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Hi again, Lizzie,

Perhaps you are right about people in general thinking genetics limit healing. But, I think this is where people like you and me (and other open-minded thinkers) differ. We do not see boundaries set on our health due to genetics (or for any reason), nor should we. Yes, genetics play a part, but they do not tell the entire story.

Take celiac disease, for instance. It is a done deal that cd is genetic. However, how is it treated? Not by some dangerous surgery or by a dangerous drug. It is treated merely by the choice of foods you eat. Not all with cd want to give up their deliciously wicked cinnamon buns. However, if they ever really tried it, they'd find they like the alternatives much better. I hear cases and know cases personally of people with cd who do not go completely gf. That is their choice, but they know the risk. There is a difference between being truly naive and being resistant to truth. People who are resistant to truth don't need genetics to limit their thinking. Any little excuse will do.

I guess I do have a bias here, Lizzie. I was partially trained in pre-med (I had to drop out of uni my senior year due to health issues) and while I was in school, I was a lab-rat--learning the ropes on how to conduct research studies. I believe in research. Most research docs are truly looking for truth. [Research docs are an entirely different mind-set than medical docs.] I contribute my time in the lab as a large reason I have been able to retain an open-mind. I learned to do that during my training; this is research rule # 1! I agree that there are many researchers who are paid off or in it for their own nepherious reasons--and I also agree the AMA--medical doctors, as a whole-- are way off track. Often this has to do with their training, unfortunately, and that I also saw to a degree when I was in school. [Biased and narrow-mindedly hanging onto out-dated, out-moded information and facts and seeing chemicals as the
only relevant treatments were alot of it. Nowhere was this more true than in the areas of nutritional and psychological training that medical doctors received.]

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, Lizzie. Research is how we uncover ways to heal ourselves. Keep an open mind on that, too. I think you will soon see research which does us justice.

Diane

--- On Sun, 6/12/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
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Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 11:23 AM

You are so very welcome...just a reminder. All of us who retain the ability to "question" to "seek knowledge"....are living examples of victors- I prefer to use that phrase over just merely being survivors.
Leaky gut syndrome, yes, have friends with this. Probiotics are the best way to heal the gut. (*Mercola) and of course, avoidance.
As for me? I tend to question studies and anything that comes from mainstream medicine. Klinghardt's research is stellar! But he is not a mainstream parrot.
I think of all those such as: Mercola, Klinghardt, Blaylock, Sircus, Barry Durant-Peatsfield, and others...as all contributing "pieces" to the puzzle. (And I haven't even listed the ES contributors, and this includes various informational sources on house wiring which is paramount to healing ES, as I would bet that many ES ers either live, or have lived in badly WIRED houses.
This whole thing is like peeling away the layers of an onion, or peeling, stripping layers upon layers of old wallpaper.
Thru all of this, it is of vital importance to support the thyroid and adrenal glands. And anyone relying on thryoid blood tests needs to realize that they are putting their faith in the same system that sanctions: chemo, vaccines, fluoride in the water, silver fillings, prescription drugs that treat only the symptoms and more often then not, are toxic,....these are just a few examples of misplaced faith in a broken by design system. (*as in deliberately designed to not help...and in many cases, intentionally poison!)
And might i add the same system who deliberately decided to use the same frequency for cell phone as is the body!) These are not examples of incompetence/ nor are they coincidences!
ONe problem with the "gene" theory is that it tends to limit people's ability to even believe they CAN heal their bodies.
Take for example the true amount of people today who are Diabetic or borderline Diabetic. ARe we to believe that more then half of the population is genetically pre disposed to Diabetes?
It's the old argument: Genetics versus Environment. Which one has more power? Which one is more prevelant? Which one does the real evidence support? Take a piece of paper, draw a line down the middle. One column for clean environment. The other lists environmental, outside factors. This would include: badly wired houses, silver fillings, vaccines, pesticides, fake food, MSG, moldy crops, bad drinking water, cooking with teflon pans, microwved food, mothers who had a mouth full of mercury silver fillings, wireless technology in the house, and the list is endless. Which side do you think would fill the page?
Food for fodder.
Lizzie
P.S. All of us are truly enlightened intelluctual warriors who are steadfast in our determination to continue to slay the dragons. That MAKES US MAGNIFICENT PEOPLE!
We could have given up, stuck our heads back in the sand, played the denial till it killed us. BUT WE CHOSE NOT TO!

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Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:47:27 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Thanks for the flattery, Lizzie. ;)

I needed that on a day my brain has felt ready to go belly-up. lol I hope you are right. You should have known me when I actually did have brain cells! lol

I don't know whether anything has changed recently on the tight junction front as it pertains to genetics, but it used to be known [or at least widely publicised as tho it were known] that the MYD88 gene was what allowed tight junction permeability. There are also claudens genes involved. CLDN 5 and CLDN 8, I think, but I could be wrong as to the numbers--this was 3 years ago, at least, that I read it.

When they are talking about the BBB leaking or "opening up", what they mean is the tjs in that location, the BBB, are opening up. There are tjs thruout the body. [Okay, sorry; reading further you already knew that! ;) ] Celiac disease is known to open at least tjs in the small intestine, the BBB, the liver, heart, and lungs (that is to say, in susceptible people, gliaden--the gluten fraction which causes the damage in cd--opens up tjs in those places).

You will likely only read the genetics involved in this on very select sites. Maybe Dr Goldsworthy would make reference to it. I only read about this on research studies, themselves; however, I also knew beforehand that celiac disease is genetic, so it was an easy jump for me to pick up small references to tj permeability being genetic.

Oh you are right that emfs open more than the BBB! I believe it is already known they open organs and the gut. I have read that at Dr Goldsworthy's site, at least. I think also I read that at Dr. Klingenhardt's site. I have heard emfs also open skin cells. Whether all of this is fact, I do not know. I mean, I do not know if the research for this exists. I do know it is likely, since cd research has proven much of it is so with gliaden.

I know I personally have gut permeability occasionally from particular emf exposures. I can sometimes feel it happening. I also have proof of this because the next day what food goes in, comes out of my body very quickly--in hours--mostly undigested. I have gone weeks sometimes with undigested food to some degree or another. This is what leads to nutritional deficiencies in celiacs, so it would likely be the same when it happens due to emfs.

My 2 cents worth again, ;)
Diane

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From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 6:37 PM

Diane,
Oh you got brain cells working and then some!
As for slaying the dragons? Its all a state of mind. The words we speak have much power.
As for research...well, so far, the research shows that wireless radiation opens the blood brain barrier. To date, I've not read anywhere that this is gene related. My working theory is that other membranes are opened as well. And think about this: Vit D controlls something like 2000 genes. Most if not all unhealth is caused from nutritional deficiencies and toxic over load. Which comes first is like asking the chicken and the egg question. Because one opens the door to the other. So say a person is way low on their Vit D...this would result in many genes not working or being turned on. This would also prevent the body from absorbing Vit D, which controls those 2000 genes. Add an insult like calcium effflux, where wireless radiation causes the body to lose calcium, and a whole nother cascade of down cycling of the immune system occurs. And look at the amt of people with sensitive stomaches, there's another example of membrane damage and candida
over-growth.
**I agree with you totally. I believe that tj permeability does play a huge role in ES. Every cell has a membrane. So maybe it all comes back to cellular damage at the molecular level, which occurs in many different sites and areas...which might explain the diversity of ES symptoms. Where the damage is most visible is where the weakness happens to be in that particular person.
I believe that everyone is effected....
As for the non believers? They seem to fall into two categories, to my way of thinking. Either they have a vested interest in trying to keep this science from getting out there. Or they belong in the category of those who are too toxic and do not have enough brain function to absorb the information. They are like shadow people. Physically, they are there- but emotionally, mentally, intelluctually, they are blank. They are capable of doing things by route, often have trouble with short term memory, and very often, are unable to take in new information. Inside of this category, are also the "gullible people". These are a subset who only believe what they see or read on the prime time news. They are not capable and are possibly too brainswashed to think for themselves.
And that's putting it nicely.
LIzze

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Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 14:06:19 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Hi again, Lizzie,

Oh yes, I agree that emfs and toxins galore affect all. What I differ from you in is I think there are multiple problems accomplishing this. I think most ES, as we know it, has its cause in tight junction permeability. I think other people react to these emfs and toxins in less noticeable, but sometimes worse, ways--cancers, for instance--but that may not be tight junction caused. Or maybe it is--I eluded to this in one of my recent emails on tj permeability--it was once thought that tj permeability was totally genetic, but now I think they are saying there are other ways the tjs open, and maybe that is due to other genes than the one which affects 22 to 24%; OR maybe there were ways all along that tjs naturally opened without having that one gene.

Since I have been so busy the last 2 years, I have not gotten to keep up with the research as I once did, and am missing a large part of the info available. But, from the bits I recently picked up, it does sound like more than just one gene is, at least, involved. I am trying to keep an open-mind on it, but since tj permeability is something I know I have due to having CD, I also think it is linked to my having ES and I have seen proof of that in trying to treat myself supplementally. I think, since ES research noted tj involvement, early on, that it is likely a major cause for most, if not all, of us here on the forum; but on that account, I would even say still this is just theory. It remains to be proven, but there are alot of indicators pointing that direction.

Re slaying dragons--I am not trying to slay dragons, but I will fess up that over the years I have mentioned tj permeability here with the hope that a medical researcher would read it and be sparked to study it further with ES in mind. Until we can get some concrete proof medically, we will not likely get many to believe us or believe that emfs are direly affecting even a fraction of the population. How many teens do you know who would give up their cell phones to even preserve their health??? It is like guns, unfortunately; they will give them up when you pry them from their dead cold fingers.

Yes, almost everything about life is exponentially worse, these days. We are on a downhill roll and the ball gets bigger every inch we roll.

Brain cells; what brain cells? My brain is running on fumes from detoxing chemicals. ;)

Bless you, Lizzie; keep slaying those dragons,
Diane

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From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
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Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 2:23 PM

Well said.
You are right about the tight junction perm stuff. But somehow, I think that when all is said and done, the research is going to establish that everyone's membranes have been compromised. My understanding is that on a molecular level, when exposed to emf's, the cells shut down. That means nutrients can't get in to the cell, and toxins can't get out.
And then there's the mechanism behind wireless radiation. Put any micro toxin, be it mold, bacteria, etc in to the field of this radiation, and it will be amplified 600 times. So now there is the situation of toxins being multiplied hugely and exponentially. So possibly, anything the body views as an enemy, including what sets off celiac, is now multiplied many times over.
Do you see this? I do.
This explains the proliferation of candida, probably lyme disease, and just about every other toxin. Add that together with how wireless causes the body to go acidic (or in most cases, even more acidic) and its a recipe for disaster.
I love the brainstorming. Though i am sorry we had to meet this way- I do find it refreshing to talk to people that have brain cells still alive and kicking!
This goes for everyone on this site.
With my greatest respects to all of you. It may not seem like it, on some days, but we are all slaying the dragons!
LIzzie

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Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 11:11:16 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Hi Lizzie,

No, I don't think it is coincidence that so many people are reacting to so much stuff. I think what is causing it is all the un-natural living we are trying to accomplish today-- all the chemicals, meds, emfs that never existed before.... You cannot even find "real" clothing today--the fibers, if they even are natural (and that is truly hard to find) are often dipped, wound, wrapped, sprayed, you name it, with un-natural chemicals. Same with our foods, furnishing, our air and soil....

I never did say gluten or celiac disease "caused" it--celiac disease has little to do with it. Peoples' genes (not celiac genes) but tj permeability genes, probably play a large part in how we react to things, however, NOBODY's genes were prepared for the onslaught of un-natural living we have been exposed to in the last 50 to 150 years. That said, what I *did* say was, *if* one has celiac disease or the tj permeability, they will not get any better unless they also address those. That is true for any body "injury" or illness. You can't expect good recovery from ES with a broken anything. Your body stress and pH will be "off" no matter what your injury is. However, what I often see here are people trying to selectively treat ES, like it is a special compartmentalized illness. It is not.

I do, however, personally feel *tight junction permeability leading to ion-channelopathy* is the cause of ES and many of the other miriad modern-day illnesses. And, by cause, I mean how the un-naturalness of living today, is able to affect some people while not others.

I only mentioned that I found the research on tj permeability due to the fact that I already had celiac disease and was searching for info on it; it was then that I saw there was a connection. The connection is not celiac disease, it is the tight junction permeability problem, which celiac disease and ES seem to, due to research, both have in common.

Does this clear up the discrepancy any in your mind? I hope so, because tight junctions were long known (since the 1990s) to be the only readily noticeable effect from emfs in ES research on ES people. Cell phone companies have been able to negate the effects of emfs on people due to their understanding and manipulation of this link.

Blessings,
Diane

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From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
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Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 9:28 PM

Diane,
Yea, that would be truly amazing if only 22-24 reacted to that. So, do you really think its a coincidence that some of us are "also" just happened to be allergic to mold?
It is true, I will grant that, that everyone has a weakness, a predispositon if you will.....not sure if I believe the gene theory stuff. There's new research that came out on mercola's site that blows that theory all to hell. But common sense tells us that everyone does have certain weakness in their unique immune systems. Some people like cold food, some can't eat spicey, some like lemon-aide, others hate it. Some have head-aches, some get stomach aches, some get back aches. This is all very real. Most - if not all of these problems- will probably be found, if looked for, to be rooted in a childhood exposure to some kind of toxic. Or a combination of toxins. Different combinations for different people would manifest in different and unique symptoms. And Celiac may be one of those.
However, just like when the combination of mercury and aluminum create something together, that is far more toxic then just the single toxin, emf's create a synergy that essentially creates the straw that breaks the camels back. It is the tipping point.
A room full of people.....can we find a room full of people and find ONE person who doesn't have ANY chronic health problems?
Anyone?
I rest my case. I think Celiac may just be another symptom of the puzzle. But its the symptom, not the cause.
Lizzie

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Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 16:21:55 -0700
Subject: Re: [eSens] Gluten

Hi, Lizzie,

Gliadin is actually the portion of glutens that celiacs are intolerant to. Peanuts and corn do not contain the gliadin fractions which affect celiacs. Celiacs do not tolerate wheat, rye, barley, and sometimes oats and millets (tho this is usually due to contamination in transporting or harvesting). There is actual research which went into determining what celiacs are intolerant to. And they know it is not mold which causes celiac disease, tho many celiacs, including me, are also intolerant to mold.

In order to have celiac disease, a celiac must have at least one celiac gene and one tight junction permeability gene, so it is quite possible that the "us" you are refering to are the 22 to 24% who also have the tight junction gene, which will cause numerous problems just by itself. Celiac disease is just one of the gluten intolerances. There are other gluten intolerance types, and also gluten allergy, which is also different than celiac disease.

But I totally agree with you on the subject of mold and the emfs which cause them to proliferate. It would be amazing that only 22 to 24% of the population would react to that! Truly.

