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Hello everyone-an introduction

javamdnss
If you'd like, please introduce yourself to the group, possibly including
information about the degree of your sensitivity, when did it start, and what
you've tried that has and has not helped.

Hello, my name is Amy.

I had never heard of emf sensitivity or any other names it goes by. In late
1996 I started having symptoms of fibromyalgia and thryoid disease. When
looking at the symptoms of emf sensitivity just recently I noticed I have most,
and some coincide with fibro. For years I had no idea why I reacted so
strongly in some stores. It's only gotten worse over the years. In 2004 we moved to
Florida (getting ready to move again next month) and I kept telling my dh
that I didn't know what it was in the stores that caused me to be so exhausted
and feel like I could literally drop at any moment and never get up again. It
wasn't until late last year when a new SuperTarget opened up, and we went,
that a "light" when on inside and I started researching more. I hadn't been in
the SuperTarget five minutes when I went into a 'zoning' or what I like to
call a zombie state, unable to form a complete sentence, slurring my words,
saying nonsense words, having a horrible headache, instant stomach distress,
and so nauseous I had to sit down in an aisle. This is what had happened in
other stores, but not to that degree. So it wasn't until late 2007 I realized it
was fluorescent lighting that caused me to feel like death warmed over. In
addition, it was all the Christmas shopping on the computer that caused me to
wonder if it wasn't something more than just the lighting causing my
distress. And lately-it seems to be getting worse. For the last few months I've been
nauseous almost constantly, and when I sit down to one certain computer, I
feel it instantly. (even when I sit on the couch in the room that shares that
wall) I get tingly and numb, especially in my legs and in my chest area. In
addition, I can be totally exhausted from the day's activities, but when I
crawl into bed, I am suddenly awake, nervous, anxious and hyper. (does that
happen to anyone else?) I also feel sometimes like my body is literally melting
inside, I have a horrible metallic feeling in the my mouth that may last for
days, shaky, visual disturbances, overemotional crying jags, like I want to
rip my skin off, and so dang irritable! I get the red rashes and itching on my
face, ears, neck and chest also. Since I just started researching this emf
stuff, it's still hard for me to believe that things that millions of people
world wide use daily could cause these reactions in me. Especially when
everyone (including officials) say all these things are safe and harmless. Since it
hasn't been that long since I've realized this about emfs, I don't know yet
if cell phones, towers, wifi, etc...are making me crazy, besides the lights
and computer. I do know when I went to the mall yesterday-the first time since
Christmas-that I feel like crying again, and then the nauseousness and
feeling like I could drop and claw my skin off came on me again.
Thanks for reading my long introduction!
Amy



**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)


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Marc Martin
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> Christmas-that I feel like crying again, and then the nauseousness and
> feeling like I could drop and claw my skin off came on me again.
> Thanks for reading my long introduction!

Welcome to the group, Amy. I think you've found the right place, which
is a good start for becoming well again.

Do you have any metal on/in your body? Dental fillings? Eyeglasses?
Anything else? Generally it seems that excessive metals in the body
seems to cause these symptoms to be worse.

Do you feel any better if you chew on activated charcoal tablets?
Apple pectin tablets? This should bind onto some of the metals
in your saliva and digestive tract and might make you feel better.
(longterm heavy metal removal is very complicated, but this would
be a good start to see if it helps)

Marc

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PUK
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In a message dated 6/7/2008 3:49:59 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
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face, ears, neck and chest also. Since I just started researching this emf
stuff, it's still hard for me to believe that things that millions of people
world wide use daily could cause these reactions in me. Especially when
everyone (including officials) say all these things are safe and harmless.
Since it



Just a thought please make sure that you are not wearing a underwired bra
with metal inserts, these may be concentrating emf fields on and around your
torso. Also do a check on your telephone wires with an AM radio tuned out to
white noise say end of dial 1600khz and see if you are not getting to much
stray electropollution into your house this way (radiators, water pipes, walls
etc) you will notice a loud fax like tone if you are getting the unwanted.
Also you metion that to much XMAS shopping on the net, well at Xmas time dirty
power/electrosmog will be very high with all the xmas lighst and gadgest that
will be messing up the elec supply. All I can say to you is try to keep
calm, keep the peace, do not develop a persecution complex which is some
respects is almost inevitable with ES, learn to be philosophical this will keep you
sane, the knowledge that you will develop here will give you a certain edge
that you could use to your advantage as if you are on the ES road you will
need to make changes to your lifestyle on a constant an evolving basis - hey
heck - life's a journey to an ever moving destination ! god bless - Paul UK






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jaime_schunkewitz
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Welcome to the world of electrosensitivity.

