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I've been feeling symptoms of EMF and ES for over a year. However these had aggravated since the last april. Coincidentaly I've been also drinking mineral water. I do understand that minerals in water could increase sensitivity to ES and various EMF. Right now I'm very sensitive to people who are using nearby cellphones and LED devices such as tv screens and so on. To the point that I had to wear dark glasses to reduce the glare. This sensitivity had caused me sore in my eyes for many months.
Therefore I've come to the conclusion that it could be related to the water I'm drinking. But does anyone has also felt this?. The thing is I cannot drink or use tap water now due I have developed some sort of aquagenic urticaria which has aggravated also since last april. Do any of you guys have had similar symptomps?.
By the way In order to keep track and study my environment I had purchased a EMF meter model Cornet ED 88T. Has any of you bought this? I tried to purchase the famous Acoustimeter AM 10 but it has been sold out in amazon and the company which makes them states the model is discontinued. Are both of these similar?. I'm worrying that since I intend to measure any EMF signal from LED screens could cause a loop feedback from the device. Can this happen?.
I hope my doubts could be shared in this community and I look forward to read from your comments.
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Liability disclaimer: None of what I'm about to say is professional advice. I'm not a doctor. What works for me might not work for you, and could potentially even be harmful. Whatever you decide to do as a result of this, you do at your own risk. Most of what I have to say here is from personal experience, guesses, or information gathered online (not from double blind placebo controlled government funded 10+-year, replicated published unbiased studies). What I say could potentially be false or misleading.
Mineral water could influence that, especially if it's high in copper. Copper can both increase and decrease light-sensitivity, depending. Copper is an essential nutrient, but it needs to be in balance with other nutrients (e.g. zinc, vitamin D, magnesium, calcium, vitamin K, etc.), and with your estrogen levels, among probably other things. Don't expect copper to do the same thing every time you take it.
Other minerals might have an impact, too, but I'm not sure which ones definitely do.
I don't normally drink mineral water. So, I can't tell you much about it. I drink either filtered water, or boiled water. I have more energy with filtered water, but I think I feel otherwise healthier with boiled water.
I'm light-sensitive, to artificial lights as well as to UV from the sun. LED doesn't bother me as much as fluorescent, incandescent, and sunlight (with a UV index of 2+). Halogen is my favorite. Bright lights bother me no matter what kind of light it is (except for sunlight without UV; I handle that just fine, I think). I'm sensitive to some radio waves, too.
Anyway, here's what works for me:
* Vitamin D3 (at least 400iu a day): This reduces my light-sensitivity and eye pain, as well as my general symptoms, a *lot* (although perhaps it's more effective with visible light than UV). This also seems to help me a lot with such as Wi-Fi radio waves.
* Going to bed when it's dark, and waking up before or else with, the sunrise. I don't do either of these things enough. Light from the sunrise doesn't bother me (unless I'm trying to sleep); in fact, it makes me feel better. If I'm trying to sleep, the sunrise light makes me feel worse.
* Wear a sleep mask
* Wear UV 400 safety goggles and/or blue-blocking glasses and/or blue and green blocking glasses (Dewalt red laser glasses)
* Avoid UV (Don't go outside without UV400 safety goggles that filter even the ambient light when the UV index is above 1.)
* Watching motion on a screen seems to be better than just looking at a still screen. So, if I watch cartoons or something, it doesn't bother my eyes nearly as much as if I'm reading the news. The enjoyment factor might help, too.
* Use a smaller screen when you use screens.
* I don't do this yet, but try getting a screen filter (so you don't have to wear anything on your eyes while using your monitor).
* The more I get exposed to UV, the more sensitive I am to all kinds of light. So, I really like to avoid that, in order to tolerate it better when it counts. Even if you don't think you're sensitive to UV, you might experiment and see what happens when you avoid it. I didn't used to be as sensitive as I am now, but I suspect it still had an impact on my light-sensitivity.
* Celery seed makes my light-sensitivity (to artificial light) worse. So do bilberry supplements (major eye pain). Celery leaves do the same thing, but not as potently. Celery stalks can do the same thing, but hardly at all by comparison.
* Capsaicin (what makes hot peppers hot) makes me more sensitive to UV. I suspect this may have something to do with capsaicin's influence on collagen. Sweet peppers don't do this.
* If I'm exposed to a lot of constant loud sounds, that also fatigues me. When this gets worse, my light-sensitivity seems to get worse, too.
* I'm less light-sensitive (including to fluorescent light) if I turn off the Wi-Fi.
* Ginger herbal tea
* Drinking hot-ish water, even if there are no herbs in it.
* Avoiding mold, candida and stuff like that
* Avoiding pathogens
* Blocking light from my bedroom window (windows don't block all the UV, apparently) and/or sleeping with red laser glasses on top of my sleep mask with my UV400 safety goggles over all that.
* Playing my digital piano (I feel less light-sensitive while I play; I think it has something to do with neurotransmitters, working memory, and my eye movements while I'm playing.)
