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Re: Current Circumstances, Sun sensitivity, IV chelation, NAET desensitization

shivaram aluri
apply coconut oil on head..
I also facecd same prob.. take MRI scan of head..
consult once ... nuro physician..
In my case ... celeberel atrophy is diffuseing
right side lunar impact are present...
this devleloped using the cell phone 10 days
motortola cell... worest...
if u r using cellphone... stop using some time..
best of luck
I am taking
triptomer 10 mg 0 -0
rivotil .5-.5
I am felling better...
suggested by nuro- phy.


--- john <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Shivaram,
> Thanks for your reply. I hadn't considered a
> leather jacket as protection as protection. I'll try
> it. Right now the most troubling aspect is the
> affect on the brain which causes brain fog,
> emotional swings, etc.
>
> John M.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: shivaram aluri
> To: [hidden email] ; [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 6:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Current Circumstances, Sun
> sensitivity, IV chelation, NAET desensitization
>
>
> Dear friend,
>
> I too suffering with same problem from fast one
> year.
> take B12 injection/ tablet 500mcg for a week.
> stop using cell phone...
> take two apples for day.
> take magnesium phos 6x homeo of fivefhoho
> i have lot research...
> wear... leather jacket .. sitting front computer
> do masage two time olive oil .. take bath two
> times..
> 80% reduced.. 20%is present..
> in body any area swelling isthere taht will become
> esenstivity... check with .. ice were is ..
> numbness
> take necessary treatment (pshyotherephy)...
> better contact once with nuro phisican.
> You feel better whebn u take meal..
> dont put empty stomach... take snacks around 4:30
> pm
> you feel better.
>
>
>
> --- Daniele <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > John,
> > Did you have your amalgam removed?
> >
> > Daniele
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "john" <[hidden email]>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 2:11 AM
> > Subject: [eSens] Current Circumstances, Sun
> > sensitivity, IV chelation, NAET
> > desensitization
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > My Current Condition
> > >
> > > I'm currently to the point where I'm totally
> > boxed in. I own a farm. I
> > live next to an interstate highway with 2
> cellular
> > towers within about 1/2
> > mile of my house. I feel physically sick when
> I'm
> > outside during the day
> > except if I go to an area down below a steep
> hill
> > apparently below the
> > reception level of the towers. I can also go to
> > other areas where cellular
> > reception is minimal & feel OK.
> > >
> > > Sun Sensitivity
> > >
> > > I feel sick when I'm in my house also
> > particularly during the daytime.
> > I've noticed that I experience a period of
> extreme
> > sensitivity, (aching all
> > over, anxious) just before the sun goes below
> the
> > horizon. After the sun
> > goes down, I suddenly feel much better. I've
> read
> > that many people with
> > electrical sensitivity are actually sensitive to
> the
> > sun also. I think I'm
> > one of them.
> > >
> > > IV Chelation
> > >
> > > I'm currenlty taking IV chelation therapy(
> I've
> > had 12 & was told I'd
> > need 30) to get the lead, nickel, & bismuth out
> of
> > me. So far my electrical
> > sensitivity hasn't improved. I just got retested
> for
> > metal levels & will
> > hear the results next week. The doctor said she
> > expected that my lead &
> > nickel levels coming out might actually show
> higher
> > because my bismuth level
> > was initially so high (1200% of whats considered
> a
> > maximum acceptable
> > level).
> > >
> > > Liver Draining?
> > >
> > > I had a a CT scan that showed liver stones,
> > extensive fat infiltration,
> > with some scarring. The liver & spleen are where
> I
> > was told most of the
> > heavy metals are stored. When I expose myself to
> > strong electrical fields
> > such as a computer for a while, I can actually
> feel
> > a heat, burning in the
> > area of my liver and then a gurgling sensation
> of my
> > liver draining out
> > bile. Within several minutes of this, My feet
> feel
> > numb & hot & sometimes I
> > begin to feel faint & experience brain fogging.
> What
> > I guess is happening is
> > that the electrical field must somehow drive
> some of
> > these toxic substances
> > out of my liver into my small intestines where a
> > portion of it is reabsorbed
> > into my blood stream causing the burning in the
> feet
> > where it perhaps tends
> > to collect for a while.
> > >
> > > NAET
> > >
> > > I think I'm going to try being desensitized to
> > everything electrical using
> > the NAET technique (they've got their own
> website)
> > which uses acupuncture to
> > desensitize you to all kinds of things including
> > wireless electrical
> > frequencies, flourescent lights, alternating
> > current, & even the sun. I did
> > a couple of these a couple of years ago & they
> held
> > for a while then pooped
> > out. I figure the same thing will happen again
> if I
> > still have a lot of
> > metal in me, which is what I assume causes this
> > hellish condition.
> > >
> > > Questions:
> > >
> > > 1. Does anyone else feel sick just from
> cellular
> > towers a good distance
> > away?
> > >
> > > 2. Has anyone else noticed the same sun
> > sensitivity & relief when the sun
> > goes down?
> > >
> > > 3. Has anyone else been through a series of IV
> > chelations & seen any
> > improvement in electrical sensitivity symptoms?
> > >
> > > 4. Has anyone else noticed the phenomonon I
> > describe of feeling something
> > draining out of your liver area ( right side
> around
> > the bottom of the rib
> > cage) then feeling other symptoms shortly after
> when
> > exposed to EMR?
> > >
> > > 5. Has anyone else tried NAET for
> desensitization
> > to these things.
> > >
> > > John Mauersberger
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> > >
>
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Re: NAET and/or NMT

