Do laptops or desktops give the most EMFS?

Assuming you are using the laptop's keyboard and the laptop is plugged
in with AC power, would you get more EMFs from a laptop or desktop?
Since you'd be using the laptop's keyboard, you'd have to be closer to
its screen than a desktop's monitor. Which one is more preventable,
laptops or desktops? Are desktops better if you have a big monitor and
can sit farther back than a laptop? Or are they both the same with
some EMF blocking products?

I think desktops can be easier to tolerate, because with a laptop
you are so close to it. With desktops, you only need to be close
to the keyboard and the mouse, and the computer and monitor can
be kept a reasonable distance away. And if you are really sensitive,
you can buy extension cords for the keyboard and mouse and make the
computer and monitor really far away. You may need to buy a
larger monitor in this case, but I find the distance factor
outweighs the additional EMF from a larger monitor. (My computer
monitor is about 4 feet away from me, and 26" diagonal)

Marc

Are there any products that you know of that would make desktops and
laptops give you the same EMFs, regardless of distance? Or does
distance help more than any EMF blocking products do?

I think it's nice to run off a battery. If you are electronically fluent
you could run a regular desktop on a battery pack, but it's obviously
easier with a laptop, which has a battery. Then add external keyboard
and external monitor.

Bill

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


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> Are there any products that you know of that would make desktops and
> laptops give you the same EMFs, regardless of distance? Or does
> distance help more than any EMF blocking products do?

Distance has one advantage over most EMF blocking products -- it
seems to work for everyone, and it is easily understood. With EMF
blocking products, you will find that certain types of products
work in some situations for some people, while someone else may
not experience the same benefits. Also, if you are dealing
with EMF protection devices, some people refuse to use them
because they don't understand how they work, or don't believe
that they will work.

Also, another thing to consider -- some monitors and laptops
allow you to turn down the backlight, making the screen
dimmer. This may also help make it more tolerable. Also,
lowering the resolution may help as well (if for no other
reason than you see it better from a greater distance)

Also, not all desktops and laptops are created equally.
You may find one particular brand or model is far easier
to tolerate than another. Or you may find that it makes
a difference in how you use it (it may be harder to
tolerate when turning on the Wi-Fi radio, or downloading
large files from the Internet, etc)

Marc

So laptops will in most cases give you more EMFs unless you use an
external monitor and keyboard with them at least 4 feet away? I would
imagine that a battery on a desktop would run out of power very
quickly. But how would using a battery on a desktop emit less EMFs?
Would the monitor also be run on a battery?

> I would
> imagine that a battery on a desktop would run out of power very
> quickly. But how would using a battery on a desktop emit less EMFs?
> Would the monitor also be run on a battery?

That seems rather impractical to run a desktop computer and/or
standalone computer monitor on a battery. You'd be better off
simply trying to improve the quality of the power going into
these, like with a filtering power strip or an EMF protection
device. But here we get into the area where not everyone
will experience improvements with these (and may even get
worse), so you'd have to experiment and see if you notice
any improvements.

Marc

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Even with EMF protection, how much worse is it to use a laptop right
in front of you with no external monitor or keyboard for hours at a
time than a desktop that's 3 to 4 feet away from you?

> Even with EMF protection, how much worse is it to use a laptop right
> in front of you with no external monitor or keyboard for hours at a
> time than a desktop that's 3 to 4 feet away from you?

That really depends on your individual sensitivities. In my case,
I've got all sorts of EMF protection devices, and find that using
a laptop will start to bother me with less than an hour of use,
even when running on batteries and with the wireless antenna
turned off. On the other hand, I can use my desktop for 10
hours a day, everyday if I wanted to.

But my testing isn't exactly fair, because I use a desktop
at home and work and the laptop is only used on trips.

Marc

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But regardless if someone feels these short-term effects, isn't it
going to be equally as bad for their long-term health? I personally
felt more uncomfortable from a laptop due to its warm keyboard and the
screen seemed harder on my eyes for some reason. I was even sweating
when I had it on my lap.

> But regardless if someone feels these short-term effects, isn't it
> going to be equally as bad for their long-term health?

I suppose it depends if the short-term "feeling bad" is due to
something being harmful, or is simply the body detoxifying
itself. And if the short-term "feeling good" is due a less
harmful environment, or the body's detoxification systems being
suppressed.

For example, I've long used items from Quantum Products to
help improve my tolerance to EMF. However, I get the
impression that these might be suppressing my body's
detoxification mechanisms, which makes me feel good
in the short-term, but may not be a good thing in the
long run if used in excess.

Marc

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So either way it may have a negative effect in the long-term? What do
you think of this Aulterra Neutralizer?
http://www.aulterra.com/en-US/welcome/item_detail/1 It's supposed to
reduce EMFs after you stick it on your computer or cell phone. If I
stuck one on every one of my computers, TVs, and monitors, would I no
longer need to worry about EMFs?

