Fwd: Re: Stetzer filters

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----- Original message -----
From: "quaixemen" <[hidden email]>
To: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:07:01 -0000
Subject: Re: Stetzer filters

This is my first post. I hope I do it right. I have been using
stetzer filters also for at least a couple of months. I have 20 of
them in my aluminum trailer house with two aluminum roofs. After
about a week I was sleeping really good. But the effect on my sleep
didn't last although I am feeling really good now. I never thought
I'd feel this way again. And I believe it is partly due to the
filters. I have been grounding my home. I have many grounds now and
am using thick awg number 2 and number 4 wire and placing grounding
rods in parts of the ground that are usually wet. The grounding also
had a very good effect. I have a faraday cage inside my home,
actually two of them. One goes around a frequency plasma tube
device. When connecting the wire to the rod I could feel electricity
going through my hand even though the frequency generator was not on
at the time. The TV is next to it and I think it was pulling the
electricity from the TV and pulling it out of the house. I ground
the metal I beams under the house in areas where there are electrical
appliances and computers directly above on the floor. The grounding
and the stetzer filters are having a really good effect. But what I
am coming to suspect is that the microwaves have the most harmful
effect upon my body. I've been lining garments with a product called
velostat made by 3M which blocks microwaves. And this also is having
a tremendously good effect. One thing about the stetzer filters that
I haven't read about yet. A good comment about them is made at
http://www.emfservices.com/sensitivity.htm&e=9771 I think it is in
paragraph 3.2 where they discuss an alternative which is EMI
Filters. I have yet to talk with an electrician about installing
such a filter. But I plan to. And I would appreciate any comments by
anyone who knows anything about them or who has experience with
them. Thanks.








--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:
> > I have been using the Stetzer Filters for about 3 months now both
at
> > home and when I travel. To me, they do make a big difference in
that
> > area of the spectrum.
>
> Thanks for that info, Andrew!
>
> You've reported what your meter reads, but I'm also curious to know
> if you feel any better or worse from using these filters.
>
> Marc

I definitely FEEL a difference using the stetzer filters. A case in
point, my wife and I were staying at a B and B and I felt like hell
when I walked into the room. I got my meters out and the magnetic
fields didn't look that bad. The RF wasn't good so I checked the wall
sockets and the wires were carrying a lot of RF. I put the stetzers in
around the room and I could see better, my scalp relaxed, and I felt
better. Funny enough, when we were leaving, after I unplugged them, I
started feeling worse.
Yes, I think the stetzer filters help.
Andrew
On Aug 18, 2005, at 8:16 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

Was there also a smoke detector in the room? Could you neutralise this
with a Stetzer as well?

Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Andrew McAfee
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2005 12:59 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Fwd: Re: Stetzer filters


I definitely FEEL a difference using the stetzer filters. A case in  
point, my wife and I were staying at a B and B and I felt like hell  
when I walked into the room. I got my meters out and the magnetic  
fields didn't look that bad. The RF wasn't good so I checked the wall  
sockets and the wires were carrying a lot of RF. I put the stetzers in  
around the room and I could see better, my scalp relaxed, and I felt  
better. Funny enough, when we were leaving, after I unplugged them, I  
started feeling worse.
Yes, I think the stetzer filters help.
Andrew
On Aug 18, 2005, at 8:16 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

> When connecting the wire to the rod I could feel electricity going
> through my hand even though the frequency generator was not on at the
> time. The TV is next to it and I think it was pulling the electricity

> from the TV and pulling it out of the house. I ground the metal I
> beams under the house in areas where there are electrical appliances
> and computers directly above on the floor. The grounding and the
> stetzer filters are having a really good effect. But what I am coming

> to suspect is that the microwaves have the most harmful effect upon my

> body. I've been lining garments with a product called velostat made
> by 3M which blocks microwaves. And this also is having a tremendously

> good effect. One thing about the stetzer filters that I haven't read
> about yet. A good comment about them is made at
> http://www.emfservices.com/sensitivity.htm&e=9771 I think it is in
> paragraph 3.2 where they discuss an alternative which is EMI Filters.

