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WHAT TYPE OF DOCTOR DO I SEEK OUT TO GET MOVING ON EMF AND
HYPERSENSITIVITY?
A NEUROLOGIST, AN ENVIRONMENTAL MD -----who? IRENE

> WHAT TYPE OF DOCTOR DO I SEEK OUT TO GET MOVING ON EMF AND
> HYPERSENSITIVITY?
> A NEUROLOGIST, AN ENVIRONMENTAL MD -----who? IRENE

I think it would be a very rare medical doctor that could
help you with ES. Such a doctor probably would be helping
folks with chronic fatigue syndrome and environmental illness.
You may find a higher percentage of folks who could help in
the alternative medical field, if you can find such folks
in your area. People who focus on the above things, plus
nutrition and detoxification.

After going to over a dozen health practitioners, the most
helpful people I found for myself weren't even doctors at
all (e.g. the last person I saw was a "nutritionist").

Although, I suppose that nobody has helped me more then *me*,
as it seems that most of my major breakthroughs have been due
to my own research and my own trial & error.

Marc

A neurologist once told me to see a behavioral therapist. Fortunately
or unfortunately, I had been for years. He then became quite interested
in my condition after I told him more about where I have problems. He
told me about his parents that have all kinds of health issues and live
next to a power station. He offered an MRI and I declined because I
didn't want to be in a 1000 Tesla field.

I have gotten some support and validation from an environmental PhD
doctor locally as well as from a Kinesiologist. I have been putting
together info from Homeopaths, nutritionists, and have done a lot of
self medicating and experimentation.
If you find a doctor that is an expert at healing electrosensitives,
let me know!

There is an Environmental Health Center in Dallas
http://www.ehcd.com/
I don't know much about them and just sent them an email.
Andrew


On Feb 25, 2006, at 12:14 PM, iedbunnie wrote:

Most doctors I know will not be able to help. They are not aware of the research in the field and have no tools as yet. I wish they did. One day they will.

Maybe I shouldn't call myself a doctor. but that is where I started. I've been through a lot since those days. I graduated in 1947 And i passed beyond the 'doctor' stage in the late 60's. For example I was using the conductive carbon paints you are discussing now, many years ago when I was working withthe problem of how to heat up the surface of plastics for an invention I working with.
I have 3 patents.None of them in the field of eSens.
But in the last 4 years I have been working with a man who has a different approach to dealing with EMF radiation.
He is an inventor engineer healer.
His approach is to increase the bodies capacity to deal with the high EMF radiation that is around us using digitized homeopathic remedies.
If you are interested let me know.
I am not sure his inventions will be helpfull when you have become an EMF sensative person... one who gets very sick from radiation.
But it is helpful to people who get headaches, anxiety and loss of energy from working with computers as a part of their daily routine.

I have been collecting the research done in this area but its scattered. For example, now a Swedish researcher has been demonstrated that EMF radiations do cause skin changes.

It might interest you that the former director of the WHO Gro Haarlam Bruntland is esensitive. She tried to introduce a 'cautionary principle' that would caution parents against allowing children to use mobile phones, but when she retired not long after, WHO reversed their position and did not set any limits or advisories about this.
.
But I understand that when you are esensative you want to reduce the symptoms not just get explanations etc

I have found that to really invent something new or introduce an invention you need to feel the problem fully. Thatis one reason I am glad to be in this group. Another is that I feel children especially need protection so they do not become esensitive, and the third is I wish I could find a way to more completely protect myself from the many many sources of EMF radiation. I think I would feel quite different if that were possible. I know when I visit places without electricity I feel much more alive. I wonder if there are not a lot of peopke who would feel as I do if they did not take the EMF surround as a given


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Hi Irene and Warren,

Andrew's suggestion of contacting the Environmental Health Center -
Dallas is a good idea. William J. Rea, MD heads up the clinic and is
an expert in helping people with environmental illnesses like
electrical and chemical sensitivity. Dr. Rea has ES himself, has led
published research into ES.

Dr. Rea is also a founding member of the American Academy of
Environmental Medicine (AAEM) which trains physicians interested in
this medical specialty.

If you can't easily get to Texas, I suggest you go to the American
Academy of Environmental Medicine web site and use its Referable
Physicians database form at:

http://www.aaem.com/Referable_Physicians.htm

[One tip while using this database -- if you're searching for doctors
outside the US, set the State field to "Any State". Conversely, set
the Nation field to "Any Nation" while searching inside the US. These
are the default settings that need to be reset if you switch from one
type of search to another.]

The AAEM lists physicians with this training from all over the world.
Dr. Rea is well known to these physicians.

I've been assisted by one in Oregon, Joseph T. Morgan, MD, who
operates at the Bay Clinic in Coos Bay. Dr. Morgan *also* has ES, is
an AAEM fellow, and has worked with Dr. Rea for many years.

