EHS and California

Hi All,

For studies and work, maybe even doing a PhD there, I have to move to California
for a while (max. 6-7 years :) ) ? So, does someone know the situation regarding EHS there. Are there places where mobile signals are not so strong, no open electro lines... . I think I would be mainly near and South of San Francisco. I am a bit worried about that region, on the other hand side I was reading that many things are happening in California to make it better?

I would appreciate some comments and help.
Thanks,
Stefanie


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I lived there in the 1990's and it was pretty awful, but when I last visited in 2001 it seemed better.
Of course, in CA you can contact the electric company (PG & E) and have them replace the "smartmeter" on the side of your house with one of the older ones that don't emit radiation. You may have to pay a fee.
In the middle of San Fran is a giant radio tower (Sutro Tower) you want to avoid. The BART (underground trains) are electric and troublesome. I didn't have a problem with the other one (CALTRAIN).
It's a fantastic place to live though. I HATED leaving!

John Lankes


--- In [hidden email], Stefanie Toth <stefaniet2@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> For studies and work, maybe even doing a PhD there, I have to move to California
> for a while (max. 6-7 years :) ) ? So, does someone know the situation regarding EHS there. Are there places where mobile signals are not so strong, no open electro lines... . I think I would be mainly near and South of San Francisco. I am a bit worried about that region, on the other hand side I was reading that many things are happening in California to make it better?
>
> I would appreciate some comments and help.
> Thanks,
> Stefanie

On October 17, john <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I lived there in the 1990's and it was pretty awful, but when I last visited in 2001 it seemed better.
> Of course, in CA you can contact the electric company (PG & E) and have them replace the "smartmeter"

Seems like you'd still need to be concerned about your neighbor's smart meters, wi-fi, etc.
So finding a place with few nearby neighbors would be good.  Maybe next to a cliff, a park, etc.

Marc

Stefanie,The Sutro tower IS bad. One website that might help you find additinal informationis www.stopsmartmeters.orgYou could also email Josh Hart, who is the founder of this organization, I'm certainhe could help you narrow down your search of areas. Lizzie
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      Hi All,



For studies and work, maybe even doing a PhD there, I have to move to California

for a while (max. 6-7 years :) ) ? So, does someone know the situation regarding EHS there. Are there places where mobile signals are not so strong, no open electro lines... . I think I would be mainly near and South of San Francisco. I am a bit worried about that region, on the other hand side I was reading that many things are happening in California to make it better?



I would appreciate some comments and help.

Thanks,

Stefanie



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Hi Stefanie,

I lived in Daly City which is the first city south of San Francisco,  
and just south of Ocean Beach.  In SF, PG&E has installed smart  
electric and gas meters, and the water company was installed smart gas  
meters.  PG&E's electric smart meters are much stronger because of the  
need to get the signals transmitted over the hills in SF.   I believe  
there are also smart parking meters in SF, or soon will be.   I have  
to go into the city twice a month, and get dizzy when I do.

You can opt out of having a PG&E smart meter if you pay $75 upfront  
and $10/month.  If you qualify for their low income program, you pay  
$10 upfront and $5/month.  If you live in an apartment, the problem is  
that there are usually banks of meters for the building, so you'll get  
increased exposure, even if you opt out.

According to antennasearch.com, my friend who lives in San Francisco  
has 66 cell towers and 901 antenna with in a 3 mile radius of her  
home.  The San Francisco Bay Area is pretty much blanketed with 4G  
from the cell towers.

The houses here in most of the Bay Area are very close to each other  
in comparison to other parts of the country, so neighbors' smart  
meters, wifi and other wireless can be a problem.  (The houses on  
either side of me are about 10 feet away.)  My ES started with one  
neighbor getting a smart meter about a year before the rest of the  
area.  Now that my whole neighborhood has been "smart metered",  my ES  
has increased substantially.

The SF airport is located just south of San Francisco, so there's  
radar and all sorts of stuff coming from there, but that would only be  
a problem if you lived quite close I would think.

Joshua Hart is from Santa Cruz, and started stopsmartmeters.org  
because of the impending PG&E installation of meters there, which PG&E  
did despite a city ordinance prohibiting it.  It's possible he may be  
able to help.

