EM frequencies are freeing up toxins ?

This idea of Em frequencies freeing up toxins confuses me. As I see it
the EMF's create toxins in the body and those that cannot be processed
out are stored in the fat tissues. I think in one of Robert Becker's
books he wrote of the theory of the body's cells die off when they are
unable to communicate and become free radicals, which are then either
processed out (with the help of calcium reserve?) or if unable to do
that get stored in the fat tissue. I wish I had retained the quote,
sorry. I believe this to be accurate based on my own experience of
living without electricity and losing 17 pounds in the last 6 months.
The fat from my thighs and tummy are significantly reduced. And my
health has restored in many ways.

I think that today's electricity is polluted with radio frequencies and
that aspect is making people sick. I recently
recognized that this chest rash I have is still affected by the one
breaker (computer, light and toaster) out of two I have remaining on.
As I have kept that breaker off this past two weeks I have been through
another round of detox and the chest rash is reducing . Three pounds of
weight has come off since that breaker has been turned off. Its a
fascinating and sometimes frightening journey.

So I am curious why you , and Marc agree in this idea that the
frequencies free up toxins, please further explain.



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In a message dated 6/22/2007 5:10:55 PM GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]
writes:

This idea of Em frequencies freeing up toxins confuses me. As I see it
the EMF's create toxins in the body and those that cannot be processed
out are stored in the fat tissues. I think in one of Robert Becker's
books he wrote of the theory of the body's cells die off when they are
unable to communicate and become free radicals, which are then either
processed out (with the help of calcium reserve?) or if unable to do
that get stored in the fat tissue. I wish I had retained the quote,
sorry. I believe this to be accurate based on my own experience


This ties in with George Carlo and Dr Goldsworthy re cellular reaction that
occurs.

Paul UK






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> So I am curious why you , and Marc agree in this idea that the
> frequencies free up toxins, please further explain.

I say this because I have taken various supplements to
detoxify, and these supplements "stir up" toxins stored
in body and make me feel bad. Exposure to EMF sources
cause the same symptoms, so I assume that they are
stirring up the same toxins.

Also, we've had plenty of people here who have worked
on detoxifying themselves, and their electrically
sensitivity goes down as a result of this. This
would be consistent with the above theory.

But certainly it has been shown that the EMFs themselves
can be bad for you. It's just that the interaction
between the EMFs and the toxins already in your
body make the problem worse.

Marc

Hi, Marc and All,
   
This is a bit ironic, since I think I was the person who proposed the idea of EMFs detoxing back a year or so ago. But I now agree with the cellular die-off theory that was proposed in the book mentioned in an earlier post(sorry I don't remember who wrote the post or the name of the book off hand). The reason I feel that the cellular die-off theory makes sense is, when you are detoxing, you have a certain set of symptoms due to lymphatic sludge and congestion created by the resulting detox. The cellular die-off theory makes sense in this light, since cellular die-off would create the same lymphatic "sludge" (for lack of a better, more scientific term). ALSO, the brown spots that everyone here is posting about lately can be caused by free-radical damage (not that some could not be having them from a virus aswell). So this also works back to the cellular theory. For myself, I sawthe brown spots vanish when I began using a highly alkaline water supplement that was
supposed to have a negative ion effect. (I got the same effect from Hydrogen Boost which Marc suggested I try last year--actually, I think you suggested Mega-Boost, but I did not tolerate that due to gluten or something in it.)
   
These are all just theories floating around. Nobody knows for sure what is going on, but I do like the cellular die-off theory and would like anyone with ideas which might refute it to bring those ideas to light for consideration. It would help all of us greatly to know what actually is at the bottom of our problems, and while we can't prove anything by discussing it, it might give researchers ideas to look into. And some of us might benefitby trying liver and lymphatic supplementation, if this theory is at the core of the problem. (I was better when I was on these.) It is also interesting because FIR and sauna therapy, liver cleanses, etc, all tie into this theory well.
   
