I am considering this... any experiences or opinions?
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> I am considering this... any experiences or opinions?
Have you first verified that you can tolerate glutathione in even small amounts? I've found that I have to be very careful with glutathione (or even things which are known the raise glutathione), else I feel horrible and my ES symptoms get worse. Frankly, I'd stick to methods that you have complete control over the dosage and frequency. Marc |
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Hi Joni,
I assume you are referring to injections? This was something I was considering. My holistic MD said the only side effect she had ever seen in people was a headache immediately after. I have decided to try dietary methods and soon I will check to see if this is bringing my level up. If not then I mayreconsider injections. Kathy --- In [hidden email], "Joni" <napanft@...> wrote: > > I am considering this... any experiences or opinions? > > Thanks > > Joni > |
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I had to use 1/8 capsule of glutathione to begin. If I had taken the 1 capsule per day as recommended on the label, I think it would have killed me (I have MCS, ES, EI - herbicide and heavy metal poisoning) and Lyme Disease.) I used acetyl-glutathione, one of the newer forms. It causes heavy detox. I would be careful..... Josie
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> I had to use 1/8 capsule of glutathione to begin. If I had taken the 1
> capsule per day as recommended on the label, I think it would have killed > me I am usually very cautious about any new supplement, because, as you've noted, sometimes I get a very extreme reaction to the tiniest amount of a new supplement. That doesn't necessarily mean that the supplement is bad for you, but you may need to spend several days/weeks/months building up a tolerance to a higher dose. Marc |
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I think Joni will be referring to intravenous infusions. These have
certainly been a huge factor in Sue's recovery and she has never had any problems even at high dosage. Maybe however this is not surprising as a lot of her immune system problems were due to glutathione having become severely depleted. Infusions have been more effective than oral doses because of her gut problems (leading to poor absorption). Marc's the first person I've heard of with a bad adverse reaction to glutathione, but it just goes to show that we are all different and what works for one does not necessarily work for another. As Marc says, very sensible to try a small test dose first! Incidentally Sue also uses Armour thyroid (T4+T3) which again is a big help to her. Synthetic thyroxine (T4) was no good. It looks as if her body's T4 to T3 conversion mechanism is not working properly. Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of spiralwindintrees Sent: 06 May 2009 21:50 To: [hidden email] Subject: [eSens] Re: Glutathione infusion - good or bad? Hi Joni, I assume you are referring to injections? This was something I was considering. My holistic MD said the only side effect she had ever seen in people was a headache immediately after. I have decided to try dietary methods and soon I will check to see if this is bringing my level up. If not then I may reconsider injections. Kathy --- In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Joni" <napanft@...> wrote: > > I am considering this... any experiences or opinions? > > Thanks > > Joni > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Ian
What testing did Sue have done to work out that her T4 to T3 conversion mechanism wasn't working properly? I have had standard NHS thyroid testing done [last april] and when the results came back I didn't get to see them - a doctor in the practice just said everything was normal and yet from everthing I have read and from looking at the symptoms mine correlate with a thyroid which is not working properly. If I knew what tests to get done I could get them done privately. Best wishes Steph --- On Thu, 7/5/09, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Glutathione infusion - good or bad? To: [hidden email] Date: Thursday, 7 May, 2009, 12:18 AM I think Joni will be referring to intravenous infusions. These have certainly been a huge factor in Sue's recovery and she has never had any problems even at high dosage. Maybe however this is not surprising as a lot of her immune system problems were due to glutathione having become severely depleted. Infusions have been more effective than oral doses because of her gut problems (leading to poor absorption). Marc's the first person I've heard of with a bad adverse reaction to glutathione, but it just goes to show that we are all different and what works for one does not necessarily work for another. As Marc says, very sensible to try a small test dose first! Incidentally Sue also uses Armour thyroid (T4+T3) which again is a big help to her. Synthetic thyroxine (T4) was no good. It looks as if her body's T4 to T3 conversion mechanism is not working properly. Ian _____ From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of spiralwindintrees Sent: 06 May 2009 21:50 To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Subject: [eSens] Re: Glutathione infusion - good or bad? Hi Joni, I assume you are referring to injections? This was something I was considering. My holistic MD said the only side effect she had ever seen in people was a headache immediately after. I have decided to try dietary methods and soon I will check to see if this is bringing my level up. If not then I may reconsider injections. Kathy --- In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com, "Joni" <napanft@... > wrote: > > I am considering this... any experiences or opinions? > > Thanks > > Joni > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Steph