> I have yet to talk with an electrician about installing such a filter.

> But I plan to. And I would appreciate any comments by anyone who knows




 
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Hello Sarah,

most smoke detectors I encounter are fed with a 9Volt battery.

However, I have encountered a smoke detector system in an appartment
builduing, which got enormous 30 kHz signals.

But. As I have measured, the current has to pass through the filter.
I mean, the values of the current passing through the filters are going
down, but in the mains (before the filter) they remain.
So, in the aforementioned case, the filters must be placed before the
current enters and leaves the smoke detector.
The smoke detector is the main cause of the radiation.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 08:02
Subject: RE: [eSens] Fwd: Re: Stetzer filters

I don't know about smoke detectors. What is their deal?
Andrew
On Aug 19, 2005, at 2:02 AM, Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison) wrote:

Hi Andrew,

By the way, where did you come up with the idea to plug multiple
Stetzer filters into a single power strip? I don't recall reading
about anyone else trying this before.

Marc

I can't take credit for that. I called Stetzer and he suggested it
after I told him that I was getting a whining sound from only one
filter in a socket.
Andrew
On Aug 19, 2005, at 12:57 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

Andrew McAfee wrote:
> I can't take credit for that. I called Stetzer and he suggested it
> after I told him that I was getting a whining sound from only one
> filter in a socket.

So do you have the recommended number of filters (20+), or can
you get away with less? When I read the recommended number
of filters, I have to laugh, because it seems like an absurdly
high amount, both in number and in cost. Certainly if you
only want to focus on the bedroom or the living room, you
must be able to get away with fewer filters?

from the benefits that I read that people are getting from
the Stetzer filters, I note that I have gotten essentially
the same benefits from my use of the Quantum power strips.
And at least with these, one unit makes a tangible
difference (to me, at least) throughout the house.

And I'm a bit confused about the recommendations for
the workplace. I read that a recommendation of using
just 2 Stetzer filters at work, while you've got 20
at home??? This seems silly to me, as my workplace is
MUCH worse than my home, with the hundreds of computers
and florescent lights there.

Marc

I agree. Both my workplace and my wife's office are horrible areas in
Stetzer readings. In our house, I have about 10 filters and that is
enough. I think in order to lower the levels in my wife's office to
below 50, I would need at least 10 if not 15. Those wall outlets in her
old office building seem to be independent of each other so they don't
cancel each other when I hook up a strip full of filters to one of
them.
So unless we put in a huge filter system at the fuse box for the whole
building, I think putting about 4 in every socket in the room (which
there are 3) might bring it down to a reasonable amount. I have 6 in
her office now and they still whine. I don't have all of them on outlet
strips though. I need to buy a couple more outlet strips and put 4 on
each.
The home was much easier because the levels were lower and the
canceling effect was noticeable (plug in a couple here and the next
wall socket was under 10 so I didn't need to plug one in there), etc.
Now, if I were in a big city apartment or condo, those readings might
be between 250-500 so that might take 20 filters or so filters to bring
down to under 50. I think it depends on the readings of each place. All
of this depends upon having a Stetzer meter too.
I don't know if there is another meter that can take the same readings.
One of you guys would know more about meters and what they can do than
me.
Andrew

On Aug 20, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

> Now, if I were in a big city apartment or condo, those readings might
> be between 250-500 so that might take 20 filters or so filters to bring
> down to under 50.

One thing I've noticed is that the readings I get on my Stetzerizer
meter seem rather random. That is, one night my bedroom can be reading
50, and then another night it can be reading 300. There's nothing
different that I can tell going on in my house, so the variability
presumably must be from the neighbors or the utility.

But again, I can plug in a $20 Quantum minimax or a $60 Quantum
power strip and get instant relief. I'm not sure what the additional
benefit might be to purchase $600 of Stetzerizer filters, other than
to get the reading on one meter to drop. :-)

Also, I'm still concerned that I may be incompatible with these
capacitor shunt filters -- it's not only the Stetzerizer filter
that's given me a sharp pain in my head... I once bought a power strip
with a capacitor RF filter in it that gave me the same reaction.

