Electric Lights

> I only meant to ask about the E question here, not being
> afraid of sounding stupid. I have been occupied with the
> other 100 things that CFIDS causes!!

Katrina -- okay, it sounds like you are in good hands. :-)
Obviously I didn't have all that facts! All I knew is that
your EMF sensitivity appeared to be getting worse, which to
me was an indication of doing something wrong. But I do
realize that when you've got lots of other issues, it all
becomes extremely complicated, and one has to prioritize
which issues to address first.

I also had chronic fatigue syndrome along with my ES 5 years ago
(in bed 20 hours/day, constantly ill, on medical leave of
absence from work), but fortunately I got over that part of
the illness in a couple years. But it required a huge expense
and trial & error, and doctors really never helped at all.
I did get quite a bit of help from "Wellness Consultants"
and "Nutritionists" who used EAV testing and muscle testing,
and used more natural supplements like those from Standard
Process.

In all your experimentations Katrina, have you ever tried
the supplement "Cellfood"? That one seemed to bring me
back from "near death" all by itself, although it didn't
do anything for my ES. And I could only tolerate a
small fraction of the recommended dose (2 drops/day
instead of 24)

Marc

Marc,

The "Cellfood" sounds familiar, from discussions...do you recall who makes it? A number of products have similar names.

Most Doctors, in all Specialties (and frankly Clinics and Naturopath types, too) have been essentially useless, or even damaging. But there are so many components to ME/CFS, small things may help temporarily, without addressing it's core issues.

I took something that sounded like Cellfood in the early days, and definitely felt better, but not cured. This is typical!

Right now I am taking Cell Signalling factors, which I really like.

Many with true, original CFS are now found to be in a form of Diastolic Heart Failure, probably due to Mitochondria damage, which may have originated with a virus....even a virus in the heart, or brain.

I have the absurd situation of a funder for the top Specialist in the World, yet little to live on daily. Sometimes this varies, or may change. Very frustrating, as I am learning all the protective things that can be done for my environment and EMF, which of course are dangerously escalating, just because of toxic and high tech times we live in.

Dr. Cheney is addressing "the terrain", which in theory would make me less sensitive/reactive to all of it.

I think this is what you were suggesting, just alot more complicated. Like restoring function to very damaged heart, muscles, nerves, and brain.

Yes, prioritizing..what a challenge. I'm now attempting to address all simultaneously. Feel that it is correct, but will be trial and error (like you know about), and can't keep up with all resources/lists and data. I have to follow allot of research to find what's connected, relevant, and to be addressed. (With a damaged brain, I might add).

So, I hope I can still ask elementary E questions, or for elementary clarification.

You said:
>>>And I could only tolerate a
> small fraction of the recommended dose (2 drops/day
> instead of 24)<<<

Very typical of ME/CFS and MCS.

>>>> (in bed 20 hours/day, constantly ill, on medical leave of
> absence from work), but fortunately I got over that part of
> the illness in a couple years.<<<<

I got "up" from 4 years of the same, but not well, no more working, and damage galore.
At least I get to get up and out part of every day. Some never do.


Thanks!

Katrina


--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:

> The "Cellfood" sounds familiar, from discussions...do you recall who
> makes it? A number of products have similar names.

The stuff I buy is from Lumina Health:

http://www.luminahealth.com/

But Lumina Health is merely a distributor. The stuff is manufactured
by NuScience, and then various companies sell it under their own
label:

http://nuscience.com/cellfood.htm

This is useful for people who seem to be unable to absorb nutrients
(and therefore get no benefit from) from supplements/foods using
the usual digestive route. By passing straight into the bloodstream
through the mucuous membranes, you can get some nutrition where you
might not otherwise.

> I took something that sounded like Cellfood in the early days, and
> definitely felt better, but not cured.

Yes, I didn't mean to imply that it was a complete solution, but
for me, out of the hundreds of supplements I've tried, it was
certainly one of the more useful supplements for overcoming
my fatigue and getting me out of bed.

Marc

>>>>This is useful for people who seem to be unable to absorb nutrients
> (and therefore get no benefit from) from supplements/foods using
> the usual digestive route.<<<<

Kinda sounds familiar, and makes sense. Maybe that's why it was helping me.

I do think with all I am doing that I have better absortion now will keep this in mind.

BTW, I do not think there has been one day of my "CFS" that I would describe what I felt as "Fatigue".
Perhaps semi-conscious,near death,Near faint, near paralysis, near coma,disoriented, scalding pain, uncoordinated, tortuous flu, bruised from head to toe, and multitude of others. But not fatigue.

Today I am not bedridden, but have multi-organ/system damage from whatever caused the above. Energy itself is quite good for awhile, but just erratically useful.
Have to make clear that "CFS" is not "Fatigue", even if you aready know that. Because many still do not. If one is "fatigued", they have something else.

Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome are listed in the WHO ICD-9 code under Neurological Illnesses.

The CDC is the culprit who gave us the misleading name.

