I'm looking at a rental that has forced air heating with an electric furnace. At first thought this would be ideal as oil and gas furnaces are a problem due to MCS and electric baseboard heating which I have now is a problem in terms of EMFs. But wondering if the electric furnace itself would produce a lot of EMFs. It is right in the hallway not far from the bedrooms. Does anyone have any experience with electric furnace? Any thoughts on how this might compare with electric baseboard heat as far as EMFs go? Thanks!
Oh, and also this is a manufactured home - you know, the ones that are put together somewhere else and then transported to the site - so also trying to research whether this type of home might be built with materials more reactive for someone with MCS. Thanks again. Russ Russ |
I once worked for an understanding employer, (well he was getting a good
deal and he knew it) who allowed me to work in this empty house doing cumputer aided design drawings for him. I used a battery powered laptop all electricity was off but I still felt in in the house, it turned out that the metal ducting for the warm air heating was conducting dirty power all around the place which set off my ES. - another job that went down the pan. puk In a message dated 26/10/2012 02:59:52 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: I'm looking at a rental that has forced air heating with an electric furnace. At first thought this would be ideal as oil and gas furnaces are a problem due to MCS and electric baseboard heating which I have now is a problem in terms of EMFs. But wondering if the electric furnace itself would produce a lot of EMFs. It is right in the hallway not far from the bedrooms. Does anyone have any experience with electric furnace? Any thoughts on how this might compare with electric baseboard heat as far as EMFs go? Thanks! Oh, and also this is a manufactured home - you know, the ones that are put together somewhere else and then transported to the site - so also trying to research whether this type of home might be built with materials more reactive for someone with MCS. Thanks again. Russ Russ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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--- On Thu, 10/25/12, russel395 <[hidden email]> wrote: I'm looking at a rental that has forced air heating with an electric furnace. At first thought this would be ideal as oil and gas furnaces are a problem due to MCS and electric baseboard heating which I have now is a problem in terms of EMFs. But wondering if the electric furnace itself would produce a lot of EMFs. It is right in the hallway not far from the bedrooms. Does anyone have any experience with electric furnace? Any thoughts on how this might compare with electric baseboard heat as far as EMFs go? Thanks! Russ, I have always lived in apartments with Electric Baseboard heat, but I don't turn it on. I have a plug in Oil Radiator that I can put in a room to heat it up before I get there. Or I can put it away from close proximity to me. Usually, I just wear a goose down jacket and gloves and hat in the house during the winter. There are two reasons for this: 1) because of ES; 2) because heat just goes right through the thin cheap walls and windows of fhe apartments and is a waste of money. So I only use heat when necessary. Oh, and also this is a manufactured home - you know, the ones that are put together somewhere else and then transported to the site - so also trying to research whether this type of home might be built with materials more reactive for someone with MCS. I may be wrong, but I thought most manufactured homes or prefab homes were mostly particle board. If you are sensitive to particle board, beware. Also, these homes tend to use the cheapest materials possible and may contain toxic foam insulation or even some of that toxic Chinese wallboard. Hard to say. If the home is over ten years old, maybe it has offgassed to some degree. But I am sensitive to particle board and that stuff never seems to offgas. C. Johnson [hidden email] Wireless Refugee ,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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As long as I do not use them, put them on, it is okay :-) .