The NHS test does not as far as we know chewck for T3 at all. Sue originally came up as borderline low on the NHS test, was prescribed thyroxine and didn't get on with it, then tried Armour thyroid and had a big improvement. Later she had a private test which showed her T3 was low. Some experienced practitioners reckon that the standard test can give false clears and that patients should be diagnosed for thyroid problems on the basis of symptoms even if they do not show low T4 on the test. Just today we have heard reports that Armour thyroid may no longer be available in the UK from our normal source. Can anyone throw any light on this? Does anyone know an alternative UK supplier? Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stephanie Smith Sent: 07 May 2009 23:48 To: [hidden email] Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Glutathione infusion - good or bad? Ian What testing did Sue have done to work out that her T4 to T3 conversion mechanism wasn't working properly? I have had standard NHS thyroid testing done [last april] and when the results came back I didn't get to see them - a doctor in the practice just said everything was normal and yet from everthing I have read and from looking at the symptoms mine correlate with a thyroid which is not working properly. If I knew what tests to get done I could get them done privately. Best wishes Steph --- On Thu, 7/5/09, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net> ukgateway.net> wrote: From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net> ukgateway.net> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Glutathione infusion - good or bad? To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com Date: Thursday, 7 May, 2009, 12:18 AM I think Joni will be referring to intravenous infusions. These have certainly been a huge factor in Sue's recovery and she has never had any problems even at high dosage. Maybe however this is not surprising as a lot of her immune system problems were due to glutathione having become severely depleted. Infusions have been more effective than oral doses because of her gut problems (leading to poor absorption). Marc's the first person I've heard of with a bad adverse reaction to glutathione, but it just goes to show that we are all different and what works for one does not necessarily work for another. As Marc says, very sensible to try a small test dose first! Incidentally Sue also uses Armour thyroid (T4+T3) which again is a big help to her. Synthetic thyroxine (T4) was no good. It looks as if her body's T4 to T3 conversion mechanism is not working properly. Ian _____ From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of spiralwindintrees Sent: 06 May 2009 21:50 To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Subject: [eSens] Re: Glutathione infusion - good or bad? Hi Joni, I assume you are referring to injections? This was something I was considering. My holistic MD said the only side effect she had ever seen in people was a headache immediately after. I have decided to try dietary methods and soon I will check to see if this is bringing my level up. If not then I may reconsider injections. Kathy --- In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com, "Joni" <napanft@... > wrote: > > I am considering this... any experiences or opinions? > > Thanks > > Joni > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Hi, I saw your post on Armour Thyroid which reminded me that I needed to look up what I could so that I can some how get better. My body temperature is all over the place.. but consistently low. It has even been around 95 point something for days. Then I read that the body needs selenium and zinc to produce certain of the needed thyroid hormones. I took some selenium and zinc(also needs manganese) and my body temp did come up some. But because of thetrouble I have with EMF sensitivity, it has been difficult for me to tolerate minerals(which seems to draw the electricity worse into my body). Anyway, I am sending the link to the article I read and an exerpt which maybe helpful to some if they were unaware of the following: Finally, again on the subject of gut dysbiosis, we know that yeast such as candida produce acetaldehyde, a very toxic chemical. If the body is chronically exposed to this chemical it can accumulate in body tissues and preventT3 getting into the cells. This could be one explanation as to why thyroidblood tests come back normal when someone has hypothyroid symptoms and a low body temperature. The body would not know anything was wrong and would maintain blood levels of thyroid hormones as normal but the patient would experience hypothyroid symptoms. http://www.ei-resource.org/illness-information/related-conditions/thyroid-treatments/ --- On Thu, 7/5/09, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Armour thyroid To: [hidden email] Received: Thursday, 7 May, 2009, 7:32 PM Steph The NHS test does not as far as we know chewck for T3 at all. Sue originally came up as borderline low on the NHS test, was prescribed thyroxine and didn't get on with it, then tried Armour thyroid and had a big improvement. Later she had a private test which