If you have the $5-10 thousand dollars you can
see Dr. Rea at the Environental Health Center
in Dallas. Avoidance and finding a relatively
safe environment is essential. Also, you should
get a gauss, electric and RF meter so you
know what to avoid. You may be loaded with heavy
metals, have allergies, or suffer from neuro-
toxicity.

Very recently I discovered that Ultra Mega vitamins
from GNC flare up my tinnitus, in addition to EMF.
Eli

http://www.ahappyhabitat.com

--- In [hidden email], javamdnss@... wrote:
>
> If you'd like, please introduce yourself to the group, possibly
including
> information about the degree of your sensitivity, when did it
start, and what
> you've tried that has and has not helped.
>
> Hello, my name is Amy.
>  
> I had never heard of emf sensitivity or any other names it goes
by. In late
> 1996 I started having symptoms of fibromyalgia and thryoid
disease. When
> looking at the symptoms of emf sensitivity just recently I noticed
I have most,
> and some coincide with fibro. For years I had no idea why I
reacted so
> strongly in some stores. It's only gotten worse over the years. In
2004 we moved to
> Florida (getting ready to move again next month) and I kept
telling my dh
> that I didn't know what it was in the stores that caused me to be
so exhausted
> and feel like I could literally drop at any moment and never get
up again. It
> wasn't until late last year when a new SuperTarget opened up, and
we went,
> that a "light" when on inside and I started researching more. I
hadn't been in
> the SuperTarget five minutes when I went into a 'zoning' or what I
like to
> call a zombie state, unable to form a complete sentence, slurring
my words,
> saying nonsense words, having a horrible headache, instant stomach
distress,
> and so nauseous I had to sit down in an aisle. This is what had
happened in
> other stores, but not to that degree. So it wasn't until late 2007
I realized it
> was fluorescent lighting that caused me to feel like death warmed
over. In
> addition, it was all the Christmas shopping on the computer that
caused me to
> wonder if it wasn't something more than just the lighting causing
my
> distress. And lately-it seems to be getting worse. For the last
few months I've been
> nauseous almost constantly, and when I sit down to one certain
computer, I
> feel it instantly. (even when I sit on the couch in the room that
shares that
> wall) I get tingly and numb, especially in my legs and in my chest
area. In
> addition, I can be totally exhausted from the day's activities,
but when I
> crawl into bed, I am suddenly awake, nervous, anxious and hyper.
(does that
> happen to anyone else?) I also feel sometimes like my body is
literally melting
> inside, I have a horrible metallic feeling in the my mouth that
may last for
> days, shaky, visual disturbances, overemotional crying jags, like
I want to
> rip my skin off, and so dang irritable! I get the red rashes and
itching on my
> face, ears, neck and chest also. Since I just started researching
this emf
> stuff, it's still hard for me to believe that things that millions
of people
> world wide use daily could cause these reactions in me. Especially
when
> everyone (including officials) say all these things are safe and
harmless. Since it
> hasn't been that long since I've realized this about emfs, I don't
know yet
> if cell phones, towers, wifi, etc...are making me crazy, besides
the lights
> and computer. I do know when I went to the mall yesterday-the
first time since
> Christmas-that I feel like crying again, and then the nauseousness
and
> feeling like I could drop and claw my skin off came on me again.
> Thanks for reading my long introduction!
> Amy
>
>
>
> **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking
with
> Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.      
> (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?
&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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javamdnss
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[hidden email] writes:

Welcome to the group, Amy. I think you've found the right place, which
is a good start for becoming well again.

Do you have any metal on/in your body? Dental fillings? Eyeglasses?
Anything else? Generally it seems that excessive metals in the body
seems to cause these symptoms to be worse.