I'm fairly housebound, and don't go further south than to San Mateo,  
which is down the Peninsula, so I really don't know much about areas  
further south from there.  On the coast, there's a town just south of  
where I am called Pacifica. I believe they have smart meters (you  
could check with PG&E's website), but they may not have so many cell  
towers (check antennasearch and verizon's website).  Pacifica is  
mostly surrounded by cliffs.  The drive is probably about 20-30  
minutes to SF.  Further down on the coast is Half Moon Bay which may  
also be worth exploring.

There's a city called Alameda in the East Bay that may not have smart  
meters.  I was told by a resident there that they have their own power  
company.  That was a few years ago, so I don't know if that has  
changed.  To get to San Francisco from there, you have to cross the  
Bay Bridge by car or bus, or take BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) from  
Oakland.

Just to give you a head's up, housing costs, whether renting or  
buying, are very high in the SF Bay Area.  (It can be a shock.)

Hope some of this helps.

Esther



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Hi Esther,

That's exactly what I thought :-) .

Stefanie


--- Esther LeSieur <[hidden email]> schrieb am Do, 18.10.2012:

Von: Esther LeSieur <[hidden email]>
Betreff: Re: [eSens] EHS and California
An: [hidden email]
Datum: Donnerstag, 18. Oktober, 2012 10:36 Uhr

Hi Stefanie,

I lived in Daly City which is the first city south of San Francisco, 
and just south of Ocean Beach.  In SF, PG&E has installed smart 
electric and gas meters, and the water company was installed smart gas 
meters.  PG&E's electric smart meters are much
 stronger because of the 
need to get the signals transmitted over the hills in SF.   I believe 
there are also smart parking meters in SF, or soon will be.   I have 
to go into the city twice a month, and get dizzy when I do.

You can opt out of having a PG&E smart meter if you pay $75 upfront 
and $10/month.  If you qualify for their low income program, you pay 
$10 upfront and $5/month.  If you live in an apartment, the problem is 
that there are usually banks of meters for the building, so you'll get 
increased exposure, even if you opt out.

According to antennasearch.com, my friend who lives in San Francisco 
has 66 cell towers and 901 antenna with in a 3 mile radius of her 
home.  The San Francisco Bay Area is pretty much blanketed with 4G 
from the cell towers.

The houses here in most of the
 Bay Area are very close to each other 
in comparison to other parts of the country, so neighbors' smart 
meters, wifi and other wireless can be a problem.  (The houses on 
either side of me are about 10 feet away.)  My ES started with one 
neighbor getting a smart meter about a year before the rest of the 
area.  Now that my whole neighborhood has been "smart metered",  my ES 
has increased substantially.

The SF airport is located just south of San Francisco, so there's 
radar and all sorts of stuff coming from there, but that would only be 
a problem if you lived quite close I would think.

Joshua Hart is from Santa Cruz, and started stopsmartmeters.org 
because of the impending PG&E installation of meters there, which PG&E 
did despite a city ordinance prohibiting it.  It's possible he may be 
able to
 help.

I'm fairly housebound, and don't go further south than to San Mateo, 
which is down the Peninsula, so I really don't know much about areas 
further south from there.  On the coast, there's a town just south of 
where I am called Pacifica. I believe they have smart meters (you 
could check with PG&E's website), but they may not have so many cell 
towers (check antennasearch and verizon's website).  Pacifica is 
mostly surrounded by cliffs.  The drive is probably about 20-30 
minutes to SF.  Further down on the coast is Half Moon Bay which may 
also be worth exploring.

There's a city called Alameda in the East Bay that may not have smart 
meters.  I was told by a resident there that they have their own power 
company.  That was a few years ago, so I don't know if that has 
changed.  To get to San
 Francisco from there, you have to cross the 
Bay Bridge by car or bus, or take BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) from 
Oakland.

Just to give you a head's up, housing costs, whether renting or 
buying, are very high in the SF Bay Area.  (It can be a shock.)

Hope some of this helps.