My two cents,
Diane

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From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Gluten
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Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 7:20 PM

On the subject of gluten. Gluten products ie: wheat, peanuts, corn.....these are all crops that tend to be "moldy". Add into the fact that commercial bread making UPS the amt of gluten to make more bread. I think of Celiac disease as AN INTOLERANCE TO MOLD. Google Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt and READ what he says about when you put a micro toxin (be it viral, bacterial, or MOLD) into the field/exposure of EMF's, the micro toxin multiplies by 600%. Celiac is supposed to be "genetic", according to the mainstream medical industrial complex. Really? ARe we ALL related then? Because I know a ton of people who can't eat wheat products! And none of them have relatives with Celiac. Some might say, well, maybe the relatives just didn't know, weren't diagnosed...I've heard the same argument used to explain Autism. The only reason the numbers are soo high is due to better diagnostics. Some people actually believe the myth that Autism has always been around.
Hmmm.......Kind of makes me wonder what "they're smoking".
This is just one example of many. I had a damp moldy basement. When I got rid of wifi, wireless, ect....within days, my basement didn't smell tht nasty smell. I've had 3 electricians from 3 diff't companies tell me my basement was the cleanest smelling basement they'd ever been in. They said for them, it was normal business as usual to have to work in moldy smelling basements. Out here, most are michigan basements. That means only part of it is dug out. There are rooms- spaces with dirt.
I had a friend who lives on a farm, has 3 kids. Being stung by a bee is a normal occurrance. EXcept the one time that the little girls arm swelled all the way UP to her shoulder. Scared the pee out of her mom. The child hadn't eaten anything different. Nothing was changed in her diet, no new soap products were used. The ONLY THING THAT WAS DIFFERENT was that they had company over, who were using their
WIRELESS LAP THAT WEEKEND!! Normally, there was no wireless in their environment. *They were under the belief that the little stick on product their guests had put on their laptop to protect from radiation actually worked. As far as MOLD goes? I don't think the human body was designed to tolerate MOLD that has multiplied by 600%.
Something to think about.
Lizzie

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Elizabeth thode

RE: Gluten

Well said.
Research when done ethically, does contribute hugely in areas of healing. Genuine indepedent research, not funded by the same companies who want to prove a product safe...is priceless!
But one little caveat on the celiac issue. How do you explain those who DON"T have the gene, who have exactly the same symtpms and intolerance? OR how to you prove that these people were actually BORN with that gene?
It seems to me that I have read that some substances, products, etc like genetically modified foods, for example, can turn off or on certain genes. This opens the possibility that people can "show" the gene, but to prove to they were BORN with it....would be virtually impossible in most circumstances.
You see what I mean? It seems to me, that in order to say something is "genetic or inherited", you'd have to know for absolute sure, that the person was indeed born with it. And unless tests were done at birth to ascertain this, then it kind of blows the whole "gene" theory, when genetically modified foods can change the genes, and turn certain genes on or off.
Just brain stormng here.
Lizzie
And yes, I wholeheartedly agree, that the solution is easy if one knows there are plenty of substitutes like: quinoa, amaranth, rice, spelt (although it does have gluten, it is of a different kind, so many can tolerate this, including us).
MOst colleges for premed, med, ect are funded by the pharmeceutical companies...so its not too hard to see how easy it is for them to manipulate the education.
Research is vital....I wouldn't have learned as much as I have, were it not for me doing my own research. I just make sure that my sources are clean.
Lizzie
And there always wonderful surprises, like George CArlos, who was the one who was paid 25 milion by the cell phone industry to prove cell phones were safe...and he not only proved the opposite, but refused to be bought off.

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Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:11:40 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Hi again, Lizzie,

Perhaps you are right about people in general thinking genetics limit healing. But, I think this is where people like you and me (and other open-minded thinkers) differ. We do not see boundaries set on our health due to genetics (or for any reason), nor should we. Yes, genetics play a part, but they do not tell the entire story.

Take celiac disease, for instance. It is a done deal that cd is genetic. However, how is it treated? Not by some dangerous surgery or by a dangerous drug. It is treated merely by the choice of foods you eat. Not all with cd want to give up their deliciously wicked cinnamon buns. However, if they ever really tried it, they'd find they like the alternatives much better. I hear cases and know cases personally of people with cd who do not go completely gf. That is their choice, but they know the risk. There is a difference between being truly naive and being resistant to truth. People who are resistant to truth don't need genetics to limit their thinking. Any little excuse will do.

I guess I do have a bias here, Lizzie. I was partially trained in pre-med (I had to drop out of uni my senior year due to health issues) and while I was in school, I was a lab-rat--learning the ropes on how to conduct research studies. I believe in research. Most research docs are truly looking for truth. [Research docs are an entirely different mind-set than medical docs.] I contribute my time in the lab as a large reason I have been able to retain an open-mind. I learned to do that during my training; this is research rule # 1! I agree that there are many researchers who are paid off or in it for their own nepherious reasons--and I also agree the AMA--medical doctors, as a whole-- are way off track. Often this has to do with their training, unfortunately, and that I also saw to a degree when I was in school. [Biased and narrow-mindedly hanging onto out-dated, out-moded information and facts and seeing chemicals as the
only relevant treatments were alot of it. Nowhere was this more true than in the areas of nutritional and psychological training that medical doctors received.]

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, Lizzie. Research is how we uncover ways to heal ourselves. Keep an open mind on that, too. I think you will soon see research which does us justice.

Diane

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From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 11:23 AM

You are so very welcome...just a reminder. All of us who retain the ability to "question" to "seek knowledge"....are living examples of victors- I prefer to use that phrase over just merely being survivors.
Leaky gut syndrome, yes, have friends with this. Probiotics are the best way to heal the gut. (*Mercola) and of course, avoidance.
As for me? I tend to question studies and anything that comes from mainstream medicine. Klinghardt's research is stellar! But he is not a mainstream parrot.
I think of all those such as: Mercola, Klinghardt, Blaylock, Sircus, Barry Durant-Peatsfield, and others...as all contributing "pieces" to the puzzle. (And I haven't even listed the ES contributors, and this includes various informational sources on house wiring which is paramount to healing ES, as I would bet that many ES ers either live, or have lived in badly WIRED houses.
This whole thing is like peeling away the layers of an onion, or peeling, stripping layers upon layers of old wallpaper.
Thru all of this, it is of vital importance to support the thyroid and adrenal glands. And anyone relying on thryoid blood tests needs to realize that they are putting their faith in the same system that sanctions: chemo, vaccines, fluoride in the water, silver fillings, prescription drugs that treat only the symptoms and more often then not, are toxic,....these are just a few examples of misplaced faith in a broken by design system. (*as in deliberately designed to not help...and in many cases, intentionally poison!)
And might i add the same system who deliberately decided to use the same frequency for cell phone as is the body!) These are not examples of incompetence/ nor are they coincidences!
ONe problem with the "gene" theory is that it tends to limit people's ability to even believe they CAN heal their bodies.
Take for example the true amount of people today who are Diabetic or borderline Diabetic. ARe we to believe that more then half of the population is genetically pre disposed to Diabetes?
It's the old argument: Genetics versus Environment. Which one has more power? Which one is more prevelant? Which one does the real evidence support? Take a piece of paper, draw a line down the middle. One column for clean environment. The other lists environmental, outside factors. This would include: badly wired houses, silver fillings, vaccines, pesticides, fake food, MSG, moldy crops, bad drinking water, cooking with teflon pans, microwved food, mothers who had a mouth full of mercury silver fillings, wireless technology in the house, and the list is endless. Which side do you think would fill the page?
Food for fodder.
Lizzie
P.S. All of us are truly enlightened intelluctual warriors who are steadfast in our determination to continue to slay the dragons. That MAKES US MAGNIFICENT PEOPLE!
We could have given up, stuck our heads back in the sand, played the denial till it killed us. BUT WE CHOSE NOT TO!

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Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:47:27 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Thanks for the flattery, Lizzie. ;)

I needed that on a day my brain has felt ready to go belly-up. lol I hope you are right. You should have known me when I actually did have brain cells! lol

I don't know whether anything has changed recently on the tight junction front as it pertains to genetics, but it used to be known [or at least widely publicised as tho it were known] that the MYD88 gene was what allowed tight junction permeability. There are also claudens genes involved. CLDN 5 and CLDN 8, I think, but I could be wrong as to the numbers--this was 3 years ago, at least, that I read it.

When they are talking about the BBB leaking or "opening up", what they mean is the tjs in that location, the BBB, are opening up. There are tjs thruout the body. [Okay, sorry; reading further you already knew that! ;) ] Celiac disease is known to open at least tjs in the small intestine, the BBB, the liver, heart, and lungs (that is to say, in susceptible people, gliaden--the gluten fraction which causes the damage in cd--opens up tjs in those places).

You will likely only read the genetics involved in this on very select sites. Maybe Dr Goldsworthy would make reference to it. I only read about this on research studies, themselves; however, I also knew beforehand that celiac disease is genetic, so it was an easy jump for me to pick up small references to tj permeability being genetic.

Oh you are right that emfs open more than the BBB! I believe it is already known they open organs and the gut. I have read that at Dr Goldsworthy's site, at least. I think also I read that at Dr. Klingenhardt's site. I have heard emfs also open skin cells. Whether all of this is fact, I do not know. I mean, I do not know if the research for this exists. I do know it is likely, since cd research has proven much of it is so with gliaden.

I know I personally have gut permeability occasionally from particular emf exposures. I can sometimes feel it happening. I also have proof of this because the next day what food goes in, comes out of my body very quickly--in hours--mostly undigested. I have gone weeks sometimes with undigested food to some degree or another. This is what leads to nutritional deficiencies in celiacs, so it would likely be the same when it happens due to emfs.

My 2 cents worth again, ;)
Diane

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From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 6:37 PM

Diane,
Oh you got brain cells working and then some!
As for slaying the dragons? Its all a state of mind. The words we speak have much power.
As for research...well, so far, the research shows that wireless radiation opens the blood brain barrier. To date, I've not read anywhere that this is gene related. My working theory is that other membranes are opened as well. And think about this: Vit D controlls something like 2000 genes. Most if not all unhealth is caused from nutritional deficiencies and toxic over load. Which comes first is like asking the chicken and the egg question. Because one opens the door to the other. So say a person is way low on their Vit D...this would result in many genes not working or being turned on. This would also prevent the body from absorbing Vit D, which controls those 2000 genes. Add an insult like calcium effflux, where wireless radiation causes the body to lose calcium, and a whole nother cascade of down cycling of the immune system occurs. And look at the amt of people with sensitive stomaches, there's another example of membrane damage and candida
over-growth.
**I agree with you totally. I believe that tj permeability does play a huge role in ES. Every cell has a membrane. So maybe it all comes back to cellular damage at the molecular level, which occurs in many different sites and areas...which might explain the diversity of ES symptoms. Where the damage is most visible is where the weakness happens to be in that particular person.
I believe that everyone is effected....
As for the non believers? They seem to fall into two categories, to my way of thinking. Either they have a vested interest in trying to keep this science from getting out there. Or they belong in the category of those who are too toxic and do not have enough brain function to absorb the information. They are like shadow people. Physically, they are there- but emotionally, mentally, intelluctually, they are blank. They are capable of doing things by route, often have trouble with short term memory, and very often, are unable to take in new information. Inside of this category, are also the "gullible people". These are a subset who only believe what they see or read on the prime time news. They are not capable and are possibly too brainswashed to think for themselves.
And that's putting it nicely.
LIzze

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Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 14:06:19 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Hi again, Lizzie,

Oh yes, I agree that emfs and toxins galore affect all. What I differ from you in is I think there are multiple problems accomplishing this. I think most ES, as we know it, has its cause in tight junction permeability. I think other people react to these emfs and toxins in less noticeable, but sometimes worse, ways--cancers, for instance--but that may not be tight junction caused. Or maybe it is--I eluded to this in one of my recent emails on tj permeability--it was once thought that tj permeability was totally genetic, but now I think they are saying there are other ways the tjs open, and maybe that is due to other genes than the one which affects 22 to 24%; OR maybe there were ways all along that tjs naturally opened without having that one gene.

Since I have been so busy the last 2 years, I have not gotten to keep up with the research as I once did, and am missing a large part of the info available. But, from the bits I recently picked up, it does sound like more than just one gene is, at least, involved. I am trying to keep an open-mind on it, but since tj permeability is something I know I have due to having CD, I also think it is linked to my having ES and I have seen proof of that in trying to treat myself supplementally. I think, since ES research noted tj involvement, early on, that it is likely a major cause for most, if not all, of us here on the forum; but on that account, I would even say still this is just theory. It remains to be proven, but there are alot of indicators pointing that direction.

Re slaying dragons--I am not trying to slay dragons, but I will fess up that over the years I have mentioned tj permeability here with the hope that a medical researcher would read it and be sparked to study it further with ES in mind. Until we can get some concrete proof medically, we will not likely get many to believe us or believe that emfs are direly affecting even a fraction of the population. How many teens do you know who would give up their cell phones to even preserve their health??? It is like guns, unfortunately; they will give them up when you pry them from their dead cold fingers.

Yes, almost everything about life is exponentially worse, these days. We are on a downhill roll and the ball gets bigger every inch we roll.

Brain cells; what brain cells? My brain is running on fumes from detoxing chemicals. ;)

Bless you, Lizzie; keep slaying those dragons,
Diane

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From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 2:23 PM

Well said.
You are right about the tight junction perm stuff. But somehow, I think that when all is said and done, the research is going to establish that everyone's membranes have been compromised. My understanding is that on a molecular level, when exposed to emf's, the cells shut down. That means nutrients can't get in to the cell, and toxins can't get out.
And then there's the mechanism behind wireless radiation. Put any micro toxin, be it mold, bacteria, etc in to the field of this radiation, and it will be amplified 600 times. So now there is the situation of toxins being multiplied hugely and exponentially. So possibly, anything the body views as an enemy, including what sets off celiac, is now multiplied many times over.
Do you see this? I do.
This explains the proliferation of candida, probably lyme disease, and just about every other toxin. Add that together with how wireless causes the body to go acidic (or in most cases, even more acidic) and its a recipe for disaster.
I love the brainstorming. Though i am sorry we had to meet this way- I do find it refreshing to talk to people that have brain cells still alive and kicking!
This goes for everyone on this site.
With my greatest respects to all of you. It may not seem like it, on some days, but we are all slaying the dragons!
LIzzie

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Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 11:11:16 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Hi Lizzie,

No, I don't think it is coincidence that so many people are reacting to so much stuff. I think what is causing it is all the un-natural living we are trying to accomplish today-- all the chemicals, meds, emfs that never existed before.... You cannot even find "real" clothing today--the fibers, if they even are natural (and that is truly hard to find) are often dipped, wound, wrapped, sprayed, you name it, with un-natural chemicals. Same with our foods, furnishing, our air and soil....

I never did say gluten or celiac disease "caused" it--celiac disease has little to do with it. Peoples' genes (not celiac genes) but tj permeability genes, probably play a large part in how we react to things, however, NOBODY's genes were prepared for the onslaught of un-natural living we have been exposed to in the last 50 to 150 years. That said, what I *did* say was, *if* one has celiac disease or the tj permeability, they will not get any better unless they also address those. That is true for any body "injury" or illness. You can't expect good recovery from ES with a broken anything. Your body stress and pH will be "off" no matter what your injury is. However, what I often see here are people trying to selectively treat ES, like it is a special compartmentalized illness. It is not.

I do, however, personally feel *tight junction permeability leading to ion-channelopathy* is the cause of ES and many of the other miriad modern-day illnesses. And, by cause, I mean how the un-naturalness of living today, is able to affect some people while not others.

I only mentioned that I found the research on tj permeability due to the fact that I already had celiac disease and was searching for info on it; it was then that I saw there was a connection. The connection is not celiac disease, it is the tight junction permeability problem, which celiac disease and ES seem to, due to research, both have in common.

Does this clear up the discrepancy any in your mind? I hope so, because tight junctions were long known (since the 1990s) to be the only readily noticeable effect from emfs in ES research on ES people. Cell phone companies have been able to negate the effects of emfs on people due to their understanding and manipulation of this link.

Blessings,
Diane

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From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 9:28 PM

Diane,
Yea, that would be truly amazing if only 22-24 reacted to that. So, do you really think its a coincidence that some of us are "also" just happened to be allergic to mold?
It is true, I will grant that, that everyone has a weakness, a predispositon if you will.....not sure if I believe the gene theory stuff. There's new research that came out on mercola's site that blows that theory all to hell. But common sense tells us that everyone does have certain weakness in their unique immune systems. Some people like cold food, some can't eat spicey, some like lemon-aide, others hate it. Some have head-aches, some get stomach aches, some get back aches. This is all very real. Most - if not all of these problems- will probably be found, if looked for, to be rooted in a childhood exposure to some kind of toxic. Or a combination of toxins. Different combinations for different people would manifest in different and unique symptoms. And Celiac may be one of those.
However, just like when the combination of mercury and aluminum create something together, that is far more toxic then just the single toxin, emf's create a synergy that essentially creates the straw that breaks the camels back. It is the tipping point.
A room full of people.....can we find a room full of people and find ONE person who doesn't have ANY chronic health problems?
Anyone?
I rest my case. I think Celiac may just be another symptom of the puzzle. But its the symptom, not the cause.
Lizzie

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From: [hidden email]
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 16:21:55 -0700
Subject: Re: [eSens] Gluten

Hi, Lizzie,

Gliadin is actually the portion of glutens that celiacs are intolerant to. Peanuts and corn do not contain the gliadin fractions which affect celiacs. Celiacs do not tolerate wheat, rye, barley, and sometimes oats and millets (tho this is usually due to contamination in transporting or harvesting). There is actual research which went into determining what celiacs are intolerant to. And they know it is not mold which causes celiac disease, tho many celiacs, including me, are also intolerant to mold.