Do you feel any better if you chew on activated charcoal tablets?
Apple pectin tablets? This should bind onto some of the metals
in your saliva and digestive tract and might make you feel better.
(longterm heavy metal removal is very complicated, but this would
be a good start to see if it helps)

Marc



Thank you Marc~Yes, I have one metal filling, and yes, eyeglasses also. I
hadn't heard that eyeglasses might exacerbate symptoms, hmmmm. Also, I haven't
heard of apple pectin tablets or chewing on charcoal tablets. I think I have
some charcoal pills in the cabinet I bought awhile ago for daughter. Will the
pills help? If so, when d you chew on them or take them?
Thank you~
Amy



**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)


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javamdnss
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Thanks Paul. I'll do the radio experiment, especially in the most
concentrated rooms. How do most people live with this? I'm hoping you all don't say
move to the middle of nowhere is the best way to do it. Is there any way to
block all of this electromagnetic pollution in one's home without removing
everything? After 11 years of being sick, and finding out what seems to be the
culprit, I'm relieved, but scared. I have five children and we homeschool so we
spend a lot of time on the computers. I'm open to any suggestions and helps.
Thanks!
Amy

Just a thought please make sure that you are not wearing a underwired bra
with metal inserts, these may be concentrating emf fields on and around your

torso. Also do a check on your telephone wires with an AM radio tuned out to
white noise say end of dial 1600khz and see if you are not getting to much
stray electropollution into your house this way (radiators, water pipes,
walls
etc) you will notice a loud fax like tone if you are getting the unwanted.
Also you metion that to much XMAS shopping on the net, well at Xmas time
dirty
power/electrosmog will be very high with all the xmas lighst and gadgest
that
will be messing up the elec supply. All I can say to you is try to keep
calm, keep the peace, do not develop a persecution complex which is some
respects is almost inevitable with ES, learn to be philosophical this will
keep you
sane, the knowledge that you will develop here will give you a certain edge
that you could use to your advantage as if you are on the ES road you will
need to make changes to your lifestyle on a constant an evolving basis - hey
heck - life's a journey to an ever moving destination ! god bless - Paul UK







**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)


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javamdnss
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Where can I get a gauss, electric and rf meter? So...are you saying that if
I were to do some sort of detox with heavy metals I might not have these
problems anymore?
Thanks Jaime~
Amy

[hidden email] writes:

Welcome to the world of electrosensitivity.

If you have the $5-10 thousand dollars you can
see Dr. Rea at the Environental Health Center
in Dallas. Avoidance and finding a relatively
safe environment is essential. Also, you should
get a gauss, electric and RF meter so you
know what to avoid. You may be loaded with heavy
metals, have allergies, or suffer from neuro-
toxicity.

Very recently I discovered that Ultra Mega vitamins
from GNC flare up my tinnitus, in addition to EMF.
Eli







**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)


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Marc Martin
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> Where can I get a gauss, electric and rf meter? So...are you saying that
> if I were to do some sort of detox with heavy metals I might not have these
> problems anymore?

We certainly have had people here who have done a heavy metal detox and
then became symptom free. Doing a heavy metal detox is sometimes easier
said than done, however, as some of us are so hypersenstive that detox
is unpleasant and/or impossible without building up the body first
(quite often it is some sort of glandular weakness, such as adrenals,
thyroid, liver, etc.)

Marc

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Marc Martin
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> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 16:41:11 EDT, [hidden email] said:
> Thanks Paul. I'll do the radio experiment, especially in the most
> concentrated rooms. How do most people live with this? I'm hoping you all
> don't say move to the middle of nowhere is the best way to do it.

Some people do indeed choose to move to the middle of nowhere. However,
there are a LOT of things one can do so that they can simply stay put.
One of the simplest things is to reduce your exposure to common sources
of ES -- florescent lights, wi-fi networks, cellphones, wireless phones,
plasma TV sets, dimmer switches, etc. And where you sleep maximize
the distance to any electronics or power outlets.

There are also things you can do from a dietary / supplment standpoint,
but this will require some trial & error and preferably a health
practioner who knows what they are doing (your friends and family
members will probably label them as a "Quack", but at least you'll
know better).

And there is also a large market of EMF protection devices, which
sometimes work for people, and sometimes not. Again, with hypersentive
people, sometimes these devices can cause problems rather than prevent
them! But when they work, they can really be helpful in ways that
nothing else can.

Marc

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Marc Martin
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> Thank you Marc~Yes, I have one metal filling, and yes, eyeglasses also. I
> hadn't heard that eyeglasses might exacerbate symptoms, hmmmm.

One metal filling isn't too bad -- I had 20, once... now they've all
been replaced with composite (tooth colored) fillings. If you choose
to get that filling replaced, try going to a holistic dentist who
will minimize your exposure to the mercury vapors when it is being
removed.