Yes, heating was also quiet a problem for me in the last 4 years, especially as more and more households using electro systems. I tried in the last 4 years just to find central heating systems. I try aslo to find a country which is warm. Otherwise I can only use a wood and coal oven. Stefanie --- russel395 <[hidden email]> schrieb am Do, 25.10.2012: Von: russel395 <[hidden email]> Betreff: [eSens] Electric Furnace An: [hidden email] Datum: Donnerstag, 25. Oktober, 2012 19:24 Uhr I'm looking at a rental that has forced air heating with an electric furnace. At first thought this would be ideal as oil and gas furnaces are a problem due to MCS and electric baseboard heating which I have now is a problem in terms of EMFs. But wondering if the electric furnace itself would produce a lot of EMFs. It is right in the hallway not far from the bedrooms. Does anyone have any experience with electric furnace? Any thoughts on how this might compare with electric baseboard heat as far as EMFs go? Thanks! Oh, and also this is a manufactured home - you know, the ones that are put together somewhere else and then transported to the site - so also trying to research whether this type of home might be built with materials more reactive for someone with MCS. Thanks again. Russ Russ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Thanks puk. Was that metal ducting for an electric furnace or for a gas or oil one? I wonder if any metal ducting would cause the same problem or if this is would be worse with the electric furnace.
--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote: > > I once worked for an understanding employer, (well he was getting a good > deal and he knew it) who allowed me to work in this empty house doing > cumputer aided design drawings for him. I used a battery powered laptop all > electricity was off but I still felt in in the house, it turned out that the > metal ducting for the warm air heating was conducting dirty power all around > the place which set off my ES. - another job that went down the pan. > > puk > > > In a message dated 26/10/2012 02:59:52 GMT Daylight Time, > russturk@... writes: > > > > > I'm looking at a rental that has forced air heating with an electric > furnace. At first thought this would be ideal as oil and gas furnaces are a > problem due to MCS and electric baseboard heating which I have now is a problem > in terms of EMFs. But wondering if the electric furnace itself would > produce a lot of EMFs. It is right in the hallway not far from the bedrooms. > Does anyone have any experience with electric furnace? Any thoughts on how > this might compare with electric baseboard heat as far as EMFs go? Thanks! > > Oh, and also this is a manufactured home - you know, the ones that are put > together somewhere else and then transported to the site - so also trying > to research whether this type of home might be built with materials more > reactive for someone with MCS. > > Thanks again. > > Russ > > Russ > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Thanks C. Johnson. I tried using an oil filled space heater in one of the rooms in my current place where the electric baseboard was bothering me and the space heater was worse. Not sure why this might be. Maybe there are some types/brands that are better than others?
--- In [hidden email], "C.a.b. Johnson" <superdrove@...> wrote: > > > --- On Thu, 10/25/12, russel395 <russturk@...> wrote: > > > I'm looking at a rental that has forced air heating with an electric > furnace. At first thought this would be ideal as oil and gas furnaces > are a problem due to MCS and electric baseboard heating which I have > now is a problem in terms of EMFs. But wondering if the electric > furnace itself would produce a lot of EMFs. It is right in the hallway > not far from the bedrooms. Does anyone have any experience with > electric furnace? Any thoughts on how this might compare with electric > baseboard heat as far as EMFs go? Thanks! > > > > Russ, > > I have always lived in apartments with Electric Baseboard heat, but I don't turn it on. I have a plug in Oil Radiator that I can put in a room to heat it up before I get there. Or I can put it away from close proximity to me. Usually, I just wear a goose down jacket and gloves and hat in the house during the winter. There are two reasons for this: 1) because of ES; 2) because heat just goes right through the thin cheap walls and windows of fhe apartments and is a waste of money. So I only use heat when necessary. > > Oh, and also this is a manufactured home - you know, the ones that are > put together somewhere else and then transported to the site - so also > trying to research whether this type of home might be built with > materials more reactive for someone with MCS. > > > I may be wrong, but I thought most manufactured homes or prefab homes were mostly particle board. If you are sensitive to particle board, beware. Also, these homes tend to use the cheapest materials possible and may contain toxic foam insulation or even some of that toxic Chinese wallboard. Hard to say. If the home is over ten years old, maybe it has offgassed to some degree. But I am sensitive to particle board and that stuff never seems to offgas. > > C. Johnson > Superdrove@... > Wireless Refugee > ,_._,___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Yeah, you're right about the particle board in manufactured homes. Right after I made my initial post I did a couple google searches and figured that out. All sorts of people reporting problems with these types of homes including a lot of people displaced by Katrina who were put up in these units.