Marc Martin
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> Please bring me up to speed on what NAET and NMT stand for and what
> they do.

Never having this done myself, all I can tell you is that they are
both allergy elimination techniques. One is short for Nambudripad's
Allergy Elimination Technique, and the other is short for
NeuroModulation
Technique. A Google search should give more information, or perhaps
someone here who has had this done could explain.

Marc

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Re: Current Circumstances, Sun sensitivity, IV chelation, NAET desensitization

johnmauersberger
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Thank you Glenn,
I wouldn't mind talking to Dr. Hoffer if you could provide me with his number. If its done you so much good it's certainly worth researching to see whether I should give it a try. Thanks.

John M.


----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Coleman
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Current Circumstances, Sun sensitivity, IV chelation, NAET desensitization


John,

Dr. Andy Cutler is a health research scientist that suffered heavily from
mercury poisoning, and as a result dedicated his life to researching methods
of dealing with mercury poisoning. You can communicate with him directly
through his website or through yahoo groups "mercury-autism" (just plug "Dr.
Andrew Cutler" into search engine to get his site.

His frequent chelation method isn't for everyone, but he does have a vast
amount of information from 100's of people how are battling heavy metal
detox. I opted myself at the last minute not to use his frequent chelation
method, since I realized that the vitamin program he recommended would help
take care of my problem without doing any further chelation. Then I started
niacin therapy and I've done great since.

The point that Dr. Hoffer was making with niacin is that it helps weak
organs, rather than hindering. He recommends it for diabetics to help their
kidney's, but warns of watching insulin levels in case they fluctuate - a
safety measure. I could give you Dr. Hoffers phone number if you would like
to talk to him.

