Do Graham-Stetzer filters really work.

Hey everyone, I haven't posted on here in a while. I am not sure if
any of you are aware of my previous postings regarding my emf problem.
However, my problem hasn't gotten any better at all. I have this
constant gum pain that never goes anywhere. After awhile, I will feel
tingling across my face, and get tinnitus, if I am exposed too long.
However, those symptoms come and go if I get more sleep. I think my
problem is slowly getting worse though. The only thing that is
constant is this feeling of tightness in the back of my mouth where
the buccal nerve, or the superior alveolar nerve is located. It seems
like that is the trigger to all my other symptoms. When those nerves
loosen up, my other symptoms disapper. However, the tighter and
tighter they get, the more and more of the other symptoms I get. The
pain and tightness in those nerves NEVER go anywhere; and sometimes, I
wonder, if my actual nerve is sensitized and not my whole head. I
have even been to Stanford, and got a nerve block done, but it didn't
really do too much good because it was only with something similar to
lidocaine. The pain came righht back afterward. There is some
sensory nerve problem going on. I wonder if my EMF Sensitivity is due
to a nerve-tagging fault. I wonder if I have to totally destroy the
nerve. I don't really know what to do.  

If I take a shower, I also get some relief, I wonder why that is? I
get a whole lot of relief when I go outside and breathe fresh air for
a while. However, I don't know how to get relief INSIDE my apartment.
I have even changed apartments, and once my body can sense a little
of that EMF, it brings back the symptoms. My body is in control of
this, because I can go to a new place full of electronics, and for a
while, I won't feel anything but that constant pain in my nerves.
However, after being there a few times, it replicates the same
feelings there as they do in my apartment. I need help; before this
problem makes m e totally unable to live my life.

I believe, if I could just find a way to make my apartment as EMF free
as possible, I could possibly make a full recovery. The question is
HOW? I have purchased an Earthcalm resontor, but that didn't do
anything. I think that my body wants to; because when I go outside
for a while, it is like I build up this reserve. However, after about
30 minutes of being inside any place, it disappears. I had a terribly
bad exposure to EMF back in 2003 from a big screen monitor that left
me in this condition. It is really messing up my life; and I am just
TRYING to figure out a way to get some RELIEF so that I can finish
school. It's been total hell taking these hard classes with this pain
that I have. I am surprised I have gotten this far.  

The one thing that is constant, is this pain in my gums. Has anybody
ever tried the Stetzer filters? I ordered a bundle of 20, but I had
to cancel my order because they didn't have the item in stock. They
had it on backorder. I am thinking about trying to order from another
manufacturer. However, do anyone think that they will help? I also
read where a guy said that his wife got better through taking
siea-salts and stuff. What type of symptoms did she have? Were they
similar to mine. I mean SOMETHING has got to work here. I have tried
NMT, didn't work, biofeedback, didn't work, 2 sinus surgeries, didn't
work, a temporary nerveblock, that didn't work either, and now I am at
a loss as to what to do. I just want relief.  

I have been in this pain for 5 years. I also have terrible stomach
problems too, and bad allergies; and I wonder if my EMF Sensitivity is
linked to my digestive problems. I have IBS, and I have recently
ordered some products to help heal my stomach lining.

Someone please give me some TRUE info on those Stetzer filters;
because I have heard that they were a scam. I need to know the truth .

Someone please get back to me.

John

john, silly question , but have you considered moving?
 
also just for daily maintenance  to help with physical energy levels , you might want to explore the donna eden links that i have up loaded in the links section, this helps me with symptoms such as fatigue etc. Good luck , i do feel for you , this is a really horrendous infirmity because its so indiscriminate , and so all pervasive, an invisible monster.
 
Ada

--- On Fri, 10/10/08, jbbolden24 <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: jbbolden24 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Do Graham-Stetzer filters really work.
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 10 October, 2008, 11:09 AM


Hey everyone, I haven't posted on here in a while. I am not sure if
any of you are aware of my previous postings regarding my emf problem.
However, my problem hasn't gotten any better at all.

In a message dated 10/10/2008 1:09:27 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

lidocaine. The pain came righht back afterward. There is some
sensory nerve problem going on. I wonder if my EMF Sensitivity is due
to a nerve-tagging fault. I wonder if I have to totally destroy the
nerve. I don't really know what to do.