My 2 cents, for what it is worth,
Diane
Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> So I am curious why you , and Marc agree in this idea that the
> frequencies free up toxins, please further explain.

I say this because I have taken various supplements to
detoxify, and these supplements "stir up" toxins stored
in body and make me feel bad. Exposure to EMF sources
cause the same symptoms, so I assume that they are
stirring up the same toxins.

Also, we've had plenty of people here who have worked
on detoxifying themselves, and their electrically
sensitivity goes down as a result of this. This
would be consistent with the above theory.

But certainly it has been shown that the EMFs themselves
can be bad for you. It's just that the interaction
between the EMFs and the toxins already in your
body make the problem worse.

Marc


         

       
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> (I got the same effect from
> Hydrogen Boost which Marc suggested I try last year--actually, I think
> you suggested Mega-Boost, but I did not tolerate that due to gluten or
> something in it.)

I suggested 'Mega-H', but 'Hydrogen Boost' is advertised as being
essentially
the same thing:

http://www.primev.com/pro304101.htm

These are supposed to be great at fighting free-radicals, and I have
found
them very useful for improving EMF tolerance.

Marc

Think about the ionic vibrators they have to throw your dirty glasses
or jewelry in to break up and loosen the dirt. Some dentists even
have these gadgets to clean your teeth with. Same thing.

You are also right though, some frequencies create toxins. This
happens by heating and breaking down our matter, causing genetic
breaks and producing acryline?sp, or methacrylates. Just like the
stuff they came out with produced in the deep fried french fries
(chips for you overseas).

Look up the definitions of amyloids. That's heated, cooked matter.
When you have a right combination of toxins in your body, say mercury
or aluminum and fluoride -which is super hot, it can start melting or
plasticizing you, lol. This is largely what Tayloka was trying to get
across when she was here, about the chemical exposure as well as the
pure photons.

Alzhemier's amyloid plaques are caused by radiation exposure, radon
for one, and that also is a ref. at the end of the EMF paper.

The brown liver spots on the hands or wherever are evidence of
amyloids in the brain also. (Fuzzy brain.) You clean them up, you
clean up the brain too. There's products like GH3 that helps clear
these plaques out of the brain. Basically DMAE and PABA together, but
look it up.

I find that whenever I start taking these, my memory gets
significantly worse for a number of days, my guess is because it's
getting loosened up and coming out.

To get well and stay well as long as AC power and chemicals plague
this planet there has to be a multipronged approach. Shielding and
better manufacturing. Detoxing, supplementing and as much avoidance
as possible. Everyone on the planet is affected, some just aren't
realizing yet. They are busy getting drugged for their multitudes of
radiation symptoms (see chart in the EMF paper in files)- diabetes,
thyroid, alzheimer's, hyperplasia, you name it. These are not the
disease, they are the symptoms.

Amino acids are a big help (when that is formally put together, I'll
post it.) It also brings us back again to fulvic acid/ shilajit,
clays, see shirley's wellness cafe for these again.

And, if anyone has tried Calcium AEP I would really like to hear
about that. Here's one to start on that:
http://www.mwt.net/~drbrewer/mintrans.htm 

~ Snoshoe




--- In [hidden email], Sandi Maurer <jspirit@...> wrote:
>
> This idea of Em frequencies freeing up toxins confuses me. As I see
it
> the EMF's create toxins in the body and those that cannot be
processed
> out are stored in the fat tissues. I think in one of Robert
Becker's
> books he wrote of the theory of the body's cells die off when they
are
> unable to communicate and become free radicals, which are then
either
> processed out (with the help of calcium reserve?) or if unable to
do
> that get stored in the fat tissue. I wish I had retained the quote,
> sorry. I believe this to be accurate based on my own experience of
> living without electricity and losing 17 pounds in the last 6
months.
> The fat from my thighs and tummy are significantly reduced. And my
> health has restored in many ways.
>
> I think that today's electricity is polluted with radio frequencies
and
> that aspect is making people sick. I recently
> recognized that this chest rash I have is still affected by the one
> breaker (computer, light and toaster) out of two I have remaining
on.
> As I have kept that breaker off this past two weeks I have been
through
> another round of detox and the chest rash is reducing . Three
pounds of
> weight has come off since that breaker has been turned off. Its a
> fascinating and sometimes frightening journey.
>
> So I am curious why you , and Marc agree in this idea that the
> frequencies free up toxins, please further explain.
>