> So either way it may have a negative effect in the long-term?

I'm just pointing out that short term improvements don't
necessarily mean long term improvements. The better
solutions provide both. :-)

> What do you think of this Aulterra Neutralizer?

I have an Aulterra Neutralizer, and I find that its
not powerful enough to reduce my symptoms around
computers. In fact, I recall that it made my
symptoms worse! (probably due to my body
mobilizing more toxins that my liver can
not process)

Marc

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
What are these "better solution"? And what products have you purchased
that have completely removed EMFs from your home?

> What are these "better solution"? And what products have
> you purchased that have completely removed EMFs from your home?

There is no good way to completely remove EMFs from your
home, so you'll need to ask a different question.

With my particular sensitives and my particular EMF
environment, I regularly use the following devices:

Quantum Companion http://www.quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_companion.html
Quantum Home http://www.quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_home.html
Quantum Byte http://www.quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_byte.html
Quantum Power Conditioner http://www.quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_power.html
Springlife stainless steel pendant http://www.choosecra.com/store/tech/splf-silver-pendants.html
Tachyonized wrist bands http://www.tachyon-energy-products.com/index.htm

I also occasionally use the following devices:

Mega-Chi pendant http://www.oxygenresearch.com/oxybliss/megachipendant.html
Personal Polarizer http://cutcat.com/item.php?item_id=827

There are certainly lots of other devices on the
market, and I have tried many of them, but these
are the above are the ones I use, and I've used
them long enough to know that they provide both
short and long term benefits.

Marc

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote: http://www.quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_companion.html
> Quantum Home http://www.quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_home.html
> Quantum Byte http://www.quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_byte.html
> Quantum Power Conditioner
http://www.quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_power.html
> Springlife stainless steel pendant
http://www.choosecra.com/store/tech/splf-silver-pendants.html
> Tachyonized wrist bands
http://www.tachyon-energy-products.com/index.htm
>
> I also occasionally use the following devices:
>
> Mega-Chi pendant
http://www.oxygenresearch.com/oxybliss/megachipendant.html
Which one of these works best? And with these products,would you still
get more EMFs when using a laptop's keyboard directly in front of you,
than when using a desktop?

> Which one of these works best? And with these products,would you still
> get more EMFs when using a laptop's keyboard directly in front of you,
> than when using a desktop?

Again, these products do NOT change the amount of EMFs coming from
a laptop. They merely make the EMFs more tolerable (to me, at least).
For a laptop, I generally use the Quantum Byte software (which has
a 2-week free trial), a Quantum power conditioner (plug the laptop's
power cord into this), and a Springlife pendant (to be placed on
your person or on the laptop).

So that's 3 products all used at once. As for which one product
works the best, I suppose the Quantum Home or the Mega-Chi pendant.
However, those products are far more expensive.

Also, if looking for a single product, I had good luck with
former list-member Vinny Pinto's Coherent Space devices:

http://www.coherentspace.info/products.html

I generally don't mention these because they are very expensive,
and there are no money-back guarantees offered.

Marc

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I would like to know what the ideal situation would be to avoid as
much negative effects of EMFs as possible. Out of the following
scenarios, which ones would you get the worst effects from EMFs and
which ones would you get the least when doing these for hours at a
time? Could you possibly rate each scenario as to how healthy or
unhealthy it would be to do for several or many hours each day?

using a laptop on a table 2 feet or less away from you with an
external mouse, but no external keyboard or monitor or EMF blocking
products

using a laptop on a table 2 feet or less away from you with no
external keyboard or monitor with EMF blocking products and an
external mouse

using a laptop on a table 4 feet or more away from you with an
external monitor, keyboard, and mouse with EMF blocking products

using a desktop two feet or less from you with no EMF blocking products

using a desktop two feet or less from you with EMF blocking products

using a desktop four feet or more from you with no EMF blocking products

using a desktop four feet or more from you with EMF blocking products

> I would like to know what the ideal situation would be to avoid as
> much negative effects of EMFs as possible. Out of the following
> scenarios, which ones would you get the worst effects from EMFs and
> which ones would you get the least when doing these for hours at a
> time? Could you possibly rate each scenario as to how healthy or
> unhealthy it would be to do for several or many hours each day?

Hmmm, I think there is such a large variation in laptops and
desktops and EMF blocking products that it is impossible to
generically rate them against each other.

All I can say is that after experimenting for years, I have found
the following to be the healthiest option:

"using a desktop four feet or more from you with EMF blocking products"

Marc

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote: products"
>
> Marc

That's what I thought would be best, but how does it compare to using
a desktop four feet away without EMF products? Is the desktop four
feet away without EMF products still better than using a laptop two
feet away from you with or without EMF blocking products?
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