Katrina


--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:

I have seen some Chinese-style hanging-spheric-paper lamps for
ceiling-hanging light bulbs. The paper blocks some of the
electron/particle rain coming from the light bulb. Also have seen
some desk onyx lamps (the onyx harmonizes the radiation coming from
the light). Both also highly decorative.

I prefer the dim room approach with lighting from another room in
some cases.

Flavio


--- In [hidden email], "kattemayo" <kattemayo@y...> wrote:
>
> I have increasing intolerance to all lights. (The electricity,
besides phototobia?) So, I am sitting in a dim room, with only
lighting from another room. I am sick of this.
>
> What do you guys use for lighting? I really need to have more
light, without buzzing, burning, of brain and skin.
>
> Is it electricity alone, or the type of materials...metals,
treatments, etc. I know in some cases, it is the heat, which I
cannot stand from anywhere.
>
> And...my covered flourescent in kitchen seems the only flourescent
on the planet I can tolerate (for awhile). Why would that be?
>
> KatrinaM
>

Hello Marc,

Your observation that a electrosmog device plugged into one socket will
influence everything in the house forward and backward is absolutely correct. This
same observation I could make with bioprotect especially when it is fixed to
the main cable, where it enters the house. It works best when there is a
current flowing in the cable and producing a magnetic field. It does not work with
the electric field alone. I have seen it working at least 50 m backwards and
forward to all the appliances in the house. But this effect can only be
explained through the existence of Tesla waves or scalar waves, wich actually cause
the unhealthy effect of EMF and always accompany any EMF, but are not identical
with the EMF you can measure with the ordinary equipment. As far as I can see
these Quantum products work all on the basis of these scalar waves. And as
fas as I can see in this list, hardly anyone seems to understand this. And trial
and error and all kinds of speculations go on endlessly.

Dietrich


> My understanding is that these
> do nothing to the electricity before it reaches the power strip.  Am
> I incorrect? 

My understanding is that the Quantum power strip and the Minimax
affect everything on the circuit to some degree, and everything
in the house to a lesser degree.  That is, the effect is propagated
both backwards and forwards on the line.  They are not nearly as
powerful as the Quantum Pro, but I think they affect more than
just what's plugged into them.

I've been told by dealers that they mostly affect things in a
7 foot radius, and the effect dies down the further away
you get.

BTW, at work, I don't have anything plugged into my Quantum
power strip, and it obviously makes a difference when used
that way.  I can control the degree of the effect by using
outlets that are more lightly or more heavily loaded, or by
moving them to outlets that are closer/further away from me.
That is, they have a stronger effect if plugged in next to
something that is using a lot of electricity, or if they
are plugged in close to you.

I'm not sure if you'll get this type of response from the
company that makes them, however.  These are simply my
observations after having used these for 4 years.  When
I told a dealer that my whole house seemed different
from simply using two power strips, his response was,
"You must be very sensitive".  Duh.  :-)

Marc




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----- Original Message -----
From: <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 23:00
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Electric Lights


> Hello Marc,
>
> Your observation that a electrosmog device plugged into one socket will
> influence everything in the house forward and backward is absolutely
correct. This
> same observation I could make with bioprotect especially when it is fixed
to
> the main cable, where it enters the house. It works best when there is a
> current flowing in the cable and producing a magnetic field. It does not
work with
> the electric field alone. I have seen it working at least 50 m backwards
and
> forward to all the appliances in the house. But this effect can only be
> explained through the existence of Tesla waves or scalar waves, wich
actually cause
> the unhealthy effect of EMF and always accompany any EMF, but are not
identical
> with the EMF you can measure with the ordinary equipment. As far as I can
see
> these Quantum products work all on the basis of these scalar waves. And as
> fas as I can see in this list, hardly anyone seems to understand this. And
trial

>
Hi,



To snow. thx so much, lately it was my compu out more than me, appreciate all that burned a little candlelight. And keep at it..



Gonna try the indigenous way here. A friend has gotten his 'degree' for treating foreigners, misspelled and otherwise, and sure think i wanna have that bush-bath finally.. as i am this jungle girl??



The eastern religions know the valuable lessons of what most would call mental illness (as well as Jesus warned us we would be considered crazy) Think you are far from schiz ?? know they are ES as well drasky// and remember that violet flame or other forms of prayer just in case (plus i knew someone that had both cancer and that one and preferred the former...)



This cancer thing comes up too much. I have a theory/hunch thing that say the lung thing comes from smoking plus man-made emf.. go out in the bush and so much less trouble (have not researched it, but feel thaT strong, not in front of the compu please, sure maybe better not at all, though we do need nicotinamida (??) also because of some prophet,,, ok quaziwoman here/// i admit it//





Feel i have to throw something in here although i can get at least 6 stupid jokes (at least make it tequila you wash your mouth with))





Sooooo eeerhhh ok anyone ordered from http://www.life-enthusiast.com could not stop there!!! coming day after tomorrow goodies!! let the ones that have not zoned me out (paranomia) know/





Love light



,I mean Ellen





Not from the same cause or such i heard say?? Maybe spoken too soon..










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