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Hi, Christin,
We thought of trying to build a house from scratch too. I am very glad we didn’t, and instead bought an old fixer which needed major work. For one thing, I have MCS and major chemical and mold intolerances besides ES. Buying an old house allowed us to avoid a lot of the new, “improved” chemically dense products hardware stores and lumber yards sell these days. Looking for a house which could work for me was hard, tho—many homes here have serious mold issues and this doesn’t even count how hard it is to find one in an ES free zone. But finding one which didn’t have mold was helpful. It means it is not likely to have serious mold issues in the future either. Also here we have a lot of radon underground. It was simple to test for radon and see that, too, was low. Dealing with contractors who do not understand our needs/ problems is not a peachy situation either. It was hard enough to get them on the same page with us even when I was the sub-contractor and bought all the materials to be used myself (and did a lot of the actual work myself, too, I might add). None of them listened totally and did totally what I asked them to do, even when it was in writing. I was firing and rehiring constantly. I went thru 6 electricians—5 actual ones, and the first one who was injured on another job, before he got to do any of my work. Only the one who was injured really understood what I wanted; the rest only half listened and said, “yes, yes, lady. We have done all this before.” Of course they hadn’t, but there was no telling them that. I did keep control of the electrical situation, somewhat, by hiring each one to do a small part of the whole job. That way, if he didn’t work out, I didn’t have to fire him and lose up front money. But I had to watch them from morning to night to make sure they were, in fact, doing what I had asked. I have said it would have been easier (and taken less time) to have gone to electrical school and learned to rewire the house myself. That is no joke. It would have been! In a world with do-overs, this is the way I would try to go. For me, personally, I could not have taken building a house from scratch. Even the fixer was an emotional ordeal from beginning to end, and I am one who in the past was quite easy going and emotionally detached during home improvements. We had rebuilt fixers in the past; I had sub-contracted in the past. There is not a lot which gets to me, but this project did. We still have some work in the bathroom and a total over-haul in the kitchen. I am already working out how to do most of the work myself. No kidding. I would rather take 5 years doing hard labor (and I am 60 years old) than have to spend 6 months more banging my head against the wall with contractors who think they can modify what they want and it will fit my needs. Give the total build a lot of thought and talk in depth with a lot of contractors. Understand that many contractors will say anything up front in order to get your contract. Then they will keep you hanging for months on end while they do easier projects (and any project which comes down the pike is easier! I had one electrician who showed up only once or twice a month!) Have multiple contractors standing in line who you are convinced know what you want and what they are doing before going there. Perhaps in some areas of the country you can find qualified people who will listen to your needs, but that was not the case where we live. Even contractors who came highly rated by others gave me fits because they failed to understand I had special needs which they could not arbitrarily dismiss just because they were uncomfortable with doing things a different way than they were used to doing them. Good luck, Diane ________________________________ From: Christin Lussier <[hidden email]> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch If you could start from scratch....what would you do to protect everyone inside from EMF's. We are trying to start thinking about this now as we will be able to do something like this in a couple years. Mahalo, Christin Brezil Grain-Free Granola Head, wife to Thomas and momma to 3 boys {Dylan Bryce 10 }{ Evan Lane 5 }{ Lucian Kai 2 } "Simplicity is the ultimate form of sophistication." ~ Leonardo da Vinci http://www.facebook.com/thomasandchristin http://www.westonaprice.org/ http://www.gaps.me/ ________________________________ From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Celiac Good information. I am not dairy free. I culture my raw organic local goat milk into Kefir and do eat raw organic cheese and cultured butter. I love it and don't have any intestinal issues with the cultured products. Good to know your systems are similar which gives me some confirmation. Thank you! Andrew On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:17 AM, Evie wrote: > Hi, Andrew, > > I also became super-reactive after I went gf. I began reacting to other things very strongly the first 5 to 6 years. [It makes sense if you think about it: if I had it to do over again, I think I would take going totally gf much slower. I think my immune system was so busy putting out gluten antibody police, that they became marauders after the gluten disappeared almost overnight.] My mast cells seemed to go crazy during that time. That was when I began reacting to touching things. I had had MCS for decades, but in the early 2000s it was like MCS on steroids. > > > I then became intolerant to almost all foods. I got over that in the 4th year after going gf by killing off gut bugs galore--bacterial and yeasts--and taking huge amounts of quercitin. > > > I had terrible problems with sugars. I finally gave them up totally the 4th year after I went gf, too. I reacted to sugar like it was an opiate. Not kidding! Seeing pink elephants dancing in the room is no joke. I had the sweats, shakes, and the whole withdrawal deal! I thought I would go insane for about 6 weeks. I was bad when I went gf, too--same thing; I had bad withdrawal, but it was much worse with sugars. My nutritionist said I was likely harboring bad bugs that were dying off, also, causing herxheimer reactions. I had my doubts while going thru it, but I finally made it and it was uphill all the way after that, Andrew! So, hang in there; sugar-free worked for me! > > Also, I should mention.... I became diabetic just after going gf (I had been pre-diabetic hypoglycemic from the time I first had pancreatitis when I was 16). I think there is something biologically happening when you go gf which affects the way your body processes sugars. I can now eat grains, btw, and have high carb veggies, and can tolerate some actual cane sugar, but it was a good 5 years off sugars before I could tolerate much of these at all. I do find that certain emfs affect my bs. And, it seems, emfs at my old house also made my bs higher--my 3 month average bs dropped 10+ points just from moving. I mention the diabetes because the hot foot thing can be a symptom I get, too--I think it is a diabetic neuropathy symptom (and foot tingling, as well). You might want to ask your doc about that, if you haven't yet. B12 can help neuropathies. You can see about that too. > > > As Cab said, also, I went dairy-free for nearly a year, too. I think you already do that, tho. > > Good luck; my prayers are with you, Andrew, > Diane > > > > ________________________________ > From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 10:51 PM > Subject: [eSens] Celiac > > I have become much more sensitive to sugars in all of its forms, grains, alcohol, sweets, etc. My feet will tingle from lack of circulation or become hot at night after having sugar. > It seems by body is becoming more sensitive and is communicating louder and louder as I remove it more and more. > I did get a DNA test that showed I was Celiac as well, a low level functioning one, but none the less, technically a celiac result. > So, my wife and I are off grains as much as possible. > I think there is something else that is cause a system wide shut down and screwing things up on a larger level and this is just one thing. I don't have hard proof yet. Still doing tests. Did a $550 test last month on mold and this month a $650 on fungus/yeast. We'll see after researching the data with my health counselor/chinese herbalist/acupuncturist. > I'll let you know if I find some relevant to others. > Thank you Diane. Please share what works for you. > Andrew > > > On Nov 5, 2011, at 9:52 PM, Evie wrote: > >> GAPS sounds an AWFUL LOT like celiac disease, Andrew! Celiac disease acted exactly that way for me when I was young. My adrenals were toast from my early teens on. By age 16, I had had my first bout with pancreatitis. From there, it was downhill to even worse and more dangerous things. I next had pernicious anemia (sign of severe vitamin/ mineral deficiency and gut leaking) and then serious liver disease. >> >> >> How is that (celiac diet) going for you, btw? Have you been able to notice anything good, yet? It took at least a year till I started improving. I saw tiny improvements at about 10 months. Hope it goes quicker for you. >> >> Good luck, >> Diane >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 6:31 AM >> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF effects on Estrogen levels >> >> GAPS (Gut and Psychology Syndrome) >> by McBride >> >> http://www.gaps.me/ >> >> Talks about how too much adrenal stress, cortisol deteriorates the stomach lining which causes reduced stomach acid, lowered food digestion, pancreatic problems, and feeds the whole cycle of thyroid problems, hair loss, etc. >> >> She bases all back to gut probiotics as the ultimate source. >> >> Andrew >> >> On Nov 5, 2011, at 2:17 AM, Cheryl Griffing wrote: >> >>> Hi Lizzie, >>> >>> I also have thyroid problems, as well as extremely low estrogen levels. Primarily I have the hyper variety of the thyroid, although it did swing to hypo for awhile. Is this common? I get very confused about how all these hormones work together... >>> >>> >>> Thanks for the response. >>> >>> Cheryl >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> >>> To: [hidden email] >>> Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 2:51 PM >>> Subject: RE: [eSens] EMF effects on Estrogen levels >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> Emfs throw the whole thyroid gland out of whack. the thryroid is responsible for making the hormones. >>> Also, any SOY in your food will effect estrogen levels, as SOY mimics estrogen. Also plastics and other chemicals are "endocrine dysrupters" as well. >>> Lizzie >>> >>> >>> To: [hidden email] >>> From: [hidden email] >>> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:56:14 +0000 >>> Subject: [eSens] EMF effects on Estrogen levels >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> Does anybody know how EMF effects the levels of estrogen in our bodies, especially in women? 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Well I thought of that also when the biologist told me the reason I feel better in these big commercial buildings was coduit..If it's metal doesn't that conduct?