This might go better under the liver post, but since I mentioned it
over here; here's a couple links:"...2. Processed Shilajit provided
complete protection to methacrylate against hydroxyl radical induced
polymerization and acted as a reversible nitric oxide-captodative
agent. It induced a dose related increase in super oxide dismutase,
catalase and glutathione peroxidase activities in frontal cortex and
striatum of rats." http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/fulvic.htm

and an example for amino acids:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?
cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1332107&dopt=Abstract




--- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote:
>
>
> Amino acids are a big help (when that is formally put together,
I'll see
> it
> > the EMF's create toxins in the body and those that cannot be
> processed
> > out are stored in the fat tissues. I think in one of Robert
> Becker's
> > books he wrote of the theory of the body's cells die off when
they
> are
> > unable to communicate and become free radicals, which are then
> either
> > processed out (with the help of calcium reserve?) or if unable to
> do
> > that get stored in the fat tissue. I wish I had retained the
quote,
> > sorry. I believe this to be accurate based on my own experience
of
> > living without electricity and losing 17 pounds in the last 6
> months.
> > The fat from my thighs and tummy are significantly reduced. And
my
> > health has restored in many ways.
> >
> > I think that today's electricity is polluted with radio
frequencies
> and
> > that aspect is making people sick. I recently
> > recognized that this chest rash I have is still affected by the
one

ok snoe
have you got any explanation for why my face burns when i go outside
and also in front of computer
and what i can do about it, because no bloody doc or alternative
therapist has a clue..
On 23 Jun 2007, at 18:25, snoshoe_2 wrote:

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> have you got any explanation for why my face burns when i go outside
> and also in front of computer
> and what i can do about it, because no bloody doc or alternative
> therapist has a clue..

How much have you experimented with face lotions and antioxidants
and EMF protection devices? All 3 of these reduce face burning
for me...

Marc

In a message dated 6/23/2007 9:57:41 PM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

How much have you experimented with face lotions and antioxidants
and EMF protection devices? All 3 of these reduce face burning
for me...

Marc



Paul UK replies

Try Clarins EP3 elrctromagnetic skin lotion ?






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none stop experimentation
my face burns when i apply most things, and its just not a sensation it
really burns when i go outside like damages me face badly and lasts for
days
also as far as supplements are concerned i am concerned about them as i
have 11 amalgams still in my mouth so concerned about chelating as i
messed up
my head detoxing..
i do have some mega h in the house which i have taken
.
what do you suggest for protection
pete
On 23 Jun 2007, at 21:57, Marc Martin wrote:

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why has anyone else tried clarins i have mcs as well and dont tolerate
most creams if any at all..
i use an organic sunscreen does bugger all tho...
still cant leave the house without me face frying.. im sure clarins
have some nasty crap in that cream
On 23 Jun 2007, at 22:32, [hidden email] wrote:

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> none stop experimentation my face burns when i apply most things,
> and its just not a sensation it really burns

Yes, I agree that it is really burning, as I used to have a problem
with my skin getting all red like a sunburn

> as supplements are concerned i am concerned about them as i
> have 11 amalgams still in my mouth so concerned about chelating as i
> messed up my head detoxing.

Even if you have amalgam fillings, some supplements will still
do you more good than harm. I recall taking lots of Mega-H
(then called Microhydrin) and also something called Cellfood
prior to having my amalgams out, and I found them very
beneficial (although one had to be careful about overdoing
it, which would cause adverse reactions).