> I think I have some charcoal pills in the cabinet I bought awhile ago for
> daughter. Will the pills help? If so, when d you chew on them or take them?

Yes, tablets, powder, or capsules might all help. You'll have to
experiment to see if they provide you any symptom relief, and
at what dosage. Generally I take them if I feel bad, as they
can provide quick relief if I chew them (binding onto toxins
in the saliva, and then into the digestive tract). The common
advice is to take some 30 minutes prior to eating, as then they
will bind to toxins in your bile from your liver/gallbladder.

If you've got a metallic taste in your mouth, see if putting
some into your mouth helps with that. Although with charcoal,
you may end up with blackened lips! :-)

Marc

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PUK
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In a message dated 6/8/2008 10:11:15 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Thanks Paul. I'll do the radio experiment, especially in the most
concentrated rooms. How do most people live with this? I'm hoping you all
don't say
move to the middle of nowhere is the best way to do it. Is there any way to
block all of this electromagnetic pollution in one's home without removing



Its all a bit hit and miss/complicated, you would be better off in a house
that has some good distance between your neighbours say 500m, and then
sheild/address electrical complications such as unwanted stray current/rf on the
utilities (AM radio good for this). Mitigation of all EMR is best route to get
to good health combined with good diet(ruling out personal allergens) and
cardio excersise on a regular basis to get the metabolism churning/mitochondria
burning. Think ALARA - as low as reasonably achievable. I think that the
adaptive immune system in ES persons is well honed, by reducing EMR it may calm
it down but we are talking a much longer time than the initial multiple
exposure that alarmed it in the first place.

P UK






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jaime_schunkewitz
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lessemf is as good as any to get meters. The Trifield
100XE is a reasonable start. You'll also need an RF meter.

You say your on computers often? That's probably the
primary culprit. Lay off as much as possible. Don't tell
us you use a cell phone and watch TV!

Detox will probably make you feel better. I've been
getting some results with a sauna every other day
with 200 mg Niacin. That and an organic diet.

There's no telling if the ES will go away completely,
even if you detox. But you may feel somewhat better and
somehow get by without moving to the desert.

Eli


--- In [hidden email], javamdnss@... wrote:
>
>  
> Where can I get a gauss, electric and rf meter? So...are you saying
that if  
> I were to do some sort of detox with heavy metals I might not have
these  

> problems anymore?
> Thanks Jaime~
> Amy
>  
> jaime_schunkewitz@... writes:
>
> Welcome to the world of electrosensitivity.
>
> If you have the $5-10 thousand dollars you can
> see Dr. Rea at the Environental Health Center
> in Dallas. Avoidance and finding a relatively
> safe environment is essential. Also, you should
> get a gauss, electric and RF meter so you
> know what to avoid. You may be loaded with heavy
> metals, have allergies, or suffer from neuro-
> toxicity.
>
> Very recently I discovered that Ultra Mega vitamins
> from GNC flare up my tinnitus, in addition to EMF.
> Eli
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking
with
> Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.      
> (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?
&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Stewart A.
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Hi Amy,

[hidden email] wrote:
> Thanks Paul. I'll do the radio experiment, especially in the most
> concentrated rooms. How do most people live with this? I'm hoping you all don't say
> move to the middle of nowhere is the best way to do it.

Avoidance is best. Whether or not you need to move, or just be helpful
to move, would depend on where you are now.
How concentrated or populated is your neighborhood,
suburb or rural,
multi-story apartment or one-story house,
proximity to power lines,
size of power lines,
proximity to wireless towers,
quantity of towers,
and if your house is wired properly.

Start with clearing your bedroom so you can sleep. Unplug everything at
first, and try turning off every circuit breaker (except the fridge and
freezer) for a night or two. Keep track of what helps.

Most of all, many here on this board have said our body's degree of
electrosensitivity is higher because of our state of health. Improve
your health and immune system, and the sensitivity will go down, as you
body becomes strong enough to counteract the harmful frequencies. No
standard medical doctor can help you here.
There seems to be disagreement on if electromagnetics are harmful for
healthy people.

Getting the right meter will definitely help you "see" what energy is in
the air, or being broadcast from your home wiring.
I would recommend a simple gauss meter, and a sensitive wireless meter
without breaking the budget.

http://www.lessemf.com/gauss.html#130
http://www.zapchecker.com
http://www.gigahertz-solutions.de/ for the HF35C
http://www.priggen.com/ for the Profi Spion

And I have moved to the middle of nowhere, and they keep putting up
towers around here too, but it is tolerable, compared to your
description of going to the mall. I recognize what you described.

