Different types of fields/frequences create different symptoms?
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Hi all, We checked out another relocation option yesterday. Stand
alone house in quiet residential neighborhood away from the city. Clean on a trifield meter (the house was mostly empty but the meter did detect a problem with an overhead fluorescent). We all agree, I think, that the trifield meter is of limited value in these situations, but I have seen it read high magnetic in at least one empty house that instantly gave my husband a strong, piercing headache, so I continue to use it. My personal reading (using myself as a meter) was good. Note that I am not as sensitive as my husband. My husband, who senses and responds to different KINDS of troublesome fields (that are undetectable to me), said this house was free of the buzzy, ambient field that is so pervasive in our current home/neighborhood. However, he observed that the new house DID contain a bit of the more acute, piercing type of field that creates pressure on his temples and gives him a strong headache, vs. making him weak and feverish. We don't know what to call these different fields -- electrical vs. magnetic? We simply take the sensory evidence at face value. My husband compares the difference in effect to having malaria vs. having a broken leg. Do any of you consistently respond to different types of fields/frequencies with different symptoms? We know some types of problems are supposedly easier to mitigate than others. Given the questionable value of the mechanical meters that we have, I'm looking for some kind of insight that might help guide us in looking for a safer place to live. I do know that ES symptoms vary from person to person. I'm just interested in your experiences/thoughts. Cara |
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> However, he observed that the new house
> DID contain a bit of the more acute, piercing type of field that > creates pressure on his temples and gives him a strong > headache That's what using a cellphone does to me. I don't think I'd want to live in a house that has those kinds of fields non-stop. Marc |
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I thought the same thing Marc...radio frequencies. I've heard that the
Trifield is not very good at all at measuring/detecting microwave frequencies. But i presumed that you would have chosen a house miles from any masts (and as it is stand alone, hopefully it should be free from neighbour's dects and wifi). I'd say a very sensitive meter for detecting microwave frequencies is pretty essential. Could you get a mobile signal at the house? On the subject of symptoms. I've just been staying in a valley in Wales, no electricity, no mobiles or masts for miles and still picked up on a very heavy, heady energy. I think it was just a really strong field of some sort coming from the land. Others thought it might be something more sinister! (eg, military, satellites, etc..) There seems to be no end to it! However, despite the feeling of heaviness in my head, a number of my symptoms and sensitivites DID improve while i was there even for a few days only. --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote: > > > However, he observed that the new house > > DID contain a bit of the more acute, piercing type of field that > > creates pressure on his temples and gives him a strong > > headache > > That's what using a cellphone does to me. > > I don't think I'd want to live in a house that has those > kinds of fields non-stop. > > Marc > |
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That's the type of response I get with cellular/microwave radiation,
too. Trifield meters aren't built to detect signals of the strength cell towers or phones emit. Also check to see if a house is in line with a directional (long-distance) mwave xmitter (the type that usually looks like a drum with its head facing parallel to the ground.) The fields are more tightly confined so are more easily avoided, but when you enter them... Beau --- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <canary65@t...> wrote: > > I thought the same thing Marc...radio frequencies. I've heard that the > Trifield is not very good at all at measuring/detecting microwave > frequencies. But i presumed that you would have chosen a house miles > from any masts (and as it is stand alone, hopefully it should be free > from neighbour's dects and wifi). I'd say a very sensitive meter for > detecting microwave frequencies is pretty essential. Could you get a > mobile signal at the house? > > On the subject of symptoms. I've just been staying in a valley in > Wales, no electricity, no mobiles or masts for miles and still picked > up on a very heavy, heady energy. I think it was just a really strong > field of some sort coming from the land. Others thought it might be > something more sinister! (eg, military, satellites, etc..) There seems > to be no end to it! However, despite the feeling of heaviness in my > head, a number of my symptoms and sensitivites DID improve while i was > there even for a few days only. > > --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote: > > > > > However, he observed that the new house > > > DID contain a bit of the more acute, piercing type of field that > > > creates pressure on his temples and gives him a strong > > > headache > > > > That's what using a cellphone does to me. > > > > I don't think I'd want to live in a house that has those > > kinds of fields non-stop. > > > > Marc > > > |
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Thank you Marc, canaryuk, and Beau, for your input. We passed