--- In [hidden email], "C.a.b. Johnson" <superdrove@...> wrote: > > > --- On Thu, 10/25/12, russel395 <russturk@...> wrote: > > > I'm looking at a rental that has forced air heating with an electric > furnace. At first thought this would be ideal as oil and gas furnaces > are a problem due to MCS and electric baseboard heating which I have > now is a problem in terms of EMFs. But wondering if the electric > furnace itself would produce a lot of EMFs. It is right in the hallway > not far from the bedrooms. Does anyone have any experience with > electric furnace? Any thoughts on how this might compare with electric > baseboard heat as far as EMFs go? Thanks! > > > > Russ, > > I have always lived in apartments with Electric Baseboard heat, but I don't turn it on. I have a plug in Oil Radiator that I can put in a room to heat it up before I get there. Or I can put it away from close proximity to me. Usually, I just wear a goose down jacket and gloves and hat in the house during the winter. There are two reasons for this: 1) because of ES; 2) because heat just goes right through the thin cheap walls and windows of fhe apartments and is a waste of money. So I only use heat when necessary. > > Oh, and also this is a manufactured home - you know, the ones that are > put together somewhere else and then transported to the site - so also > trying to research whether this type of home might be built with > materials more reactive for someone with MCS. > > > I may be wrong, but I thought most manufactured homes or prefab homes were mostly particle board. If you are sensitive to particle board, beware. Also, these homes tend to use the cheapest materials possible and may contain toxic foam insulation or even some of that toxic Chinese wallboard. Hard to say. If the home is over ten years old, maybe it has offgassed to some degree. But I am sensitive to particle board and that stuff never seems to offgas. > > C. Johnson > Superdrove@... > Wireless Refugee > ,_._,___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Thanks Stephanie. When you say you couldn't tolerate having them on, are you referring to electric baseboard or the less common electric furnace forced air type systems? Or have you tried both?
I've thought about moving to a warmer climate as well. --- In [hidden email], Stefanie Toth <stefaniet2@...> wrote: > > As long as I do not use them, put them on, it is okay :-) . > Yes, heating was also quiet a problem for me in the last 4 years, > especially as more and more households using electro systems. > I tried in the last 4 years just to find central heating systems. > I try aslo to find a country which is warm. Otherwise I can only use > a wood and coal oven. > > Stefanie > > > --- russel395 <russturk@...> schrieb am Do, 25.10.2012: > > Von: russel395 <russturk@...> > Betreff: [eSens] Electric Furnace > An: [hidden email] > Datum: Donnerstag, 25. Oktober, 2012 19:24 Uhr > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > I'm looking at a rental that has forced air heating with an electric furnace. At first thought this would be ideal as oil and gas furnaces are a problem due to MCS and electric baseboard heating which I have now is a problem in terms of EMFs. But wondering if the electric furnace itself would produce a lot of EMFs. It is right in the hallway not far from the bedrooms. Does anyone have any experience with electric furnace? Any thoughts on how this might compare with electric baseboard heat as far as EMFs go? Thanks! > > > > Oh, and also this is a manufactured home - you know, the ones that are put together somewhere else and then transported to the site - so also trying to research whether this type of home might be built with materials more reactive for someone with MCS. > > > > Thanks again. > > > > Russ > > > > Russ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
Most of the time I have to leave the power fuses off in my house. So I can't use
any heat system functioning on a power system. Therefore, I can't answer the question.. I can only use gas, oil, coal, wood ovens or central heating. Stefanie --- russel395 <[hidden email]> schrieb am So, 28.10.2012: Von: russel395 <[hidden email]> Betreff: [eSens] Re: Electric Furnace An: [hidden email] Datum: Sonntag, 28. Oktober, 2012 21:12 Uhr Thanks Stephanie. When you say you couldn't tolerate having them on, are you referring to electric baseboard or the less common electric furnace forced air type systems? Or have you tried both? I've thought about moving to a warmer climate as well. --- In [hidden email], Stefanie Toth <stefaniet2@...> wrote: > > As long as I do not use them, put them on, it is okay :-) . > Yes, heating was also quiet a problem for me in the last 4 years, > especially as more and more households using electro systems. > I tried in the last 4 years just to find central heating systems. > I try aslo to find a country which is warm. Otherwise I can only use > a wood and coal oven. > > Stefanie > > > --- russel395 <russturk@...