunknowable@optonline.net_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >> >> The only difference between a new car battery and an old one that I >> can >> think of which might effect somebody sensitive to electromagnetic >> fields >> is this: If the new batter cranks the starter significantly faster >> than >> the old battery, that would cause a stronger field, but only while you >> are starting the engine. Once the engine is running, nothing would be >> different from the old battery. So we are talking about POSSIBLY a >> slightly stronger electrical field for the few seconds that the >> starter >> is turning. I have no idea if that is enough to affect somebody when >> they weren't affected before by the same car, but it seems unlikely. >> >> Tom >> >> On 10/5/2012 10:03 PM, Tom wrote: >>> I have experience with batteries. A battery is a battery. If the new >>> battery was "vastly different" from the old battery it wouldn't be a >>> battery anymore, it would be something else, and it wouldn't start >> the >>> car. A battery is basically a container that has lead plates in an >> acid >>> solution that has electrical potential. By itself it just sits there >>> and does nothing. In a car it does nothing until you turn the key, >> and >>> then it supplies electrical current to the starter. That's all it >>> does. When the car is running the alternator (a part on the car >> engine) >>> supplies current to recharge the battery. This is the same in all >> cars >>> and with all batteries. Replacing a battery with a new one doesn't >>> change the way things work. The new battery does the exact same >> thing >>> as the old battery. If it did something different the car would >> not run. >>> Tom >>> >>> On 10/5/2012 8:03 PM, Elizabeth thode wrote: >>>> Esther, I believe you. Many essers notice a difference in >> symptoms when >> changing outsomething electronic. I don't know the tech info for the >> battery issue.But I do know, there has to be something about the new >> battery >> that is vastlydifferent then the old battery. Maybe someone else on >> here has >> experience with car batteries, or somethingsimiliar in nature. Lizzie >>>> To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ >>>> From: __theunknowable@optonline.net_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ >> (mailto:_theunknowable@optonline.net_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) >>>> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 18:40:35 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Help! New Car Battery >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Esther >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> A car battery is a very simple device, and all by itself does not >> put >>>> out any electromagnetic fields regardless of the cranking amps or >>>> >>>> lifetime rating. One car battery may last longer or have more >> cranking >>>> amps, but otherwise they are the same. So the new battery is >> unlikely >>>> to be causing your symptoms. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/5/2012 3:32 PM, gomma2 wrote: >>>> >>>>> I got a new battery for my 2000 Toyota Camry V6. It's a 6-year one >> that has 694 cold cranking amps. Then, when I drove my car, I >> immediately felt >> increased ES symptoms--ringing in my ears, pressure in my head, >> increased >> dizziness/brain-fog. The previous battery was a 3-year one but I >> don't know >> about it's cold cranking amps (or if in fact, the amps would have >> anything >> to do with it). However, I didn't have the reaction when I had the >> other >> battery, that I'm now having. >>>>> Is it likely the new battery would be causing me to have the >> increased >> symptoms? If so, is there something I can do to mitigate it? >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Esther >> -- >> Sent from my dishwasher. >> >> -- Sent from my dishwasher. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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This could be explained like this: if the old battery made the alternator
work all the time, then the regulator might have let the current flow and not cut in with PWM pulsing. I've never observed this with car regulators but it seems possible. In that case driving with the lights on might make things better for you (typically it makes things worse, because of more current). Conceivably replacing the regulator or capacitor would help, or finding someone who can add in some extra capacitors (large and small in parallel) at the regulator. New regulators are often worse though, because they work at higher frequencies than the originals. A used alternator might help if yours has been replaced. Of course a simpler explanation would be a bad battery connection, but if the car seems zippier the complex scenario may be right. Bill On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:46 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > ** > > > i think you've got it there tom > > puk > > > In a message dated 06/10/2012 16:27:28 GMT Daylight Time, > [hidden email] writes: > > Hi Esther > > The battery does, in fact, affect the operation of the alternator. An > old batter near the end of its life tends to deplete easier, and tends > to make the alternator work harder to charge it. If the battery is very > depleted it may cause the alternator work so hard that it overheats > and/or burns out completely. That may be why