Regards,

Glenn


>From: "john" <[hidden email]>
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>To: <[hidden email]>
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>NAET desensitization
>Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:41:09 -0500
>
>Glenn,
> I envy your success so far. For me at this point, the chelations seem to
>have opened up a Pandora's box of corruption coming out of long term
>storage. It would be much easier to get through this if I knew how long it
>might take before things started to turn around. So far, it seems to be a
>bottomless pit of things coming out.
> I'd like to do a DMPS challange to see if mercury is also a problem. If
>that's being released along with everything else, it may not be getting
>carried out like it should using EDTA.
> Who is this Andy Cutler you mention. The doctor I go to for chelation
>does it almost exclusively for people with arteriosclorosis & other
>circulation problems & does a lot of IV vitamin C & Glutathione for cancer
>patients. I believe I may be the first she's been involved with that's
>doing it for heavy metals so this is a learning experience for her too &
>she seems very interested in seeing what the outcome will be. Still, a
>consultation with someone who is very experienced in this might at least be
>reassuring if they could explain to me what to expect & give me some
>reassurance that things would finially turn around. I live in Ohio by the
>way.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Glenn Coleman
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 2:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Current Circumstances, Sun sensitivity, IV
>chelation, NAET desensitization
>
>
>
> > > 2. Has anyone else noticed the same sun sensitivity & relief when
>the
> >sun
> > > goes down?
>
> I noticed when I was on psychotic medication, when they weren't aware of
>my
> mercury poisoning, that I couldn't handle very bright light, and it lead
>to
> headaches, dizziness, etc. I believe it was because my nervous system
>was
> so sensitive (due to mercury poisoning and medications on top), and
>light
> coming in through our eyes directly impacts our nervous system.
>
> > > 3. Has anyone else been through a series of IV chelations & seen any
> > > improvement in electrical sensitivity symptoms?
>
> I have done both DMSA oral and DMPS IV drip, and believe they both
> contributed to reduce my electrical sensitivity. I believe though that
>my
> electrical sensitivity may be the last thing that completely dissapears.
> Dr. Andy Cutler believes that doing only periodic DMPS or DMSA is like
> inviting torture. He has a protocol where if you want to do DMPS, use
>oral,
> and take smaller doses around the clock, to keep the mercury flowing so
>it
> doesn't stick to other parts of body. It is a much faster method, but
>has
> risk of bigger symptoms when stopping for a break. A "no pain no gain"
> method.
>
> I have improved by about 75%, using a whole suite of tools: big-time
> nutrition, EMF protection devices, sun glasses, bioenergy therapies
> (shiatsu, pranic healing). I'm estimating that I may have removed 40%
>of my
> total mercury. I consider this 40% much of the bulk, or loose stuff,
>and my
> condition seems to match that thought, in that I don't have big releases
>of
> mercury very often anymore (under controlled conditions).
>
> I believe I would drop back to about 35% if I stopped my vitamin/mineral
> supplements, and nutritional shakes. I learned allot from Dr. Andy
>Cutler,
> about the importance of having more than enough vitamins to give my body
> everything I can for natural healing, and it takes care of itself.
>
> When I first learning of how Marc used diet to counter his ES symptoms,
>it
> took about 4 months to get onto a diet that works for me. Dairy
>products
> were a huge contributor to increasing my nausea in front of computers -
>so
> I've completely stopped consuming dairy. I also completely cut out
>coffee,
> black tea, and sugar. I went from being a snack king eating everything,
>to
> the complete opposite - it was shocking that I could achieve such a
>dramatic
> change. I did some cleansing along the way, to loose my addition for
>food
> stimulants.
>
> My ultimate tool though for my symptoms is megadosing niacin. I eat it
> almost like candy, and get very quick relief of what is left over of my
> symptoms, so I can focus clearly and get many tasks done everyday.
>
> Regards,
>
> Glenn
>
>
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Re: NAET and/or NMT

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Hello,
I've done a few & can tell you a little about it. There are a lot of things they can test you for. Foods, inhalants, animals, minerals, different electrical frequencies. They have a standard set of things they test your sensitivity for in a prescribed order. They test your sensitivity by having you hold a small vial that had the electrical essence of a substance, say, calcium, or flourescent lights, or whatever.
According to my understanding every substance, plant, organism, even person has its own unique energy frequency. Somehow they're able to transfer these energy frequencies into the liquid in the vials. For me, if it's true & it apparently is, this is scary because say the military gets hold of this, just think what they could do to try & reproduce harmful things this way & use them against people.
Anyway, they have you hold a particular vial then use muscle testing or reflexology to see if it throws your body out of balance or not. If it throws you out of balance, you need to be desensitized to it.
I can tell you from my experience that sometimes when they had me hold something I was really sensitive to, I could actually feel a distinct vibration in my fingers as I held the little vial.
They desensitize by having you hold the particular vial you were just tested for then use either accupuncture, or an electrical device to normalize your body to the substance.
You then must completely avoid whatever the substance was that you were just treated for for 24 hours.
You are then retested the next visit to see if you've been normalized with the substance. If you have, then you move on to the next thing. If it didn't take, you do the same substance again & test again. It's about $60, maybe more now for one thing, so it can get pretty expensive & some things you've been neutralized for will later come back again.
Sometimes, when you are neutralized to a substance you'll have an unpleasant reaction, either physically and/or emotionally within the 24 hours after treatment. The reaction supposedly doesn't last more that 24 hours though.
As I said, I did several of them, and of the ones that held initially, most held permanently but several came back so I'd say that for the most part it was worth the money to me. The results vary by person though. Some people have miraculous results & some people feel like it was money down the toilet.
In any case it's an interesting experience that gives you some insight into a different approach to medicine that I think is already being used in different variations already.

John m.
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Martin
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Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] NAET and/or NMT


> Please bring me up to speed on what NAET and NMT stand for and what
> they do.