> schrieb am Do, 25.10.2012: > > Von: russel395 <russturk@...> > Betreff: [eSens] Electric Furnace > An: [hidden email] > Datum: Donnerstag, 25. Oktober, 2012 19:24 Uhr > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > I'm looking at a rental that has forced air heating with an electric furnace. At first thought this would be ideal as oil and gas furnaces are a problem due to MCS and electric baseboard heating which I have now is a problem in terms of EMFs. But wondering if the electric furnace itself would produce a lot of EMFs. It is right in the hallway not far from the bedrooms. Does anyone have any experience with electric furnace? Any thoughts on how this might compare with electric baseboard heat as far as EMFs go? Thanks! > > > > Oh, and also this is a manufactured home - you know, the ones that are put together somewhere else and then transported to the site - so also trying to research whether this type of home might be built with materials more reactive for someone with MCS. > > > > Thanks again. > > > > Russ > > > > Russ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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in my last place, i had CEILING HEAT -
heat RISES and therefore it was fighting against nature and was very inefficient and EXTREMELY high in electromagnetic frequency... i too bought some oil-filled heaters thinking they would be better, yet when i aimed the EMF meter at them, the EMF was VERY high there too... anything that heats uses a great deal of EMF. i use them sparingly now... in the bathroom to prepare it for a shower, for instance. and there is forced air heat here... so i am following this conversation with great interest. the mechanical parts of the central air system are on the far side of the house, away from where i sit and sleep, but i am sure that the air intake thing is HUGE in EMF... it whirrs around at a high speed. EMF happens when energy moves through metal... fans, heaters, stoves, vacuums, hair dryers, etc... modern conveniences. thank you for sharing this information. love, patricia On Oct 28, 2012, at 1:06 PM, russel395 wrote: > Thanks C. Johnson. I tried using an oil filled space heater in one of the rooms in my current place where the electric baseboard was bothering me and the space heater was worse. Not sure why this might be. Maybe there are some types/brands that are better than others? > > --- In [hidden email], "C.a.b. Johnson" <superdrove@...> wrote: >> >> >> --- On Thu, 10/25/12, russel395 <russturk@...> wrote: >> >> >> I'm looking at a rental that has forced air heating with an electric >> furnace. At first thought this would be ideal as oil and gas furnaces >> are a problem due to MCS and electric baseboard heating which I have >> now is a problem in terms of EMFs. But wondering if the electric >> furnace itself would produce a lot of EMFs. It is right in the hallway >> not far from the bedrooms. Does anyone have any experience with >> electric furnace? Any thoughts on how this might compare with electric >> baseboard heat as far as EMFs go? Thanks! >> >> >> >> Russ, >> >> I have always lived in apartments with Electric Baseboard heat, but I don't turn it on. I have a plug in Oil Radiator that I can put in a room to heat it up before I get there. Or I can put it away from close proximity to me. Usually, I just wear a goose down jacket and gloves and hat in the house during the winter. There are two reasons for this: 1) because of ES; 2) because heat just goes right through the thin cheap walls and windows of fhe apartments and is a waste of money. So I only use heat when necessary. >> >> Oh, and also this is a manufactured home - you know, the ones that are >> put together somewhere else and then transported to the site - so also >> trying to research whether this type of home might be built with >> materials more reactive for someone with MCS. >> >> >> I may be wrong, but I thought most manufactured homes or prefab homes were mostly particle board. If you are sensitive to particle board, beware. Also, these homes tend to use the cheapest materials possible and may contain toxic foam insulation or even some of that toxic Chinese wallboard. Hard to say. If the home is over ten years old, maybe it has offgassed to some degree. But I am sensitive to particle board and that stuff never seems to offgas. >> >> C. Johnson >> Superdrove@... >> Wireless Refugee >> ,_._,___ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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Very intersting. It is exactly what I experienced. It is not just the electro lines, but how do you explain this to others. It is already hard for them to understand that you feel the power flow of elctro lines.