the mechanic asked about > the alternator. On the other hand, if the alternator is not functioning > well, it can make it seem like you need a new battery, when in fact you > need a new alternator. > > If your alternator is OK, then changing the old battery for a new one > should cause the alternator to work less hard, because a new battery is > easier to charge. There definitely is a difference in the way the > alternator works with a fresh new battery compared to with an old > battery. I think it's possible that because of age and wear and tear > your alternator or some other part of the charging circuit such as the > regulator may be near the end of its life and emitting a stronger EMF > than normal. It would be great if you had a mechanic who could measure > these fields and compare your car to a similar car. The problem you > have is that you can have the alternator and regulator replaced to see > if that helps, but there is no way to know until you spend the money. > > Tom > > On 10/6/2012 6:39 AM, Esther LeSieur wrote: > > Thanks for all the replies! > > > > I noticed something else after the battery was installed (which may > > have been my imagination), but the car seemed to be "zippier"--have > > more power. This makes no sense, since the battery isn't running the > > car. > > > > The guy who installed it asked me if I were having problems with the > > alternator. I replied that I didn't think so, but how would I know? I > > should have asked him. Now I'm wondering.... > > > > I just now read an article on how alternators work. They convert AC > > power from the engine into DC power to charge the battery. They > > generate power through magnetism. Maybe something is wrong w/ the > > alternator that's causing an increased EMF field, and it wasn't > > apparent until the new battery was installed? > > > > I also found this info. "A car battery works by producing an > > electrical charge via a chemical reaction inside the battery, which is > > then sent through wires to power the starter, the lights, radio, and > > any other electrical components. As well as working to power the > > electrical components of the car, the battery also works as an > > electrical equalizer, absorbing any dangerous voltage and protecting > > the cars electrical system from being damaged by any power spikes." > > I'm not sure what it means when it says it's an electrical equalizer. > > > > Guess I have more sleuthing to do, to see if I can figure out what > > changed to increase my ES reaction in the car.... Any more thoughts > > from the group are more than welcome. > > > > Esther > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 6, 2012, at 2:13 AM, _paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > wrote: > > > >> is there any chance that this new battery has some electronics in it ? > >> I can tell you now that I feel a stinging sensation in my face when > >> I am > >> near a fully charged car battery, I put this down to what might be > >> electrically charged acid molecules coming of the battery in close > >> proximity to it. > >> puk > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 06/10/2012 07:02:44 GMT Daylight Time, > >> _theunknowable@optonline.net_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > writes: > >> > >> The only difference between a new car battery and an old one that I > >> can > >> think of which might effect somebody sensitive to electromagnetic > >> fields > >> is this: If the new batter cranks the starter significantly faster > >> than > >> the old battery, that would cause a stronger field, but only while you > >> are starting the engine. Once the engine is running, nothing would be > >> different from the old battery. So we are talking about POSSIBLY a > >> slightly stronger electrical field for the few seconds that the > >> starter > >> is turning. I have no idea if that is enough to affect somebody when > >> they weren't affected before by the same car, but it seems unlikely. > >> > >> Tom > >> > >> On 10/5/2012 10:03 PM, Tom wrote: > >>> I have experience with batteries. A battery is a battery. If the new > >>> battery was "vastly different" from the old battery it wouldn't be a > >>> battery anymore, it would be something else, and it wouldn't start > >> the > >>> car. A battery is basically a container that has lead plates in an > >> acid > >>> solution that has electrical potential. By itself it just sits there > >>> and does nothing. In a car it does nothing until you turn the key, > >> and > >>> then it supplies electrical current to the starter. That's all it > >>> does. When the car is running the alternator (a part on the car > >> engine) > >>> supplies current to recharge the battery. This is the same in all > >> cars > >>> and with all batteries. Replacing a battery with a new one doesn't > >>> change the way things work. The new battery does the exact same > >> thing > >>> as the old battery. If it did something different the car would > >> not run. > >>> Tom > >>> > >>> On 10/5/2012 8:03 PM, Elizabeth thode wrote: > >>>> Esther, I believe you. Many essers notice a difference in > >> symptoms when > >> changing outsomething electronic. I don't know the tech info for the > >> battery issue.But I do know, there has to be something about the new > >> battery > >> that is vastlydifferent then the old battery. Maybe someone else on > >> here has > >> experience with car batteries, or