Have you thought of going for a BOTOX jab, perhaps this will help ? I bet
our nerves are effected by similar principle to length of cables and atennas
that are then effected by RFI. The nerves will pick up and re-radiate certain
wave lengths, certainly this will be complex given the mass and complexity of
nerve fibres. I wonder how electronic engineers trick cables etc into
thinking they are shorter than they are etc.. is there a way that we can filter
our nerves(suspect that there are such organic components in the body, what are
they how do they work, can we copy them) , not to be confused with
supressing ie using drugs ??

PUK - Just hypothesising






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In a message dated 10/10/2008 1:09:27 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I have even changed apartments, and once my body can sense a little
of that EMF, it brings back the symptoms. My body is in control of
this, because I can go to a new place full of electronics, and for a
while, I won't feel anything but that constant pain in my nerves.
However, after being there a few times, it replicates the same
feelings there as they do in my apartment. I need help; before this
problem makes m e totally unable to live my life.



This has been reported by many Essers, I think that your nervous
system/immune system has tagged the EMR as an aggressor (if only we new the organic
machine code for this we could re-write it but we are not GOD) So you can
initially handle a novel environment, but because your home environment is so
specific ie it has its own practically unique EMR signature, and your body has had
plenty of time to record and recognise this, when you go to another place it
will take time to decide wether it sees the environment as a threat and most
likely it will, evan at low levels because of the cumulative effect and the
so called neurological adaption (albeit not seemingly in your favour)that takes
place. I have hypothesised over this one, it is the same for me with
laptops and TVs, and waliking into a store that sells TVs and computers etc.. I
dont fall over and yet you would think that this place with 30 TVs on the go
would kill me, but no - Of course how long do you spend in these places
especially if you are in ultra health protect mode also the electrics in these
places might be better balanced/filtered than your home whose to say without
detailed investigation. My own laptop gives me hell but sometimes other peoples
do not initially they will all have a unique EMR signature. That said I am
not to proud to also recognise the indivorcable Psychological element here,
its a no brainer that it will be present with the physiological effects and to
work on this aspect will help to gain more control over the outcome that the
EMR stimuli induces. So when you attend a new environment there will be
other parts of your brain/phyche working you may be more or less optomistic in
that environment and actually more "distracted", than if you are in your own
home where you intrinsically/subliminally expect the right to feel good/relaxed
and when you do not you will experience a heightened stress response which
will include subliminal and extrinsic anger. Showers and fresh air are
relaxing, and that is one thing that we as Essers get little of in this wired and
increasingly wireless world. A rested body is a calm one, so when our cells
are constantly agitated we are in a vicious circle, - have you thought of
buying (very expensive though) a faraday tent to erect in your bedroom, if you can
improve the quality of your sleep then your body will be less overwhelmed by
the ES symptoms. - Sorry I am rambling....


PUK






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In a message dated 10/10/2008 1:09:27 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Someone please give me some TRUE info on those Stetzer filters;
because I have heard that they were a scam. I need to know the truth .

Someone please get back to me.




Perhaps truth is the wrong thing to seek, its like a russion doll, it
depends which doll you live in, and who is holding it, adinfinitum.....

PUK






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Hi there,

I thought I read just yesterday here someone's speculation that people
with electrosensitivity may have gut permeability issues, a.k.a.,
"leaky gut". Many people have reported other inner toxicities, such
as mercury poisoning from amalgam fillings, etc.  

I wish you the very best, and do not give up!

R.

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:09:12 -0000, "jbbolden24" <[hidden email]> said:
> If I take a shower, I also get some relief, I wonder why that is? I
> get a whole lot of relief when I go outside and breathe fresh air for
> a while.

I used to notice improvements from showers and outside air, fortunately
I don't really need those things anymore.

> I believe, if I could just find a way to make my apartment as EMF free
> as possible, I could possibly make a full recovery. The question is
> HOW? I have purchased an Earthcalm resontor, but that didn't do
> anything.

I had the opposite problem with the Earthcalm products -- not only
did they do something, they were intolerable for more than a few
hours a day. You might try stuff from Quantum Products and see
if they do anything for you. Something as simple as their $90
power strip might help (or even their $30 "Mini-Max" which I
guess they only sell over the phone, as I don't see it on their
website).