But people in snowflake are using metal roofs and walls to shield the microwaves so I guess it works. Don't understand this elctricity thing really. It's very difficult and tricky. Loni --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Evie <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 10:36 AM Hi, Loni, By conduit, I presume you mean metal pipe +/or metal shielded electrical cable? We went that way when we wired our house. At the time, I was fence sitting on the entire idea; I knew it had been recommended by the experts, but I felt a small voice inside saying maybe it was not a good idea. Unfortunately, I did not listen to that “still small voice” and went with it anyway. The experts told me that as long as you can *keep the bad frequencies OUT* of your house, metal-shielded (hospital grade) cable was/ is the way to go. But, I had not really lived in this house for very long, so I didn’t have a clear picture of what I was going to have to keep out (it was an old fixer we bought and remodeled pretty much down to the brick shell, although we kept the hardwood floors intact—some plaster walls stayed, some were replaced). Also, in the couple years since we had the wiring installed, major frequency changes have come along—namely, smart meters and 4LTE. Well, the important words here are “as long as you can keep bad frequencies OUT”. In today’s frequency mine-field, it is not really feasible to believe you will be able to *totally* keep bad frequencies out, period. It just is not going to happen unless you can live somewhere in an underground bunker. Luckily I was able to improve my health enough to make up the difference, because the hospital-grade metal shielded cable, which cost 3 to 4X the cost of regular cable, both for the cable and to install it, did not ultimately work. It works great about 2/3 of the time, but when the neighbors turn on all their wireless gadgets, and the military blasts whatever it is they are using, and the utilities run their smart meter hook-ups, and satellites are beaming frequencies from outer space…. Well, you get the picture. There seems, from my perspective, not to be nearly as many ways to shield when you have metal cable drawing it all in and refracting it around. And this makes sense—if we are admonished not to have metal furniture and mirrors in our homes, why would it then make sound sense to use metal-shielded cable? Just my 2 cents, Diane ________________________________ From: Loni <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch Conduit! For sure a must! Loni [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Have most of you taken down wall mounted mirrors? We can use a hand held if needed. Thanks for the tip on not using metal shielded wiring. I would like to talk to you after the holidays on rewiring. Kathy --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: Building a house from scratch To: "[hidden email]" < Also, in the couple years since we had the wiring installed, major frequency changes have come along—namely, smart meters and 4LTE. Well, the important words here are “as long as you can keep bad frequencies OUT”. In today’s frequency mine-field, it is not really feasible to believe you will be able to *totally* keep bad frequencies out, period. It just is not going to happen unless you can live somewhere in an underground bunker. It works great about 2/3 of the time, but when the neighbors turn on all their wireless gadgets, and the military blasts whatever it is they are using, and the utilities run their smart meter hook-ups, and satellites are beaming frequencies from outer space…. Well, you get the picture. There seems, from my perspective, not to be nearly as many ways to shield when you have metal cable drawing it all in and refracting it around. And this makes sense—if we are admonished not to have metal furniture and mirrors in our homes, why would it then make sound sense to use metal-shielded cable? Just my 2 cents, Diane ________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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It could be the difference is that in those big commercial buildings where they use the metal conduit that they are also better shielded and have better shielding materials. My experience is the same as yours. Once I used good shielding materials in my home and put a lot of my wiring in metal conduit it began to feel like a much more expensive home and i liked it much better. I am shielded wth aluminum siding and aluminum skirting on a mobile home that has two metal roofs as well.
--- In [hidden email], Loni <loni326@...> wrote: > > Well I thought of that also when the biologist told me the reason I feel better in these big commercial buildings was coduit..If it's metal doesn't that conduct? >  > But people in snowflake are using metal roofs and walls to shield the microwaves so I guess it works. >  > Don't understand this elctricity thing really. It's very difficult and tricky. >  > Loni > > --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > > From: Evie <evie15422@...> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch > To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> > Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 10:36 AM > > > >  > > > > Hi, Loni, >  > By conduit, I presume you > mean metal pipe +/or metal shielded electrical cable? We went that way when we wired our > house. At the time, I was fence sitting > on the entire idea; I knew it had been recommended by the experts, but I felt a > small voice inside saying maybe it was not a good idea. Unfortunately, I did not listen to that âstill > small voiceâ and went with it anyway. >  > The experts told me that as > long as you can *keep the bad frequencies OUT* of your house, metal-shielded > (hospital grade) cable was/ is the way to go. But, I had not really lived in this house for very long, so I didnât > have a clear picture of what I was going to have to keep out (it was an old > fixer we bought and remodeled pretty much down to the brick shell, although we > kept the hardwood floors intactâ"some plaster walls stayed, some were > replaced). Also, in the couple years > since we had the wiring installed, major frequency changes have come > alongâ"namely, smart meters and 4LTE. >  > Well, the important words here > are âas long as you can keep bad frequencies OUTâ. In todayâs frequency mine-field, it is not > really feasible to believe you will be able to *totally* keep bad frequencies > out, period. It just is not going to > happen unless you can live somewhere in an underground bunker. Luckily I was able to improve my health > enough to make up the difference, because the hospital-grade metal shielded > cable, which cost 3 to 4X the cost of regular cable, both for the cable and to > install it, did not ultimately work.  It > works great about 2/3 of the time, but when the neighbors turn on all their > wireless gadgets, and the military blasts whatever it is they are using, and > the utilities run their smart meter hook-ups, and satellites are beaming > frequencies from outer spaceâ¦. Well, you > get the picture. >  > There seems, from my > perspective, not to be nearly as many ways to shield when you have metal cable > drawing it all in and refracting it around. And this makes senseâ"if we are admonished not to have metal furniture and > mirrors in our homes, why would it then make sound sense to use metal-shielded > cable? >  > Just my 2 cents, > Diane > > ________________________________ > From: Loni <loni326@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:48 PM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch > > Conduit!  For sure a must! Loni > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Hi, Quaixemen,