somethingsimiliar in nature. Lizzie > >>>> To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ > (mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) > >>>> From: __theunknowable@optonline.net_ > (mailto:[hidden email]) _ > >> (mailto:_theunknowable@optonline.net_ > (mailto:[hidden email]) ) > > >>>> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 18:40:35 -0400 > >>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Help! New Car Battery > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi Esther > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> A car battery is a very simple device, and all by itself does not > >> put > >>>> out any electromagnetic fields regardless of the cranking amps or > >>>> > >>>> lifetime rating. One car battery may last longer or have more > >> cranking > >>>> amps, but otherwise they are the same. So the new battery is > >> unlikely > >>>> to be causing your symptoms. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Tom > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 10/5/2012 3:32 PM, gomma2 wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I got a new battery for my 2000 Toyota Camry V6. It's a 6-year one > >> that has 694 cold cranking amps. Then, when I drove my car, I > >> immediately felt > >> increased ES symptoms--ringing in my ears, pressure in my head, > >> increased > >> dizziness/brain-fog. The previous battery was a 3-year one but I > >> don't know > >> about it's cold cranking amps (or if in fact, the amps would have > >> anything > >> to do with it). However, I didn't have the reaction when I had the > >> other > >> battery, that I'm now having. > >>>>> Is it likely the new battery would be causing me to have the > >> increased > >> symptoms? If so, is there something I can do to mitigate it? > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> Esther > >> -- > >> Sent from my dishwasher. > >> > >> > > -- > Sent from my dishwasher. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [hidden email] [hidden email] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
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also the coils may be firing harder ?
puk In a message dated 07/10/2012 23:41:41 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: This could be explained like this: if the old battery made the alternator work all the time, then the regulator might have let the current flow and not cut in with PWM pulsing. I've never observed this with car regulators but it seems possible. In that case driving with the lights on might make things better for you (typically it makes things worse, because of more current). Conceivably replacing the regulator or capacitor would help, or finding someone who can add in some extra capacitors (large and small in parallel) at the regulator. New regulators are often worse though, because they work at higher frequencies than the originals. A used alternator might help if yours has been replaced. Of course a simpler explanation would be a bad battery connection, but if the car seems zippier the complex scenario may be right. Bill On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:46 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > ** > > > i think you've got it there tom > > puk > > > In a message dated 06/10/2012 16:27:28 GMT Daylight Time, > [hidden email] writes: > > Hi Esther > > The battery does, in fact, affect the operation of the alternator. An > old batter near the end of its life tends to deplete easier, and tends > to make the alternator work harder to charge it. If the battery is very > depleted it may cause the alternator work so hard that it overheats > and/or burns out completely. That may be why the mechanic asked about > the alternator. On the other hand, if the alternator is not functioning > well, it can make it seem like you need a new battery, when in fact you > need a new alternator. > > If your alternator is OK, then changing the old battery for a new one > should cause the alternator to work less hard, because a new battery is > easier to charge. There definitely is a difference in the way the > alternator works with a fresh new battery compared to with an old > battery. I think it's possible that because of age and wear and tear > your alternator or some other part of the charging circuit such as the > regulator may be near the end of its life and emitting a stronger EMF > than normal. It would be great if you had a mechanic who could measure > these fields and compare your car to a similar car. The problem you > have is that you can have the alternator and regulator replaced to see > if that helps, but there is no way to know until you spend the money. > > Tom > > On 10/6/2012 6:39 AM, Esther LeSieur wrote: > > Thanks for all the replies! > > > > I noticed something else after the battery was installed (which may > > have been my imagination), but the car seemed to be "zippier"--have > > more power. This makes no sense, since the battery isn't running the > > car. > > > > The guy who installed it asked me if I were having problems with the > > alternator. I replied that I didn't think so, but how would I know? I > > should have asked him. Now I'm wondering.... > > > > I just now read an article on how alternators work. They convert AC > > power from the engine into DC power to charge the battery. They > > generate power through magnetism. Maybe something is wrong w/ the > > alternator