on the Headache House today, in part due to your feedback. Clearly we need to be better equipped (meter wise) and better educated before we commit to a move. I'll admit to you that I don't even know what I'm looking for, with regard to nearby cell towers or masts or anything else; seems that electrical poles and cables are everywhere we go and to my untrained eye they all look very similar. A simple photographic cheat sheet for ES folks, now, would be great! "Things you don't want to live near, what they may look like, and how far away you want to be from them..." Anyone know of such a thing? Also, is there anything like a consensus here about which meter is best for cellular/microwave radiation? I know there's lots of ongoing discussion that I haven't been able to follow, sorry. Limited computer time for me, these days. ~ Cara --- In [hidden email], "bbin37" <netfarer2@y...> wrote: > > That's the type of response I get with cellular/microwave radiation, > too. Trifield meters aren't built to detect signals of the strength > cell towers or phones emit. Also check to see if a house is in line > with a directional (long-distance) mwave xmitter (the type that > usually looks like a drum with its head facing parallel to the > ground.) The fields are more tightly confined so are more easily > avoided, but when you enter them... > > Beau > > --- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <canary65@t...> wrote: > > > > I thought the same thing Marc...radio frequencies. I've heard that the > > Trifield is not very good at all at measuring/detecting microwave > > frequencies. But i presumed that you would have chosen a house miles > > from any masts (and as it is stand alone, hopefully it should be free > > from neighbour's dects and wifi). I'd say a very sensitive meter for > > detecting microwave frequencies is pretty essential. Could you get a > > mobile signal at the house? > > > > On the subject of symptoms. I've just been staying in a valley in > > Wales, no electricity, no mobiles or masts for miles and still picked > > up on a very heavy, heady energy. I think it was just a really strong > > field of some sort coming from the land. Others thought it might be > > something more sinister! (eg, military, satellites, etc..) There seems > > to be no end to it! However, despite the feeling of heaviness in my > > head, a number of my symptoms and sensitivites DID improve while i was > > there even for a few days only. > > > > --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote: > > > > > > > However, he observed that the new house > > > > DID contain a bit of the more acute, piercing type of field that > > > > creates pressure on his temples and gives him a strong > > > > headache > > > > > > That's what using a cellphone does to me. > > > > > > I don't think I'd want to live in a house that has those > > > kinds of fields non-stop. > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > |
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Hello Cara,
for measuring phone masts, I would recommend at the moment the HF35C from Gigahertz Solutions. It gives a readaout on a LCD display in uW/m2. It has a tone analysis, so you can hear what kind of signals are present. It has a logarithmic periodic antenna, which can pinpoint the direction of the signals. Regarding low frequencies, any meter that can measure magnetic DC fields is ok. A 3D Tesla or Gauss meter is preferable, but not neccessary. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 20:16 Subject: [eSens] Re: Different types of fields/frequences create different symptoms? > Thank you Marc, canaryuk, and Beau, for your input. We passed > on the Headache House today, in part due to your feedback. > Clearly we need to be better equipped (meter wise) and better > educated before we commit to a move. I'll admit to you that I don't > even know what I'm looking for, with regard to nearby cell towers > or masts or anything else; seems that electrical poles and > cables are everywhere we go and to my untrained eye they all > look very similar. A simple photographic cheat sheet for ES > folks, now, would be great! "Things you don't want to live near, > what they may look like, and how far away you want to be from > them..." Anyone know of such a thing? > > Also, is there anything like a consensus here about which meter > is best for cellular/microwave radiation? I know there's lots of > ongoing discussion that I haven't been able to follow, sorry. > Limited computer time for me, these days. > > ~ Cara > > --- In [hidden email], "bbin37" <netfarer2@y...> > wrote: > > > > That's the type of response I get with cellular/microwave > radiation, > > too. Trifield meters aren't built to detect signals of the strength > > cell towers or phones emit. Also check to see if a house is in > line > > with a directional (long-distance) mwave xmitter (the type that > > usually looks like a drum with its head facing parallel to the > > ground.) The fields are more tightly confined so are more > easily > > avoided, but when you enter them... > > > > Beau > > > > --- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <canary65@t...