Well, this does make some sense then.... You have metal armor on the electrical wiring to keep the frequencies inside it, plus metal armor on your house to help keep the frequencies outside of it. How did you deal with your telephone, internet, and water hookups? And are you *completely* symptom free now when inside your home? I had an interesting adventure last winter when my husband needed hernia surgery. We went to UPMC in Pittsburgh, which is a group of interconnected hospitals. We checked into Montefiore Hospital and had to stay in the out-patient surgery wing there for about 2 hours--it was really soupy with emfs and I felt emfs the entire time there. Then, when they did the surgery, they transferred my husband to Presby Hospital which had been recently renovated, and I was moved to the waiting area there. (You get there by a window-enclosed bridge overlooking the road below.) Well, I went in and explored the new waiting areas--gorgeous, I have to say; like a 5 star hotel; marble floors and palm trees, a bank, a Starbucks coffee shop.... It was wifi-ed to the max. I could go into a 3 page dissertation on all that I saw there, but suffice it to say, it was the most wireless intense installation I have ever been in. But I didn't feel frequencies there at all! There was, I kid you not, one entire room full of posh recliners devoted solely to waiting family members who wanted to spend the day on their wireless laptops. I went in there just to see how I would do; there were probably 15 people online at the time--I felt very little and it was apparent that the only thing I could feel were emfs off of the various laptops. Once outside the room I could feel nothing. The reason I bring this up is, it is apparent to me that there are places where someone has put a great deal of thought into the electrics/ digital and wireless frequencies/ etc to make them all compatible with one another and with people. I saw this also in my travels thru Virginia--especially Norfolk--this summer. However, we with ES don't hear much in this regard, just as we don't hear or find much on how to set up our own homes. When we did our remodel, we bought this house because it was brick, etc, because, according to info we had at the time, this was a good blocking material. If we had known metal was the way to go, we certainly would have done that. What I am saying is, why is there not more info like this out there available to us, since it apparently exists for the corporate sector??? Are these geniuses guarding all of their building secrets or what? And why aren't our communities getting set up correctly? Sorry for the rant. However, I think this is important for us to know--there is already a better way! Getting the info is just very difficult. Diane ________________________________ From: fantasticsam131 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 8:03 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Building a house from scratch It could be the difference is that in those big commercial buildings where they use the metal conduit that they are also better shielded and have better shielding materials. My experience is the same as yours. Once I used good shielding materials in my home and put a lot of my wiring in metal conduit it began to feel like a much more expensive home and i liked it much better. I am shielded wth aluminum siding and aluminum skirting on a mobile home that has two metal roofs as well. --- In [hidden email], Loni <loni326@...> wrote: > > Well I thought of that also when the biologist told me the reason I feel better in these big commercial buildings was coduit..If it's metal doesn't that conduct? >  > But people in snowflake are using metal roofs and walls to shield the microwaves so I guess it works. >  > Don't understand this elctricity thing really. It's very difficult and tricky. >  > Loni > > --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > > From: Evie <evie15422@...> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch > To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> > Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 10:36 AM > > > >  > > > > Hi, Loni, >  > By conduit, I presume you > mean metal pipe +/or metal shielded electrical cable? We went that way when we wired our > house. At the time, I was fence sitting > on the entire idea; I knew it had been recommended by the experts, but I felt a > small voice inside saying maybe it was not a good idea. Unfortunately, I did not listen to that “still > small voiceâ€� and went with it anyway. >  > The experts told me that as > long as you can *keep the bad frequencies OUT* of your house, metal-shielded > (hospital grade) cable was/ is the way to go. But, I had not really lived in this house for very long, so I didn’t > have a clear picture of what I was going to have to keep out (it was an old > fixer we bought and remodeled pretty much down to the brick shell, although we > kept the hardwood floors intactâ€"some plaster walls stayed, some were > replaced). Also, in the couple years > since we had the wiring installed, major frequency changes have come > alongâ€"namely, smart meters and 4LTE. >  > Well, the important words here > are “as long as you can keep bad frequencies OUTâ€�. In today’s frequency mine-field, it is not > really feasible to believe you will be able to *totally* keep bad frequencies > out, period. It just is not going to > happen unless you can live somewhere in an underground bunker. Luckily I was able to improve my health > enough to make up the difference, because the hospital-grade metal shielded > cable, which cost 3 to 4X the cost of regular cable, both for the cable and to > install it, did not ultimately work.  It > works great about 2/3 of the time, but when the neighbors turn on all their > wireless gadgets, and the military blasts whatever it is they are using, and > the utilities run their smart meter hook-ups, and satellites are beaming > frequencies from outer space…. Well, you > get the picture. >  > There seems, from my > perspective, not to be nearly as many ways to shield when you have metal cable > drawing it all in and refracting it around. And this makes senseâ€"if we are admonished not to have metal furniture and > mirrors in our homes, why would it then make sound sense to use metal-shielded > cable? >  > Just my 2 cents, > Diane > > ________________________________ > From: Loni <loni326@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:48 PM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch > > Conduit!  For sure a must! Loni > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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Hi, I had my Electrician use the MC Cable to shield my computer outlets. MC is shielded conduit that is used mostly in commercial buildings. He ran all new MC wiring from the outlets to the main box. The wiring itself is twisted to lower the emfs coming off the wires, then wrapped or enclosed in the metal conduit. These two factors are supposed to greatly lower the emfs coming off of the wiring. I also had him put both our computers on two separate circuits by themselves. My daughter felt a HUGE difference! If that metal roofed trailer has well water and NOT city water...and the tele lines are also shielded in conduit- this might explain why the house is lower emf. It probably won't stop all the dirty stuff, but does cut it down alot, I would think, based on our experience. On the other hand, I have been in buildings with metal roofs, and come to the conclusion, that in cases where cell phones are used, and bad or regular wiring are used, this seems to be a HOT spot for me! I can't stand being in those buildings! But if inside is devoid of wireless, and has shielded wiring/cables..I'd love to have the chance to try one out to see if the metal roof and alum siding actually DO make the inside cleaner. Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 08:45:10 -0800 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Building a house from scratch Hi, Quaixemen, Well, this does make some sense then.... You have metal armor on the electrical wiring to keep the frequencies inside it, plus metal armor on your house to help keep the frequencies outside of it. How did you deal with your telephone, internet, and water hookups? And are you *completely* symptom free now when inside your home? I had an interesting adventure last winter when my husband needed hernia surgery. We went to UPMC in Pittsburgh, which is a group of interconnected hospitals. We checked into Montefiore Hospital and had to stay in the out-patient surgery wing there for about 2 hours--it was really soupy with emfs and I felt emfs the entire time there. Then, when they did the surgery, they transferred my husband to Presby Hospital which had been recently renovated, and I was moved to the waiting area there. (You get there by a window-enclosed bridge overlooking the road below.) Well, I went in and explored the new waiting areas--gorgeous, I have to say; like a 5 star hotel; marble floors and palm trees, a bank, a Starbucks coffee shop.... It was wifi-ed to the max. I could go into a 3 page dissertation on all that I saw there, but suffice it to say, it was the most wireless intense installation I have ever been in. But I didn't feel frequencies there at all! There was, I kid you not, one entire room full of posh recliners devoted solely to waiting family members who wanted to spend the day on their wireless laptops. I went in there just to see how I would do; there were probably 15 people online at the time--I felt very little and it was apparent that the only thing I could feel were emfs off of the various laptops. Once outside the room I could feel nothing. The reason I bring this up is, it is apparent to me that there are places where someone has put a great deal of thought into the electrics/ digital and wireless frequencies/ etc to make them all compatible with one another and with people. I saw this also in my travels thru Virginia--especially Norfolk--this summer. However, we with ES don't hear much in this regard, just as we don't hear or find much on how to set up our own homes. When we did our remodel, we bought this house because it was brick, etc, because, according to info we had at the time, this was a good blocking material. If we had known metal was the way to go, we certainly would have done that. What I am saying is, why is there not more info like this out there available to us, since it apparently exists for the corporate sector??? Are these geniuses guarding all of their building secrets or what? And why aren't our communities getting set up correctly? Sorry for the rant. However, I think this is important for us to know--there is already a better way! Getting the info is just very difficult. Diane ________________________________ From: fantasticsam131 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 8:03 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Building a house from scratch It could be the difference is that in those big commercial buildings where they use the metal conduit that they are also better shielded and have better shielding materials. My experience is the same as yours. Once I used good shielding materials in my home and put a lot of my wiring in metal conduit it began to feel like a much more expensive home and i liked it much better. I am shielded wth aluminum siding and aluminum skirting on a mobile home that has two metal roofs as well. --- In [hidden email], Loni <loni326@...