that's causing an increased EMF field, and it wasn't > > apparent until the new battery was installed? > > > > I also found this info. "A car battery works by producing an > > electrical charge via a chemical reaction inside the battery, which is > > then sent through wires to power the starter, the lights, radio, and > > any other electrical components. As well as working to power the > > electrical components of the car, the battery also works as an > > electrical equalizer, absorbing any dangerous voltage and protecting > > the cars electrical system from being damaged by any power spikes." > > I'm not sure what it means when it says it's an electrical equalizer. > > > > Guess I have more sleuthing to do, to see if I can figure out what > > changed to increase my ES reaction in the car.... Any more thoughts > > from the group are more than welcome. > > > > Esther > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 6, 2012, at 2:13 AM, _paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > wrote: > > > >> is there any chance that this new battery has some electronics in it ? > >> I can tell you now that I feel a stinging sensation in my face when > >> I am > >> near a fully charged car battery, I put this down to what might be > >> electrically charged acid molecules coming of the battery in close > >> proximity to it. > >> puk > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 06/10/2012 07:02:44 GMT Daylight Time, > >> _theunknowable@optonline.net_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > writes: > >> > >> The only difference between a new car battery and an old one that I > >> can > >> think of which might effect somebody sensitive to electromagnetic > >> fields > >> is this: If the new batter cranks the starter significantly faster > >> than > >> the old battery, that would cause a stronger field, but only while you > >> are starting the engine. Once the engine is running, nothing would be > >> different from the old battery. So we are talking about POSSIBLY a > >> slightly stronger electrical field for the few seconds that the > >> starter > >> is turning. I have no idea if that is enough to affect somebody when > >> they weren't affected before by the same car, but it seems unlikely. > >> > >> Tom > >> > >> On 10/5/2012 10:03 PM, Tom wrote: > >>> I have experience with batteries. A battery is a battery. If the new > >>> battery was "vastly different" from the old battery it wouldn't be a > >>> battery anymore, it would be something else, and it wouldn't start > >> the > >>> car. A battery is basically a container that has lead plates in an > >> acid > >>> solution that has electrical potential. By itself it just sits there > >>> and does nothing. In a car it does nothing until you turn the key, > >> and > >>> then it supplies electrical current to the starter. That's all it > >>> does. When the car is running the alternator (a part on the car > >> engine) > >>> supplies current to recharge the battery. This is the same in all > >> cars > >>> and with all batteries. Replacing a battery with a new one doesn't > >>> change the way things work. The new battery does the exact same > >> thing > >>> as the old battery. If it did something different the car would > >> not run. > >>> Tom > >>> > >>> On 10/5/2012 8:03 PM, Elizabeth thode wrote: > >>>> Esther, I believe you. Many essers notice a difference in > >> symptoms when > >> changing outsomething electronic. I don't know the tech info for the > >> battery issue.But I do know, there has to be something about the new > >> battery > >> that is vastlydifferent then the old battery. Maybe someone else on > >> here has > >> experience with car batteries, or somethingsimiliar in nature. Lizzie > >>>> To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ > (mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) > >>>> From: __theunknowable@optonline.net_ > (mailto:[hidden email]) _ > >> (mailto:_theunknowable@optonline.net_ > (mailto:[hidden email]) ) > > >>>> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 18:40:35 -0400 > >>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Help! New Car Battery > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi Esther > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> A car battery is a very simple device, and all by itself does not > >> put > >>>> out any electromagnetic fields regardless of the cranking amps or > >>>> > >>>> lifetime rating. One car battery may last longer or have more > >> cranking > >>>> amps, but otherwise they are the same. So the new battery is > >> unlikely > >>>> to be causing your symptoms. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Tom > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 10/5/2012 3:32 PM, gomma2 wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I got a new battery for my 2000 Toyota Camry V6. It's a 6-year one > >> that has 694 cold cranking amps. Then, when I drove my car, I > >> immediately felt > >> increased ES symptoms--ringing in my ears, pressure in my head, > >> increased > >> dizziness/brain-fog. The previous battery was a 3-year one but I > >> don't know > >> about it's cold cranking amps (or if in fact, the amps would have > >> anything > >> to do with it). However, I didn't have the reaction when I had the > >> other > >> battery, that I'm now having. > >>>>> Is it likely the new battery would be causing me to have the > >> increased > >> symptoms? If so, is there something I can do to mitigate it? > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> Esther > >> -- > >> Sent from my dishwasher. > >> > >> > > -- > Sent from my dishwasher. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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The car has automatic daytime running lights. Since I wasn't having