In order to have celiac disease, a celiac must have at least one celiac gene and one tight junction permeability gene, so it is quite possible that the "us" you are refering to are the 22 to 24% who also have the tight junction gene, which will cause numerous problems just by itself. Celiac disease is just one of the gluten intolerances. There are other gluten intolerance types, and also gluten allergy, which is also different than celiac disease.

But I totally agree with you on the subject of mold and the emfs which cause them to proliferate. It would be amazing that only 22 to 24% of the population would react to that! Truly.

My two cents,
Diane

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From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 7:20 PM

On the subject of gluten. Gluten products ie: wheat, peanuts, corn.....these are all crops that tend to be "moldy". Add into the fact that commercial bread making UPS the amt of gluten to make more bread. I think of Celiac disease as AN INTOLERANCE TO MOLD. Google Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt and READ what he says about when you put a micro toxin (be it viral, bacterial, or MOLD) into the field/exposure of EMF's, the micro toxin multiplies by 600%. Celiac is supposed to be "genetic", according to the mainstream medical industrial complex. Really? ARe we ALL related then? Because I know a ton of people who can't eat wheat products! And none of them have relatives with Celiac. Some might say, well, maybe the relatives just didn't know, weren't diagnosed...I've heard the same argument used to explain Autism. The only reason the numbers are soo high is due to better diagnostics. Some people actually believe the myth that Autism has always been around.
Hmmm.......Kind of makes me wonder what "they're smoking".
This is just one example of many. I had a damp moldy basement. When I got rid of wifi, wireless, ect....within days, my basement didn't smell tht nasty smell. I've had 3 electricians from 3 diff't companies tell me my basement was the cleanest smelling basement they'd ever been in. They said for them, it was normal business as usual to have to work in moldy smelling basements. Out here, most are michigan basements. That means only part of it is dug out. There are rooms- spaces with dirt.
I had a friend who lives on a farm, has 3 kids. Being stung by a bee is a normal occurrance. EXcept the one time that the little girls arm swelled all the way UP to her shoulder. Scared the pee out of her mom. The child hadn't eaten anything different. Nothing was changed in her diet, no new soap products were used. The ONLY THING THAT WAS DIFFERENT was that they had company over, who were using their
WIRELESS LAP THAT WEEKEND!! Normally, there was no wireless in their environment. *They were under the belief that the little stick on product their guests had put on their laptop to protect from radiation actually worked. As far as MOLD goes? I don't think the human body was designed to tolerate MOLD that has multiplied by 600%.
Something to think about.
Lizzie

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evie15422

RE: Gluten

Hi again, Lizzie,

This is a rather off-topic subject, so those here who are not interested in celiac disease/ tight junctions should not read further. (Well, maybe read the last paragraph.) I would generally answer a post like this privately, but since celiac disease is related in a round about way to tight junction permeability and to ES, I have opted to answer this on open forum. (Mainly since, we may find in the future, a similar disconnect with ES not being easy to diagnose according to medical parameters initially put in place; and ESsers need to be aware that a blood or gene test does not necessarily prove anything in individual cases.)

A fact that is generally not known is that blood tests for any disease are never 100% accurate. For instance, my mother was dxed with myasthenia gravis. The test used had only an 89% accuracy rate. If she had failed that test, she could have still been one of the 11% remaining with myastenia gravis, who were not picked up on the test. When docs tested me for MG, they ran the same test. It came back negative, and they pronounced me MG free (2 different docs!), even tho I had copious symptoms which could have been consistent with the disease. I later had additional testing which found me negative for MG, tho I was never told by the docs who did the original tests that I should have further testing. They pronounced me MG-free, as tho the test was completely definitive!

On the specific subject of celiac research, researchers do know that what is "medically" considered celiac disease, occurs in about 1 out of 100 people in the US, per blood bank testing. [But understand that not anywhere near 1 out of 100 people have actually been dxed with celiac disease.] The genes for 1 in 100 are accounted for, but the researchers also know that there are a few who have the specific requirement to qualify for cd, who have no known gene for cd. Understand that celiac disease is a very specific disorder--particular lesions in the small intestine which are specific to tight junction damage to the small intestine; period. In other words, celiac disease is not the many symptoms it manifests, but ONLY the lesions it causes in the small intestine. If you think celiac disease is about the symptoms, it is not; it is solely based on the small intestinal lesions and findings.

If you are talking about, however, why so many with celiac symptoms are not dxed, then you are talking a slightly different subject, and a very complicated subject. The reasons this happens are many and varied.....

Sometimes, people (and I was one), don't pass the blood tests for cd. There are cases for which the blood tests appear within normal parameters for cd, however, what has happened is the person has had cd for so long that they no longer elicit the correct abnormal chemistry to qualify as positive on the tests.

There are other cases in which the person suspecting celiac disease has already gone totally or partially gluten-free, which skews the test (the gluten-free diet essentially heals you to the point you have no cd).

Then there are people who, having failed the blood tests, opt for a small intestinal endoscopy, but the doctor doing the test fails to recognise the proper lesions, and takes biopsies of only 1 to 3 OTHER lesions, which then come back as not positive for celiac disease. DUH!!! [Yes, some docs only take 1 to 3 samples!]

My very celiac aware doctor took 12 biopsy samples and all 12 came back as positive for cd (he knew what to look for). Now the standard is to take 24 samples, if that many lesions exist, but some doctors still go in and take only 1 to 3, and don't know what they are supposed to be looking for in the first place.

There are a few celiacs who, having done all the gene testing and all the blood testing, do still have celiac type lesions. This happens rather rarely, but it does happen. The researchers thought a few years ago that when this happened, the person perhaps did have a yet undiscovered gene. (Know that there are multiple celiac genes, not just 1 gene, which must be tested for in a celiac. Gene testing is pricey, especially since most tests only test for 2 or 3 of the most common cd genes.) So this is yet another reason why cd might be missed as a dx.

Most people who suspect cd do not know all of this, they have a blood test or a gene test and that comes back negative for celiac disease, and they *think* this is the definitive answer. This is not at all so. This is also why you see so many people who put themselves on the gf diet without a dx at all. But this in no way implies cd is not genetic, it simply implies cd is hard to get a proper dx for.

Most of the symptoms which celiacs have are very non-specific. Most are not even primary symptoms, but secondary and tertiary (or further) symptoms. Primary symptoms would be only the tj damage, to include the small intestine, bbb, and sometimes some organs, and cilli blunting in the small intestine. Secondary symptoms are all the nutrient deficiencies, leading to yet more issues--osteoporosis, anemias, etc; and foreign invaders--aberrant gut bugs, viruses, etc, and chemical and toxic substances, which also lead to yet further problems, such as mast cell proliferation, MCS, etc. Both the nutrient deficiencies and the invaders/ foreign substances are directly caused by the tight junction permeability. So, you see, ES could, by opening up the tight junctions, perhaps accomplish exactly the same symptoms. The only difference might be that glutens attack the gut first, while EMFs appear to attack the brain first.

Diane

--- On Sun, 6/12/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 5:47 PM

Well said.
Research when done ethically, does contribute hugely in areas of healing. Genuine indepedent research, not funded by the same companies who want to prove a product safe...is priceless!
But one little caveat on the celiac issue. How do you explain those who DON"T have the gene, who have exactly the same symtpms and intolerance? OR how to you prove that these people were actually BORN with that gene?
It seems to me that I have read that some substances, products, etc like genetically modified foods, for example, can turn off or on certain genes. This opens the possibility that people can "show" the gene, but to prove to they were BORN with it....would be virtually impossible in most circumstances.
You see what I mean? It seems to me, that in order to say something is "genetic or inherited", you'd have to know for absolute sure, that the person was indeed born with it. And unless tests were done at birth to ascertain this, then it kind of blows the whole "gene" theory, when genetically modified foods can change the genes, and turn certain genes on or off.
Just brain stormng here.
Lizzie
And yes, I wholeheartedly agree, that the solution is easy if one knows there are plenty of substitutes like: quinoa, amaranth, rice, spelt (although it does have gluten, it is of a different kind, so many can tolerate this, including us).
MOst colleges for premed, med, ect are funded by the pharmeceutical companies...so its not too hard to see how easy it is for them to manipulate the education.
Research is vital....I wouldn't have learned as much as I have, were it not for me doing my own research. I just make sure that my sources are clean.
Lizzie
And there always wonderful surprises, like George CArlos, who was the one who was paid 25 milion by the cell phone industry to prove cell phones were safe...and he not only proved the opposite, but refused to be bought off.

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From: [hidden email]
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:11:40 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Hi again, Lizzie,

Perhaps you are right about people in general thinking genetics limit healing. But, I think this is where people like you and me (and other open-minded thinkers) differ. We do not see boundaries set on our health due to genetics (or for any reason), nor should we. Yes, genetics play a part, but they do not tell the entire story.

Take celiac disease, for instance. It is a done deal that cd is genetic. However, how is it treated? Not by some dangerous surgery or by a dangerous drug. It is treated merely by the choice of foods you eat. Not all with cd want to give up their deliciously wicked cinnamon buns. However, if they ever really tried it, they'd find they like the alternatives much better. I hear cases and know cases personally of people with cd who do not go completely gf. That is their choice, but they know the risk. There is a difference between being truly naive and being resistant to truth. People who are resistant to truth don't need genetics to limit their thinking. Any little excuse will do.

I guess I do have a bias here, Lizzie. I was partially trained in pre-med (I had to drop out of uni my senior year due to health issues) and while I was in school, I was a lab-rat--learning the ropes on how to conduct research studies. I believe in research. Most research docs are truly looking for truth. [Research docs are an entirely different mind-set than medical docs.] I contribute my time in the lab as a large reason I have been able to retain an open-mind. I learned to do that during my training; this is research rule # 1! I agree that there are many researchers who are paid off or in it for their own nepherious reasons--and I also agree the AMA--medical doctors, as a whole-- are way off track. Often this has to do with their training, unfortunately, and that I also saw to a degree when I was in school. [Biased and narrow-mindedly hanging onto out-dated, out-moded information and facts and seeing chemicals as the
only relevant treatments were alot of it. Nowhere was this more true than in the areas of nutritional and psychological training that medical doctors received.]

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, Lizzie. Research is how we uncover ways to heal ourselves. Keep an open mind on that, too. I think you will soon see research which does us justice.

Diane

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From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 11:23 AM

You are so very welcome...just a reminder. All of us who retain the ability to "question" to "seek knowledge"....are living examples of victors- I prefer to use that phrase over just merely being survivors.
Leaky gut syndrome, yes, have friends with this. Probiotics are the best way to heal the gut. (*Mercola) and of course, avoidance.
As for me? I tend to question studies and anything that comes from mainstream medicine. Klinghardt's research is stellar! But he is not a mainstream parrot.
I think of all those such as: Mercola, Klinghardt, Blaylock, Sircus, Barry Durant-Peatsfield, and others...as all contributing "pieces" to the puzzle. (And I haven't even listed the ES contributors, and this includes various informational sources on house wiring which is paramount to healing ES, as I would bet that many ES ers either live, or have lived in badly WIRED houses.
This whole thing is like peeling away the layers of an onion, or peeling, stripping layers upon layers of old wallpaper.
Thru all of this, it is of vital importance to support the thyroid and adrenal glands. And anyone relying on thryoid blood tests needs to realize that they are putting their faith in the same system that sanctions: chemo, vaccines, fluoride in the water, silver fillings, prescription drugs that treat only the symptoms and more often then not, are toxic,....these are just a few examples of misplaced faith in a broken by design system. (*as in deliberately designed to not help...and in many cases, intentionally poison!)
And might i add the same system who deliberately decided to use the same frequency for cell phone as is the body!) These are not examples of incompetence/ nor are they coincidences!
ONe problem with the "gene" theory is that it tends to limit people's ability to even believe they CAN heal their bodies.
Take for example the true amount of people today who are Diabetic or borderline Diabetic. ARe we to believe that more then half of the population is genetically pre disposed to Diabetes?
It's the old argument: Genetics versus Environment. Which one has more power? Which one is more prevelant? Which one does the real evidence support? Take a piece of paper, draw a line down the middle. One column for clean environment. The other lists environmental, outside factors. This would include: badly wired houses, silver fillings, vaccines, pesticides, fake food, MSG, moldy crops, bad drinking water, cooking with teflon pans, microwved food, mothers who had a mouth full of mercury silver fillings, wireless technology in the house, and the list is endless. Which side do you think would fill the page?
Food for fodder.
Lizzie
P.S. All of us are truly enlightened intelluctual warriors who are steadfast in our determination to continue to slay the dragons. That MAKES US MAGNIFICENT PEOPLE!
We could have given up, stuck our heads back in the sand, played the denial till it killed us. BUT WE CHOSE NOT TO!

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From: [hidden email]
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:47:27 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Thanks for the flattery, Lizzie. ;)

I needed that on a day my brain has felt ready to go belly-up. lol I hope you are right. You should have known me when I actually did have brain cells! lol

I don't know whether anything has changed recently on the tight junction front as it pertains to genetics, but it used to be known [or at least widely publicised as tho it were known] that the MYD88 gene was what allowed tight junction permeability. There are also claudens genes involved. CLDN 5 and CLDN 8, I think, but I could be wrong as to the numbers--this was 3 years ago, at least, that I read it.

When they are talking about the BBB leaking or "opening up", what they mean is the tjs in that location, the BBB, are opening up. There are tjs thruout the body. [Okay, sorry; reading further you already knew that! ;) ] Celiac disease is known to open at least tjs in the small intestine, the BBB, the liver, heart, and lungs (that is to say, in susceptible people, gliaden--the gluten fraction which causes the damage in cd--opens up tjs in those places).

You will likely only read the genetics involved in this on very select sites. Maybe Dr Goldsworthy would make reference to it. I only read about this on research studies, themselves; however, I also knew beforehand that celiac disease is genetic, so it was an easy jump for me to pick up small references to tj permeability being genetic.

Oh you are right that emfs open more than the BBB! I believe it is already known they open organs and the gut. I have read that at Dr Goldsworthy's site, at least. I think also I read that at Dr. Klingenhardt's site. I have heard emfs also open skin cells. Whether all of this is fact, I do not know. I mean, I do not know if the research for this exists. I do know it is likely, since cd research has proven much of it is so with gliaden.

I know I personally have gut permeability occasionally from particular emf exposures. I can sometimes feel it happening. I also have proof of this because the next day what food goes in, comes out of my body very quickly--in hours--mostly undigested. I have gone weeks sometimes with undigested food to some degree or another. This is what leads to nutritional deficiencies in celiacs, so it would likely be the same when it happens due to emfs.

My 2 cents worth again, ;)
Diane

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From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 6:37 PM

Diane,
Oh you got brain cells working and then some!
As for slaying the dragons? Its all a state of mind. The words we speak have much power.
As for research...well, so far, the research shows that wireless radiation opens the blood brain barrier. To date, I've not read anywhere that this is gene related. My working theory is that other membranes are opened as well. And think about this: Vit D controlls something like 2000 genes. Most if not all unhealth is caused from nutritional deficiencies and toxic over load. Which comes first is like asking the chicken and the egg question. Because one opens the door to the other. So say a person is way low on their Vit D...this would result in many genes not working or being turned on. This would also prevent the body from absorbing Vit D, which controls those 2000 genes. Add an insult like calcium effflux, where wireless radiation causes the body to lose calcium, and a whole nother cascade of down cycling of the immune system occurs. And look at the amt of people with sensitive stomaches, there's another example of membrane damage and candida
over-growth.
**I agree with you totally. I believe that tj permeability does play a huge role in ES. Every cell has a membrane. So maybe it all comes back to cellular damage at the molecular level, which occurs in many different sites and areas...which might explain the diversity of ES symptoms. Where the damage is most visible is where the weakness happens to be in that particular person.
I believe that everyone is effected....
As for the non believers? They seem to fall into two categories, to my way of thinking. Either they have a vested interest in trying to keep this science from getting out there. Or they belong in the category of those who are too toxic and do not have enough brain function to absorb the information. They are like shadow people. Physically, they are there- but emotionally, mentally, intelluctually, they are blank. They are capable of doing things by route, often have trouble with short term memory, and very often, are unable to take in new information. Inside of this category, are also the "gullible people". These are a subset who only believe what they see or read on the prime time news. They are not capable and are possibly too brainswashed to think for themselves.
And that's putting it nicely.
LIzze

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From: [hidden email]
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 14:06:19 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Hi again, Lizzie,

Oh yes, I agree that emfs and toxins galore affect all. What I differ from you in is I think there are multiple problems accomplishing this. I think most ES, as we know it, has its cause in tight junction permeability. I think other people react to these emfs and toxins in less noticeable, but sometimes worse, ways--cancers, for instance--but that may not be tight junction caused. Or maybe it is--I eluded to this in one of my recent emails on tj permeability--it was once thought that tj permeability was totally genetic, but now I think they are saying there are other ways the tjs open, and maybe that is due to other genes than the one which affects 22 to 24%; OR maybe there were ways all along that tjs naturally opened without having that one gene.