* One thing that light (including artificial light and sunlight, but especially bright lights) does to me is make it so I can't (and/or so that it's more difficult to) move part or all of my body. When I can move my hands, but not other stuff, if I repeatedly press my fingers into my palms, or some other repetitious frequency-like activity then I can usually suddenly move easily. I don't know why this works, but I suspect frequencies besides light frequencies also have some kind of impact.
Here are some things that I think might help (but require further investigation, and some things might do the opposite in some circumstances):
* White mulberries fruits or leaves (not black mulberries; whether or not white mulberries help with visible light, they do seem to help with radio waves, and they do make me feel better generally; they do seem to help reduce light sensitivities caused by microbial infections)
* Flax seeds (especially taken with vitamin D)
* Niacin (time doesn't pass as quickly to me when I take niacin—bright light makes time seem to pass faster for me; niacin also gives me a huge energy boost, and makes me more alert, after initially making me more tired; it makes me sleep less when I sleep, too, which is nice if I'm sleeping too long; I haven't tried niacin with bright light to experiment; I think EMFs and even electric currents, deplete niacin, somehow)
* Soybean oil; I used to avoid soybean oil, after a long time of using it, but after further study, I think it might actually be helpful, like I suspect DHA to be.
* Anise (Pimpinella anisum; not star anise!)
* Fennel (it especially might help if copper is implicated)
* Dark therapy! (This seems pretty obvious. I suppose it could help.)
* Vitamin C (it's good for collagen production, and eyes are high in collagen)
* Relaxation and comfort
* B vitamins generally
* When I drink less milk, I think maybe I feel less light-sensitive. However, milk helps me sleep, and has other benefits. So, it's give and take.
Also, be careful with tap water. It might be contaminated with bacteria or something, and if it's not, it might be high in chlorine. I think that might be partially why boiling ours helps me.
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I myself have noticed quite a bit of difference due to the type of water I drink.
Spring water with a high pH (e.g. "Icelandic" bottled water) makes me bloat. Seems like my digestion doesn't like this. Perhaps due to too little stomach acid, and this making things worse.
As for other popular bottled waters, I find Aquafina is the least problematic.
Fiji water is supposed to be healthy & detoxify aluminum, but I get terrible headaches from drinking it (detox?).
And "deuterium depleted water" is quite fashionable these days. I really get a boost of energy from drinking as little as 8 ounces of "Deuterium Aqua 65" water (65ppm as opposed to the usual 150ppm in most water)
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If you want to detox aluminum, apples are a pretty good natural option: Malic acid helps to remove it from the body, and pectin chelates stuff, too (I'm not sure if pectin chelates aluminum specifically, but I believe it chelates heavy metals like mercury and lead). I personally think the malic acid from apples works, without even eating loads of them at a time, but that's an opinion, of course.
I'm slightly allergic (or something) to apples; so, I don't usually eat them very often, but they seem to remove the memory side-effect after I take PermaGuard food grade diatomaceous earth (which contains aluminum, but seems to detox all kinds of stuff strongly; one of the side-effects is it seems to worsen my short-term memory, but at least it seems to make it so I can eat more kinds of food, and makes me feel better).
Before I realized that regular apples seem to work just as well (as pure malic acid), I used to mix pure malic acid with water and drink it, but it made my intrusive thoughts significantly worse (and for a like a couple months after I stopped taking it). I probably took too much malic acid. Apples and unripe fruits (which also have malic acid; it's what makes them sour) don't make my intrusive thoughts worse, though.
On November 28, Puff [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:
> If you want to detox aluminum, apples are a pretty good natural option:
> Malic acid helps to remove it from the body, and pectin chelates stuff,
Heh, well considering that I've eaten "an apple a day" for decades, you'd think that would have worked by now. :-)
Although maybe there is some other aspect to the Fiji water that is causing me issues.
Huh. Well, I don't know everything. I'm just going by my memory symptoms disappearing. How much aluminum and what sort of aluminum are we talking about? Maybe it's a more serious aluminum toxicity, or a form that malic acid doesn't chelate easily.
Do you use those crystal rock deodorants that seem to be aluminum-free? They work, but they're *not* aluminum-free. They're often made out of Ammonium aluminium sulfate (aka alum, or ammonium alum), which is a mineral salt. I used to use those, thinking they were aluminum-free, for years, until I looked up ammonium alum to see what it was. I don't know if that got aluminum in my system or not, though.
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Anyway, back to the topic at hand, it seems that eating flax seeds (I've been eating them with peanut butter for a few days now) really seems to be helping against my UV sensitivity (which in theory might help with my other light-sensitivities). I was able to sleep without even wearing a sleep mask both yesterday, and today (with the sun out), and my eyes don't even hurt. That gives me a lot of hope that I'll survive next year when the UV index skyrockets again. I was worried I might die or something, since it was getting worse. A UV index of 2 is bad enough!