the problem before I got the new battery, does this mean I can eliminate the regulator as a possible source of the problem? When I first used the car after the battery installation, it was daytime so I didn't turn the lights on myself, but did get the increased ES symptoms. How would I know if I had a bad battery connection? I went out to look at it today; nothing looked "loose" but I doubt I'd know if something were amiss, since I hadn't seen how it was hooked up previously. I did start up the car and it worked, though I didn't drive it. It's been sitting for four days--I've been feeling too ill to go anywhere.. BTW, everybody, thanks for all your detailed and thoughtful information! It helps tremendously to learn how the various components work and possible places the problem might be coming from. Esther On Oct 8, 2012, at 7:21 AM, [hidden email] wrote: > also the coils may be firing harder ? > > puk > > > In a message dated 07/10/2012 23:41:41 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] > writes: > > This could be explained like this: if the old battery made the > alternator > work all the time, then the regulator might have let the current > flow and > not cut in with PWM pulsing. I've never observed this with car > regulators > but it seems possible. In that case driving with the lights on might > make > things better for you (typically it makes things worse, because of > more > current). Conceivably replacing the regulator or capacitor would > help, or > finding someone who can add in some extra capacitors (large and > small in > parallel) at the regulator. New regulators are often worse though, > because > they work at higher frequencies than the originals. A used alternator > might help if yours has been replaced. Of course a simpler explanation > would be a bad battery connection, but if the car seems zippier the > complex > scenario may be right. > Bill > > On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:46 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > i think you've got it there tom > > > > puk > > > > > > In a message dated 06/10/2012 16:27:28 GMT Daylight Time, > > [hidden email] writes: > > > > Hi Esther > > > > The battery does, in fact, affect the operation of the alternator. > An > > old batter near the end of its life tends to deplete easier, and > tends > > to make the alternator work harder to charge it. If the battery is > very > > depleted it may cause the alternator work so hard that it overheats > > and/or burns out completely. That may be why the mechanic asked > about > > the alternator. On the other hand, if the alternator is not > functioning > > well, it can make it seem like you need a new battery, when in > fact you > > need a new alternator. > > > > If your alternator is OK, then changing the old battery for a new > one > > should cause the alternator to work less hard, because a new > battery is > > easier to charge. There definitely is a difference in the way the > > alternator works with a fresh new battery compared to with an old > > battery. I think it's possible that because of age and wear and tear > > your alternator or some other part of the charging circuit such as > the > > regulator may be near the end of its life and emitting a stronger > EMF > > than normal. It would be great if you had a mechanic who could > measure > > these fields and compare your car to a similar car. The problem you > > have is that you can have the alternator and regulator replaced to > see > > if that helps, but there is no way to know until you spend the > money. > > > > Tom > > > > On 10/6/2012 6:39 AM, Esther LeSieur wrote: > > > Thanks for all the replies! > > > > > > I noticed something else after the battery was installed (which > may > > > have been my imagination), but the car seemed to be "zippier"-- > have > > > more power. This makes no sense, since the battery isn't running > the > > > car. > > > > > > The guy who installed it asked me if I were having problems with > the > > > alternator. I replied that I didn't think so, but how would I > know? I > > > should have asked him. Now I'm wondering.... > > > > > > I just now read an article on how alternators work. They convert > AC > > > power from the engine into DC power to charge the battery. They > > > generate power through magnetism. Maybe something is wrong w/ the > > > alternator that's causing an increased EMF field, and it wasn't > > > apparent until the new battery was installed? > > > > > > I also found this info. "A car battery works by producing an > > > electrical charge via a chemical reaction inside the battery, > which is > > > then sent through wires to power the starter, the lights, radio, > and > > > any other electrical components. As well as working to power the > > > electrical components of the car, the battery also works as an > > > electrical equalizer, absorbing any dangerous voltage and > protecting > > > the cars electrical system from being damaged by any power > spikes." > > > I'm not sure what it means when it says