Esther



On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:17 AM, Stefanie Toth wrote:
 California to make it better?
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> I would appreciate some comments and help.
> Thanks,
> Stefanie
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Hi All,

I got an offer to continue with my studies and work between Palo Alto and San Jose. Is there not any place which might be still be untouched or anatural environment in California, where a EHS can survive :-) - and which is not so far away from there?

Thanks, Stefanie



--- Esther LeSieur <[hidden email]> schrieb am Do, 18.10.2012:

Check out the YouTube site EMFWATCH. It has some very good examples of what level of radiation is being emitted from these devices and some examples of what the same readings are far away from the devices, the low , natural levels mankind evolved with throughout the history of mankind. The difference between the natural levels and the manmade levels will have you wondering "what are they thinking?" In my opinion the answer to that is $$$$$$.  Profits for the corporations and Tax dollars for the governments.

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On October 19, Stefanie Toth <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I got an offer to continue with my studies and work between Palo Alto and San Jose.
> Is there not any place which might be still be untouched or anatural environment in California,
> where a EHS can survive :-) - and which is not so far away from there?

Well, just look at the satellite photo from Google Maps (or elsewhere).
It looks heavily populated between Palo Alto and San Jose, but not too
far away I see lots of trees, oceans, and mountains (depending on which
way you go).  Probably best to start your search in those areas.

Never been there, but the area around "Palo Alto Foothills Park" looks
good -- all sorts of open Space preserves around there (whatever
those are!)

Marc

helpful link in terms of G3/4 coverage in the USA

http://shop2.sprint.com/en/stores/popups/4G_coverage_popup.shtml

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Yes, that is helpful -- no cellphone coverage at all in some
areas between La Honda and Cupertino... although there
are no houses there, either!  But certainly living on the
fringe of where the houses are and the wilderness begins
could be a good area.

Marc

On October 19, furstc0404 <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> helpful link in terms of G3/4 coverage in the USA
>
> http://shop2.sprint.com/en/stores/popups/4G_coverage_popup.shtml
 

And I also think 'Control': Smart meters - they know exactly how much energy people use, smart cards - they exactly know how much money people spend, smart cars - see know exactly where we go and how often, and so on, and so on. We shifting more and more to Aldous Huxley's 'Brave New World'. When I was reading it during school time it seemed so far away. I guess we are now already there.

Stefanie


--- schlumlum <[hidden email]> schrieb am Fr, 19.10.2012:

Von: schlumlum <[hidden email]>
Betreff: [eSens] Re: EHS and California
An: [hidden email]
Datum: Freitag, 19. Oktober, 2012 18:59 Uhr








 



 


   
     
     
      Check out the YouTube site EMFWATCH. It has some very good examples of what level of radiation is being emitted from these devices and some examples of what the same readings are far away from the devices, the low , natural levels mankind evolved with throughout the history of mankind. The difference between the natural levels and the manmade levels will have you wondering "what are they thinking?" In my opinion the answer to that is $$$$$$.  Profits for the corporations and Tax dollars for the governments.



--- In [hidden email], Stefanie Toth <stefaniet2@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Esther,

>

> That's exactly what I thought :-) .

>

> Stefanie

>

>

> --- Esther LeSieur <gomma@...> schrieb am Do, 18.10.2012:

>

> Von: Esther LeSieur <gomma@...>

> Betreff: Re: [eSens] EHS and California

> An: [hidden email]

> Datum: Donnerstag, 18. Oktober, 2012 10:36 Uhr

>

> Hi Stefanie,

>

> I lived in Daly City which is the first city south of San Francisco, 

> and just south of Ocean Beach.  In SF, PG&E has installed smart 

> electric and gas meters, and the water company was installed smart gas 

> meters.  PG&E's electric smart meters are much

>  stronger because of the 

> need to get the signals transmitted over the hills in SF.   I believe 

> there are also smart parking meters in SF, or soon will be.   I have 

> to go into the city twice a month, and get dizzy when I do.

>

> You can opt out of having a PG&E smart meter if you pay $75 upfront 

> and $10/month.  If you qualify for their low income program, you pay 

> $10 upfront and $5/month.  If you live in an apartment, the problem is 

> that there are usually banks of meters for the building, so you'll get 

> increased exposure, even if you opt out.