showed her T3 was low. Some experienced practitioners reckon that the standard test can give false clears and that patients should be diagnosed for thyroid problems on the basis of symptoms even if they do not show low T4 on the test. Just today we have heard reports that Armour thyroid may no longer be available in the UK from our normal source. Can anyone throw any light on this? Does anyone know an alternative UK supplier? Ian _____ From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Smith Sent: 07 May 2009 23:48 To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Glutathione infusion - good or bad? Ian What testing did Sue have done to work out that her T4 to T3 conversion mechanism wasn't working properly? I have had standard NHS thyroid testing done [last april] and when the results came back I didn't get to see them - a doctor in the practice just said everything was normal and yet from everthing I have read and from looking at the symptoms mine correlate with a thyroid which is not working properly. If I knew what tests to get done I could get them done privately. Best wishes Steph --- On Thu, 7/5/09, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net> ukgateway.net> wrote: From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net> ukgateway.net> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Glutathione infusion - good or bad? To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com Date: Thursday, 7 May, 2009, 12:18 AM I think Joni will be referring to intravenous infusions. These have certainly been a huge factor in Sue's recovery and she has never had any problems even at high dosage. Maybe however this is not surprising as a lot of her immune system problems were due to glutathione having become severely depleted. Infusions have been more effective than oral doses because of her gut problems (leading to poor absorption). Marc's the first person I've heard of with a bad adverse reaction to glutathione, but it just goes to show that we are all different and what works for one does not necessarily work for another. As Marc says, very sensible to try a small test dose first! Incidentally Sue also uses Armour thyroid (T4+T3) which again is a big help to her. Synthetic thyroxine (T4) was no good. It looks as if her body's T4 to T3 conversion mechanism is not working properly. Ian _____ From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of spiralwindintrees Sent: 06 May 2009 21:50 To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Subject: [eSens] Re: Glutathione infusion - good or bad? Hi Joni, I assume you are referring to injections? This was something I was considering. My holistic MD said the only side effect she had ever seen in people was a headache immediately after. I have decided to try dietary methods and soon I will check to see if this is bringing my level up. If not then I may reconsider injections. Kathy --- In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com, "Joni" <napanft@... > wrote: > > I am considering this... any experiences or opinions? > > Thanks > > Joni > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, Easier. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Two other reasons for T3 not getting into the cells would be low ferritin and adrenal problems. Consistently low temps do indicate hypothyroid, but temps that are all over the place, can also mean low adrenals. When I was first on Armour, my lab numbers got to the place where they looked GOOD, but I felt awful -- hypo and hyper symptoms....and still low temps. I used a lot of adrenal support and that helped some, but once I started taking iron for the low ferritin, my body really seemed to be able to use Armour -- the hyper symptoms went away and the hypo ones are getting much better with each raise. (Now if it will only fix the fluorescent light problems once I get optimized.....)
Amy ________________________________ From: laurel canyon <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 12:11:51 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Armour thyroid Hi, I saw your post on Armour Thyroid which reminded me that I needed to look up what I could so that I can some how get better. My body temperature is all over the place.. but consistently low. It has even been around 95 point something for days. Then I read that the body needs selenium and zinc to produce certain of the needed thyroid hormones. I took some selenium and zinc(also needs manganese) and my body temp did come up some. But because of the trouble I have with EMF sensitivity, it has been difficult for me to tolerate minerals(which seems to draw the electricity worse into my body). Anyway, I am sending the link to the article I read and an exerpt which may be helpful to some if they were unaware of the following: Finally, again on the subject of gut dysbiosis, we know that yeast such as candida produce acetaldehyde, a very toxic chemical. If the body is chronically exposed to this chemical it can accumulate in body tissues and prevent T3 getting into the cells. This could be one explanation as to why thyroid blood tests come back normal when someone has hypothyroid symptoms and a low body temperature. The body would not know anything was wrong and would maintain blood levels of thyroid hormones as normal but the patient would experience hypothyroid symptoms. http://www.ei- resource. org/illness- information/ related-conditio ns/thyroid- treatments/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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