> what do you suggest for protection

For antioxidants, Mega-H is a good choice (or other similar
products), also I found that carrot juice was also helpful
(I used organic carrots, don't know if that matters).

For skin lotion, I've had good experience with Burt's Bees
Carrot Body Lotion (more carrots!), and also Shikai Borage
Dry Skin Therapy lotion (essential fatty acids applied
directly to the burning areas).

For devices, the stuff from Quantum Products that treat
the electricity directly work pretty well at eliminating
burning skin symptoms:

http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_home.html

However, I've found that a lot of EMF protection devices
make the burning much worse (!)

Marc

Hi, Snoshoe,
   
I have used calcium AEP. Specifically I have used it for killing off fungal overgrowth and for adrenal dysfunction. In conjunction with pantethine, it does wonders for my adrenal "dysfunction". I had lymphatic congestion/overload and an acidic metabolism which affected my autonomic nervous system. I would have cycles of extreme exhaustion, very low blood pressure (and quickly plummeting bp), breathing difficulties, sweats and chills, heart palpitations,..... after even slight exertion. The combo of pantethine andcalcium AEP has completely taken care of this problem. I did take other supplements at the time besides these, including the alkaline, negative ion water, which also helped. The pantethine and AEP, tho, could raise my bp and take care of the other symptoms immediately.  
   
If you are asking whether it helps with ES, I didn't notice, tho I can goon it for awhile and check that out. I only take it now for an exertionalcrisis. I had the ES under control when I was regularly taking the calcium AEP for the adrenal dysfunction/etc. (My former ES was different than most of you have--I was causing problems TO electronics and such, tho when I look back I do remember going for drives and having transient headaches alot, so I think I probably was reacting to cell towers. There just weren't that many of them back then.)
 
Diane
 
snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote:
Think about the ionic vibrators they have to throw your dirty glasses
or jewelry in to break up and loosen the dirt. Some dentists even
have these gadgets to clean your teeth with. Same thing.

You are also right though, some frequencies create toxins. This
happens by heating and breaking down our matter, causing genetic
breaks and producing acryline?sp, or methacrylates. Just like the
stuff they came out with produced in the deep fried french fries
(chips for you overseas).

Look up the definitions of amyloids. That's heated, cooked matter.
When you have a right combination of toxins in your body, say mercury
or aluminum and fluoride -which is super hot, it can start melting or
plasticizing you, lol. This is largely what Tayloka was trying to get
across when she was here, about the chemical exposure as well as the
pure photons.

Alzhemier's amyloid plaques are caused by radiation exposure, radon
for one, and that also is a ref. at the end of the EMF paper.

The brown liver spots on the hands or wherever are evidence of
amyloids in the brain also. (Fuzzy brain.) You clean them up, you
clean up the brain too. There's products like GH3 that helps clear
these plaques out of the brain. Basically DMAE and PABA together, but
look it up.

I find that whenever I start taking these, my memory gets
significantly worse for a number of days, my guess is because it's
getting loosened up and coming out.

To get well and stay well as long as AC power and chemicals plague
this planet there has to be a multipronged approach. Shielding and
better manufacturing. Detoxing, supplementing and as much avoidance
as possible. Everyone on the planet is affected, some just aren't
realizing yet. They are busy getting drugged for their multitudes of
radiation symptoms (see chart in the EMF paper in files)- diabetes,
thyroid, alzheimer's, hyperplasia, you name it. These are not the
disease, they are the symptoms.

Amino acids are a big help (when that is formally put together, I'll
post it.) It also brings us back again to fulvic acid/ shilajit,
clays, see shirley's wellness cafe for these again.