>

> According to antennasearch.com, my friend who lives in San Francisco 

> has 66 cell towers and 901 antenna with in a 3 mile radius of her 

> home.  The San Francisco Bay Area is pretty much blanketed with 4G 

> from the cell towers.

>

> The houses here in most of the

>  Bay Area are very close to each other 

> in comparison to other parts of the country, so neighbors' smart 

> meters, wifi and other wireless can be a problem.  (The houses on 

> either side of me are about 10 feet away.)  My ES started with one 

> neighbor getting a smart meter about a year before the rest of the 

> area.  Now that my whole neighborhood has been "smart metered",  my ES 

> has increased substantially.

>

> The SF airport is located just south of San Francisco, so there's 

> radar and all sorts of stuff coming from there, but that would only be 

> a problem if you lived quite close I would think.

>

> Joshua Hart is from Santa Cruz, and started stopsmartmeters.org 

> because of the impending PG&E installation of meters there, which PG&E 

> did despite a city ordinance prohibiting it.  It's possible he may be 

> able to

>  help.

>

> I'm fairly housebound, and don't go further south than to San Mateo, 

> which is down the Peninsula, so I really don't know much about areas 

> further south from there.  On the coast, there's a town just south of 

> where I am called Pacifica. I believe they have smart meters (you 

> could check with PG&E's website), but they may not have so many cell 

> towers (check antennasearch and verizon's website).  Pacifica is 

> mostly surrounded by cliffs.  The drive is probably about 20-30 

> minutes to SF.  Further down on the coast is Half Moon Bay which may 

> also be worth exploring.

>

> There's a city called Alameda in the East Bay that may not have smart 

> meters.  I was told by a resident there that they have their own power 

> company.  That was a few years ago, so I don't know if that has 

> changed.  To get to San

>  Francisco from there, you have to cross the 

> Bay Bridge by car or bus, or take BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) from 

> Oakland.

>

> Just to give you a head's up, housing costs, whether renting or 

> buying, are very high in the SF Bay Area.  (It can be a shock.)

>

> Hope some of this helps.

>

> Esther

>

>

>

> On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:17 AM, Stefanie Toth wrote:

>

> > Hi All,

> >

> > For studies and work, maybe even doing a PhD there, I have to move 

> > to California

> > for a while (max. 6-7 years :) ) ? So, does someone know the 

> > situation regarding EHS there. Are there places where mobile signals 

> > are not so strong, no open electro lines... . I think I would be 

> > mainly near and South of San Francisco. I am a bit worried about 

> > that region, on the other hand side I was reading that many things 

> > are happening in

>  California to make it better?

> >

> > I would appreciate some comments and help.

> > Thanks,

> > Stefanie

> >

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Thanks very much Marc. I hope I can find something.
I guess my life will now always look that. I always will now
have to find something in the wildness :-) , driving there?
I wonder I am not even starting to like it :-) .

Stefanie


--- Marc Martin <[hidden email]> schrieb am Fr, 19.10.2012:

Von: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Betreff: Re: [eSens] Re: EHS and California
An: [hidden email]
Datum: Freitag, 19. Oktober, 2012 21:27 Uhr








 



 


   
     
     
      Yes, that is helpful -- no cellphone coverage at all in some

areas between La Honda and Cupertino... although there

are no houses there, either!  But certainly living on the

fringe of where the houses are and the wilderness begins

could be a good area.



Marc



On October 19, furstc0404 <[hidden email]> wrote:

>

> helpful link in terms of G3/4 coverage in the USA

>

> http://shop2.sprint.com/en/stores/popups/4G_coverage_popup.shtml

 



   
     

   
   






 





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I was there some years back.
Some rural parts of Colorado,
are quite nice...I am looking
at there too, and would like to
be within good distance of California.

But then again, I am looking at other places
such as rural parts of Chile etc.