> I think that my body wants to; because when I go outside
> for a while, it is like I build up this reserve. However, after about
> 30 minutes of being inside any place, it disappears.

You might also try air cleaners which use some ozone (Aranizer,
Biozone Scientific) to try and replicate the outside ozone
inside your house. These products are all imperfect at
replicating "outdoor air", but I find can be better than
not doing anything if you can get the ozone levels to
be approximately the same as outdoor levels. You might
need to experiment with models with different output levels
or put them on a recycle timer to get the levels "just right".

> I have tried
> NMT, didn't work, biofeedback, didn't work, 2 sinus surgeries, didn't
> work, a temporary nerveblock, that didn't work either, and now I am at
> a loss as to what to do. I just want relief.

You should at the very least look at super-antixidants like H-Minus
or Amrit. Probably some sort of anti-fungal, anti-parasitic
preparation (mix of herbs, or something like grapefruit seed
extract). Something for adrenal and/or thyroid support --
are you getting enough absorbable iodine in your daily
routine?

> Someone please give me some TRUE info on those Stetzer filters;
> because I have heard that they were a scam.

A few people here have had great luck with the Stetzer filters.
Others noticed no improvements, and others found them an
additional source of irritation. I fell into the last category
-- almost any plug-in device with a cheap capacitor shunt
filter causes me irritation, although I find the more
expensive filtering power strips to be fine.

Marc

> john, silly question , but have you considered moving?

John said that he has already moved, so presumably this is not
a problem that can easily be fixed by moving (like Loni's
case). Many times ES folks are unable to handle almost
any "normal" living environment (e.g. with a TV, fridge,
computer, phone, etc).

In such cases, one really needs to focus on improving
health, avoidance as much as practical, and hoping that
one of the hundreds of EMF protection devices on the
market is helpful.

Marc

Hi, John and Marc,
 
I am guessing that John is living in a large metropolitan area?  You mention apartment living and going to school.  If you go online on the antennae search site, John, and enter your address, it will tell you how many cell, microwave, and other antennae and towers there are around you.  The site has been mentioned many times here, but if you need it, here it is again:
 
http://www.antennasearch.com/
 
Perhaps what Ada meant was John's moving to a more rural area would help him.  (Might not work with your schooling goals, but some schools have longdistance learning and then you go just for a couple months to campus once a year for particular classes.)
 
I have auto-immune tmj, John (have you ever checked this out?); in my case,it is supposed to be secondary to celiac disease (celiac disease spawns many autoimmune diseases given the time to do so and since I was not dxed for4 decades, I have/had alot going on).  I have had surgery for it but theemfs kick it up and now I get pain all the way down the right side of my neck into my back; it encompasses my right eye and there is a distinct path it travels from the eye up and then down the back of my head, down to my (and sometimes past) my shoulder blade.  I do not have this always, not even in emfs.  However, since becoming more es, I have this often when in heavy emf areas and it seems to also react to cold air blowing on this area (sort of like a neuralgia).  It is excruciating when it actsup and I used to end up with a migraine type headache for days at a time along with it.  Water is known to help migraines (showers and tub soaks).  It
does help this.  Finally I also found wrapping my head, neck, and shoulder area in a heavy towel or shawl helps it alot. (The warmth.)  I do not know if what you experience is similar or not.  Just try that once and see if it is any relief.  Now when I get this, I wrap my head and in about an hour the pain goes away.  No pain killers, however, work for this.  I think trigger point massage might work for this and possibly for what you have, too.  But I do not live in an area where there are people who do this.  I have a hand massager wand, tho, that does help with this too.  So there are a couple of ideas to try.
 
hope this helps!
Diane

--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Do Graham-Stetzer filters really work.
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 2:29 PM






> john, silly question , but have you considered moving?

John said that he has already moved, so presumably this is not
a problem that can easily be fixed by moving (like Loni's
case). Many times ES folks are unable to handle almost
any "normal" living environment (e.g. with a TV, fridge,
computer, phone, etc).

In such cases, one really needs to focus on improving
health, avoidance as much as practical, and hoping that
one of the hundreds of EMF protection devices on the
market is helpful.

Marc
 














     

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> You might try stuff from Quantum Products and see
> if they do anything for you. Something as simple as their $90
> power strip might help (or even their $30 "Mini-Max" which I
> guess they only sell over the phone, as I don't see it on their
> website).