And, if anyone has tried Calcium AEP I would really like to hear
about that. Here's one to start on that:
http://www.mwt.net/~drbrewer/mintrans.htm 

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Sandi Maurer <jspirit@...> wrote:
>
> This idea of Em frequencies freeing up toxins confuses me. As I see
it
> the EMF's create toxins in the body and those that cannot be
processed
> out are stored in the fat tissues. I think in one of Robert
Becker's
> books he wrote of the theory of the body's cells die off when they
are
> unable to communicate and become free radicals, which are then
either
> processed out (with the help of calcium reserve?) or if unable to
do
> that get stored in the fat tissue. I wish I had retained the quote,
> sorry. I believe this to be accurate based on my own experience of
> living without electricity and losing 17 pounds in the last 6
months.
> The fat from my thighs and tummy are significantly reduced. And my
> health has restored in many ways.
>
> I think that today's electricity is polluted with radio frequencies
and
> that aspect is making people sick. I recently
> recognized that this chest rash I have is still affected by the one
> breaker (computer, light and toaster) out of two I have remaining
on.
> As I have kept that breaker off this past two weeks I have been
through
> another round of detox and the chest rash is reducing . Three
pounds of
> weight has come off since that breaker has been turned off. Its a
> fascinating and sometimes frightening journey.
>
> So I am curious why you , and Marc agree in this idea that the
> frequencies free up toxins, please further explain.
>



         

       
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with the quantum products mark what do you use?

i have used the borage skin stuff but to no effect my skin doesnt seem
to absorb anything and it burns when i apply stuff
I have the mega h here, i was thinking of taking it. I will look into
the cellfood

With regards to your amalgams how quickly did you get them taken out, i
have had mental health issues so thats why i havent gone down this
route as of yet.

thanks for your help
pete
On 24 Jun 2007, at 17:18, Marc Martin wrote:

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> with the quantum products mark what do you use?

I use the Quantum Byte on the computer, the Quantum Companion
I sometimes carry with me, the Quantum power strip has the
computer equipment plugged into it, and the Quantum Home
is running at my desk at work. This technology has been very
helpful for me to tolerate EMF.

> I will look into the cellfood

Note that the Cellfood never directly helped my ES... instead,
it improved my overall health / energy levels, which probably
indirectly helped with the ES.

> With regards to your amalgams how quickly did you get them taken out, i
> have had mental health issues so thats why i havent gone down this
> route as of yet.

Well, I had about 20 of these many years ago, and had them
(unsafely) removed one at a time over a period of 10-15 years
as they went bad, and had them replaced with composite fillings.
I had 5 remaining when got ES, and had all 5 removed within a
period of 24 hours (2 on one day, 3 on the next). I would
NOT recommend doing it this fast, although I'd say that
one every week or two probably would be okay for many.

Marc

The sludge is the amyloid plaques. Sludge it is. Somewhere in an old
magazine I think I still have is an icky picture. If I find it, I'll
post it.

The free radical damage is also from radiation.

The emf does both, it depends on it's frequency, and the person,
whether it is causing problems itself, or helping elminate sludge,
heavy metals or whatnot.

Thanks for the calcium AEP info. Yes, I meant more specifically for
emf sensitivity, as that was mainly what the articles I was reading
were saying it would help correct.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Marc and All,
>    
> This is a bit ironic, since I think I was the person who proposed
the idea of EMFs detoxing back a year or so ago. But I now agree
with the cellular die-off theory that was proposed in the book
mentioned in an earlier post (sorry I don't remember who wrote the
post or the name of the book off hand). The reason I feel that the
cellular die-off theory makes sense is, when you are detoxing, you
have a certain set of symptoms due to lymphatic sludge and congestion
created by the resulting detox. The cellular die-off theory makes
sense in this light, since cellular die-off would create the same
lymphatic "sludge" (for lack of a better, more scientific term).  
ALSO, the brown spots that everyone here is posting about lately can
be caused by free-radical damage (not that some could not be having
them from a virus as well).  