> > wrote: > > > > > > I thought the same thing Marc...radio frequencies. I've heard > that the > > > Trifield is not very good at all at measuring/detecting > microwave > > > frequencies. But i presumed that you would have chosen a > house miles > > > from any masts (and as it is stand alone, hopefully it should > be free > > > from neighbour's dects and wifi). I'd say a very sensitive > meter for > > > detecting microwave frequencies is pretty essential. Could > you get a > > > mobile signal at the house? > > > > > > On the subject of symptoms. I've just been staying in a valley > in > > > Wales, no electricity, no mobiles or masts for miles and still > picked > > > up on a very heavy, heady energy. I think it was just a really > strong > > > field of some sort coming from the land. Others thought it > might be > > > something more sinister! (eg, military, satellites, etc..) There > seems > > > to be no end to it! However, despite the feeling of heaviness > in my > > > head, a number of my symptoms and sensitivites DID > improve while i was > > > there even for a few days only. > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > However, he observed that the new house > > > > > DID contain a bit of the more acute, piercing type of field > that > > > > > creates pressure on his temples and gives him a strong > > > > > headache > > > > > > > > That's what using a cellphone does to me. > > > > > > > > I don't think I'd want to live in a house that has those > > > > kinds of fields non-stop. > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > |
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In reply to this post by carazzz
Hi Cara, re: meters
its difficult to know what to suggest as I too am trying to find a new/additional meter to my Acom (aka the Electrosmog Dtctr - that's its new, re-marketed name), and i think its gonna take me quite some time to research the recommendations from Charles and lessemf, but that is what i will have to do. Yawn. It depends how much money you've got to throw around! (i have hardly any), and how desperate you are. I know that when i'm in a place thats causing me pain I want immediate solutions, like within 24 hours! If you want something quickly that is dead simple to use and will help you get to a safer place, then the Acom is worth considering while you check out other meters. (afterall, its about the price of one night in a hotel!) But you may well find that your husband's sensitivities to RF radiation go beyond that which is picked up on by the Acom, in which case you'll have to get out your credit card again! But i am biased, the Acom is the only meter i know. The other meters that have been recommended may well be incredibly simmple to use and more effective. Not much help, but at least you know you're not alone in your confusion! x --- In [hidden email], "Cara" <cara_evangelista@h...> wrote: > > Thank you Marc, canaryuk, and Beau, for your input. We passed > on the Headache House today, in part due to your feedback. > Clearly we need to be better equipped (meter wise) and better > educated before we commit to a move. I'll admit to you that I don't > even know what I'm looking for, with regard to nearby cell towers > or masts or anything else; seems that electrical poles and > cables are everywhere we go and to my untrained eye they all > look very similar. A simple photographic cheat sheet for ES > folks, now, would be great! "Things you don't want to live near, > what they may look like, and how far away you want to be from > them..." Anyone know of such a thing? > > Also, is there anything like a consensus here about which meter > is best for cellular/microwave radiation? I know there's lots of > ongoing discussion that I haven't been able to follow, sorry. > Limited computer time for me, these days. > > ~ Cara > > --- In [hidden email], "bbin37" <netfarer2@y...> > wrote: > > > > That's the type of response I get with cellular/microwave > radiation, > > too. Trifield meters aren't built to detect signals of the > > cell towers or phones emit. Also check to see if a house is in > line > > with a directional (long-distance) mwave xmitter (the type that > > usually looks like a drum with its head facing parallel to the > > ground.) The fields are more tightly confined so are more > easily > > avoided, but when you enter them... > > > > Beau > > > > --- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <canary65@t...> > wrote: > > > > > > I thought the same thing Marc...radio frequencies. I've heard > that the > > > Trifield is not very good at all at measuring/detecting > microwave > > > frequencies. But i presumed that you would have chosen a > house miles > > > from any masts (and as it is stand alone, hopefully it should > be free > > > from neighbour's dects and wifi). I'd say a very sensitive > meter for > > > detecting microwave frequencies is pretty essential. Could > you get a > > > mobile signal at the house? > > > > > > On the subject of symptoms. I've just been staying in a valley > in > > > Wales, no electricity, no mobiles or masts for miles and still > picked > > > up on a very heavy, heady energy. I think it was just a really > strong > > > field of some sort coming from the land. Others thought it > might be > > > something more sinister! (eg, military, satellites, etc..) > seems > > > to be no end to it! However, despite the feeling of heaviness > in my > > > head, a number of my symptoms and sensitivites DID > improve while i was > > > there even for a few days only. > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > However, he observed that the new house > > > > > DID contain a bit of the more acute, piercing type of field > that > > > > > creates pressure on his temples and gives him a strong > > > > > headache > > > > > > > > That's what using a cellphone does to me. > > > > > > > > I don't think I'd want to live in a house that has those > > > > kinds of fields non-stop. > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > |
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