Oh, my mistake -- you can buy a 3/5/7 outlet versions of
the Quantum Power conditioners here:

http://www.quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_power.html

During the winter months when I have a space heater running
all night in the bedroom (oil filled radiator), the only way
I can get a good nights sleep is to plug in the 3-outlet
version into an outlet near the space heater. However, in
the summer months when the space heater isn't being used, the
use of Quantum Products will make me hyper and prevent
me from getting to sleep, so I only plug it in when the
space heater is being used. (note that you don't have
to plug anything into these power conditioners for them to
work -- merely having them plugged into the wall all by
themselves has a definite effect on the environment)

Marc

> Oh, my mistake -- you can buy a 3/5/7 outlet versions of
> the Quantum Power conditioners here:
>
> http://www.quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_power.html

Oh, and case you want to know what these power conditioners
look like, the company uses stock Power Sentry products and
then modifies them somehow. I think (but am not sure) that
they simply expose them to a certain type of coherent field
which alters the properties of the circuit boards.

The 5-outlet version apparently looks like this (I just
emailed the company to ask):

http://www.powersentry.com/products/100226.php

And the 3-outlet version I have looks like this:

http://www.powersentry.com/products/100603.php

Also, I asked them if they had any new products. They
reported that they have helped a UK company come out
with UK versions of their products ("Clarity Mains"
and "Clarity Pro"):

http://www.russandrews.com/lookup/1/region/UK/currency/GBP/customer_id/PAA1052102608405SONKZYVFKSCCDPIW/category-Russ-Andrews-Mains-Conditioners-PRAMAINCOND.htm

They are also working on an upcoming product which
will be for HDTVs, and feature HDMI connectors.

Marc

Does anyone know a link for antenae /cell base locations in the uk ?
 
Ada

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Sat, 11/10/08, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Do Graham-Stetzer filters really work.
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 11 October, 2008, 6:27 AM






Hi, John and Marc,
 
I am guessing that John is living in a large metropolitan area?  You mention apartment living and going to school.  If you go online on the antennae search site, John, and enter your address, it will tell you how many cell, microwave, and other antennae and towers there are around you.  The site has been mentioned many times here, but if you need it, here it is again:
 
http://www.antennas earch.com/
 
Perhaps what Ada meant was John's moving to a more rural area would help him.  (Might not work with your schooling goals, but some schools have long distance learning and then you go just for a couple months to campus once a year for particular classes.)
 
I have auto-immune tmj, John (have you ever checked this out?); in my case,it is supposed to be secondary to celiac disease (celiac disease spawns many autoimmune diseases given the time to do so and since I was not dxed for4 decades, I have/had alot going on).  I have had surgery for it but the emfs kick it up and now I get pain all the way down the rightside of my neck into my back; it encompasses my right eye and there is a distinct path it travels from the eye up and then down the back ofmy head, down to my (and sometimes past) my shoulder blade.  I do nothave this always, not even in emfs.  However, since becoming more es, I have this often when in heavy emf areas and it seems to also react to cold air blowing on this area (sort of like a neuralgia).  Itis excruciating when it acts up and I used to end up with a migraine type headache for days at a time along with it.  Water is known to help migraines (showers and tub soaks).  It
does help this.  Finally I also found wrapping my head, neck, and shoulder area in a heavy towel or shawl helps it alot. (The warmth.)  I do not know if what you experience is similar or not.  Just try that once and see if it is any relief.  Now when I get this, I wrap my head and in about an hour the pain goes away.  No pain killers, however, work for this.  I think trigger point massage might work for this and possibly for what you have, too.  But I do not live in an area where there are people who do this.  I have a hand massager wand, tho, that does help with this too.  So there are a couple of ideas to try.
 
hope this helps!
Diane

--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Do Graham-Stetzer filters really work.
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 2:29 PM

> john, silly question , but have you considered moving?

John said that he has already moved, so presumably this is not
a problem that can easily be fixed by moving (like Loni's
case). Many times ES folks are unable to handle almost
any "normal" living environment (e.g. with a TV, fridge,
computer, phone, etc).

In such cases, one really needs to focus on improving
health, avoidance as much as practical, and hoping that
one of the hundreds of EMF protection devices on the
market is helpful.

Marc


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