> wrote: > > Well I thought of that also when the biologist told me the reason I feel better in these big commercial buildings was coduit..If it's metal doesn't that conduct? >  > But people in snowflake are using metal roofs and walls to shield the microwaves so I guess it works. >  > Don't understand this elctricity thing really. It's very difficult and tricky. >  > Loni > > --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > > From: Evie <evie15422@...> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch > To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> > Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 10:36 AM > > > >  > > > > Hi, Loni, >  > By conduit, I presume you > mean metal pipe +/or metal shielded electrical cable? We went that way when we wired our > house. At the time, I was fence sitting > on the entire idea; I knew it had been recommended by the experts, but I felt a > small voice inside saying maybe it was not a good idea. Unfortunately, I did not listen to that “still > small voiceâ€� and went with it anyway. >  > The experts told me that as > long as you can *keep the bad frequencies OUT* of your house, metal-shielded > (hospital grade) cable was/ is the way to go. But, I had not really lived in this house for very long, so I didn’t > have a clear picture of what I was going to have to keep out (it was an old > fixer we bought and remodeled pretty much down to the brick shell, although we > kept the hardwood floors intactâ€"some plaster walls stayed, some were > replaced). Also, in the couple years > since we had the wiring installed, major frequency changes have come > alongâ€"namely, smart meters and 4LTE. >  > Well, the important words here > are “as long as you can keep bad frequencies OUTâ€�. In today’s frequency mine-field, it is not > really feasible to believe you will be able to *totally* keep bad frequencies > out, period. It just is not going to > happen unless you can live somewhere in an underground bunker. Luckily I was able to improve my health > enough to make up the difference, because the hospital-grade metal shielded > cable, which cost 3 to 4X the cost of regular cable, both for the cable and to > install it, did not ultimately work.  It > works great about 2/3 of the time, but when the neighbors turn on all their > wireless gadgets, and the military blasts whatever it is they are using, and > the utilities run their smart meter hook-ups, and satellites are beaming > frequencies from outer space…. Well, you > get the picture. >  > There seems, from my > perspective, not to be nearly as many ways to shield when you have metal cable > drawing it all in and refracting it around. And this makes senseâ€"if we are admonished not to have metal furniture and > mirrors in our homes, why would it then make sound sense to use metal-shielded > cable? >  > Just my 2 cents, > Diane > > ________________________________ > From: Loni <loni326@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:48 PM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch > > Conduit!  For sure a must! Loni > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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<Have most of you taken down wall mounted mirrors?> I have not gotten rid of my bathroom sink mirror. (It also is not a problem.) I haven't added mirrors places I would likely have since moving, tho. Two places I would have had them is over the dresser in the bedroom, and over the console by the front door, but both of these areas are directly across from windows, so I thought it ill-advised to add them. <Thanks for the tip on not using metal shielded wiring. I would like to talk to you after the holidays on rewiring.> You are welcome! I am amending my advice on metal shielded cable, Kathy. lol It works fine as long as you can keep all the bad stuff out of your house. Just know, tho, that it will refract any frequencies inside your house. I would be glad to talk to you about wiring after the holidays, Kathy. Just write me and tell me what time is good, after you decide to do it. Thanks, Diane ________________________________ From: KathyB <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch We can use a hand held if needed. Kathy --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: Building a house from scratch To: "[hidden email]" < Also, in the couple years since we had the wiring installed, major frequency changes have come along—namely, smart meters and 4LTE. Well, the important words here are “as long as you can keep bad frequencies OUT”. In today’s frequency mine-field, it is not really feasible to believe you will be able to *totally* keep bad frequencies out, period. It just is not going to happen unless you can live somewhere in an underground bunker. It works great about 2/3 of the time, but when the neighbors turn on all their wireless gadgets, and the military blasts whatever it is they are using, and the utilities run their smart meter hook-ups, and satellites are beaming frequencies from outer space…. Well, you get the picture. There seems, from my perspective, not to be nearly as many ways to shield when you have metal cable drawing it all in and refracting it around. And this makes sense—if we are admonished not to have metal furniture and mirrors in our homes, why would it then make sound sense to use metal-shielded cable? Just my 2 cents, Diane ________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hey Diane,
thanks for you response! I'm really confused about the wiring issue cuz it really seems that conduit is part of the reason that I feel better in commercial buildings. My husband that used to build homes said it makes sense because you have all the wrapped wires in a metal housing and then you have all the wires inside wrapped as well. In a home they are all just wires shooting out electricity at all times. Don't know, just trying to make sense of it all Loni --- On Sat, 11/19/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Evie <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Date: Saturday, November 19, 2011, 12:34 PM Hi, Kathy, <Have most of you taken down wall mounted mirrors?> I have not gotten rid of my bathroom sink mirror. (It also is not a problem.) I haven't added mirrors places I would likely have since moving, tho. Two places I would have had them is over the dresser in the bedroom, and over the console by the front door, but both of these areas are directly across from windows, so I thought it ill-advised to add them. <Thanks for the tip on not using metal shielded wiring. I would like to talk to you after the holidays on rewiring.> You are welcome! I am amending my advice on metal shielded cable, Kathy. lol It works fine as long as you can keep all the bad stuff out of your house. Just know, tho, that it will refract any frequencies inside your house. I would be glad to talk to you about wiring after the holidays, Kathy. Just write me and tell me what time is good, after you decide to do it. Thanks, Diane ________________________________ From: KathyB <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch We can use a hand held if needed. Kathy --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: Building a house from scratch To: "[hidden email]" < Also, in the couple years since we had the wiring installed, major frequency changes have come along—namely, smart meters and 4LTE. Well, the important words here are “as long as you can keep bad frequencies OUT”. In today’s frequency mine-field, it is not really feasible to believe you will be able to *totally* keep bad frequencies out, period. It just is not going to happen unless you can live somewhere in an underground bunker. It works great about 2/3 of the time, but when the neighbors turn on all their wireless gadgets, and the military blasts whatever it is they are using, and the utilities run their smart meter hook-ups, and satellites are beaming frequencies from outer space…. Well, you get the picture. There seems, from my perspective, not to be nearly as many ways to shield when you have metal cable drawing it all in and refracting it around. And this makes sense—if we are admonished not to have metal furniture and mirrors in our homes, why would it then make sound sense to use metal-shielded cable? Just my 2 cents, Diane ________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Metal conduit has its advantages, but there is also the potential