Marc

In a message dated 8/18/2005 8:00:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:
Yes, I think the stetzer filters help.
Andrew
hi All : ) I have the stetzer filters. I *definitely* notice a modest but
real difference from them and so does my husband who is the furthest from
electrical or any other kind of environmental sensitivity that you could get!
It feels "calmer" in our apartment. Also, a friend commented on how
calm it feels in the apartment.
I got them directly from stetzer electronics in Minnesota. That way, I
could buy as few or as many as I wanted (other places sell them as a set and
have more of the fliters that I really needed).
They were invented by Stetzer, who is an electrician and Graham, who is
a professor emeritus of electrical engineering from UC Berkeley.
Stephanie


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> I got them directly from stetzer electronics in Minnesota. That way, I
> could buy as few or as many as I wanted

Thanks for that info, Stephanie -- how many filters do you use in your
apartment?

Marc

In a message dated 8/19/2005 9:58:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:
By the way, where did you come up with the idea to plug multiple
Stetzer filters into a single power strip? I don't recall reading
about anyone else trying this before.
I am not the one who posted this but we have mulitple filters in one power
strip. there are guidelines I don't exactly remember but the more electronic
equipment on the power strip, the more filters you need. If you talk to dave
stetzer at stetzer electronics he could tell you the general rule. Stephanie


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

What ever works. I actually am using 2 Quantum power strips, one at
home and one in my wife's office.
Maybe that is what is making the difference.
Andrew

On Aug 20, 2005, at 4:19 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

It is my opinion, that a disadvantage of these filters is, that for the
european version, there is no earth connection pin.
There is only the flat 2-pin Euro plugin.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew McAfee" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 21:32
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Stetzer filters

charles wrote:
> It is my opinion, that a disadvantage of these filters is, that for the
> european version, there is no earth connection pin.
> There is only the flat 2-pin Euro plugin.

And why is this a disadvantage?

Marc

Hello Marc,

that should be obvious.

For instance, all my computer stuff must be earthed.

By placing a Stetzer filter in the mains socket, and than the other stuff
after that, I do not have an earth ground.
And then my magnetis fields can not fly away. ;o))

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 16:38
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Stetzer filters


> charles wrote:
> > It is my opinion, that a disadvantage of these filters is, that for the
> > european version, there is no earth connection pin.
> > There is only the flat 2-pin Euro plugin.
>
> And why is this a disadvantage?
>
> Marc

Hi,

I am considering to buy a Springlife Polarizer OM Pendant ( www.bioharmonics.com ).
Some people say they don't notice any difference whether or not they wear the pendant. Others, among which Marc, say that it sure does help.
I'd like to give it a try myself, so I've been reading the information on the Bioharmonics website and I find it very interesting..

In particular I found some very interesting pages:

[1] http://forums.bioharmonics.com/index.php?showtopic=22&st=15
"I have been working with several people with elecromagnetic sensitivity (EMS) lately and there are some similarities within all of them.

All have a very strong anti-bioenergy signature which is often seated in the head/brain area, and most in the back of the head/brain area involving the brain stem. There is also abnormal bioenergy patterns of the entire Central Nervous System (CNS). And many of them also have either heavy metal signatures and/or microbial ones."

[2] http://products.bioharmonics.com/polarizers/use/amalgams.htm
" Mercury has an Anti-Lime/Green energy signature, so mercury would be more likely to effect Lime and Green harmonic organs as well as Teal and Magenta, their opposing attractors. In the case of the pituitary gland, it is a Lime and Magenta harmonic. We also find the mercury energy signature in around the mouth, upper lymph system, brain, and brain stem areas."

Furthermore, the site states that there is a specific pattern for people with electromagnetic sensitivity:
[3] http://learn.bioharmonics.com/stages/stage2a.htm
"The pattern at C1/atlas zone has proven to be an indicator of the individual's susceptibility to anti-bioenergy sources like electromagnetic fields (EMF) and harmful geopathic energy emissions."