it's an electrical > equalizer. > > > > > > Guess I have more sleuthing to do, to see if I can figure out what > > > changed to increase my ES reaction in the car.... Any more > thoughts > > > from the group are more than welcome. > > > > > > Esther > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 6, 2012, at 2:13 AM, _paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email] > ) > > wrote: > > > > > >> is there any chance that this new battery has some electronics > in it ? > > >> I can tell you now that I feel a stinging sensation in my face > when > > >> I am > > >> near a fully charged car battery, I put this down to what might > be > > >> electrically charged acid molecules coming of the battery in > close > > >> proximity to it. > > >> puk > > >> > > >> > > >> In a message dated 06/10/2012 07:02:44 GMT Daylight Time, > > >> _theunknowable@optonline.net_ > (mailto:[hidden email]) > > writes: > > >> > > >> The only difference between a new car battery and an old one > that I > > >> can > > >> think of which might effect somebody sensitive to electromagnetic > > >> fields > > >> is this: If the new batter cranks the starter significantly > faster > > >> than > > >> the old battery, that would cause a stronger field, but only > while you > > >> are starting the engine. Once the engine is running, nothing > would be > > >> different from the old battery. So we are talking about > POSSIBLY a > > >> slightly stronger electrical field for the few seconds that the > > >> starter > > >> is turning. I have no idea if that is enough to affect somebody > when > > >> they weren't affected before by the same car, but it seems > unlikely. > > >> > > >> Tom > > >> > > >> On 10/5/2012 10:03 PM, Tom wrote: > > >>> I have experience with batteries. A battery is a battery. If > the new > > >>> battery was "vastly different" from the old battery it > wouldn't be a > > >>> battery anymore, it would be something else, and it wouldn't > start > > >> the > > >>> car. A battery is basically a container that has lead plates > in an > > >> acid > > >>> solution that has electrical potential. By itself it just sits > there > > >>> and does nothing. In a car it does nothing until you turn the > key, > > >> and > > >>> then it supplies electrical current to the starter. That's all > it > > >>> does. When the car is running the alternator (a part on the car > > >> engine) > > >>> supplies current to recharge the battery. This is the same in > all > > >> cars > > >>> and with all batteries. Replacing a battery with a new one > doesn't > > >>> change the way things work. The new battery does the exact same > > >> thing > > >>> as the old battery. If it did something different the car would > > >> not run. > > >>> Tom > > >>> > > >>> On 10/5/2012 8:03 PM, Elizabeth thode wrote: > > >>>> Esther, I believe you. Many essers notice a difference in > > >> symptoms when > > >> changing outsomething electronic. I don't know the tech info > for the > > >> battery issue.But I do know, there has to be something about > the new > > >> battery > > >> that is vastlydifferent then the old battery. Maybe someone > else on > > >> here has > > >> experience with car batteries, or somethingsimiliar in nature. > Lizzie > > >>>> To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ > > (mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) > > >>>> From: __theunknowable@optonline.net_ > > (mailto:[hidden email]) _ > > >> (mailto:_theunknowable@optonline.net_ > > (mailto:[hidden email]) ) > > > > >>>> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 18:40:35 -0400 > > >>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Help! New Car Battery > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Hi Esther > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> A car battery is a very simple device, and all by itself does > not > > >> put > > >>>> out any electromagnetic fields regardless of the cranking > amps or > > >>>> > > >>>> lifetime rating. One car battery may last longer or have more > > >> cranking > > >>>> amps, but otherwise they are the same. So the new battery is > > >> unlikely > > >>>> to be causing your symptoms. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Tom > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On 10/5/2012 3:32 PM, gomma2 wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> I got a new battery for my 2000 Toyota Camry V6. It's a 6- > year one > > >> that has 694 cold cranking amps. Then, when I drove my car, I > > >> immediately felt > > >> increased ES symptoms--ringing in my ears, pressure in my head, > > >> increased > > >> dizziness/brain-fog. The previous battery was a 3-year one but I > > >> don't know > > >> about it's cold cranking amps (or if in fact, the amps would have > > >> anything > > >> to do with it). However, I didn't have the reaction when I had > the > > >> other > > >> battery, that I'm now having. > > >>>>> Is it likely the new battery would be causing me to have the > > >> increased > > >> symptoms? If so, is there something I can do to mitigate it? > > >>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>> Esther > > >> -- > > >> Sent from my dishwasher. > > >> > > >> > > > > -- > > Sent from my dishwasher. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [hidden email] [hidden email] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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