Since I have been so busy the last 2 years, I have not gotten to keep up with the research as I once did, and am missing a large part of the info available. But, from the bits I recently picked up, it does sound like more than just one gene is, at least, involved. I am trying to keep an open-mind on it, but since tj permeability is something I know I have due to having CD, I also think it is linked to my having ES and I have seen proof of that in trying to treat myself supplementally. I think, since ES research noted tj involvement, early on, that it is likely a major cause for most, if not all, of us here on the forum; but on that account, I would even say still this is just theory. It remains to be proven, but there are alot of indicators pointing that direction.

Re slaying dragons--I am not trying to slay dragons, but I will fess up that over the years I have mentioned tj permeability here with the hope that a medical researcher would read it and be sparked to study it further with ES in mind. Until we can get some concrete proof medically, we will not likely get many to believe us or believe that emfs are direly affecting even a fraction of the population. How many teens do you know who would give up their cell phones to even preserve their health??? It is like guns, unfortunately; they will give them up when you pry them from their dead cold fingers.

Yes, almost everything about life is exponentially worse, these days. We are on a downhill roll and the ball gets bigger every inch we roll.

Brain cells; what brain cells? My brain is running on fumes from detoxing chemicals. ;)

Bless you, Lizzie; keep slaying those dragons,
Diane

--- On Sun, 6/5/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 2:23 PM

Well said.
You are right about the tight junction perm stuff. But somehow, I think that when all is said and done, the research is going to establish that everyone's membranes have been compromised. My understanding is that on a molecular level, when exposed to emf's, the cells shut down. That means nutrients can't get in to the cell, and toxins can't get out.
And then there's the mechanism behind wireless radiation. Put any micro toxin, be it mold, bacteria, etc in to the field of this radiation, and it will be amplified 600 times. So now there is the situation of toxins being multiplied hugely and exponentially. So possibly, anything the body views as an enemy, including what sets off celiac, is now multiplied many times over.
Do you see this? I do.
This explains the proliferation of candida, probably lyme disease, and just about every other toxin. Add that together with how wireless causes the body to go acidic (or in most cases, even more acidic) and its a recipe for disaster.
I love the brainstorming. Though i am sorry we had to meet this way- I do find it refreshing to talk to people that have brain cells still alive and kicking!
This goes for everyone on this site.
With my greatest respects to all of you. It may not seem like it, on some days, but we are all slaying the dragons!
LIzzie

To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 11:11:16 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Hi Lizzie,

No, I don't think it is coincidence that so many people are reacting to so much stuff. I think what is causing it is all the un-natural living we are trying to accomplish today-- all the chemicals, meds, emfs that never existed before.... You cannot even find "real" clothing today--the fibers, if they even are natural (and that is truly hard to find) are often dipped, wound, wrapped, sprayed, you name it, with un-natural chemicals. Same with our foods, furnishing, our air and soil....

I never did say gluten or celiac disease "caused" it--celiac disease has little to do with it. Peoples' genes (not celiac genes) but tj permeability genes, probably play a large part in how we react to things, however, NOBODY's genes were prepared for the onslaught of un-natural living we have been exposed to in the last 50 to 150 years. That said, what I *did* say was, *if* one has celiac disease or the tj permeability, they will not get any better unless they also address those. That is true for any body "injury" or illness. You can't expect good recovery from ES with a broken anything. Your body stress and pH will be "off" no matter what your injury is. However, what I often see here are people trying to selectively treat ES, like it is a special compartmentalized illness. It is not.

I do, however, personally feel *tight junction permeability leading to ion-channelopathy* is the cause of ES and many of the other miriad modern-day illnesses. And, by cause, I mean how the un-naturalness of living today, is able to affect some people while not others.

I only mentioned that I found the research on tj permeability due to the fact that I already had celiac disease and was searching for info on it; it was then that I saw there was a connection. The connection is not celiac disease, it is the tight junction permeability problem, which celiac disease and ES seem to, due to research, both have in common.

Does this clear up the discrepancy any in your mind? I hope so, because tight junctions were long known (since the 1990s) to be the only readily noticeable effect from emfs in ES research on ES people. Cell phone companies have been able to negate the effects of emfs on people due to their understanding and manipulation of this link.

Blessings,
Diane

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From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 9:28 PM

Diane,
Yea, that would be truly amazing if only 22-24 reacted to that. So, do you really think its a coincidence that some of us are "also" just happened to be allergic to mold?
It is true, I will grant that, that everyone has a weakness, a predispositon if you will.....not sure if I believe the gene theory stuff. There's new research that came out on mercola's site that blows that theory all to hell. But common sense tells us that everyone does have certain weakness in their unique immune systems. Some people like cold food, some can't eat spicey, some like lemon-aide, others hate it. Some have head-aches, some get stomach aches, some get back aches. This is all very real. Most - if not all of these problems- will probably be found, if looked for, to be rooted in a childhood exposure to some kind of toxic. Or a combination of toxins. Different combinations for different people would manifest in different and unique symptoms. And Celiac may be one of those.
However, just like when the combination of mercury and aluminum create something together, that is far more toxic then just the single toxin, emf's create a synergy that essentially creates the straw that breaks the camels back. It is the tipping point.
A room full of people.....can we find a room full of people and find ONE person who doesn't have ANY chronic health problems?
Anyone?
I rest my case. I think Celiac may just be another symptom of the puzzle. But its the symptom, not the cause.
Lizzie

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From: [hidden email]
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 16:21:55 -0700
Subject: Re: [eSens] Gluten

Hi, Lizzie,

Gliadin is actually the portion of glutens that celiacs are intolerant to. Peanuts and corn do not contain the gliadin fractions which affect celiacs. Celiacs do not tolerate wheat, rye, barley, and sometimes oats and millets (tho this is usually due to contamination in transporting or harvesting). There is actual research which went into determining what celiacs are intolerant to. And they know it is not mold which causes celiac disease, tho many celiacs, including me, are also intolerant to mold.

In order to have celiac disease, a celiac must have at least one celiac gene and one tight junction permeability gene, so it is quite possible that the "us" you are refering to are the 22 to 24% who also have the tight junction gene, which will cause numerous problems just by itself. Celiac disease is just one of the gluten intolerances. There are other gluten intolerance types, and also gluten allergy, which is also different than celiac disease.

But I totally agree with you on the subject of mold and the emfs which cause them to proliferate. It would be amazing that only 22 to 24% of the population would react to that! Truly.

My two cents,
Diane

--- On Wed, 6/1/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 7:20 PM

On the subject of gluten. Gluten products ie: wheat, peanuts, corn.....these are all crops that tend to be "moldy". Add into the fact that commercial bread making UPS the amt of gluten to make more bread. I think of Celiac disease as AN INTOLERANCE TO MOLD. Google Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt and READ what he says about when you put a micro toxin (be it viral, bacterial, or MOLD) into the field/exposure of EMF's, the micro toxin multiplies by 600%. Celiac is supposed to be "genetic", according to the mainstream medical industrial complex. Really? ARe we ALL related then? Because I know a ton of people who can't eat wheat products! And none of them have relatives with Celiac. Some might say, well, maybe the relatives just didn't know, weren't diagnosed...I've heard the same argument used to explain Autism. The only reason the numbers are soo high is due to better diagnostics. Some people actually believe the myth that Autism has always been around.
Hmmm.......Kind of makes me wonder what "they're smoking".
This is just one example of many. I had a damp moldy basement. When I got rid of wifi, wireless, ect....within days, my basement didn't smell tht nasty smell. I've had 3 electricians from 3 diff't companies tell me my basement was the cleanest smelling basement they'd ever been in. They said for them, it was normal business as usual to have to work in moldy smelling basements. Out here, most are michigan basements. That means only part of it is dug out. There are rooms- spaces with dirt.
I had a friend who lives on a farm, has 3 kids. Being stung by a bee is a normal occurrance. EXcept the one time that the little girls arm swelled all the way UP to her shoulder. Scared the pee out of her mom. The child hadn't eaten anything different. Nothing was changed in her diet, no new soap products were used. The ONLY THING THAT WAS DIFFERENT was that they had company over, who were using their
WIRELESS LAP THAT WEEKEND!! Normally, there was no wireless in their environment. *They were under the belief that the little stick on product their guests had put on their laptop to protect from radiation actually worked. As far as MOLD goes? I don't think the human body was designed to tolerate MOLD that has multiplied by 600%.
Something to think about.
Lizzie

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RE: Gluten

I should have stated in the first paragraph of this email that a *negative* blood or gene test doesn't necessarily mean anything in individual cases. I neglected to include the word negative. A positive test would mean something! Sorry, not all brain cells are doing their jobs today. lol

Diane

--- On Sat, 6/18/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 18, 2011, 1:52 PM

Hi again, Lizzie,

This is a rather off-topic subject, so those here who are not interested in celiac disease/ tight junctions should not read further. (Well, maybe read the last paragraph.) I would generally answer a post like this privately, but since celiac disease is related in a round about way to tight junction permeability and to ES, I have opted to answer this on open forum. (Mainly since, we may find in the future, a similar disconnect with ES not being easy to diagnose according to medical parameters initially put in place; and ESsers need to be aware that a blood or gene test does not necessarily prove anything in individual cases.)

A fact that is generally not known is that blood tests for any disease are never 100% accurate. For instance, my mother was dxed with myasthenia gravis. The test used had only an 89% accuracy rate. If she had failed that test, she could have still been one of the 11% remaining with myastenia gravis, who were not picked up on the test. When docs tested me for MG, they ran the same test. It came back negative, and they pronounced me MG free (2 different docs!), even tho I had copious symptoms which could have been consistent with the disease. I later had additional testing which found me negative for MG, tho I was never told by the docs who did the original tests that I should have further testing. They pronounced me MG-free, as tho the test was completely definitive!

On the specific subject of celiac research, researchers do know that what is "medically" considered celiac disease, occurs in about 1 out of 100 people in the US, per blood bank testing. [But understand that not anywhere near 1 out of 100 people have actually been dxed with celiac disease.] The genes for 1 in 100 are accounted for, but the researchers also know that there are a few who have the specific requirement to qualify for cd, who have no known gene for cd. Understand that celiac disease is a very specific disorder--particular lesions in the small intestine which are specific to tight junction damage to the small intestine; period. In other words, celiac disease is not the many symptoms it manifests, but ONLY the lesions it causes in the small intestine. If you think celiac disease is about the symptoms, it is not; it is solely based on the small intestinal lesions and findings.

If you are talking about, however, why so many with celiac symptoms are not dxed, then you are talking a slightly different subject, and a very complicated subject. The reasons this happens are many and varied.....

Sometimes, people (and I was one), don't pass the blood tests for cd. There are cases for which the blood tests appear within normal parameters for cd, however, what has happened is the person has had cd for so long that they no longer elicit the correct abnormal chemistry to qualify as positive on the tests.

There are other cases in which the person suspecting celiac disease has already gone totally or partially gluten-free, which skews the test (the gluten-free diet essentially heals you to the point you have no cd).

Then there are people who, having failed the blood tests, opt for a small intestinal endoscopy, but the doctor doing the test fails to recognise the proper lesions, and takes biopsies of only 1 to 3 OTHER lesions, which then come back as not positive for celiac disease. DUH!!! [Yes, some docs only take 1 to 3 samples!]

My very celiac aware doctor took 12 biopsy samples and all 12 came back as positive for cd (he knew what to look for). Now the standard is to take 24 samples, if that many lesions exist, but some doctors still go in and take only 1 to 3, and don't know what they are supposed to be looking for in the first place.

There are a few celiacs who, having done all the gene testing and all the blood testing, do still have celiac type lesions. This happens rather rarely, but it does happen. The researchers thought a few years ago that when this happened, the person perhaps did have a yet undiscovered gene. (Know that there are multiple celiac genes, not just 1 gene, which must be tested for in a celiac. Gene testing is pricey, especially since most tests only test for 2 or 3 of the most common cd genes.) So this is yet another reason why cd might be missed as a dx.

Most people who suspect cd do not know all of this, they have a blood test or a gene test and that comes back negative for celiac disease, and they *think* this is the definitive answer. This is not at all so. This is also why you see so many people who put themselves on the gf diet without a dx at all. But this in no way implies cd is not genetic, it simply implies cd is hard to get a proper dx for.

Most of the symptoms which celiacs have are very non-specific. Most are not even primary symptoms, but secondary and tertiary (or further) symptoms. Primary symptoms would be only the tj damage, to include the small intestine, bbb, and sometimes some organs, and cilli blunting in the small intestine. Secondary symptoms are all the nutrient deficiencies, leading to yet more issues--osteoporosis, anemias, etc; and foreign invaders--aberrant gut bugs, viruses, etc, and chemical and toxic substances, which also lead to yet further problems, such as mast cell proliferation, MCS, etc. Both the nutrient deficiencies and the invaders/ foreign substances are directly caused by the tight junction permeability. So, you see, ES could, by opening up the tight junctions, perhaps accomplish exactly the same symptoms. The only difference might be that glutens attack the gut first, while EMFs appear to attack the brain first.

Diane

--- On Sun, 6/12/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 5:47 PM

Well said.
Research when done ethically, does contribute hugely in areas of healing. Genuine indepedent research, not funded by the same companies who want to prove a product safe...is priceless!
But one little caveat on the celiac issue. How do you explain those who DON"T have the gene, who have exactly the same symtpms and intolerance? OR how to you prove that these people were actually BORN with that gene?
It seems to me that I have read that some substances, products, etc like genetically modified foods, for example, can turn off or on certain genes. This opens the possibility that people can "show" the gene, but to prove to they were BORN with it....would be virtually impossible in most circumstances.
You see what I mean? It seems to me, that in order to say something is "genetic or inherited", you'd have to know for absolute sure, that the person was indeed born with it. And unless tests were done at birth to ascertain this, then it kind of blows the whole "gene" theory, when genetically modified foods can change the genes, and turn certain genes on or off.
Just brain stormng here.
Lizzie
And yes, I wholeheartedly agree, that the solution is easy if one knows there are plenty of substitutes like: quinoa, amaranth, rice, spelt (although it does have gluten, it is of a different kind, so many can tolerate this, including us).
MOst colleges for premed, med, ect are funded by the pharmeceutical companies...so its not too hard to see how easy it is for them to manipulate the education.
Research is vital....I wouldn't have learned as much as I have, were it not for me doing my own research. I just make sure that my sources are clean.
Lizzie
And there always wonderful surprises, like George CArlos, who was the one who was paid 25 milion by the cell phone industry to prove cell phones were safe...and he not only proved the opposite, but refused to be bought off.

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From: [hidden email]
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:11:40 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Hi again, Lizzie,

Perhaps you are right about people in general thinking genetics limit healing. But, I think this is where people like you and me (and other open-minded thinkers) differ. We do not see boundaries set on our health due to genetics (or for any reason), nor should we. Yes, genetics play a part, but they do not tell the entire story.

Take celiac disease, for instance. It is a done deal that cd is genetic. However, how is it treated? Not by some dangerous surgery or by a dangerous drug. It is treated merely by the choice of foods you eat. Not all with cd want to give up their deliciously wicked cinnamon buns. However, if they ever really tried it, they'd find they like the alternatives much better. I hear cases and know cases personally of people with cd who do not go completely gf. That is their choice, but they know the risk. There is a difference between being truly naive and being resistant to truth. People who are resistant to truth don't need genetics to limit their thinking. Any little excuse will do.