If you live in Britain, I would suggest Breakspear Hospital. Dr. Jean
A. Monro, another AAEM fellow, is active there. Another member of
eSens, Ian Kemp (hyperman_42), could tell you more about this hospital
since he and his wife have used its services.

Yoshiaki Omura, MD, a Japanese physician and researcher into EM field
sensitivity and injury mechanisms, has had success in treating
patients with ES. Dr. Omura is Director of Medical Research, Heart
Disease Research Foundation, New York; President Int'l College of
Acupuncture & Electrotherapeutics, New York; Adjunct Prof., Dept. of
Community & Preventive Medicine, New York Medical College; and Prof.,
Dept. of Non-Orthodox Medicine, Ukrainian National Kiev Medical
University.

Dr. Omura's contact info is: 800 Riverside Drive, Suite 8-I, New York,
NY 10032 Tel: (212)781-6262; Fax: (212)923-2279

Another doctor in the US who knows ES is real and has treated patients
for it in California is Dr. Gunnar Heuser, NeuroMed and NeuroTox
Associates Medical Group; Assistant Clinical Professor of Medicine at
U.C.L.A. School of Medicine. E-mail: [hidden email] His mailing
address as of 1998: 17366 Sunset Boulevard #101B, Pacific Palisades,
CA 90272.

One of the approaches Dr. Rea uses is the water-imprint technique
(developed along with Cyril W. Smith, PhD, a professor emeritus in
electrical engineering from the University of Salford, UK who
presently researches the mechanisms of homeopathy and energy signature
transfer in liquids). The technique is straightforward imprinting of
water with an EM field frequency that tests beneficial for you. It is
made exactly the same way you'd create a low potency homeopathic
remedy. I've found the technique helpful but not curative.

Beau

--- In [hidden email], "iedbunnie" <iedbunnie@...> wrote:
>
> WHAT TYPE OF DOCTOR DO I SEEK OUT TO GET MOVING ON EMF AND
> HYPERSENSITIVITY?
> A NEUROLOGIST, AN ENVIRONMENTAL MD -----who? IRENE
>

Hi Warren, I'd be very interested to read the research you've
collected over the years. If you could post some to the eSens Files
area that'd be great. I'd also recommend looking through the files
already in the archive.

For some research you might not have come across before, here is a
list of sites:

www.emfinterface.com
[Hosted by Jim Beal, ex-NASA research engineer and member of the U.S.
Science Advisory Committee in Virginia.]

www.microwavenews.com [Louis Slesin, editor]

www.emfacts.com [Hosted by Don Maisch]

www.bioelectromagnetics.org
[The Bioelectromagnetics Society (BEMS) was established in 1978 as an
independent organization of biological and physical scientists,
physicians and engineers interested in the interactions of
non-ionizing radiation with biological systems.]

www.milieuziektes.nl [Charles Claessen's site]
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina100.html [English version]

home.comcast.net/~es_info

www.cognizantcommunication.com/filecabinet/Acupuncture/acu.htm
[Acupuncture & Electro-Therapeutics Research, The International Journal]

bdort.net/en/index.htm
[International Bi-Digital O-Ring Test Medical Society]

taylorandfrancis.metapress.com/link.asp?id=105519
[Journal of Electromagnetic Biology and Medicine]

Welcome aboard!
Beau

--- In [hidden email], warren brodey <to.bclear@...> wrote:
>
> Most doctors I know will not be able to help. They are not aware of
the research in the field and have no tools as yet. I wish they did.
One day they will.
>    
> Maybe I shouldn't call myself a doctor. but that is where I
started. I've been through a lot since those days. I graduated in 1947
And i passed beyond the 'doctor' stage in the late 60's. For example I
was using the conductive carbon paints you are discussing now, many
years ago when I was working withthe problem of how to heat up the
surface of plastics for an invention I working with.
> I have 3 patents.None of them in the field of eSens.
> But in the last 4 years I have been working with a man who has a
different approach to dealing with EMF radiation.
> He is an inventor engineer healer.
> His approach is to increase the bodies capacity to deal with the
high EMF radiation that is around us using digitized homeopathic
remedies.
> If you are interested let me know.
> I am not sure his inventions will be helpfull when you have become
an EMF sensative person... one who gets very sick from radiation.
> But it is helpful to people who get headaches, anxiety and loss of
energy from working with computers as a part of their daily routine.
>    
> I have been collecting the research done in this area but its
scattered. For example, now a Swedish researcher has been demonstrated
that EMF radiations do cause skin changes.
>    
> It might interest you that the former director of the WHO Gro
Haarlam Bruntland is esensitive. She tried to introduce a 'cautionary
principle' that would caution parents against allowing children to use
mobile phones, but when she retired not long after, WHO reversed their
position and did not set any limits or advisories about this.
> .
> But I understand that when you are esensative you want to reduce
the symptoms not just get explanations etc
>    
> I have found that to really invent something new or introduce an
invention you need to feel the problem fully. Thatis one reason I am
glad to be in this group. Another is that I feel children especially
need protection so they do not become esensitive, and the third is I
wish I could find a way to more completely protect myself from the
many many sources of EMF radiation. I think I would feel quite
different if that were possible. I know when I visit places without
electricity I feel much more alive. I wonder if there are not a lot of
peopke who would feel as I do if they did not take the EMF surround
as a given wellness program Health promotion and wellness Health and
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Thanks Beau for this very interesting list of sites. I was quite surprised
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to allow a journal dedicated to "electromagnetic biology" - good news
really.