> Is there any way to
> block all of this electromagnetic pollution in one's home without removing
> everything?

Yes, but sometimes shielding is less cost effective, and more
frustrating, than figuring out what equipment is loudest, and instead
getting quieter equipment, or keep your distance from it. I have found
an incredible difference in equipment, just changing the power supply,
motherboard, video card, can make a significant difference in emissions.
I recently had to downgrade my computer to a previous setup, because it
was affecting others in the family, but for me it was not bad enough to
reject that setup myself. Other boards and cards, I could not tolerate.
Definitely need to unplug all the wireless devices. Use a corded phone,
for example.

Good luck,
Stewart

--
Stewart's Corral -- http://seahorse.10gbfreehost.com

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evie15422
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Metalic taste can also be a zinc deficiency symptom, if my memory serves.


--- On Sun, 6/8/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
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To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 6:04 PM






> Thank you Marc~Yes, I have one metal filling, and yes, eyeglasses also. I
> hadn't heard that eyeglasses might exacerbate symptoms, hmmmm.

One metal filling isn't too bad -- I had 20, once... now they've all
been replaced with composite (tooth colored) fillings. If you choose
to get that filling replaced, try going to a holistic dentist who
will minimize your exposure to the mercury vapors when it is being
removed.

> I think I have some charcoal pills in the cabinet I bought awhile ago for
> daughter. Will the pills help? If so, when d you chew on them or take them?

Yes, tablets, powder, or capsules might all help. You'll have to
experiment to see if they provide you any symptom relief, and
at what dosage. Generally I take them if I feel bad, as they
can provide quick relief if I chew them (binding onto toxins
in the saliva, and then into the digestive tract). The common
advice is to take some 30 minutes prior to eating, as then they
will bind to toxins in your bile from your liver/gallbladder.

If you've got a metallic taste in your mouth, see if putting
some into your mouth helps with that. Although with charcoal,
you may end up with blackened lips! :-)

Marc

















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javamdnss
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[hidden email] writes:

Some people do indeed choose to move to the middle of nowhere. However,
there are a LOT of things one can do so that they can simply stay put.
One of the simplest things is to reduce your exposure to common sources
of ES -- florescent lights, wi-fi networks, cellphones, wireless phones,
plasma TV sets, dimmer switches, etc. And where you sleep maximize
the distance to any electronics or power outlets.




This may seem like a stupid question, but where is WIFI more dangerous?
Around the modem, or around the actual computer one is using off of wifi?
Also, why would fluorescents bother me more than anything else? I don't
understand that.
Thanks~
Amy



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Marc Martin
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> This may seem like a stupid question, but where is WIFI more dangerous?
> Around the modem, or around the actual computer one is using off of wifi?

I'm not sure, but I'd say your best option is to abandon using wi-fi,
and use an ethernet connection instead.

> Also, why would fluorescents bother me more than anything else? I don't
> understand that.

It's because you are more sensitive than they are! Fluorescent lights
emit a lot of radio-frequency noise, which you are less tolerant of than
others. Incandescent lights don't emit as much noise, to they are
more tolerable (generally speaking).

Marc

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javamdnss
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[hidden email] writes:

Incandescent lights don't emit as much noise, to they are
more tolerable (generally speaking).



Unfortunately, after doing some remodeling, I noticed even the incandescent
bother me now. I know the new light bulbs my dh put up in the new fixtures are
purple, but they're not fluorescent. It also seems to me that people with
senstivities to emfs somewhat mimic epilepsy symptoms.



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Marc Martin
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> I know the new light bulbs my dh put up in the new fixtures are
> purple, but they're not fluorescent.

Those sound like the so-called "full spectrum" incandescents (I
say so-called, because I don't think that they are really
full-spectrum, but rather have less yellow content). This
is what I use in my house. I'm not aware of anything that
would be any better. I guess you could have the house
checked to make sure it is wired properly (grounding
errors can contribute to increased fields), make sure
there are no dimmer switches (increases the RF noise),
use lower wattage bulbs, or leave them off! (not a
good option). Also look at EMF protection devices --
a few power conditioners from Quantum Products might
help (www.quantumproducts.com)

Marc