I guess I do have a bias here, Lizzie. I was partially trained in pre-med (I had to drop out of uni my senior year due to health issues) and while I was in school, I was a lab-rat--learning the ropes on how to conduct research studies. I believe in research. Most research docs are truly looking for truth. [Research docs are an entirely different mind-set than medical docs.] I contribute my time in the lab as a large reason I have been able to retain an open-mind. I learned to do that during my training; this is research rule # 1! I agree that there are many researchers who are paid off or in it for their own nepherious reasons--and I also agree the AMA--medical doctors, as a whole-- are way off track. Often this has to do with their training, unfortunately, and that I also saw to a degree when I was in school. [Biased and narrow-mindedly hanging onto out-dated, out-moded information and facts and seeing chemicals as the
only relevant treatments were alot of it. Nowhere was this more true than in the areas of nutritional and psychological training that medical doctors received.]

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, Lizzie. Research is how we uncover ways to heal ourselves. Keep an open mind on that, too. I think you will soon see research which does us justice.

Diane

--- On Sun, 6/12/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 11:23 AM

You are so very welcome...just a reminder. All of us who retain the ability to "question" to "seek knowledge"....are living examples of victors- I prefer to use that phrase over just merely being survivors.
Leaky gut syndrome, yes, have friends with this. Probiotics are the best way to heal the gut. (*Mercola) and of course, avoidance.
As for me? I tend to question studies and anything that comes from mainstream medicine. Klinghardt's research is stellar! But he is not a mainstream parrot.
I think of all those such as: Mercola, Klinghardt, Blaylock, Sircus, Barry Durant-Peatsfield, and others...as all contributing "pieces" to the puzzle. (And I haven't even listed the ES contributors, and this includes various informational sources on house wiring which is paramount to healing ES, as I would bet that many ES ers either live, or have lived in badly WIRED houses.
This whole thing is like peeling away the layers of an onion, or peeling, stripping layers upon layers of old wallpaper.
Thru all of this, it is of vital importance to support the thyroid and adrenal glands. And anyone relying on thryoid blood tests needs to realize that they are putting their faith in the same system that sanctions: chemo, vaccines, fluoride in the water, silver fillings, prescription drugs that treat only the symptoms and more often then not, are toxic,....these are just a few examples of misplaced faith in a broken by design system. (*as in deliberately designed to not help...and in many cases, intentionally poison!)
And might i add the same system who deliberately decided to use the same frequency for cell phone as is the body!) These are not examples of incompetence/ nor are they coincidences!
ONe problem with the "gene" theory is that it tends to limit people's ability to even believe they CAN heal their bodies.
Take for example the true amount of people today who are Diabetic or borderline Diabetic. ARe we to believe that more then half of the population is genetically pre disposed to Diabetes?
It's the old argument: Genetics versus Environment. Which one has more power? Which one is more prevelant? Which one does the real evidence support? Take a piece of paper, draw a line down the middle. One column for clean environment. The other lists environmental, outside factors. This would include: badly wired houses, silver fillings, vaccines, pesticides, fake food, MSG, moldy crops, bad drinking water, cooking with teflon pans, microwved food, mothers who had a mouth full of mercury silver fillings, wireless technology in the house, and the list is endless. Which side do you think would fill the page?
Food for fodder.
Lizzie
P.S. All of us are truly enlightened intelluctual warriors who are steadfast in our determination to continue to slay the dragons. That MAKES US MAGNIFICENT PEOPLE!
We could have given up, stuck our heads back in the sand, played the denial till it killed us. BUT WE CHOSE NOT TO!

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From: [hidden email]
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:47:27 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Thanks for the flattery, Lizzie. ;)

I needed that on a day my brain has felt ready to go belly-up. lol I hope you are right. You should have known me when I actually did have brain cells! lol

I don't know whether anything has changed recently on the tight junction front as it pertains to genetics, but it used to be known [or at least widely publicised as tho it were known] that the MYD88 gene was what allowed tight junction permeability. There are also claudens genes involved. CLDN 5 and CLDN 8, I think, but I could be wrong as to the numbers--this was 3 years ago, at least, that I read it.

When they are talking about the BBB leaking or "opening up", what they mean is the tjs in that location, the BBB, are opening up. There are tjs thruout the body. [Okay, sorry; reading further you already knew that! ;) ] Celiac disease is known to open at least tjs in the small intestine, the BBB, the liver, heart, and lungs (that is to say, in susceptible people, gliaden--the gluten fraction which causes the damage in cd--opens up tjs in those places).

You will likely only read the genetics involved in this on very select sites. Maybe Dr Goldsworthy would make reference to it. I only read about this on research studies, themselves; however, I also knew beforehand that celiac disease is genetic, so it was an easy jump for me to pick up small references to tj permeability being genetic.

Oh you are right that emfs open more than the BBB! I believe it is already known they open organs and the gut. I have read that at Dr Goldsworthy's site, at least. I think also I read that at Dr. Klingenhardt's site. I have heard emfs also open skin cells. Whether all of this is fact, I do not know. I mean, I do not know if the research for this exists. I do know it is likely, since cd research has proven much of it is so with gliaden.

I know I personally have gut permeability occasionally from particular emf exposures. I can sometimes feel it happening. I also have proof of this because the next day what food goes in, comes out of my body very quickly--in hours--mostly undigested. I have gone weeks sometimes with undigested food to some degree or another. This is what leads to nutritional deficiencies in celiacs, so it would likely be the same when it happens due to emfs.

My 2 cents worth again, ;)
Diane

--- On Sun, 6/5/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 6:37 PM

Diane,
Oh you got brain cells working and then some!
As for slaying the dragons? Its all a state of mind. The words we speak have much power.
As for research...well, so far, the research shows that wireless radiation opens the blood brain barrier. To date, I've not read anywhere that this is gene related. My working theory is that other membranes are opened as well. And think about this: Vit D controlls something like 2000 genes. Most if not all unhealth is caused from nutritional deficiencies and toxic over load. Which comes first is like asking the chicken and the egg question. Because one opens the door to the other. So say a person is way low on their Vit D...this would result in many genes not working or being turned on. This would also prevent the body from absorbing Vit D, which controls those 2000 genes. Add an insult like calcium effflux, where wireless radiation causes the body to lose calcium, and a whole nother cascade of down cycling of the immune system occurs. And look at the amt of people with sensitive stomaches, there's another example of membrane damage and candida
over-growth.
**I agree with you totally. I believe that tj permeability does play a huge role in ES. Every cell has a membrane. So maybe it all comes back to cellular damage at the molecular level, which occurs in many different sites and areas...which might explain the diversity of ES symptoms. Where the damage is most visible is where the weakness happens to be in that particular person.
I believe that everyone is effected....
As for the non believers? They seem to fall into two categories, to my way of thinking. Either they have a vested interest in trying to keep this science from getting out there. Or they belong in the category of those who are too toxic and do not have enough brain function to absorb the information. They are like shadow people. Physically, they are there- but emotionally, mentally, intelluctually, they are blank. They are capable of doing things by route, often have trouble with short term memory, and very often, are unable to take in new information. Inside of this category, are also the "gullible people". These are a subset who only believe what they see or read on the prime time news. They are not capable and are possibly too brainswashed to think for themselves.
And that's putting it nicely.
LIzze

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From: [hidden email]
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 14:06:19 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Hi again, Lizzie,

Oh yes, I agree that emfs and toxins galore affect all. What I differ from you in is I think there are multiple problems accomplishing this. I think most ES, as we know it, has its cause in tight junction permeability. I think other people react to these emfs and toxins in less noticeable, but sometimes worse, ways--cancers, for instance--but that may not be tight junction caused. Or maybe it is--I eluded to this in one of my recent emails on tj permeability--it was once thought that tj permeability was totally genetic, but now I think they are saying there are other ways the tjs open, and maybe that is due to other genes than the one which affects 22 to 24%; OR maybe there were ways all along that tjs naturally opened without having that one gene.

Since I have been so busy the last 2 years, I have not gotten to keep up with the research as I once did, and am missing a large part of the info available. But, from the bits I recently picked up, it does sound like more than just one gene is, at least, involved. I am trying to keep an open-mind on it, but since tj permeability is something I know I have due to having CD, I also think it is linked to my having ES and I have seen proof of that in trying to treat myself supplementally. I think, since ES research noted tj involvement, early on, that it is likely a major cause for most, if not all, of us here on the forum; but on that account, I would even say still this is just theory. It remains to be proven, but there are alot of indicators pointing that direction.

Re slaying dragons--I am not trying to slay dragons, but I will fess up that over the years I have mentioned tj permeability here with the hope that a medical researcher would read it and be sparked to study it further with ES in mind. Until we can get some concrete proof medically, we will not likely get many to believe us or believe that emfs are direly affecting even a fraction of the population. How many teens do you know who would give up their cell phones to even preserve their health??? It is like guns, unfortunately; they will give them up when you pry them from their dead cold fingers.

Yes, almost everything about life is exponentially worse, these days. We are on a downhill roll and the ball gets bigger every inch we roll.

Brain cells; what brain cells? My brain is running on fumes from detoxing chemicals. ;)

Bless you, Lizzie; keep slaying those dragons,
Diane

--- On Sun, 6/5/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 2:23 PM

Well said.
You are right about the tight junction perm stuff. But somehow, I think that when all is said and done, the research is going to establish that everyone's membranes have been compromised. My understanding is that on a molecular level, when exposed to emf's, the cells shut down. That means nutrients can't get in to the cell, and toxins can't get out.
And then there's the mechanism behind wireless radiation. Put any micro toxin, be it mold, bacteria, etc in to the field of this radiation, and it will be amplified 600 times. So now there is the situation of toxins being multiplied hugely and exponentially. So possibly, anything the body views as an enemy, including what sets off celiac, is now multiplied many times over.
Do you see this? I do.
This explains the proliferation of candida, probably lyme disease, and just about every other toxin. Add that together with how wireless causes the body to go acidic (or in most cases, even more acidic) and its a recipe for disaster.
I love the brainstorming. Though i am sorry we had to meet this way- I do find it refreshing to talk to people that have brain cells still alive and kicking!
This goes for everyone on this site.
With my greatest respects to all of you. It may not seem like it, on some days, but we are all slaying the dragons!
LIzzie

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From: [hidden email]
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 11:11:16 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Hi Lizzie,

No, I don't think it is coincidence that so many people are reacting to so much stuff. I think what is causing it is all the un-natural living we are trying to accomplish today-- all the chemicals, meds, emfs that never existed before.... You cannot even find "real" clothing today--the fibers, if they even are natural (and that is truly hard to find) are often dipped, wound, wrapped, sprayed, you name it, with un-natural chemicals. Same with our foods, furnishing, our air and soil....

I never did say gluten or celiac disease "caused" it--celiac disease has little to do with it. Peoples' genes (not celiac genes) but tj permeability genes, probably play a large part in how we react to things, however, NOBODY's genes were prepared for the onslaught of un-natural living we have been exposed to in the last 50 to 150 years. That said, what I *did* say was, *if* one has celiac disease or the tj permeability, they will not get any better unless they also address those. That is true for any body "injury" or illness. You can't expect good recovery from ES with a broken anything. Your body stress and pH will be "off" no matter what your injury is. However, what I often see here are people trying to selectively treat ES, like it is a special compartmentalized illness. It is not.

I do, however, personally feel *tight junction permeability leading to ion-channelopathy* is the cause of ES and many of the other miriad modern-day illnesses. And, by cause, I mean how the un-naturalness of living today, is able to affect some people while not others.

I only mentioned that I found the research on tj permeability due to the fact that I already had celiac disease and was searching for info on it; it was then that I saw there was a connection. The connection is not celiac disease, it is the tight junction permeability problem, which celiac disease and ES seem to, due to research, both have in common.

Does this clear up the discrepancy any in your mind? I hope so, because tight junctions were long known (since the 1990s) to be the only readily noticeable effect from emfs in ES research on ES people. Cell phone companies have been able to negate the effects of emfs on people due to their understanding and manipulation of this link.

Blessings,
Diane

--- On Sat, 6/4/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 9:28 PM

Diane,
Yea, that would be truly amazing if only 22-24 reacted to that. So, do you really think its a coincidence that some of us are "also" just happened to be allergic to mold?
It is true, I will grant that, that everyone has a weakness, a predispositon if you will.....not sure if I believe the gene theory stuff. There's new research that came out on mercola's site that blows that theory all to hell. But common sense tells us that everyone does have certain weakness in their unique immune systems. Some people like cold food, some can't eat spicey, some like lemon-aide, others hate it. Some have head-aches, some get stomach aches, some get back aches. This is all very real. Most - if not all of these problems- will probably be found, if looked for, to be rooted in a childhood exposure to some kind of toxic. Or a combination of toxins. Different combinations for different people would manifest in different and unique symptoms. And Celiac may be one of those.
However, just like when the combination of mercury and aluminum create something together, that is far more toxic then just the single toxin, emf's create a synergy that essentially creates the straw that breaks the camels back. It is the tipping point.
A room full of people.....can we find a room full of people and find ONE person who doesn't have ANY chronic health problems?
Anyone?
I rest my case. I think Celiac may just be another symptom of the puzzle. But its the symptom, not the cause.
Lizzie

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Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 16:21:55 -0700
Subject: Re: [eSens] Gluten

Hi, Lizzie,

Gliadin is actually the portion of glutens that celiacs are intolerant to. Peanuts and corn do not contain the gliadin fractions which affect celiacs. Celiacs do not tolerate wheat, rye, barley, and sometimes oats and millets (tho this is usually due to contamination in transporting or harvesting). There is actual research which went into determining what celiacs are intolerant to. And they know it is not mold which causes celiac disease, tho many celiacs, including me, are also intolerant to mold.

In order to have celiac disease, a celiac must have at least one celiac gene and one tight junction permeability gene, so it is quite possible that the "us" you are refering to are the 22 to 24% who also have the tight junction gene, which will cause numerous problems just by itself. Celiac disease is just one of the gluten intolerances. There are other gluten intolerance types, and also gluten allergy, which is also different than celiac disease.

But I totally agree with you on the subject of mold and the emfs which cause them to proliferate. It would be amazing that only 22 to 24% of the population would react to that! Truly.

My two cents,
Diane

--- On Wed, 6/1/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 7:20 PM

On the subject of gluten. Gluten products ie: wheat, peanuts, corn.....these are all crops that tend to be "moldy". Add into the fact that commercial bread making UPS the amt of gluten to make more bread. I think of Celiac disease as AN INTOLERANCE TO MOLD. Google Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt and READ what he says about when you put a micro toxin (be it viral, bacterial, or MOLD) into the field/exposure of EMF's, the micro toxin multiplies by 600%. Celiac is supposed to be "genetic", according to the mainstream medical industrial complex. Really? ARe we ALL related then? Because I know a ton of people who can't eat wheat products! And none of them have relatives with Celiac. Some might say, well, maybe the relatives just didn't know, weren't diagnosed...I've heard the same argument used to explain Autism. The only reason the numbers are soo high is due to better diagnostics. Some people actually believe the myth that Autism has always been around.
Hmmm.......Kind of makes me wonder what "they're smoking".
This is just one example of many. I had a damp moldy basement. When I got rid of wifi, wireless, ect....within days, my basement didn't smell tht nasty smell. I've had 3 electricians from 3 diff't companies tell me my basement was the cleanest smelling basement they'd ever been in. They said for them, it was normal business as usual to have to work in moldy smelling basements. Out here, most are michigan basements. That means only part of it is dug out. There are rooms- spaces with dirt.
I had a friend who lives on a farm, has 3 kids. Being stung by a bee is a normal occurrance. EXcept the one time that the little girls arm swelled all the way UP to her shoulder. Scared the pee out of her mom. The child hadn't eaten anything different. Nothing was changed in her diet, no new soap products were used. The ONLY THING THAT WAS DIFFERENT was that they had company over, who were using their
WIRELESS LAP THAT WEEKEND!! Normally, there was no wireless in their environment. *They were under the belief that the little stick on product their guests had put on their laptop to protect from radiation actually worked. As far as MOLD goes? I don't think the human body was designed to tolerate MOLD that has multiplied by 600%.
Something to think about.
Lizzie

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RE: Gluten

Wow. Sounds like you went thru the whole circus...
That must have been a terrible ordeal. What would you tell someone today...knowing what you've learned- after going thru all of that.
Seems to me, that the process would be: first the primary care doctor, then the recommendation/prescription for the specialist, then the wait for the appointment for the specialist, then the scheduling of new testing, another appt, then testing, then the wait for the results, then the consultation on the results, the recommendation for treatment, then another consultation for treatment. Knowing what you know today...would you short cut any of that? Because it seems to me, from point A, suffering, to point E? F, G, more suffering....by the time any healing gets done...there's been a window of on going damage.
Lizzie

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From: [hidden email]
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:55:49 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

I should have stated in the first paragraph of this email that a *negative* blood or gene test doesn't necessarily mean anything in individual cases. I neglected to include the word negative. A positive test would mean something! Sorry, not all brain cells are doing their jobs today. lol

Diane

--- On Sat, 6/18/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 18, 2011, 1:52 PM

Hi again, Lizzie,

This is a rather off-topic subject, so those here who are not interested in celiac disease/ tight junctions should not read further. (Well, maybe read the last paragraph.) I would generally answer a post like this privately, but since celiac disease is related in a round about way to tight junction permeability and to ES, I have opted to answer this on open forum. (Mainly since, we may find in the future, a similar disconnect with ES not being easy to diagnose according to medical parameters initially put in place; and ESsers need to be aware that a blood or gene test does not necessarily prove anything in individual cases.)