disadvantage when run through concrete or underground of unwanted ground connections you can't get rid of. I want to have control over and access to all ground connections. If there is wire, it might as well be shielded. If you want to get rid of all metal, fine; that means no wires. Certainly design the house so laundry kitchen, office are closer to the electric panel than the bedrooms. I"d love to have one room detached with no metal (except screws and nais, though serious magnetobiology scientists say even that will mess up their experiments). Such a room, if some distance from the main house, could allow one to experience the earth's DC electric field? Actually the materials would have to be extremeley low conductivity... maybe clay brick with no mortar? On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote: > ** > > > Hey Diane, > > thanks for you response! > > I'm really confused about the wiring issue cuz it really seems that > conduit is part of the reason that I feel better in commercial buildings. > > My husband that used to build homes said it makes sense because you have > all the wrapped wires in a metal housing and then you have all the wires > inside wrapped as well. > > In a home they are all just wires shooting out electricity at all times. > > Don't know, just trying to make sense of it all > > Loni > > > --- On Sat, 11/19/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: > > From: Evie <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch > To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> > Date: Saturday, November 19, 2011, 12:34 PM > > > > > Hi, Kathy, > > <Have most of you taken down wall mounted mirrors?> > > I have not gotten rid of my bathroom sink mirror. (It also is not a > problem.) I haven't added mirrors places I would likely have since moving, > tho. Two places I would have had them is over the dresser in the bedroom, > and over the console by the front door, but both of these areas are > directly across from windows, so I thought it ill-advised to add them. > > <Thanks for the tip on not using metal shielded wiring. I would like to > talk to you after the holidays on rewiring.> > > You are welcome! I am amending my advice on metal shielded cable, Kathy. > lol It works fine as long as you can keep all the bad stuff out of your > house. Just know, tho, that it will refract any frequencies inside your > house. > > I would be glad to talk to you about wiring after the holidays, Kathy. > Just write me and tell me what time is good, after you decide to do it. > > Thanks, > Diane > > ________________________________ > From: KathyB <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:50 PM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch > > We can use a hand held if needed. > > Kathy > > --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Building a house from scratch > > To: "[hidden email]" < > > > > > > Also, in the couple years > > since we had the wiring installed, major frequency changes have come > > alongnamely, smart meters and 4LTE. > > > > Well, the important words here > > are as long as you can keep bad frequencies OUT. In todays frequency > mine-field, it is not > > really feasible to believe you will be able to *totally* keep bad > frequencies > > out, period. It just is not going to > > happen unless you can live somewhere in an underground bunker. > It > > works great about 2/3 of the time, but when the neighbors turn on all their > > wireless gadgets, and the military blasts whatever it is they are using, > and > > the utilities run their smart meter hook-ups, and satellites are beaming > > frequencies from outer space . Well, you > > get the picture. > > > > There seems, from my > > perspective, not to be nearly as many ways to shield when you have metal > cable > > drawing it all in and refracting it around. And this makes senseif we > are admonished not to have metal furniture and > > mirrors in our homes, why would it then make sound sense to use > metal-shielded > > cable? > > > > Just my 2 cents, > > Diane > > ________________________________ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [hidden email] [hidden email] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
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Hi Loni,
Please, be careful about the insulation you are wrapping around your body. Make sure it is not fiberglass and also does not have formaldehyde in it. I know there is one like this, but I forget the name. Fiberglass should not be handled without special equipment. The fibers can enter your body and cause cancers. Formaldehyde could seriously affect your ES for the worse, if you have MCS (which it is likely you do if you respond negatively to molds). <I'm really confused about the wiring issue cuz it really seems that conduit is part of the reason that I feel better in commercial buildings.> Most of us are confused about this, Loni. There appear to be a few EEs out there who are less confused, tho. lol It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that you can be better in a commercial building just due to metal conduit. There are 100s more digital and wireless frequencies flying around there than there are in your home--people on cell phones, or just carrying them turned on (and able to get signals, I might add), all the computers and computerized cash registers, intercoms, gadgets of all types..... But yet we have all gone to malls or stores or hospitals where the frequencies are better than our homes, where we have made change after change in order to keep frequencies out. It certainly seems like there should be a better way to do this. I am convinced there is, and someday I hope to find it! lol Bless you, Loni, Diane ________________________________ From: Loni <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch Hey Diane, thanks for you response! My husband that used to build homes said it makes sense because you have all the wrapped wires in a metal housing and then you have all the wires inside wrapped as well. In a home they are all just wires shooting out electricity at all times. Don't know, just trying to make sense of it all Loni --- On Sat, 11/19/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Evie <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Date: Saturday, November 19, 2011, 12:34 PM Hi, Kathy, <Have most of you taken down wall mounted mirrors?> I have not gotten rid of my bathroom sink mirror. (It also is not a problem.) I haven't added mirrors places I would likely have since moving, tho. Two places I would have had them is over the dresser in the bedroom, and over the console by the front door, but both of these areas are directly across from windows, so I thought it ill-advised to add them. <Thanks for the tip on not using metal shielded wiring. I would like to talk to you after the holidays on rewiring.> You are welcome! I am amending my advice on metal shielded cable, Kathy. lol It works fine as long as you can keep all the bad stuff out of your house. Just know, tho, that it will refract any frequencies inside your house. I would be glad to talk to you about wiring after the holidays, Kathy. Just write me and tell me what time is good, after you decide to do it. Thanks, Diane ________________________________ From: KathyB <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch We can use a hand held if needed. Kathy --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: Building a house from scratch To: "[hidden email]" < Also, in the couple years since we had the wiring installed, major frequency changes have come along—namely, smart meters and 4LTE. Well, the important words here are “as long as you can keep bad frequencies OUT”. In today’s frequency mine-field, it is not really feasible to believe you will be able to *totally* keep bad frequencies out, period. It just is not going to happen unless you can live somewhere in an underground bunker. It works great about 2/3 of the time, but when the neighbors turn on all their wireless gadgets, and the military blasts whatever it is they are using, and the utilities run their smart meter hook-ups, and satellites are beaming frequencies from outer space…. Well, you get the picture. There seems, from my perspective, not to be nearly as many ways to shield when you have metal cable drawing it all in and refracting it around. And this makes sense—if we are admonished not to have metal furniture and mirrors in our homes, why would it then make sound sense to use metal-shielded cable? Just my 2 cents, Diane ________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Diane!