Woohoo Pete,
My crystal ball is a litttle fuzzy, lol.
It could be several things. From the sun is one problem I fortunately
don't have, but other people here do, so searching through old posts
might help.
My skin is very sensitive to applying almost anything too. I know it's
been mentioned some sprays for the skin to use with cellphones are
available now. If it's a waterbased mist it's in, that might help.

Poryphyria can be because your liver needs help.

Do you have a radiation screen on your monitor? I cannot sit long at
all in front of one w/o because of the xrays. That just kills me, and
does make me feel and look sunburned.

If it might be that, you might find a weather site that monitors the
suns xray field, and notice if it's worse when you're out and it's
active, rather than "quiet". I guess it would depend where in the world
you are in relation to that. It's something I've just started casually
monitoring at the moment.

Does it bother your face that isn't exposed, like your forehead from
the brim of a baseball cap? That might give a clue of some kind too?

OH, and if you eat sugar of any kind, in any amount you are going to be
more sensitized. I proved that to myself years ago. No sugar, no
sunburn. That includes honey, molasses, all of it.

If you heat hydrogenated oils, those are going to be plugging up your
skin and also be helpful in causing problems. YOu need a good month and
some serious sweating to get that stuff out, as it doesn't melt at body
temperature.

If some other info. comes my way I'll holler.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], pete robinson <robbo@...> wrote:
>
> ok snoe
> have you got any explanation for why my face burns when i go outside
> and also in front of computer
> and what i can do about it, because no bloody doc or alternative
> therapist has a clue..

Hi, Snoshoe,
   
I agree with you that there are detox reactions due to EMFs and also cellular die-off. One thing I have found in detoxing is almost everything causes detoxing or more correctly lymphatic fluid wastes ("sludge") in one formor another. Some of the sludge is the die-off, some the wastes of things living (bacteria, fungi,.....), some sludge is chemical--hormonal wastes, etc, some free radical waste..... The lymphatic system has to carry alot ofCRAP! ;) I find it somewhat unbelieveable the way MDs have managed to turn a blind eye to the lymphatic system. I know from personal experience that you, Snoshoe, and most probably even I, know more about the lymphatic system than 99.9% of the MDs out there. It is somewhat scary. I can only imagine the number of people who are ill in one way or another from this yet "undiscovered" medical problem.  
   
I will start taking the Calcium AEP regularly again and look for signs ofhelp with ES. Will let you know how it goes in 2 to 6 weeks.  

Diane


snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote:
The sludge is the amyloid plaques. Sludge it is. Somewhere in an old
magazine I think I still have is an icky picture. If I find it, I'll
post it.

The free radical damage is also from radiation.

The emf does both, it depends on it's frequency, and the person,
whether it is causing problems itself, or helping elminate sludge,
heavy metals or whatnot.

Thanks for the calcium AEP info. Yes, I meant more specifically for
emf sensitivity, as that was mainly what the articles I was reading
were saying it would help correct.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Marc and All,
>
> This is a bit ironic, since I think I was the person who proposed
the idea of EMFs detoxing back a year or so ago. But I now agree
with the cellular die-off theory that was proposed in the book
mentioned in an earlier post (sorry I don't remember who wrote the
post or the name of the book off hand). The reason I feel that the
cellular die-off theory makes sense is, when you are detoxing, you
have a certain set of symptoms due to lymphatic sludge and congestion
created by the resulting detox. The cellular die-off theory makes
sense in this light, since cellular die-off would create the same
lymphatic "sludge" (for lack of a better, more scientific term).
ALSO, the brown spots that everyone here is posting about lately can
be caused by free-radical damage (not that some could not be having
them from a virus as well).



         

       
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Chinese medicine calls the lymph system "the little sewer." I guess
the intestines must be the big sewer. And they call the intestines
the second brain. Go figger.

Yolanda
On Jun 26, 2007, at 9:36 AM, Evie wrote:

> I find it somewhat unbelieveable the way MDs have managed to turn a
> blind eye to the lymphatic system.



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