A fact that is generally not known is that blood tests for any disease are never 100% accurate. For instance, my mother was dxed with myasthenia gravis. The test used had only an 89% accuracy rate. If she had failed that test, she could have still been one of the 11% remaining with myastenia gravis, who were not picked up on the test. When docs tested me for MG, they ran the same test. It came back negative, and they pronounced me MG free (2 different docs!), even tho I had copious symptoms which could have been consistent with the disease. I later had additional testing which found me negative for MG, tho I was never told by the docs who did the original tests that I should have further testing. They pronounced me MG-free, as tho the test was completely definitive!

On the specific subject of celiac research, researchers do know that what is "medically" considered celiac disease, occurs in about 1 out of 100 people in the US, per blood bank testing. [But understand that not anywhere near 1 out of 100 people have actually been dxed with celiac disease.] The genes for 1 in 100 are accounted for, but the researchers also know that there are a few who have the specific requirement to qualify for cd, who have no known gene for cd. Understand that celiac disease is a very specific disorder--particular lesions in the small intestine which are specific to tight junction damage to the small intestine; period. In other words, celiac disease is not the many symptoms it manifests, but ONLY the lesions it causes in the small intestine. If you think celiac disease is about the symptoms, it is not; it is solely based on the small intestinal lesions and findings.

If you are talking about, however, why so many with celiac symptoms are not dxed, then you are talking a slightly different subject, and a very complicated subject. The reasons this happens are many and varied.....

Sometimes, people (and I was one), don't pass the blood tests for cd. There are cases for which the blood tests appear within normal parameters for cd, however, what has happened is the person has had cd for so long that they no longer elicit the correct abnormal chemistry to qualify as positive on the tests.

There are other cases in which the person suspecting celiac disease has already gone totally or partially gluten-free, which skews the test (the gluten-free diet essentially heals you to the point you have no cd).

Then there are people who, having failed the blood tests, opt for a small intestinal endoscopy, but the doctor doing the test fails to recognise the proper lesions, and takes biopsies of only 1 to 3 OTHER lesions, which then come back as not positive for celiac disease. DUH!!! [Yes, some docs only take 1 to 3 samples!]

My very celiac aware doctor took 12 biopsy samples and all 12 came back as positive for cd (he knew what to look for). Now the standard is to take 24 samples, if that many lesions exist, but some doctors still go in and take only 1 to 3, and don't know what they are supposed to be looking for in the first place.

There are a few celiacs who, having done all the gene testing and all the blood testing, do still have celiac type lesions. This happens rather rarely, but it does happen. The researchers thought a few years ago that when this happened, the person perhaps did have a yet undiscovered gene. (Know that there are multiple celiac genes, not just 1 gene, which must be tested for in a celiac. Gene testing is pricey, especially since most tests only test for 2 or 3 of the most common cd genes.) So this is yet another reason why cd might be missed as a dx.

Most people who suspect cd do not know all of this, they have a blood test or a gene test and that comes back negative for celiac disease, and they *think* this is the definitive answer. This is not at all so. This is also why you see so many people who put themselves on the gf diet without a dx at all. But this in no way implies cd is not genetic, it simply implies cd is hard to get a proper dx for.

Most of the symptoms which celiacs have are very non-specific. Most are not even primary symptoms, but secondary and tertiary (or further) symptoms. Primary symptoms would be only the tj damage, to include the small intestine, bbb, and sometimes some organs, and cilli blunting in the small intestine. Secondary symptoms are all the nutrient deficiencies, leading to yet more issues--osteoporosis, anemias, etc; and foreign invaders--aberrant gut bugs, viruses, etc, and chemical and toxic substances, which also lead to yet further problems, such as mast cell proliferation, MCS, etc. Both the nutrient deficiencies and the invaders/ foreign substances are directly caused by the tight junction permeability. So, you see, ES could, by opening up the tight junctions, perhaps accomplish exactly the same symptoms. The only difference might be that glutens attack the gut first, while EMFs appear to attack the brain first.

Diane

--- On Sun, 6/12/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 5:47 PM

Well said.
Research when done ethically, does contribute hugely in areas of healing. Genuine indepedent research, not funded by the same companies who want to prove a product safe...is priceless!
But one little caveat on the celiac issue. How do you explain those who DON"T have the gene, who have exactly the same symtpms and intolerance? OR how to you prove that these people were actually BORN with that gene?
It seems to me that I have read that some substances, products, etc like genetically modified foods, for example, can turn off or on certain genes. This opens the possibility that people can "show" the gene, but to prove to they were BORN with it....would be virtually impossible in most circumstances.
You see what I mean? It seems to me, that in order to say something is "genetic or inherited", you'd have to know for absolute sure, that the person was indeed born with it. And unless tests were done at birth to ascertain this, then it kind of blows the whole "gene" theory, when genetically modified foods can change the genes, and turn certain genes on or off.
Just brain stormng here.
Lizzie
And yes, I wholeheartedly agree, that the solution is easy if one knows there are plenty of substitutes like: quinoa, amaranth, rice, spelt (although it does have gluten, it is of a different kind, so many can tolerate this, including us).
MOst colleges for premed, med, ect are funded by the pharmeceutical companies...so its not too hard to see how easy it is for them to manipulate the education.
Research is vital....I wouldn't have learned as much as I have, were it not for me doing my own research. I just make sure that my sources are clean.
Lizzie
And there always wonderful surprises, like George CArlos, who was the one who was paid 25 milion by the cell phone industry to prove cell phones were safe...and he not only proved the opposite, but refused to be bought off.

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From: [hidden email]
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:11:40 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Hi again, Lizzie,

Perhaps you are right about people in general thinking genetics limit healing. But, I think this is where people like you and me (and other open-minded thinkers) differ. We do not see boundaries set on our health due to genetics (or for any reason), nor should we. Yes, genetics play a part, but they do not tell the entire story.

Take celiac disease, for instance. It is a done deal that cd is genetic. However, how is it treated? Not by some dangerous surgery or by a dangerous drug. It is treated merely by the choice of foods you eat. Not all with cd want to give up their deliciously wicked cinnamon buns. However, if they ever really tried it, they'd find they like the alternatives much better. I hear cases and know cases personally of people with cd who do not go completely gf. That is their choice, but they know the risk. There is a difference between being truly naive and being resistant to truth. People who are resistant to truth don't need genetics to limit their thinking. Any little excuse will do.

I guess I do have a bias here, Lizzie. I was partially trained in pre-med (I had to drop out of uni my senior year due to health issues) and while I was in school, I was a lab-rat--learning the ropes on how to conduct research studies. I believe in research. Most research docs are truly looking for truth. [Research docs are an entirely different mind-set than medical docs.] I contribute my time in the lab as a large reason I have been able to retain an open-mind. I learned to do that during my training; this is research rule # 1! I agree that there are many researchers who are paid off or in it for their own nepherious reasons--and I also agree the AMA--medical doctors, as a whole-- are way off track. Often this has to do with their training, unfortunately, and that I also saw to a degree when I was in school. [Biased and narrow-mindedly hanging onto out-dated, out-moded information and facts and seeing chemicals as the
only relevant treatments were alot of it. Nowhere was this more true than in the areas of nutritional and psychological training that medical doctors received.]

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, Lizzie. Research is how we uncover ways to heal ourselves. Keep an open mind on that, too. I think you will soon see research which does us justice.

Diane

--- On Sun, 6/12/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 11:23 AM

You are so very welcome...just a reminder. All of us who retain the ability to "question" to "seek knowledge"....are living examples of victors- I prefer to use that phrase over just merely being survivors.
Leaky gut syndrome, yes, have friends with this. Probiotics are the best way to heal the gut. (*Mercola) and of course, avoidance.
As for me? I tend to question studies and anything that comes from mainstream medicine. Klinghardt's research is stellar! But he is not a mainstream parrot.
I think of all those such as: Mercola, Klinghardt, Blaylock, Sircus, Barry Durant-Peatsfield, and others...as all contributing "pieces" to the puzzle. (And I haven't even listed the ES contributors, and this includes various informational sources on house wiring which is paramount to healing ES, as I would bet that many ES ers either live, or have lived in badly WIRED houses.
This whole thing is like peeling away the layers of an onion, or peeling, stripping layers upon layers of old wallpaper.
Thru all of this, it is of vital importance to support the thyroid and adrenal glands. And anyone relying on thryoid blood tests needs to realize that they are putting their faith in the same system that sanctions: chemo, vaccines, fluoride in the water, silver fillings, prescription drugs that treat only the symptoms and more often then not, are toxic,....these are just a few examples of misplaced faith in a broken by design system. (*as in deliberately designed to not help...and in many cases, intentionally poison!)
And might i add the same system who deliberately decided to use the same frequency for cell phone as is the body!) These are not examples of incompetence/ nor are they coincidences!
ONe problem with the "gene" theory is that it tends to limit people's ability to even believe they CAN heal their bodies.
Take for example the true amount of people today who are Diabetic or borderline Diabetic. ARe we to believe that more then half of the population is genetically pre disposed to Diabetes?
It's the old argument: Genetics versus Environment. Which one has more power? Which one is more prevelant? Which one does the real evidence support? Take a piece of paper, draw a line down the middle. One column for clean environment. The other lists environmental, outside factors. This would include: badly wired houses, silver fillings, vaccines, pesticides, fake food, MSG, moldy crops, bad drinking water, cooking with teflon pans, microwved food, mothers who had a mouth full of mercury silver fillings, wireless technology in the house, and the list is endless. Which side do you think would fill the page?
Food for fodder.
Lizzie
P.S. All of us are truly enlightened intelluctual warriors who are steadfast in our determination to continue to slay the dragons. That MAKES US MAGNIFICENT PEOPLE!
We could have given up, stuck our heads back in the sand, played the denial till it killed us. BUT WE CHOSE NOT TO!

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From: [hidden email]
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:47:27 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Thanks for the flattery, Lizzie. ;)

I needed that on a day my brain has felt ready to go belly-up. lol I hope you are right. You should have known me when I actually did have brain cells! lol

I don't know whether anything has changed recently on the tight junction front as it pertains to genetics, but it used to be known [or at least widely publicised as tho it were known] that the MYD88 gene was what allowed tight junction permeability. There are also claudens genes involved. CLDN 5 and CLDN 8, I think, but I could be wrong as to the numbers--this was 3 years ago, at least, that I read it.

When they are talking about the BBB leaking or "opening up", what they mean is the tjs in that location, the BBB, are opening up. There are tjs thruout the body. [Okay, sorry; reading further you already knew that! ;) ] Celiac disease is known to open at least tjs in the small intestine, the BBB, the liver, heart, and lungs (that is to say, in susceptible people, gliaden--the gluten fraction which causes the damage in cd--opens up tjs in those places).

You will likely only read the genetics involved in this on very select sites. Maybe Dr Goldsworthy would make reference to it. I only read about this on research studies, themselves; however, I also knew beforehand that celiac disease is genetic, so it was an easy jump for me to pick up small references to tj permeability being genetic.

Oh you are right that emfs open more than the BBB! I believe it is already known they open organs and the gut. I have read that at Dr Goldsworthy's site, at least. I think also I read that at Dr. Klingenhardt's site. I have heard emfs also open skin cells. Whether all of this is fact, I do not know. I mean, I do not know if the research for this exists. I do know it is likely, since cd research has proven much of it is so with gliaden.

I know I personally have gut permeability occasionally from particular emf exposures. I can sometimes feel it happening. I also have proof of this because the next day what food goes in, comes out of my body very quickly--in hours--mostly undigested. I have gone weeks sometimes with undigested food to some degree or another. This is what leads to nutritional deficiencies in celiacs, so it would likely be the same when it happens due to emfs.

My 2 cents worth again, ;)
Diane

--- On Sun, 6/5/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 6:37 PM

Diane,
Oh you got brain cells working and then some!
As for slaying the dragons? Its all a state of mind. The words we speak have much power.
As for research...well, so far, the research shows that wireless radiation opens the blood brain barrier. To date, I've not read anywhere that this is gene related. My working theory is that other membranes are opened as well. And think about this: Vit D controlls something like 2000 genes. Most if not all unhealth is caused from nutritional deficiencies and toxic over load. Which comes first is like asking the chicken and the egg question. Because one opens the door to the other. So say a person is way low on their Vit D...this would result in many genes not working or being turned on. This would also prevent the body from absorbing Vit D, which controls those 2000 genes. Add an insult like calcium effflux, where wireless radiation causes the body to lose calcium, and a whole nother cascade of down cycling of the immune system occurs. And look at the amt of people with sensitive stomaches, there's another example of membrane damage and candida
over-growth.
**I agree with you totally. I believe that tj permeability does play a huge role in ES. Every cell has a membrane. So maybe it all comes back to cellular damage at the molecular level, which occurs in many different sites and areas...which might explain the diversity of ES symptoms. Where the damage is most visible is where the weakness happens to be in that particular person.
I believe that everyone is effected....
As for the non believers? They seem to fall into two categories, to my way of thinking. Either they have a vested interest in trying to keep this science from getting out there. Or they belong in the category of those who are too toxic and do not have enough brain function to absorb the information. They are like shadow people. Physically, they are there- but emotionally, mentally, intelluctually, they are blank. They are capable of doing things by route, often have trouble with short term memory, and very often, are unable to take in new information. Inside of this category, are also the "gullible people". These are a subset who only believe what they see or read on the prime time news. They are not capable and are possibly too brainswashed to think for themselves.
And that's putting it nicely.
LIzze

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Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 14:06:19 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Hi again, Lizzie,

Oh yes, I agree that emfs and toxins galore affect all. What I differ from you in is I think there are multiple problems accomplishing this. I think most ES, as we know it, has its cause in tight junction permeability. I think other people react to these emfs and toxins in less noticeable, but sometimes worse, ways--cancers, for instance--but that may not be tight junction caused. Or maybe it is--I eluded to this in one of my recent emails on tj permeability--it was once thought that tj permeability was totally genetic, but now I think they are saying there are other ways the tjs open, and maybe that is due to other genes than the one which affects 22 to 24%; OR maybe there were ways all along that tjs naturally opened without having that one gene.

Since I have been so busy the last 2 years, I have not gotten to keep up with the research as I once did, and am missing a large part of the info available. But, from the bits I recently picked up, it does sound like more than just one gene is, at least, involved. I am trying to keep an open-mind on it, but since tj permeability is something I know I have due to having CD, I also think it is linked to my having ES and I have seen proof of that in trying to treat myself supplementally. I think, since ES research noted tj involvement, early on, that it is likely a major cause for most, if not all, of us here on the forum; but on that account, I would even say still this is just theory. It remains to be proven, but there are alot of indicators pointing that direction.