I think it's the whole package. conduit, big thick walls, less dirty electricity. Not being right next to the walls where the electrical radiates. Ya know you are in a huge building with lots of filtering. It just works better. Don't know if I could live in one but feels much better to me. Loni --- On Mon, 11/21/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Evie <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Date: Monday, November 21, 2011, 10:55 AM Hi Loni, Please, be careful about the insulation you are wrapping around your body. Make sure it is not fiberglass and also does not have formaldehyde in it. I know there is one like this, but I forget the name. Fiberglass should not be handled without special equipment. The fibers can enter your body and cause cancers. Formaldehyde could seriously affect your ES for the worse, if you have MCS (which it is likely you do if you respond negatively to molds). <I'm really confused about the wiring issue cuz it really seems that conduit is part of the reason that I feel better in commercial buildings.> Most of us are confused about this, Loni. There appear to be a few EEs out there who are less confused, tho. lol It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that you can be better in a commercial building just due to metal conduit. There are 100s more digital and wireless frequencies flying around there than there are in your home--people on cell phones, or just carrying them turned on (and able to get signals, I might add), all the computers and computerized cash registers, intercoms, gadgets of all types..... But yet we have all gone to malls or stores or hospitals where the frequencies are better than our homes, where we have made change after change in order to keep frequencies out. It certainly seems like there should be a better way to do this. I am convinced there is, and someday I hope to find it! lol Bless you, Loni, Diane ________________________________ From: Loni <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch Hey Diane, thanks for you response! My husband that used to build homes said it makes sense because you have all the wrapped wires in a metal housing and then you have all the wires inside wrapped as well. In a home they are all just wires shooting out electricity at all times. Don't know, just trying to make sense of it all Loni --- On Sat, 11/19/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Evie <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Date: Saturday, November 19, 2011, 12:34 PM Hi, Kathy, <Have most of you taken down wall mounted mirrors?> I have not gotten rid of my bathroom sink mirror. (It also is not a problem.) I haven't added mirrors places I would likely have since moving, tho. Two places I would have had them is over the dresser in the bedroom, and over the console by the front door, but both of these areas are directly across from windows, so I thought it ill-advised to add them. <Thanks for the tip on not using metal shielded wiring. I would like to talk to you after the holidays on rewiring.> You are welcome! I am amending my advice on metal shielded cable, Kathy. lol It works fine as long as you can keep all the bad stuff out of your house. Just know, tho, that it will refract any frequencies inside your house. I would be glad to talk to you about wiring after the holidays, Kathy. Just write me and tell me what time is good, after you decide to do it. Thanks, Diane ________________________________ From: KathyB <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch We can use a hand held if needed. Kathy --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: Building a house from scratch To: "[hidden email]" < Also, in the couple years since we had the wiring installed, major frequency changes have come along—namely, smart meters and 4LTE. Well, the important words here are “as long as you can keep bad frequencies OUT”. In today’s frequency mine-field, it is not really feasible to believe you will be able to *totally* keep bad frequencies out, period. It just is not going to happen unless you can live somewhere in an underground bunker. It works great about 2/3 of the time, but when the neighbors turn on all their wireless gadgets, and the military blasts whatever it is they are using, and the utilities run their smart meter hook-ups, and satellites are beaming frequencies from outer space…. Well, you get the picture. There seems, from my perspective, not to be nearly as many ways to shield when you have metal cable drawing it all in and refracting it around. And this makes sense—if we are admonished not to have metal furniture and mirrors in our homes, why would it then make sound sense to use metal-shielded cable? Just my 2 cents, Diane ________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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Imo if you have time and money and you're certain you don't want to move within the first 10 years or so, building a house from scratch is not such a bad idea... If that were the case... I would make the bedroom underground, and no wires in the bedroom, in the other rooms 12 Volt, and 220 Volt only in kitchen and garage (yes these are European standards here). When my ES was at worst I immediately felt better in concrete buildings, so I think I would choose a house built in concrete (although I know you have to watch out with the steel in concrete, magnetic fields etc.) or maybe even better a house built in clay, I've heard clay houses block a lotta emf and "energy-wise" clay is probably better than concrete... And tiles everywhere (good for MCS)... --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > Hi, Christin, >  > We thought of trying to build > a house from scratch too. I am very glad > we didnât, and instead bought an old fixer which needed major work. For one thing, I have MCS and major chemical > and mold intolerances besides ES. Buying > an old house allowed us to avoid a lot of the new, âimprovedâ chemically dense products > hardware stores and lumber yards sell these days. Looking for a house which could work for me > was hard, thoâ"many homes here have serious mold issues and this doesnât even > count how hard it is to find one in an ES free zone. But finding one which didnât have mold was > helpful. It means it is not likely to > have serious mold issues in the future either. Also here we have a lot of radon underground. It was simple to test for radon and see that, > too, was low. >  > Dealing with contractors who > do not understand our needs/ problems is not a peachy situation either. It was hard enough to get them on the same > page with us even when I was the sub-contractor and bought all the materials to > be used myself (and did a lot of the actual work myself, too, I might > add). None of them listened totally and > did totally what I asked them to do, even when it was in writing. I was firing and rehiring constantly. >  > I went thru 6 electriciansâ"5 > actual ones, and the first one who was injured on another job, before he got to > do any of my work.  Only the one who was > injured really understood what I wanted; the rest only half listened and said, > âyes, yes, lady. We have done all this before.â Of course they hadnât, but there was no > telling them that. I did keep control of > the electrical situation, somewhat, by hiring each one to do a small part of > the whole job. That way, if he didnât > work out, I didnât have to fire him and lose up front money. But I had to watch them from morning to night > to make sure they were, in fact, doing what I had asked. I have said it would have been easier (and > taken less time) to have gone to electrical school and learned to rewire the > house myself. That is no joke. It would have been! In a world with do-overs, this is the way I would > try to go. >  > For me, personally, I could > not have taken building a house from scratch. Even the fixer was an emotional ordeal from beginning to end, and I am > one who in the past was quite easy going and emotionally detached during home > improvements. We had rebuilt > fixers in the past; I had sub-contracted in the past. There is not a lot which gets to me, but this > project did. >  > We still have some work in > the bathroom and a total over-haul in the kitchen. I am already working out how to do most of > the work myself. No kidding. I would rather take 5 years doing hard labor (and > I am 60 years old) than have to spend 6 months more banging my head against the > wall with contractors who think they can modify what they want and it will fit > my needs. >  > Give the total build a lot of > thought and talk in depth with a lot of contractors. Understand that many contractors will say > anything up front in order to get your contract. Then they will keep you hanging for months on > end while they do easier projects (and any project which comes down the pike is > easier! I had one electrician who showed > up only once or twice a month!) >  > Have multiple contractors standing > in line who you are convinced know what you want and what they are doing before > going there. Perhaps in some areas of > the country you can find qualified people who will listen to your needs, but > that was not the case where we live. Even > contractors who came highly rated by others gave me fits because they failed to > understand I had special needs which they could not arbitrarily dismiss just > because they were uncomfortable with doing things a different way than they > were used to doing them. >  > Good luck, > Diane > > > ________________________________ > From: Christin Lussier <thomasandchristin@...