Thanks, Stefanie --- Auntie Patricia <[hidden email]> schrieb am So, 28.10.2012: Von: Auntie Patricia <[hidden email]> Betreff: Re: [eSens] Re: Electric Furnace An: [hidden email] Datum: Sonntag, 28. Oktober, 2012 22:44 Uhr in my last place, i had CEILING HEAT - heat RISES and therefore it was fighting against nature and was very inefficient and EXTREMELY high in electromagnetic frequency... i too bought some oil-filled heaters thinking they would be better, yet when i aimed the EMF meter at them, the EMF was VERY high there too... anything that heats uses a great deal of EMF. i use them sparingly now... in the bathroom to prepare it for a shower, for instance. and there is forced air heat here... so i am following this conversation with great interest. the mechanical parts of the central air system are on the far side of the house, away from where i sit and sleep, but i am sure that the air intake thing is HUGE in EMF... it whirrs around at a high speed. EMF happens when energy moves through metal... fans, heaters, stoves, vacuums, hair dryers, etc... modern conveniences. thank you for sharing this information. love, patricia On Oct 28, 2012, at 1:06 PM, russel395 wrote: > Thanks C. Johnson. I tried using an oil filled space heater in one of the rooms in my current place where the electric baseboard was bothering me and the space heater was worse. Not sure why this might be. Maybe there are some types/brands that are better than others? > > --- In [hidden email], "C.a.b. Johnson" <superdrove@...> wrote: >> >> >> --- On Thu, 10/25/12, russel395 <russturk@...> wrote: >> >> >> I'm looking at a rental that has forced air heating with an electric >> furnace. At first thought this would be ideal as oil and gas furnaces >> are a problem due to MCS and electric baseboard heating which I have >> now is a problem in terms of EMFs. But wondering if the electric >> furnace itself would produce a lot of EMFs. It is right in the hallway >> not far from the bedrooms. Does anyone have any experience with >> electric furnace? Any thoughts on how this might compare with electric >> baseboard heat as far as EMFs go? Thanks! >> >> >> >> Russ, >> >> I have always lived in apartments with Electric Baseboard heat, but I don't turn it on. I have a plug in Oil Radiator that I can put in a room to heat it up before I get there. Or I can put it away from close proximity to me. Usually, I just wear a goose down jacket and gloves and hat in the house during the winter. There are two reasons for this: 1) because of ES; 2) because heat just goes right through the thin cheap walls and windows of fhe apartments and is a waste of money. So I only use heat when necessary. >> >> Oh, and also this is a manufactured home - you know, the ones that are >> put together somewhere else and then transported to the site - so also >> trying to research whether this type of home might be built with >> materials more reactive for someone with MCS. >> >> >> I may be wrong, but I thought most manufactured homes or prefab homes were mostly particle board. If you are sensitive to particle board, beware. Also, these homes tend to use the cheapest materials possible and may contain toxic foam insulation or even some of that toxic Chinese wallboard. Hard to say. If the home is over ten years old, maybe it has offgassed to some degree. But I am sensitive to particle board and that stuff never seems to offgas. >> >> C. Johnson >> Superdrove@... >> Wireless Refugee >> ,_._,___ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
this is why i am beginning to think it might not