Re slaying dragons--I am not trying to slay dragons, but I will fess up that over the years I have mentioned tj permeability here with the hope that a medical researcher would read it and be sparked to study it further with ES in mind. Until we can get some concrete proof medically, we will not likely get many to believe us or believe that emfs are direly affecting even a fraction of the population. How many teens do you know who would give up their cell phones to even preserve their health??? It is like guns, unfortunately; they will give them up when you pry them from their dead cold fingers.

Yes, almost everything about life is exponentially worse, these days. We are on a downhill roll and the ball gets bigger every inch we roll.

Brain cells; what brain cells? My brain is running on fumes from detoxing chemicals. ;)

Bless you, Lizzie; keep slaying those dragons,
Diane

--- On Sun, 6/5/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 2:23 PM

Well said.
You are right about the tight junction perm stuff. But somehow, I think that when all is said and done, the research is going to establish that everyone's membranes have been compromised. My understanding is that on a molecular level, when exposed to emf's, the cells shut down. That means nutrients can't get in to the cell, and toxins can't get out.
And then there's the mechanism behind wireless radiation. Put any micro toxin, be it mold, bacteria, etc in to the field of this radiation, and it will be amplified 600 times. So now there is the situation of toxins being multiplied hugely and exponentially. So possibly, anything the body views as an enemy, including what sets off celiac, is now multiplied many times over.
Do you see this? I do.
This explains the proliferation of candida, probably lyme disease, and just about every other toxin. Add that together with how wireless causes the body to go acidic (or in most cases, even more acidic) and its a recipe for disaster.
I love the brainstorming. Though i am sorry we had to meet this way- I do find it refreshing to talk to people that have brain cells still alive and kicking!
This goes for everyone on this site.
With my greatest respects to all of you. It may not seem like it, on some days, but we are all slaying the dragons!
LIzzie

To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 11:11:16 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Hi Lizzie,

No, I don't think it is coincidence that so many people are reacting to so much stuff. I think what is causing it is all the un-natural living we are trying to accomplish today-- all the chemicals, meds, emfs that never existed before.... You cannot even find "real" clothing today--the fibers, if they even are natural (and that is truly hard to find) are often dipped, wound, wrapped, sprayed, you name it, with un-natural chemicals. Same with our foods, furnishing, our air and soil....

I never did say gluten or celiac disease "caused" it--celiac disease has little to do with it. Peoples' genes (not celiac genes) but tj permeability genes, probably play a large part in how we react to things, however, NOBODY's genes were prepared for the onslaught of un-natural living we have been exposed to in the last 50 to 150 years. That said, what I *did* say was, *if* one has celiac disease or the tj permeability, they will not get any better unless they also address those. That is true for any body "injury" or illness. You can't expect good recovery from ES with a broken anything. Your body stress and pH will be "off" no matter what your injury is. However, what I often see here are people trying to selectively treat ES, like it is a special compartmentalized illness. It is not.

I do, however, personally feel *tight junction permeability leading to ion-channelopathy* is the cause of ES and many of the other miriad modern-day illnesses. And, by cause, I mean how the un-naturalness of living today, is able to affect some people while not others.

I only mentioned that I found the research on tj permeability due to the fact that I already had celiac disease and was searching for info on it; it was then that I saw there was a connection. The connection is not celiac disease, it is the tight junction permeability problem, which celiac disease and ES seem to, due to research, both have in common.

Does this clear up the discrepancy any in your mind? I hope so, because tight junctions were long known (since the 1990s) to be the only readily noticeable effect from emfs in ES research on ES people. Cell phone companies have been able to negate the effects of emfs on people due to their understanding and manipulation of this link.

Blessings,
Diane

--- On Sat, 6/4/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 9:28 PM

Diane,
Yea, that would be truly amazing if only 22-24 reacted to that. So, do you really think its a coincidence that some of us are "also" just happened to be allergic to mold?
It is true, I will grant that, that everyone has a weakness, a predispositon if you will.....not sure if I believe the gene theory stuff. There's new research that came out on mercola's site that blows that theory all to hell. But common sense tells us that everyone does have certain weakness in their unique immune systems. Some people like cold food, some can't eat spicey, some like lemon-aide, others hate it. Some have head-aches, some get stomach aches, some get back aches. This is all very real. Most - if not all of these problems- will probably be found, if looked for, to be rooted in a childhood exposure to some kind of toxic. Or a combination of toxins. Different combinations for different people would manifest in different and unique symptoms. And Celiac may be one of those.
However, just like when the combination of mercury and aluminum create something together, that is far more toxic then just the single toxin, emf's create a synergy that essentially creates the straw that breaks the camels back. It is the tipping point.
A room full of people.....can we find a room full of people and find ONE person who doesn't have ANY chronic health problems?
Anyone?
I rest my case. I think Celiac may just be another symptom of the puzzle. But its the symptom, not the cause.
Lizzie

To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 16:21:55 -0700
Subject: Re: [eSens] Gluten

Hi, Lizzie,

Gliadin is actually the portion of glutens that celiacs are intolerant to. Peanuts and corn do not contain the gliadin fractions which affect celiacs. Celiacs do not tolerate wheat, rye, barley, and sometimes oats and millets (tho this is usually due to contamination in transporting or harvesting). There is actual research which went into determining what celiacs are intolerant to. And they know it is not mold which causes celiac disease, tho many celiacs, including me, are also intolerant to mold.

In order to have celiac disease, a celiac must have at least one celiac gene and one tight junction permeability gene, so it is quite possible that the "us" you are refering to are the 22 to 24% who also have the tight junction gene, which will cause numerous problems just by itself. Celiac disease is just one of the gluten intolerances. There are other gluten intolerance types, and also gluten allergy, which is also different than celiac disease.

But I totally agree with you on the subject of mold and the emfs which cause them to proliferate. It would be amazing that only 22 to 24% of the population would react to that! Truly.

My two cents,
Diane

--- On Wed, 6/1/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 7:20 PM

On the subject of gluten. Gluten products ie: wheat, peanuts, corn.....these are all crops that tend to be "moldy". Add into the fact that commercial bread making UPS the amt of gluten to make more bread. I think of Celiac disease as AN INTOLERANCE TO MOLD. Google Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt and READ what he says about when you put a micro toxin (be it viral, bacterial, or MOLD) into the field/exposure of EMF's, the micro toxin multiplies by 600%. Celiac is supposed to be "genetic", according to the mainstream medical industrial complex. Really? ARe we ALL related then? Because I know a ton of people who can't eat wheat products! And none of them have relatives with Celiac. Some might say, well, maybe the relatives just didn't know, weren't diagnosed...I've heard the same argument used to explain Autism. The only reason the numbers are soo high is due to better diagnostics. Some people actually believe the myth that Autism has always been around.
Hmmm.......Kind of makes me wonder what "they're smoking".
This is just one example of many. I had a damp moldy basement. When I got rid of wifi, wireless, ect....within days, my basement didn't smell tht nasty smell. I've had 3 electricians from 3 diff't companies tell me my basement was the cleanest smelling basement they'd ever been in. They said for them, it was normal business as usual to have to work in moldy smelling basements. Out here, most are michigan basements. That means only part of it is dug out. There are rooms- spaces with dirt.
I had a friend who lives on a farm, has 3 kids. Being stung by a bee is a normal occurrance. EXcept the one time that the little girls arm swelled all the way UP to her shoulder. Scared the pee out of her mom. The child hadn't eaten anything different. Nothing was changed in her diet, no new soap products were used. The ONLY THING THAT WAS DIFFERENT was that they had company over, who were using their
WIRELESS LAP THAT WEEKEND!! Normally, there was no wireless in their environment. *They were under the belief that the little stick on product their guests had put on their laptop to protect from radiation actually worked. As far as MOLD goes? I don't think the human body was designed to tolerate MOLD that has multiplied by 600%.
Something to think about.
Lizzie

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evie15422

RE: Gluten

Lizzie,

You have no idea! ;) I had celiac disease from early childhood and was not dxed till I was 49! I was nearly totally bed-bound for 13 years (usually only well enough to go to the bathroom and feed myself pre-prepared food) and various degrees of dysfunctional my entire life. [However all that I wrote was not personal experience; I learned of some of the ways docs miss the dx of cd from other poor schmucks like me. ;) ]

If I had to do it over again and knew what I know now, I would say I'd pay much less attention to what traditional medicine and other people (and medical tests) had to say and start doing my own thinking and acting much earlier. ;) Yes, I had great damage in the meantime, which was why I had/ have so many dxes I need a notebook to keep track of them all. But that said, I have overcome or at least have good control of almost all of my dxes today (MCS and bronchial asthma are the hardest to control). I live a pretty normal life, and actually more active life, than most people my age.

People who know me locally think I am one of the most laid back people they ever met. lol Nothing much ruffles my feathers. But I had years of practice. lololol Once a veteran of war, you are not so easily daunted. ;)

Diane

--- On Sat, 6/18/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 18, 2011, 10:28 PM

Wow. Sounds like you went thru the whole circus...
That must have been a terrible ordeal. What would you tell someone today...knowing what you've learned- after going thru all of that.
Seems to me, that the process would be: first the primary care doctor, then the recommendation/prescription for the specialist, then the wait for the appointment for the specialist, then the scheduling of new testing, another appt, then testing, then the wait for the results, then the consultation on the results, the recommendation for treatment, then another consultation for treatment. Knowing what you know today...would you short cut any of that? Because it seems to me, from point A, suffering, to point E? F, G, more suffering....by the time any healing gets done...there's been a window of on going damage.
Lizzie

To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:55:49 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

I should have stated in the first paragraph of this email that a *negative* blood or gene test doesn't necessarily mean anything in individual cases. I neglected to include the word negative. A positive test would mean something! Sorry, not all brain cells are doing their jobs today. lol

Diane

--- On Sat, 6/18/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 18, 2011, 1:52 PM

Hi again, Lizzie,

This is a rather off-topic subject, so those here who are not interested in celiac disease/ tight junctions should not read further. (Well, maybe read the last paragraph.) I would generally answer a post like this privately, but since celiac disease is related in a round about way to tight junction permeability and to ES, I have opted to answer this on open forum. (Mainly since, we may find in the future, a similar disconnect with ES not being easy to diagnose according to medical parameters initially put in place; and ESsers need to be aware that a blood or gene test does not necessarily prove anything in individual cases.)

A fact that is generally not known is that blood tests for any disease are never 100% accurate. For instance, my mother was dxed with myasthenia gravis. The test used had only an 89% accuracy rate. If she had failed that test, she could have still been one of the 11% remaining with myastenia gravis, who were not picked up on the test. When docs tested me for MG, they ran the same test. It came back negative, and they pronounced me MG free (2 different docs!), even tho I had copious symptoms which could have been consistent with the disease. I later had additional testing which found me negative for MG, tho I was never told by the docs who did the original tests that I should have further testing. They pronounced me MG-free, as tho the test was completely definitive!

On the specific subject of celiac research, researchers do know that what is "medically" considered celiac disease, occurs in about 1 out of 100 people in the US, per blood bank testing. [But understand that not anywhere near 1 out of 100 people have actually been dxed with celiac disease.] The genes for 1 in 100 are accounted for, but the researchers also know that there are a few who have the specific requirement to qualify for cd, who have no known gene for cd. Understand that celiac disease is a very specific disorder--particular lesions in the small intestine which are specific to tight junction damage to the small intestine; period. In other words, celiac disease is not the many symptoms it manifests, but ONLY the lesions it causes in the small intestine. If you think celiac disease is about the symptoms, it is not; it is solely based on the small intestinal lesions and findings.

If you are talking about, however, why so many with celiac symptoms are not dxed, then you are talking a slightly different subject, and a very complicated subject. The reasons this happens are many and varied.....

Sometimes, people (and I was one), don't pass the blood tests for cd. There are cases for which the blood tests appear within normal parameters for cd, however, what has happened is the person has had cd for so long that they no longer elicit the correct abnormal chemistry to qualify as positive on the tests.

There are other cases in which the person suspecting celiac disease has already gone totally or partially gluten-free, which skews the test (the gluten-free diet essentially heals you to the point you have no cd).

Then there are people who, having failed the blood tests, opt for a small intestinal endoscopy, but the doctor doing the test fails to recognise the proper lesions, and takes biopsies of only 1 to 3 OTHER lesions, which then come back as not positive for celiac disease. DUH!!! [Yes, some docs only take 1 to 3 samples!]

My very celiac aware doctor took 12 biopsy samples and all 12 came back as positive for cd (he knew what to look for). Now the standard is to take 24 samples, if that many lesions exist, but some doctors still go in and take only 1 to 3, and don't know what they are supposed to be looking for in the first place.

There are a few celiacs who, having done all the gene testing and all the blood testing, do still have celiac type lesions. This happens rather rarely, but it does happen. The researchers thought a few years ago that when this happened, the person perhaps did have a yet undiscovered gene. (Know that there are multiple celiac genes, not just 1 gene, which must be tested for in a celiac. Gene testing is pricey, especially since most tests only test for 2 or 3 of the most common cd genes.) So this is yet another reason why cd might be missed as a dx.

Most people who suspect cd do not know all of this, they have a blood test or a gene test and that comes back negative for celiac disease, and they *think* this is the definitive answer. This is not at all so. This is also why you see so many people who put themselves on the gf diet without a dx at all. But this in no way implies cd is not genetic, it simply implies cd is hard to get a proper dx for.

Most of the symptoms which celiacs have are very non-specific. Most are not even primary symptoms, but secondary and tertiary (or further) symptoms. Primary symptoms would be only the tj damage, to include the small intestine, bbb, and sometimes some organs, and cilli blunting in the small intestine. Secondary symptoms are all the nutrient deficiencies, leading to yet more issues--osteoporosis, anemias, etc; and foreign invaders--aberrant gut bugs, viruses, etc, and chemical and toxic substances, which also lead to yet further problems, such as mast cell proliferation, MCS, etc. Both the nutrient deficiencies and the invaders/ foreign substances are directly caused by the tight junction permeability. So, you see, ES could, by opening up the tight junctions, perhaps accomplish exactly the same symptoms. The only difference might be that glutens attack the gut first, while EMFs appear to attack the brain first.

Diane

--- On Sun, 6/12/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 5:47 PM

Well said.
Research when done ethically, does contribute hugely in areas of healing. Genuine indepedent research, not funded by the same companies who want to prove a product safe...is priceless!
But one little caveat on the celiac issue. How do you explain those who DON"T have the gene, who have exactly the same symtpms and intolerance? OR how to you prove that these people were actually BORN with that gene?
It seems to me that I have read that some substances, products, etc like genetically modified foods, for example, can turn off or on certain genes. This opens the possibility that people can "show" the gene, but to prove to they were BORN with it....would be virtually impossible in most circumstances.
You see what I mean? It seems to me, that in order to say something is "genetic or inherited", you'd have to know for absolute sure, that the person was indeed born with it. And unless tests were done at birth to ascertain this, then it kind of blows the whole "gene" theory, when genetically modified foods can change the genes, and turn certain genes on or off.
Just brain stormng here.
Lizzie
And yes, I wholeheartedly agree, that the solution is easy if one knows there are plenty of substitutes like: quinoa, amaranth, rice, spelt (although it does have gluten, it is of a different kind, so many can tolerate this, including us).
MOst colleges for premed, med, ect are funded by the pharmeceutical companies...so its not too hard to see how easy it is for them to manipulate the education.
Research is vital....I wouldn't have learned as much as I have, were it not for me doing my own research. I just make sure that my sources are clean.
Lizzie
And there always wonderful surprises, like George CArlos, who was the one who was paid 25 milion by the cell phone industry to prove cell phones were safe...and he not only proved the opposite, but refused to be bought off.

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From: [hidden email]
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:11:40 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Hi again, Lizzie,

Perhaps you are right about people in general thinking genetics limit healing. But, I think this is where people like you and me (and other open-minded thinkers) differ. We do not see boundaries set on our health due to genetics (or for any reason), nor should we. Yes, genetics play a part, but they do not tell the entire story.

Take celiac disease, for instance. It is a done deal that cd is genetic. However, how is it treated? Not by some dangerous surgery or by a dangerous drug. It is treated merely by the choice of foods you eat. Not all with cd want to give up their deliciously wicked cinnamon buns. However, if they ever really tried it, they'd find they like the alternatives much better. I hear cases and know cases personally of people with cd who do not go completely gf. That is their choice, but they know the risk. There is a difference between being truly naive and being resistant to truth. People who are resistant to truth don't need genetics to limit their thinking. Any little excuse will do.