> > To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> > Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch > > If you could start from scratch....what would you do to protect everyone inside from EMF's. > We are trying to start thinking about this now as we will be able to do something like this in a couple years. > > Mahalo, > Christin Brezil > Grain-Free Granola Head, > wife to Thomas and momma to 3 boys > {Dylan Bryce 10 }{ Evan Lane 5 }{ Lucian Kai 2 } >  > "Simplicity is the ultimate form of sophistication." > ~ Leonardo da Vinci >  > http://www.facebook.com/thomasandchristin > http://www.westonaprice.org/ > http://www.gaps.me/ > > > ________________________________ > From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 11:57 AM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Celiac > > > >   > > Good information. I am not dairy free. I culture my raw organic local goat milk into Kefir and do eat raw organic cheese and cultured butter. I love it and don't have any intestinal issues with the cultured products. > Good to know your systems are similar which gives me some confirmation. > Thank you! > Andrew > > On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:17 AM, Evie wrote: > > > Hi, Andrew, > > > > I also became super-reactive after I went gf. I began reacting to other things very strongly the first 5 to 6 years. [It makes sense if you think about it: if I had it to do over again, I think I would take going totally gf much slower. I think my immune system was so busy putting out gluten antibody police, that they became marauders after the gluten disappeared almost overnight.] My mast cells seemed to go crazy during that time. That was when I began reacting to touching things. I had had MCS for decades, but in the early 2000s it was like MCS on steroids. > > > > > > I then became intolerant to almost all foods. I got over that in the 4th year after going gf by killing off gut bugs galore--bacterial and yeasts--and taking huge amounts of quercitin. > > > > > > I had terrible problems with sugars. I finally gave them up totally the 4th year after I went gf, too. I reacted to sugar like it was an opiate. Not kidding! Seeing pink elephants dancing in the room is no joke. I had the sweats, shakes, and the whole withdrawal deal! I thought I would go insane for about 6 weeks. I was bad when I went gf, too--same thing; I had bad withdrawal, but it was much worse with sugars. My nutritionist said I was likely harboring bad bugs that were dying off, also, causing herxheimer reactions. I had my doubts while going thru it, but I finally made it and it was uphill all the way after that, Andrew! So, hang in there; sugar-free worked for me! > > > > Also, I should mention.... I became diabetic just after going gf (I had been pre-diabetic hypoglycemic from the time I first had pancreatitis when I was 16). I think there is something biologically happening when you go gf which affects the way your body processes sugars. I can now eat grains, btw, and have high carb veggies, and can tolerate some actual cane sugar, but it was a good 5 years off sugars before I could tolerate much of these at all. I do find that certain emfs affect my bs. And, it seems, emfs at my old house also made my bs higher--my 3 month average bs dropped 10+ points just from moving. I mention the diabetes because the hot foot thing can be a symptom I get, too--I think it is a diabetic neuropathy symptom (and foot tingling, as well). You might want to ask your doc about that, if you haven't yet. B12 can help neuropathies. You can see about that too. > > > > > > As Cab said, also, I went dairy-free for nearly a year, too. I think you already do that, tho. > > > > Good luck; my prayers are with you, Andrew, > > Diane > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 10:51 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Celiac > > > > I have become much more sensitive to sugars in all of its forms, grains, alcohol, sweets, etc. My feet will tingle from lack of circulation or become hot at night after having sugar. > > It seems by body is becoming more sensitive and is communicating louder and louder as I remove it more and more. > > I did get a DNA test that showed I was Celiac as well, a low level functioning one, but none the less, technically a celiac result. > > So, my wife and I are off grains as much as possible. > > I think there is something else that is cause a system wide shut down and screwing things up on a larger level and this is just one thing. I don't have hard proof yet. Still doing tests. Did a $550 test last month on mold and this month a $650 on fungus/yeast. We'll see after researching the data with my health counselor/chinese herbalist/acupuncturist. > > I'll let you know if I find some relevant to others. > > Thank you Diane. Please share what works for you. > > Andrew > > > > > > On Nov 5, 2011, at 9:52 PM, Evie wrote: > > > >> GAPS sounds an AWFUL LOT like celiac disease, Andrew! Celiac disease acted exactly that way for me when I was young. My adrenals were toast from my early teens on. By age 16, I had had my first bout with pancreatitis. From there, it was downhill to even worse and more dangerous things. I next had pernicious anemia (sign of severe vitamin/ mineral deficiency and gut leaking) and then serious liver disease. > >> > >> > >> How is that (celiac diet) going for you, btw? Have you been able to notice anything good, yet? It took at least a year till I started improving. I saw tiny improvements at about 10 months. Hope it goes quicker for you. > >> > >> Good luck, > >> Diane > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> > >> To: [hidden email] > >> Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 6:31 AM > >> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF effects on Estrogen levels > >> > >> GAPS (Gut and Psychology Syndrome) > >> by McBride > >> > >> http://www.gaps.me/ > >> > >> Talks about how too much adrenal stress, cortisol deteriorates the stomach lining which causes reduced stomach acid, lowered food digestion, pancreatic problems, and feeds the whole cycle of thyroid problems, hair loss, etc. > >> > >> She bases all back to gut probiotics as the ultimate source. > >> > >> Andrew > >> > >> On Nov 5, 2011, at 2:17 AM, Cheryl Griffing wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Lizzie, > >>> > >>> I also have thyroid problems, as well as extremely low estrogen levels. Primarily I have the hyper variety of the thyroid, although it did swing to hypo for awhile. Is this common? I get very confused about how all these hormones work together... > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks for the response. > >>> > >>> Cheryl > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> > >>> To: [hidden email] > >>> Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 2:51 PM > >>> Subject: RE: [eSens] EMF effects on Estrogen levels > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> Emfs throw the whole thyroid gland out of whack. the thryroid is responsible for making the hormones. > >>> Also, any SOY in your food will effect estrogen levels, as SOY mimics estrogen. Also plastics and other chemicals are "endocrine dysrupters" as well. > >>> Lizzie > >>> > >>> > >>> To: [hidden email] > >>> From: cheryl_griffing@... > >>> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:56:14 +0000 > >>> Subject: [eSens] EMF effects on Estrogen levels > >>> > >>> Hi everyone, > >>> > >>> Does anybody know how EMF effects the levels of estrogen in our bodies, especially in women? I have done some online research on this but at this point am wondering if any of you have had personal experience with this. However, any info would be helpful. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Cheryl > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------ > >> > >> Yahoo! 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One thing I did when I redid my house was put up that green sheet rock everywhere, not just in the bathroom. That way I have no mold or no bad smells anywhere.
--- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote: > > > > Imo if you have time and money and you're certain you don't want to move within the first 10 years or so, building a house from scratch is not such a bad idea... > > If that were the case... > > I would make the bedroom underground, and no wires in the bedroom, in the other rooms 12 Volt, and 220 Volt only in kitchen and garage (yes these are European standards here). > > When my ES was at worst I immediately felt better in concrete buildings, so I think I would choose a house built in concrete (although I know you have to watch out with the steel in concrete, magnetic fields etc.) or maybe even better a house built in clay, I've heard clay houses block a lotta emf and "energy-wise" clay is probably better than concrete... > > And tiles everywhere (good for MCS)... > > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > Hi, Christin, > >  > > We thought of trying to build > > a house from scratch too. I am very glad > > we didnât, and instead bought an old fixer which needed major work. For one thing, I have MCS and major chemical > > and mold intolerances besides ES. Buying > > an old house allowed us to avoid a lot of the new, âimprovedâ chemically dense products > > hardware stores and lumber yards sell these days. Looking for a house which could work for me > > was hard, thoâ"many homes here have serious mold issues and this doesnât even > > count how hard it is to find one in an ES free zone. But finding one which didnât have mold was > > helpful. It means it is not likely to > > have serious mold issues in the future either. Also here we have a lot of radon underground. It was simple to test for radon and see that, > > too, was low. > >  > > Dealing with contractors who > > do not understand our needs/ problems is not a peachy situation either. It was hard enough to get them on the same > > page with us even when I was the sub-contractor and bought all the materials to > > be used myself (and did a lot of the actual work myself, too, I might > > add). None of them listened totally and > > did totally what I asked them to do, even when it was in writing. I was firing and rehiring constantly. > >  > > I went thru 6 electriciansâ"5 > > actual ones, and the first one who was injured on another job, before he got to > > do any of my work.  Only the one who was > > injured really understood what I wanted; the rest only half listened and said, > > âyes, yes, lady. We have done all this before.