What I was wondering about, after reading all this:
* The Polarizer doesn't seem to be a real solution for eSens, like Linda Townsend says in her reply [1], but might still allevitate some ES-symptoms
* Has anyone tried the Harmonizer, as sold by Bioharmonics [1] ?
* Could it be that mercury and other heavy metals are the core cause of eSens and that the energies in the mercury upset the bio-energies causing the strange patterns, like shown on the bioharmonics website (anti-bioenergy in the brain stem, CNS, etc) [1] [3]
* Perhaps some people are badly affected by mercury and its energy patterns, whereas other people don't suffer that much from mercury and don't get eSens symptoms.

Whether or not person suffers from mercury might depend on different things, like perhaps the Biotype, as proposed by Bioharmonics and/or genetics, energetic make-up (astrological, etc).
I get the idea that mercury causes the anti-bioenergy patterns in the brain stem, because on another page, Linda Townsend writes that mercury affects the brain stem. [2]
In [1] she writes that a strong anti-bioenergy signature is found in the brain stem of eSens people. Also, it's known that mercury has a high affinity for the brain and the nervous system, so that makes sense too.

I probably have a load of mercury since I was born (or even before). My mother had a mouth full of "silver" fillings and the mercury gets "dumped" into the unborn baby during pregnancy.
I also had some thimerosal vaccinations during my early childhood.

I think that electromagnetic fields mobilise mercury and allow it to go places where it shouldn't go (blood-brain barrier, etc). I wasn't aware of being mercury-toxic or eSens until about age 19-20 (1998).
That's when I got ill, and that was the year when cellular phones were starting to become popular and more base stations were installed everywhere.
That's also when I started to get "allergic" reactions to sulfur-rich foods (as I learned later only in places with high high frequency radiation exposure). Sulfur mobilizes mercury and High frequency radiation allows it to go to places where it shouldn't be (the brain, nervous system, etc) by opening blood-brain barrier, etc.

I am continuing my mercury detoxification process and am currently at round number 3, using alpha lipoic acid 100mg, 8 times per day (each and every 3 hours, also during the night).
I already notice improvements especially emotionally. I also had bursts of anger and irritability like two others also had in this group:

[4] http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/1474
"I also felt extremely irritable and angry"

[5] http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/1476
" I agree on the irritability/anger symptoms when
mercury is flowing in your bloodstream -- when I was
experimenting with a rejuvenizer pendant last month,
I was not only experienced increased ES symptoms, but
I was also extremely angry by the end of the work day."

But I don't get those symptoms that much anymore. In fact, during the rounds, when I take lipoic acid and supplements around the clock, I feel better, more emotionally stable, much less withdrawn, more social, energetic and vital. The difference is quite amazing. Supplements are important also, that's what I've learned.
Also, I don't have the heart arythmia and very high heart rates anymore, hypoglycemia symptoms are virtually gone also. I do still have occassionaly night sweats. I wonder it that's a pathway to detox mercury?
As for eSens, so far, no big improvements but I do feel somewhat less fragile when I'm walking in supermarkets with lots of fluorescent lights. The anger/irritability comes the day after I stop taking lipoic acid (a round of 7 days followed by a 7 day pause) and diminishes in about 2 days. That makes sense because the mercury concentrations in the blood peak somewhat after the last dose is taken.

I've also tried some drops of NDF plus ( www.bioray2000.com ) and this seems to help also, but I am a bit cautious, because I'm not sure if it's a true chelator and I've read some "backfire" testimonials comparable to the ones on http://www.dmpsbackfire.com/default.shtml in several autism/mercury newsgroups.

In a few weeks I'll write a new report in which I'll let you know how I feel and it the mercury detox is helping eSens.
Specifics on the alpha lipoic acid frequent dosing mercury detoxing protocol can be found in my previous message.
Search for http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/messagesearch?query=lipoic .

If anyone has used the Bioharmonics Harmonizer, I am very interested in your results!