--- In [hidden email], Stefanie Toth <stefaniet2@...> wrote:

stefanie, i have been looking at "very small houses"
which can be built on wheels.  if an area becomes
intolerable, you can move it to another area.  i have
also been looking lustfully at airstream trailers...
they are made of metal and can also be moved.  
love, patricia


On Oct 19, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Stefanie Toth wrote:

i was looking for myself - because i have had a nasty little
wound for many years now - since i moved into a place
that had a huge old transformer just a few yards from my
windows - and it is getting worse, not better due to my
newfound interest in healing it.  hahaha...  

i found something that sounds promising
and thought i'd share with you all who also have skin problems...
i'm going to get some maluka honey, aloe vera and
b2 - or buy the 'wound honey' product that you can find
by searching on the web.  
i'm going to call around and see if i can find it sold locally.

great reviews here:
http://www.isabellacatalog.com/p/Wound-Honey.cfm?tid=708091628

Patricia:  are there areas designated
specially for those houses on wheels
in safe parks?  have you a link?  Would
like to look at safety factors, costs,
permits for "parking" etc..

Thanks


--- In [hidden email], Auntie Patricia <auntiepatricia@...> wrote:

Sounds like a good product, as pure raw honey is known for anti-fungal properties.Here's another to add to your list: Iodine helps heal wounds as well. I just had a friend tell me he had a sore,that was re occurring, and he decided to put a drop of Iodine on it. He did this for 3 days, he said the wound scabbed over, fell off, and there was no scarring. He was quite amazed. Lizzie
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      i was looking for myself - because i have had a nasty little

wound for many years now - since i moved into a place

that had a huge old transformer just a few yards from my

windows - and it is getting worse, not better due to my

newfound interest in healing it.  hahaha...  



i found something that sounds promising

and thought i'd share with you all who also have skin problems...

i'm going to get some maluka honey, aloe vera and

b2 - or buy the 'wound honey' product that you can find

by searching on the web.  

i'm going to call around and see if i can find it sold locally.



great reviews here:

http://www.isabellacatalog.com/p/Wound-Honey.cfm?tid=708091628





   
     

   
   






       

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i'm sorry, stefanie, but i'm not there at this time.
i lived all over the bay area years ago from age 26 to 35,
including marin, the city and all the way down to cupertino.  

i'm up in oregon now.  but maybe you can look on the
internet for camping sites or even bit of land...
or a roommate situation?  
"roommate wanted - i will bring my own little house."  
http://pinterest.com/vjpulver/small-homes-on-wheels-vardos-caravans-such/
i found a roommate situation for a month once in marin
when i needed to attended a class - on craigslist.  
the woman was looking for a permanent roommate, but
i asked if i could stay for just a month, and we worked it out.  
:)  
once you are in CA, you will be able to asses the area better.
redwood city has a lot of mountainous terrain,
menlo park - both on the Highway 1 side.  
near hwy 1 would be better than near I-5.  
I-5 is one big long stretched out city...
hwy 1 is (or was) wooded and hilly... lovely.  :)
it's near stanford (in palo alto, near I-5)
not too far from silicon valley in san jose,
and a community college is on hwy 1, so there might
be places you can find to share at first while you are
looking for a good spot.  ?  

best wishes for finding a very safe, comfortable place.  
love, patricia



On Oct 19, 2012, at 3:23 PM, furstc0404 wrote:

wow.  that sounds good, lizzie.  thanks.
i was looking at a page about mercurochrome,
and i thought the mercury part sounded awful,
but the iodine part sounded good.  i'll see if i
still have some... if not, i'll find some.  

i found a tube of wound honey here!!!  
i am eager to use it.  sounds like a very good
product.  :)  


On Oct 19, 2012, at 5:48 PM, Elizabeth thode wrote:

>
> Sounds like a good product, as pure raw honey is known for anti-fungal properties.Here's another to add to your list: Iodine helps heal wounds as well. I just had a friend tell me he had a sore,that was re occurring, and he decided to put a drop of Iodine on it. He did this for 3 days, he said the wound scabbed over, fell off, and there was no scarring. He was quite amazed. Lizzie
> To: [hidden email]
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> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 15:02:53 -0700
> Subject: [eSens] salve for skin conditions
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