â Of course they hadnât, but there was no > > telling them that. I did keep control of > > the electrical situation, somewhat, by hiring each one to do a small part of > > the whole job. That way, if he didnât > > work out, I didnât have to fire him and lose up front money. But I had to watch them from morning to night > > to make sure they were, in fact, doing what I had asked. I have said it would have been easier (and > > taken less time) to have gone to electrical school and learned to rewire the > > house myself. That is no joke. It would have been! In a world with do-overs, this is the way I would > > try to go. > >  > > For me, personally, I could > > not have taken building a house from scratch. Even the fixer was an emotional ordeal from beginning to end, and I am > > one who in the past was quite easy going and emotionally detached during home > > improvements. We had rebuilt > > fixers in the past; I had sub-contracted in the past. There is not a lot which gets to me, but this > > project did. > >  > > We still have some work in > > the bathroom and a total over-haul in the kitchen. I am already working out how to do most of > > the work myself. No kidding. I would rather take 5 years doing hard labor (and > > I am 60 years old) than have to spend 6 months more banging my head against the > > wall with contractors who think they can modify what they want and it will fit > > my needs. > >  > > Give the total build a lot of > > thought and talk in depth with a lot of contractors. Understand that many contractors will say > > anything up front in order to get your contract. Then they will keep you hanging for months on > > end while they do easier projects (and any project which comes down the pike is > > easier! I had one electrician who showed > > up only once or twice a month!) > >  > > Have multiple contractors standing > > in line who you are convinced know what you want and what they are doing before > > going there. Perhaps in some areas of > > the country you can find qualified people who will listen to your needs, but > > that was not the case where we live. Even > > contractors who came highly rated by others gave me fits because they failed to > > understand I had special needs which they could not arbitrarily dismiss just > > because they were uncomfortable with doing things a different way than they > > were used to doing them. > >  > > Good luck, > > Diane > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Christin Lussier <thomasandchristin@> > > To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> > > Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 4:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Building a house from scratch > > > > If you could start from scratch....what would you do to protect everyone inside from EMF's. > > We are trying to start thinking about this now as we will be able to do something like this in a couple years. > > > > Mahalo, > > Christin Brezil > > Grain-Free Granola Head, > > wife to Thomas and momma to 3 boys > > {Dylan Bryce 10 }{ Evan Lane 5 }{ Lucian Kai 2 } > >  > > "Simplicity is the ultimate form of sophistication." > > ~ Leonardo da Vinci > >  > > http://www.facebook.com/thomasandchristin > > http://www.westonaprice.org/ > > http://www.gaps.me/ > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 11:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Celiac > > > > > > > >   > > > > Good information. I am not dairy free. I culture my raw organic local goat milk into Kefir and do eat raw organic cheese and cultured butter. I love it and don't have any intestinal issues with the cultured products. > > Good to know your systems are similar which gives me some confirmation. > > Thank you! > > Andrew > > > > On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:17 AM, Evie wrote: > > > > > Hi, Andrew, > > > > > > I also became super-reactive after I went gf. I began reacting to other things very strongly the first 5 to 6 years. [It makes sense if you think about it: if I had it to do over again, I think I would take going totally gf much slower. I think my immune system was so busy putting out gluten antibody police, that they became marauders after the gluten disappeared almost overnight.] My mast cells seemed to go crazy during that time. That was when I began reacting to touching things. I had had MCS for decades, but in the early 2000s it was like MCS on steroids. > > > > > > > > > I then became intolerant to almost all foods. I got over that in the 4th year after going gf by killing off gut bugs galore--bacterial and yeasts--and taking huge amounts of quercitin. > > > > > > > > > I had terrible problems with sugars. I finally gave them up totally the 4th year after I went gf, too. I reacted to sugar like it was an opiate. Not kidding! Seeing pink elephants dancing in the room is no joke. I had the sweats, shakes, and the whole withdrawal deal! I thought I would go insane for about 6 weeks. I was bad when I went gf, too--same thing; I had bad withdrawal, but it was much worse with sugars. My nutritionist said I was likely harboring bad bugs that were dying off, also, causing herxheimer reactions. I had my doubts while going thru it, but I finally made it and it was uphill all the way after that, Andrew! So, hang in there; sugar-free worked for me! > > > > > > Also, I should mention.... I became diabetic just after going gf (I had been pre-diabetic hypoglycemic from the time I first had pancreatitis when I was 16). I think there is something biologically happening when you go gf which affects the way your body processes sugars. I can now eat grains, btw, and have high carb veggies, and can tolerate some actual cane sugar, but it was a good 5 years off sugars before I could tolerate much of these at all. I do find that certain emfs affect my bs. And, it seems, emfs at my old house also made my bs higher--my 3 month average bs dropped 10+ points just from moving. I mention the diabetes because the hot foot thing can be a symptom I get, too--I think it is a diabetic neuropathy symptom (and foot tingling, as well). You might want to ask your doc about that, if you haven't yet. B12 can help neuropathies. You can see about that too. > > > > > > > > > As Cab said, also, I went dairy-free for nearly a year, too. I think you already do that, tho. > > > > > > Good luck; my prayers are with you, Andrew, > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@> > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 10:51 PM > > > Subject: [eSens] Celiac > > > > > > I have become much more sensitive to sugars in all of its forms, grains, alcohol, sweets, etc. My feet will tingle from lack of circulation or become hot at night after having sugar. > > > It seems by body is becoming more sensitive and is communicating louder and louder as I remove it more and more. > > > I did get a DNA test that showed I was Celiac as well, a low level functioning one, but none the less, technically a celiac result. > > > So, my wife and I are off grains as much as possible. > > > I think there is something else that is cause a system wide shut down and screwing things up on a larger level and this is just one thing. I don't have hard proof yet. Still doing tests. Did a $550 test last month on mold and this month a $650 on fungus/yeast. We'll see after researching the data with my health counselor/chinese herbalist/acupuncturist. > > > I'll let you know if I find some relevant to others. > > > Thank you Diane. Please share what works for you. > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > On Nov 5, 2011, at 9:52 PM, Evie wrote: > > > > > >> GAPS sounds an AWFUL LOT like celiac disease, Andrew! Celiac disease acted exactly that way for me when I was young. My adrenals were toast from my early teens on. By age 16, I had had my first bout with pancreatitis. From there, it was downhill to even worse and more dangerous things. I next had pernicious anemia (sign of severe vitamin/ mineral deficiency and gut leaking) and then serious liver disease. > > >> > > >> > > >> How is that (celiac diet) going for you, btw? Have you been able to notice anything good, yet? It took at least a year till I started improving. I saw tiny improvements at about 10 months. Hope it goes quicker for you. > > >> > > >> Good luck, > > >> Diane > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@> > > >> To: [hidden email] > > >> Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 6:31 AM > > >> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF effects on Estrogen levels > > >> > > >> GAPS (Gut and Psychology Syndrome) > > >> by McBride > > >> > > >> http://www.gaps.me/ > > >> > > >> Talks about how too much adrenal stress, cortisol deteriorates the stomach lining which causes reduced stomach acid, lowered food digestion, pancreatic problems, and feeds the whole cycle of thyroid problems, hair loss, etc. > > >> > > >> She bases all back to gut probiotics as the ultimate source. > > >> > > >> Andrew > > >> > > >> On Nov 5, 2011, at 2:17 AM, Cheryl Griffing wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi Lizzie, > > >>> > > >>> I also have thyroid problems, as well as extremely low estrogen levels. Primarily I have the hyper variety of the thyroid, although it did swing to hypo for awhile. Is this common? I get very confused about how all these hormones work together... > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Thanks for the response. > > >>> > > >>> Cheryl > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ________________________________ > > >>> From: Elizabeth thode <lizt777@> > > >>> To: [hidden email] > > >>> Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 2:51 PM > > >>> Subject: RE: [eSens] EMF effects on Estrogen levels > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Hi, > > >>> Emfs throw the whole thyroid gland out of whack. the thryroid is responsible for making the hormones. > > >>> Also, any SOY in your food will effect estrogen levels, as SOY mimics estrogen. 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