Ian

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bbin37
Sent: 02 March 2006 18:33
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: DOCTORS


Hi Warren, I'd be very interested to read the research you've
collected over the years. If you could post some to the eSens Files
area that'd be great. I'd also recommend looking through the files
already in the archive.

For some research you might not have come across before, here is a
list of sites:

www.emfinterface.com
[Hosted by Jim Beal, ex-NASA research engineer and member of the U.S.
Science Advisory Committee in Virginia.]

www.microwavenews.com [Louis Slesin, editor]

www.emfacts.com [Hosted by Don Maisch]

www.bioelectromagnetics.org
[The Bioelectromagnetics Society (BEMS) was established in 1978 as an
independent organization of biological and physical scientists,
physicians and engineers interested in the interactions of
non-ionizing radiation with biological systems.]

www.milieuziektes.nl [Charles Claessen's site]
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina100.html [English version]

home.comcast.net/~es_info

www.cognizantcommunication.com/filecabinet/Acupuncture/acu.htm
[Acupuncture & Electro-Therapeutics Research, The International Journal]

bdort.net/en/index.htm
[International Bi-Digital O-Ring Test Medical Society]

taylorandfrancis.metapress.com/link.asp?id=105519
[Journal of Electromagnetic Biology and Medicine]

Welcome aboard!
Beau

--- In [hidden email], warren brodey <to.bclear@...> wrote:
>
> Most doctors I know will not be able to help. They are not aware of
the research in the field and have no tools as yet. I wish they did.
One day they will.
>
> Maybe I shouldn't call myself a doctor. but that is where I
started. I've been through a lot since those days. I graduated in 1947
And i passed beyond the 'doctor' stage in the late 60's. For example I
was using the conductive carbon paints you are discussing now, many
years ago when I was working withthe problem of how to heat up the
surface of plastics for an invention I working with.
> I have 3 patents.None of them in the field of eSens.
> But in the last 4 years I have been working with a man who has a
different approach to dealing with EMF radiation.
> He is an inventor engineer healer.
> His approach is to increase the bodies capacity to deal with the
high EMF radiation that is around us using digitized homeopathic
remedies.
> If you are interested let me know.
> I am not sure his inventions will be helpfull when you have become
an EMF sensative person... one who gets very sick from radiation.
> But it is helpful to people who get headaches, anxiety and loss of
energy from working with computers as a part of their daily routine.
>
> I have been collecting the research done in this area but its
scattered. For example, now a Swedish researcher has been demonstrated
that EMF radiations do cause skin changes.
>
> It might interest you that the former director of the WHO Gro
Haarlam Bruntland is esensitive. She tried to introduce a 'cautionary
principle' that would caution parents against allowing children to use
mobile phones, but when she retired not long after, WHO reversed their
position and did not set any limits or advisories about this.
> .
> But I understand that when you are esensative you want to reduce
the symptoms not just get explanations etc
>
> I have found that to really invent something new or introduce an
invention you need to feel the problem fully. Thatis one reason I am
glad to be in this group. Another is that I feel children especially
need protection so they do not become esensitive, and the third is I
wish I could find a way to more completely protect myself from the
many many sources of EMF radiation. I think I would feel quite
different if that were possible. I know when I visit places without
electricity I feel much more alive. I wonder if there are not a lot of
peopke who would feel as I do if they did not take the EMF surround
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Hello,

digitized homeopathic remedies is not new.

They can be applied in the form of bioresonance to the body directly.

With the QXCI machine, one can place a bottle of water on the apparatus, and
the needed homeopathic are transformed into the water.
It works.

I am doing some testing by placing certain frequencies into some pebble
stones.
(I am doing that with a Rife machine)

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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----- Original Message -----
From: "warren brodey" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 13:50
Subject: Re: [eSens] DOCTORS

I was happily surprised, too, when I found out about this publication
and the amount of research going on in this arena.