Thanks for that kind response. To be honest as I mentioned I started to feel my symptomps aggravated after the consumption of mineral water.
Since the mineral water which I drink "states" that it has more calcium than other waters this made me to realize that calcium could be another factor to consider when you are a sufferer of EMF sensitivity and ES.
By chance I've found this study
The author refers to a study made 30 years ago which may explain the mechanism related in the EMF sensitivity along with exacerbating allergies. The study suggests that neurological symptoms of EHS are likely to be due to the radiation increasing the permeability of nerve cells to make them generate spurious impulses.
The study itself is very logical and indicates that the thing is that our body has the capacity to defend itself from the exposure from EMF however with time it exhausts from doing so. Nerves which are mediated by calcium channels become disorganized and eventually hypersensitive.
I'm thankful that you mentioned pectin from apples could work as quelating stuff and could reduce aluminum in our body and this could also help in reducing the symptoms from ES.
Marc has mentioned different sorts of water which he takes. I wonder have you noticed that taking any of them has increased your ES?.
Regarding artificial lights, all sorts of lights make me feel ES in the sense of a very thin electrical arc or as very thin needles going through my skin, muscles and eyes. Specially in the eyes below and in the upper eyelids which kind of concerns me. The worst offender as indicated are the LED lights, such as the ones from newer devices and even optical mice. Because of this reason it becomes difficult for me to use these devices and of course my own laptop which I can tolerate it by short time. Hopefully it is an older laptop and I seem to tolerate it better than newer computers. I've also notices with modern devices like cooling systems and even refrigerators. I have no idea if this could be related with newer technologies in brushless motors or things like that.
Have you guys also experienced this?. By the way I'm sorry for the late reply. I have been moving from one home to another due to this problem.
On December 2, Chemist116 [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Marc has mentioned different sorts of water which he takes. I wonder
> have you noticed that taking any of them has increased your ES?.
I don't think I've noticed anything in particular with regards to different waters and its impact on my ES.
I have only noticed them having different effects on other symptoms.
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Well, it's the malic acid (not the pectin) which chelates the aluminum. Pectin is said to chelate other stuff, though, but not aluminum. Apples contain malic acid and pectin.
I've experienced worse light-sensitivity when drinking tap water, especially in the summer when it gets prone to being contaminated with bacteria and extra chlorine from time to time (to kill the bacteria).
I haven't had similar problems with purchased bottled water (spring water or otherwise; I'm not sure if my spring water classied mineral water; it was generally a store brand like Great Value, Crystal Geisure, or something). They all seem fine in that regard, but they may have wood alcohol and plastic contamination. Distilled water can cause problems if you drink it (I used to drink it, and it caused subtle problems with my teeth that I noticed go away when I stopped drinking it, and come back when I started again).
Neglecting to change my water filter very often seems to have a negative impact.
That's interesting about calcium and EHS. I wonder if I would be a lot less light-sensitive on a milk-free diet (milk does make my symptoms worse, it seems, but I figured that was the yeast in the milk). I have consumed a *lot* of milk, this year. I wonder how much calcium is in your mineral water. Do acids (such as vinegar) make it fizz? I wouldn't conclude anything one way or the other if it doesn't fizz, but if it does fizz, that would be really alkaline water, I'm guessing.
I think I'm allergic to flax seeds. So, I'm not taking them anymore, and I probably won't find out how much they help. But, I can always order a DHA supplement, something else with omega-3 fatty acids, or some such. However, the last time or two I ate flax seeds, I didn't notice that they helped.
I noticed that when I took the air conditioner out of my bedroom window for the winter that the sunlight from the window didn't bother me nearly so much, even with the UV index at 2, with me sleeping with it light. The tiny cracks that let in unfiltered light around the air conditioner must have made a huge difference. Who knew such small amounts (peeps, really) of light could do anything to you. Or maybe I'm allergic to air conditioners even when they're off. I need to re-evaluate putting it back in next year. It gets pretty hot, but heat doesn't bother me much without UV exposure. I feel very heat-sensitive with UV exposure this year. I'm really excited for that air conditioner to be gone. The light from my window in my room feels so much better. I still intend to block it, in large part, though.
I don't relate well to what you specifically describe with LEDs; it sounds closer to what other people here besides myself might relate to. I'm more sensitive to the light itself than the other electromagnetic aspects of the LEDs. I used to have bigger problems with LED light than I do right now. When they bother me, they make me feel worn out, achy, feverish, and hyperfocused/obsessive/manic/addicted, and it's hard to transition between activities (including eating, sleeping, personal care, or stuff I need to do, however urgent it is.) They might hurt my eyes, and make me feel unwell. They make it harder to move. If I don't take vitamin D, and/or white mulberries, they make me feel worse than that with other symptoms similar to the radio wave symptoms I have (and they hurt my eyes a lot more); it doesn't feel good for my heart/brain at all, either. Same for my adrenals.
I can use my tablet longer without problems if I turn blue shade on, and/or if I turn the brightness down a lot.
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