I guess I do have a bias here, Lizzie. I was partially trained in pre-med (I had to drop out of uni my senior year due to health issues) and while I was in school, I was a lab-rat--learning the ropes on how to conduct research studies. I believe in research. Most research docs are truly looking for truth. [Research docs are an entirely different mind-set than medical docs.] I contribute my time in the lab as a large reason I have been able to retain an open-mind. I learned to do that during my training; this is research rule # 1! I agree that there are many researchers who are paid off or in it for their own nepherious reasons--and I also agree the AMA--medical doctors, as a whole-- are way off track. Often this has to do with their training, unfortunately, and that I also saw to a degree when I was in school. [Biased and narrow-mindedly hanging onto out-dated, out-moded information and facts and seeing chemicals as the
only relevant treatments were alot of it. Nowhere was this more true than in the areas of nutritional and psychological training that medical doctors received.]

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, Lizzie. Research is how we uncover ways to heal ourselves. Keep an open mind on that, too. I think you will soon see research which does us justice.

Diane

--- On Sun, 6/12/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 11:23 AM

You are so very welcome...just a reminder. All of us who retain the ability to "question" to "seek knowledge"....are living examples of victors- I prefer to use that phrase over just merely being survivors.
Leaky gut syndrome, yes, have friends with this. Probiotics are the best way to heal the gut. (*Mercola) and of course, avoidance.
As for me? I tend to question studies and anything that comes from mainstream medicine. Klinghardt's research is stellar! But he is not a mainstream parrot.
I think of all those such as: Mercola, Klinghardt, Blaylock, Sircus, Barry Durant-Peatsfield, and others...as all contributing "pieces" to the puzzle. (And I haven't even listed the ES contributors, and this includes various informational sources on house wiring which is paramount to healing ES, as I would bet that many ES ers either live, or have lived in badly WIRED houses.
This whole thing is like peeling away the layers of an onion, or peeling, stripping layers upon layers of old wallpaper.
Thru all of this, it is of vital importance to support the thyroid and adrenal glands. And anyone relying on thryoid blood tests needs to realize that they are putting their faith in the same system that sanctions: chemo, vaccines, fluoride in the water, silver fillings, prescription drugs that treat only the symptoms and more often then not, are toxic,....these are just a few examples of misplaced faith in a broken by design system. (*as in deliberately designed to not help...and in many cases, intentionally poison!)
And might i add the same system who deliberately decided to use the same frequency for cell phone as is the body!) These are not examples of incompetence/ nor are they coincidences!
ONe problem with the "gene" theory is that it tends to limit people's ability to even believe they CAN heal their bodies.
Take for example the true amount of people today who are Diabetic or borderline Diabetic. ARe we to believe that more then half of the population is genetically pre disposed to Diabetes?
It's the old argument: Genetics versus Environment. Which one has more power? Which one is more prevelant? Which one does the real evidence support? Take a piece of paper, draw a line down the middle. One column for clean environment. The other lists environmental, outside factors. This would include: badly wired houses, silver fillings, vaccines, pesticides, fake food, MSG, moldy crops, bad drinking water, cooking with teflon pans, microwved food, mothers who had a mouth full of mercury silver fillings, wireless technology in the house, and the list is endless. Which side do you think would fill the page?
Food for fodder.
Lizzie
P.S. All of us are truly enlightened intelluctual warriors who are steadfast in our determination to continue to slay the dragons. That MAKES US MAGNIFICENT PEOPLE!
We could have given up, stuck our heads back in the sand, played the denial till it killed us. BUT WE CHOSE NOT TO!

To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:47:27 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Thanks for the flattery, Lizzie. ;)

I needed that on a day my brain has felt ready to go belly-up. lol I hope you are right. You should have known me when I actually did have brain cells! lol

I don't know whether anything has changed recently on the tight junction front as it pertains to genetics, but it used to be known [or at least widely publicised as tho it were known] that the MYD88 gene was what allowed tight junction permeability. There are also claudens genes involved. CLDN 5 and CLDN 8, I think, but I could be wrong as to the numbers--this was 3 years ago, at least, that I read it.

When they are talking about the BBB leaking or "opening up", what they mean is the tjs in that location, the BBB, are opening up. There are tjs thruout the body. [Okay, sorry; reading further you already knew that! ;) ] Celiac disease is known to open at least tjs in the small intestine, the BBB, the liver, heart, and lungs (that is to say, in susceptible people, gliaden--the gluten fraction which causes the damage in cd--opens up tjs in those places).

You will likely only read the genetics involved in this on very select sites. Maybe Dr Goldsworthy would make reference to it. I only read about this on research studies, themselves; however, I also knew beforehand that celiac disease is genetic, so it was an easy jump for me to pick up small references to tj permeability being genetic.

Oh you are right that emfs open more than the BBB! I believe it is already known they open organs and the gut. I have read that at Dr Goldsworthy's site, at least. I think also I read that at Dr. Klingenhardt's site. I have heard emfs also open skin cells. Whether all of this is fact, I do not know. I mean, I do not know if the research for this exists. I do know it is likely, since cd research has proven much of it is so with gliaden.

I know I personally have gut permeability occasionally from particular emf exposures. I can sometimes feel it happening. I also have proof of this because the next day what food goes in, comes out of my body very quickly--in hours--mostly undigested. I have gone weeks sometimes with undigested food to some degree or another. This is what leads to nutritional deficiencies in celiacs, so it would likely be the same when it happens due to emfs.

My 2 cents worth again, ;)
Diane

--- On Sun, 6/5/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 6:37 PM

Diane,
Oh you got brain cells working and then some!
As for slaying the dragons? Its all a state of mind. The words we speak have much power.
As for research...well, so far, the research shows that wireless radiation opens the blood brain barrier. To date, I've not read anywhere that this is gene related. My working theory is that other membranes are opened as well. And think about this: Vit D controlls something like 2000 genes. Most if not all unhealth is caused from nutritional deficiencies and toxic over load. Which comes first is like asking the chicken and the egg question. Because one opens the door to the other. So say a person is way low on their Vit D...this would result in many genes not working or being turned on. This would also prevent the body from absorbing Vit D, which controls those 2000 genes. Add an insult like calcium effflux, where wireless radiation causes the body to lose calcium, and a whole nother cascade of down cycling of the immune system occurs. And look at the amt of people with sensitive stomaches, there's another example of membrane damage and candida
over-growth.
**I agree with you totally. I believe that tj permeability does play a huge role in ES. Every cell has a membrane. So maybe it all comes back to cellular damage at the molecular level, which occurs in many different sites and areas...which might explain the diversity of ES symptoms. Where the damage is most visible is where the weakness happens to be in that particular person.
I believe that everyone is effected....
As for the non believers? They seem to fall into two categories, to my way of thinking. Either they have a vested interest in trying to keep this science from getting out there. Or they belong in the category of those who are too toxic and do not have enough brain function to absorb the information. They are like shadow people. Physically, they are there- but emotionally, mentally, intelluctually, they are blank. They are capable of doing things by route, often have trouble with short term memory, and very often, are unable to take in new information. Inside of this category, are also the "gullible people". These are a subset who only believe what they see or read on the prime time news. They are not capable and are possibly too brainswashed to think for themselves.
And that's putting it nicely.
LIzze

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From: [hidden email]
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 14:06:19 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Hi again, Lizzie,

Oh yes, I agree that emfs and toxins galore affect all. What I differ from you in is I think there are multiple problems accomplishing this. I think most ES, as we know it, has its cause in tight junction permeability. I think other people react to these emfs and toxins in less noticeable, but sometimes worse, ways--cancers, for instance--but that may not be tight junction caused. Or maybe it is--I eluded to this in one of my recent emails on tj permeability--it was once thought that tj permeability was totally genetic, but now I think they are saying there are other ways the tjs open, and maybe that is due to other genes than the one which affects 22 to 24%; OR maybe there were ways all along that tjs naturally opened without having that one gene.

Since I have been so busy the last 2 years, I have not gotten to keep up with the research as I once did, and am missing a large part of the info available. But, from the bits I recently picked up, it does sound like more than just one gene is, at least, involved. I am trying to keep an open-mind on it, but since tj permeability is something I know I have due to having CD, I also think it is linked to my having ES and I have seen proof of that in trying to treat myself supplementally. I think, since ES research noted tj involvement, early on, that it is likely a major cause for most, if not all, of us here on the forum; but on that account, I would even say still this is just theory. It remains to be proven, but there are alot of indicators pointing that direction.

Re slaying dragons--I am not trying to slay dragons, but I will fess up that over the years I have mentioned tj permeability here with the hope that a medical researcher would read it and be sparked to study it further with ES in mind. Until we can get some concrete proof medically, we will not likely get many to believe us or believe that emfs are direly affecting even a fraction of the population. How many teens do you know who would give up their cell phones to even preserve their health??? It is like guns, unfortunately; they will give them up when you pry them from their dead cold fingers.

Yes, almost everything about life is exponentially worse, these days. We are on a downhill roll and the ball gets bigger every inch we roll.

Brain cells; what brain cells? My brain is running on fumes from detoxing chemicals. ;)

Bless you, Lizzie; keep slaying those dragons,
Diane

--- On Sun, 6/5/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 2:23 PM

Well said.
You are right about the tight junction perm stuff. But somehow, I think that when all is said and done, the research is going to establish that everyone's membranes have been compromised. My understanding is that on a molecular level, when exposed to emf's, the cells shut down. That means nutrients can't get in to the cell, and toxins can't get out.
And then there's the mechanism behind wireless radiation. Put any micro toxin, be it mold, bacteria, etc in to the field of this radiation, and it will be amplified 600 times. So now there is the situation of toxins being multiplied hugely and exponentially. So possibly, anything the body views as an enemy, including what sets off celiac, is now multiplied many times over.
Do you see this? I do.
This explains the proliferation of candida, probably lyme disease, and just about every other toxin. Add that together with how wireless causes the body to go acidic (or in most cases, even more acidic) and its a recipe for disaster.
I love the brainstorming. Though i am sorry we had to meet this way- I do find it refreshing to talk to people that have brain cells still alive and kicking!
This goes for everyone on this site.
With my greatest respects to all of you. It may not seem like it, on some days, but we are all slaying the dragons!
LIzzie

To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 11:11:16 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten

Hi Lizzie,

No, I don't think it is coincidence that so many people are reacting to so much stuff. I think what is causing it is all the un-natural living we are trying to accomplish today-- all the chemicals, meds, emfs that never existed before.... You cannot even find "real" clothing today--the fibers, if they even are natural (and that is truly hard to find) are often dipped, wound, wrapped, sprayed, you name it, with un-natural chemicals. Same with our foods, furnishing, our air and soil....

I never did say gluten or celiac disease "caused" it--celiac disease has little to do with it. Peoples' genes (not celiac genes) but tj permeability genes, probably play a large part in how we react to things, however, NOBODY's genes were prepared for the onslaught of un-natural living we have been exposed to in the last 50 to 150 years. That said, what I *did* say was, *if* one has celiac disease or the tj permeability, they will not get any better unless they also address those. That is true for any body "injury" or illness. You can't expect good recovery from ES with a broken anything. Your body stress and pH will be "off" no matter what your injury is. However, what I often see here are people trying to selectively treat ES, like it is a special compartmentalized illness. It is not.

I do, however, personally feel *tight junction permeability leading to ion-channelopathy* is the cause of ES and many of the other miriad modern-day illnesses. And, by cause, I mean how the un-naturalness of living today, is able to affect some people while not others.

I only mentioned that I found the research on tj permeability due to the fact that I already had celiac disease and was searching for info on it; it was then that I saw there was a connection. The connection is not celiac disease, it is the tight junction permeability problem, which celiac disease and ES seem to, due to research, both have in common.

Does this clear up the discrepancy any in your mind? I hope so, because tight junctions were long known (since the 1990s) to be the only readily noticeable effect from emfs in ES research on ES people. Cell phone companies have been able to negate the effects of emfs on people due to their understanding and manipulation of this link.

Blessings,
Diane

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From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 9:28 PM

Diane,
Yea, that would be truly amazing if only 22-24 reacted to that. So, do you really think its a coincidence that some of us are "also" just happened to be allergic to mold?
It is true, I will grant that, that everyone has a weakness, a predispositon if you will.....not sure if I believe the gene theory stuff. There's new research that came out on mercola's site that blows that theory all to hell. But common sense tells us that everyone does have certain weakness in their unique immune systems. Some people like cold food, some can't eat spicey, some like lemon-aide, others hate it. Some have head-aches, some get stomach aches, some get back aches. This is all very real. Most - if not all of these problems- will probably be found, if looked for, to be rooted in a childhood exposure to some kind of toxic. Or a combination of toxins. Different combinations for different people would manifest in different and unique symptoms. And Celiac may be one of those.
However, just like when the combination of mercury and aluminum create something together, that is far more toxic then just the single toxin, emf's create a synergy that essentially creates the straw that breaks the camels back. It is the tipping point.
A room full of people.....can we find a room full of people and find ONE person who doesn't have ANY chronic health problems?
Anyone?
I rest my case. I think Celiac may just be another symptom of the puzzle. But its the symptom, not the cause.
Lizzie

To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 16:21:55 -0700
Subject: Re: [eSens] Gluten

Hi, Lizzie,

Gliadin is actually the portion of glutens that celiacs are intolerant to. Peanuts and corn do not contain the gliadin fractions which affect celiacs. Celiacs do not tolerate wheat, rye, barley, and sometimes oats and millets (tho this is usually due to contamination in transporting or harvesting). There is actual research which went into determining what celiacs are intolerant to. And they know it is not mold which causes celiac disease, tho many celiacs, including me, are also intolerant to mold.

In order to have celiac disease, a celiac must have at least one celiac gene and one tight junction permeability gene, so it is quite possible that the "us" you are refering to are the 22 to 24% who also have the tight junction gene, which will cause numerous problems just by itself. Celiac disease is just one of the gluten intolerances. There are other gluten intolerance types, and also gluten allergy, which is also different than celiac disease.

But I totally agree with you on the subject of mold and the emfs which cause them to proliferate. It would be amazing that only 22 to 24% of the population would react to that! Truly.

My two cents,
Diane

--- On Wed, 6/1/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Gluten
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 7:20 PM

On the subject of gluten. Gluten products ie: wheat, peanuts, corn.....these are all crops that tend to be "moldy". Add into the fact that commercial bread making UPS the amt of gluten to make more bread. I think of Celiac disease as AN INTOLERANCE TO MOLD. Google Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt and READ what he says about when you put a micro toxin (be it viral, bacterial, or MOLD) into the field/exposure of EMF's, the micro toxin multiplies by 600%. Celiac is supposed to be "genetic", according to the mainstream medical industrial complex. Really? ARe we ALL related then? Because I know a ton of people who can't eat wheat products! And none of them have relatives with Celiac. Some might say, well, maybe the relatives just didn't know, weren't diagnosed...I've heard the same argument used to explain Autism. The only reason the numbers are soo high is due to better diagnostics. Some people actually believe the myth that Autism has always been around.
Hmmm.......Kind of makes me wonder what "they're smoking".
This is just one example of many. I had a damp moldy basement. When I got rid of wifi, wireless, ect....within days, my basement didn't smell tht nasty smell. I've had 3 electricians from 3 diff't companies tell me my basement was the cleanest smelling basement they'd ever been in. They said for them, it was normal business as usual to have to work in moldy smelling basements. Out here, most are michigan basements. That means only part of it is dug out. There are rooms- spaces with dirt.
I had a friend who lives on a farm, has 3 kids. Being stung by a bee is a normal occurrance. EXcept the one time that the little girls arm swelled all the way UP to her shoulder. Scared the pee out of her mom. The child hadn't eaten anything different. Nothing was changed in her diet, no new soap products were used. The ONLY THING THAT WAS DIFFERENT was that they had company over, who were using their
WIRELESS LAP THAT WEEKEND!! Normally, there was no wireless in their environment. *They were under the belief that the little stick on product their guests had put on their laptop to protect from radiation actually worked. As far as MOLD goes? I don't think the human body was designed to tolerate MOLD that has multiplied by 600%.
Something to think about.
Lizzie

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