A chemist from the Oregon Health & Science University's Occupational
and Environmental Toxicology research center in Portland informed me
about it after I wrote a general letter of inquiry on ES a few years
ago. He sent me a microfiche photocopy of Dr. Rea's, et al, research
paper Electromagnetic Field Sensitivity. This journal has been around
in under the various names below since 1982!

Journal of Bioelectricity (continued as Electro- and Magnetobiology)
Published from 1982 to 1991

Electro- and Magnetobiology (continued as Electromagnetic Biology and
Medicine)
Published from 1992 to 2000?

Electromagnetic Biology and Medicine
Published from 2000? to present

Beau

--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
> I was quite surprised to find that there is actually enough
> scientific/medical research going on to allow a journal dedicated
> to "electromagnetic biology" - good news really.
>  
> Ian
>

We too had no luck with a neurologist - the standard view in their field is
evidently that it is all psychological. This is a great pity, because they
might be able to help if they could be convinced the physical symptoms are
there and worth taking seriously. To us a highly plausible explanation of
severe ES is breakdown of the myelin sheaths round the nerves, like
stripping a wire of its insulation so that it picks up influences all the
way along instead of just at the ends. Sue had a myelin antibodies test
which showed high IgG levels, which could fit with this idea.

Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Andrew McAfee
Sent: 01 March 2006 15:54
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] DOCTORS


A neurologist once told me to see a behavioral therapist. Fortunately
or unfortunately, I had been for years. He then became quite interested
in my condition after I told him more about where I have problems. He
told me about his parents that have all kinds of health issues and live
next to a power station. He offered an MRI and I declined because I
didn't want to be in a 1000 Tesla field.

I have gotten some support and validation from an environmental PhD
doctor locally as well as from a Kinesiologist. I have been putting
together info from Homeopaths, nutritionists, and have done a lot of
self medicating and experimentation.
If you find a doctor that is an expert at healing electrosensitives,
let me know!

There is an Environmental Health Center in Dallas
http://www.ehcd.com/
I don't know much about them and just sent them an email.
Andrew


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Well, the one time I got to see a neurologist, for disability, he
didn't even know how toxic malathion is. Brought him in an article
about it to read. Hope he did, and it got him thinking. Only time I
got to see him.  

I think a good endocrinologist could have been a huge help too, if
ever I got to see one.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> We too had no luck with a neurologist - the standard view in their
field is
> evidently that it is all psychological. This is a great pity,
because they
> might be able to help if they could be convinced the physical
symptoms are
> there and worth taking seriously. To us a highly plausible
explanation of
> severe ES is breakdown of the myelin sheaths round the nerves, like
> stripping a wire of its insulation so that it picks up influences
all the
> way along instead of just at the ends. Sue had a myelin antibodies
test
> which showed high IgG levels, which could fit with this idea.
>  
> Ian
>
> _____  

Hi, Snoshoe,

My endocrinologists were all complete morons! I know what you mean. I have spent the entire day answering emails from people asking how I cured my adrenal and lymphatic dysfunction, orthostatic hypotension, etc.... Obviously ALOT of people can't find good endocrinologists. What a pity that sometimes we seem to know more than the medical school trained docs do!

The price of admission, ;)
Diane


snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote:
Well, the one time I got to see a neurologist, for disability, he
didn't even know how toxic malathion is. Brought him in an article
about it to read. Hope he did, and it got him thinking. Only time I
got to see him.

I think a good endocrinologist could have been a huge help too, if
ever I got to see one.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> We too had no luck with a neurologist - the standard view in their
field is
> evidently that it is all psychological. This is a great pity,
because they
> might be able to help if they could be convinced the physical
symptoms are
> there and worth taking seriously. To us a highly plausible
explanation of
> severe ES is breakdown of the myelin sheaths round the nerves, like
> stripping a wire of its insulation so that it picks up influences
all the
> way along instead of just at the ends. Sue had a myelin antibodies
test
> which showed high IgG levels, which could fit with this idea.
>
> Ian
>
> _____






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I agree with Marc, same with *me*!

Flavio

--- In [hidden email], "flavio_novelo" <flavio_novelo@...> wrote:
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> I saw a Dr David Dowson for a Medico Legal report who stated in
writing that he considered I was ES. He operates out of Harley Street
London and Bath or somewhere. He is an complimentary medicine Dr who
has great knowledge re ME...

If you want more info I can get this for you. Although Google should
find him.


Paul

It occurs to me though that you are in the states or somewhere so this
post is probably as good as chocolate fireguard.

any good ES doctors on the east coast USA?

Look up Amy Yasko.


> On 10/19/2013 5:02:08 PM, peachpie9 [via ES] ([hidden email]) wrote:
> > any good ES doctors on the east coast USA?
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