be such a bad thing to be electrically aware - others are oblivious to the ocean of EMF we are living in. at least when we are aware, we can DO something about it - if nothing else, we can move to safer ground. ? and we can start educating people, including utility companies and companies that make bad EMF products - to encourage them to take this pollution seriously and help ourselves and others get back to a healthier world. we are valuable in this work. we have a clue... some don't. love, patricia On Oct 29, 2012, at 2:36 AM, Stefanie Toth wrote: > Very intersting. It is exactly what I experienced. It is not just the electro lines, but how do you explain this to others. It is already hard for them to understand that you feel the power flow of elctro lines. > > Thanks, Stefanie > > > --- Auntie Patricia <[hidden email]> schrieb am So, 28.10.2012: > > Von: Auntie Patricia <[hidden email]> > Betreff: Re: [eSens] Re: Electric Furnace > An: [hidden email] > Datum: Sonntag, 28. Oktober, 2012 22:44 Uhr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my last place, i had CEILING HEAT - > > heat RISES and therefore it was fighting > > against nature and was very inefficient and > > EXTREMELY high in electromagnetic frequency... > > > > i too bought some oil-filled heaters > > thinking they would be better, yet when > > i aimed the EMF meter at them, the EMF > > was VERY high there too... anything that > > heats uses a great deal of EMF. i use them > > sparingly now... in the bathroom to prepare > > it for a shower, for instance. and there is > > forced air heat here... so i am following > > this conversation with great interest. > > > > the mechanical parts of the central air > > system are on the far side of the house, > > away from where i sit and sleep, but i am > > sure that the air intake thing is HUGE in > > EMF... it whirrs around at a high speed. > > > > EMF happens when energy moves through > > metal... fans, heaters, stoves, vacuums, > > hair dryers, etc... modern conveniences. > > > > thank you for sharing this information. > > love, patricia > > > > On Oct 28, 2012, at 1:06 PM, russel395 wrote: > > > >> Thanks C. Johnson. I tried using an oil filled space heater in one of the rooms in my current place where the electric baseboard was bothering me and the space heater was worse. Not sure why this might be. Maybe there are some types/brands that are better than others? > >> > >> --- In [hidden email], "C.a.b. Johnson" <superdrove@...> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> --- On Thu, 10/25/12, russel395 <russturk@...> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> I'm looking at a rental that has forced air heating with an electric > >>> furnace. At first thought this would be ideal as oil and gas furnaces > >>> are a problem due to MCS and electric baseboard heating which I have > >>> now is a problem in terms of EMFs. But wondering if the electric > >>> furnace itself would produce a lot of EMFs. It is right in the hallway > >>> not far from the bedrooms. Does anyone have any experience with > >>> electric furnace? Any thoughts on how this might compare with electric > >>> baseboard heat as far as EMFs go? Thanks! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Russ, > >>> > >>> I have always lived in apartments with Electric Baseboard heat, but I don't turn it on. I have a plug in Oil Radiator that I can put in a room to heat it up before I get there. Or I can put it away from close proximity to me. Usually, I just wear a goose down jacket and gloves and hat in the house during the winter. There are two reasons for this: 1) because of ES; 2) because heat just goes right through the thin cheap walls and windows of fhe apartments and is a waste of money. So I only use heat when necessary. > >>> > >>> Oh, and also this is a manufactured home - you know, the ones that are > >>> put together somewhere else and then transported to the site - so also > >>> trying to research whether this type of home might be built with > >>> materials more reactive for someone with MCS. > >>> > >>> > >>> I may be wrong, but I thought most manufactured homes or prefab homes were mostly particle board. If you are sensitive to particle board, beware. Also, these homes tend to use the cheapest materials possible and may contain toxic foam insulation or even some of that toxic Chinese wallboard. Hard to say. If the home is over ten years old, maybe it has offgassed to some degree. But I am sensitive to particle board and that stuff never seems to offgas. > >>> > >>> C. Johnson > >>> Superdrove@... > >>> Wireless Refugee > >>> ,_._,___ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------ > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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