Take care,
Greetings from the Netherlands,

Ed

> I am considering to buy a Springlife Polarizer OM Pendant ( www.bioharmonics.com ).
> Some people say they don't notice any difference whether or not they wear the pendant.
> Others, among which Marc, say that it sure does help.

Yes, the percentage of folks that the Springlife Polarizers has
helped here seems to be pretty low. I can say from my own usage that
it is certainly not a complete solution for me either, but rather
part of a solution which includes other things, notably Quantum
power strips, supplements, and diet. The polarizers are one
of the best portable solutions I've found however, in terms
of effectiveness and my being able to tolerate them for an
extended period of time.

Also, if you are considering buying one, you might want to hold
off for a week or two -- their website says that they are
implementing a newer, better method of energy enhancement on
the Polarizers, although I'm not sure if/how this will affect
its usefulness for ES. It sounds like they will be offering
"upgrades" to current owners, so I will be sending in some
polarizers to have them upgraded, and then see if I can
tell the difference.

> [1] http://forums.bioharmonics.com/index.php?showtopic=22&st=15
> "I have been working with several people with elecromagnetic sensitivity (EMS)
> lately and there are some similarities within all of them.
> All have a very strong anti-bioenergy signature which is often seated
> in the head/brain area, and most in the back of the head/brain area

I have noticed myself that the effect of the Springlife Polarizers
are especially strong if I place it on the back of my neck (using
the provided clip, I can just clip it to the collar of my shirt).

> * Has anyone tried the Harmonizer, as sold by Bioharmonics [1] ?

I have not -- its too elxpensive to be an impulse purchase, and
seems like it'd be rather complex / inconvenient to use. Of
course, if it does all it caims, it would be worth it. But
I don't even see very many testimonials about it (although I
think this is because they don't want to make health claims
that will get them arrested)

> * Could it be that mercury and other heavy metals are the core
> cause of eSens

That has been my opinion for 5 years, and I've seen no reason
to change that opinion. I first read this theory in a Swedish
publication on mercury toxicity. I seem to be very heavy metal toxic,
based on my extreme reactions to supplements which are supposed
to detox heavy metals. Lately I've been using "Etherium Black"
from Harmonic Innerprises, which at least is tolerable at one
spray per day. However, that product does not have a lot of
testimonials or claims concerning its impact on heavy metals,
but from my own personal experience it seems to work (I know
full well the symptoms of detox, having tried dozens of
such products over the past 5 years). The one product that
they advertise as being good for heavy metal detox (Aulterra
spray) is too strong for me to use.

> I've also tried some drops of NDF plus ( www.bioray2000.com ) and
> this seems to help also, but I am a bit cautious, because I'm not
> sure if it's a true chelator and I've read some "backfire"

I think NDF is a true chelator, and one that focuses on the
nervous system and one where the toxins come out in your next
1-2 urinations -- so that makes it rather unique. But a bit
too strong for me, unless I follow it up with some Megahydrin
(which is either neutralizing the NDF or neutralizing the heavy
metals mobilized but not excreted).

Also, the following article on NDF from the makers of PCA-Rx is
rather troubling to me:

http://ssl.maxamlabs.com/MAXAM_ASP_CMS_Templates_STD_HTML.asp?PageINDX=18

Personally, I've used both PCA-Rx and NDF, and they both seem
to chelate metals to me, but again, they are both too strong for
me to use even at a minimal dose for very long.

Marc

The computers are a big source of my problem. One of the two that I
have is powered off. When it is on I can not rest on the floor. The
other is not turned on but it still has power to it except when I use
it and then it is turned on. I can not put my feet on the floor when
I am using it either. Would you be so kind as to explain what
specific steps you use to "earth" your computer. I would be forever
grateful. Thank you.



- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@m...> wrote:
> Hello Marc,
>
> that should be obvious.
>
> For instance, all my computer stuff must be earthed.
>
> By placing a Stetzer filter in the mains socket, and than the other
stuff for the
> > > european version, there is no earth connection pin.
> > > There is only the flat 2-pin Euro plugin.
> >
> > And why is this a disadvantage?
> >
> > Marc