Never having this done myself, all I can tell you is that they are
both allergy elimination techniques. One is short for Nambudripad's
Allergy Elimination Technique, and the other is short for
NeuroModulation
Technique. A Google search should give more information, or perhaps
someone here who has had this done could explain.

Marc

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Re: Niacin

abailey63
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Glenn,
Thanks for the detailed info. I am familiar with Hoffers work. I
just never would have thought to apply it to ES. Have is he your
doctor? Have you talked to him?
I think I'm kind of in a weird situation in that I have both MCS
and ES. My MCS is far worse but the ES has kept my computer work to a
minimum and don't get me near a blender.
I guess I'm living proof that MCS and ES are related phenomena. I
also think that these to conditions are immune system, toxic load
related.

I'm currently looking for a doctor to treat me. The problem that I
have is there is such a disparity between naturopathic and allopathic
(Western) treatments. I think at this point I need a some of both.

Thanks, Alan

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liver detox and parasites

Andrew McAfee
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John,
I have enjoyed reading your testimonies and what you have been through.
When you did your liver flushes, were they also gall bladder stone
flushes? How many stones did you get out and what color? There are many
recipes for gall bladder flushes and I am wondering which one you chose
and what results you got.

On a related topic, I have been using Dr. Hulda Clark's book "A Cure
for All Diseases"
http://www.paradevices.com/healthbooks.html
and the Zapper
http://www.paradevices.com/index2z.html
http://shop.toolsforhealing.com/category_s/36.htm
to kill the parasites and viruses, etc. that go hand in hand with heavy
metals.
I have noticed a decrease in my fungus growth on my skin. I have a few
shady patches that are becoming less dark and more irregular. So the
Zapper is working on some level.
I highly recommend everyone reading more about the parasite, virus,
fungus relationship with toxins, metals, etc.

Andrew

On Dec 27, 2004, at 9:19 PM, john wrote:

>
> Hello,
> I did colonics too about 2 years ago. It relieved a lot of bowel
> problems for me including candida. I then did several liver flushes
> starting this spring after being laid up real bad with chronic
> fatigue.They really opened things up. That's the beginning of when the
> bad stuff really started to flow out. After about 1/2 dozen of those
> on a 3 week intervals is when I started the chelation. So my liver has
> opened up & at this point I never know what I'll feel like from one
> day to the next.
> Even so, I can't say I'm sorry I did it, I really had no choice. I'll
> also see it to the end until I get better or die because I have no
> choice.
> One unexpected benefit of the liver flushes is that all my
> allergies to inhalants, foods, chemicals magically disappeared. For
> years, I had multiple chemical sensitivities & very bad allergies ever
> since I was a baby & that's all gone now at least. I've also rid
> myself of all the infections, uncers from heliobacter pylori, prostate
> infections, chronic candida infections, & viral infections. Still,
> when one thing is gone something else always is there to come to the
> forefront. I hope that at least now I may have come to the thing that
> started it all probably when I was a little baby or even in the womb
> which is heavy metals. Like all the battles before this phase, you
> never know what the outcome will be. It's a constant battle of life &
> death. If I lose, at least I can say I fought every battle as bravely
> as anyone could have.
> Noone, except those of us who suffer from chronic fatigue, multiple
> chemical sensitivity, fibromyalgia, gulf war syndrome, electrical
> sensitivity & all the other variations of being chronically poisoned
> to the point of suffering so much for so long can appreciate what
> courage really is.
>
> John M.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: abailey63
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:57 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Current Circumstances, Sun sensitivity, IV
> chelation, NAET desensitization
>
>
>
>
> Glenn,
> You have been doing some great work on research and recovery. I
> have
> pretty severe MCS and EMS brought on by a pesticide exposure. I
> actually did some detox through physician directed colonics. Please
> don't everyone freak out on me. I get way negative reactions in
> general when I mention colonics in the MCS community. I'm not
> espousing this for treatment. I did get some positive results when
> nothing else worked. I'm just sharing my experience. And I have had a
> history of bowel problems from years of antibiotic use.
>
> I had a bad reaction to dmsa treatment after the sixth week but it
> greatly reduced my mecury and lead levels. Again only my experience.
> I
> was interested in finding out about your niacin regimen. What kinds
> and dosages are you using. Is it physician directed? Is it time
> release, no flush? Is it chelated? What brands are you using?
>
> Overall I've made enough of a recovery to work part time. But I have
> to be very careful. And my health and energy are way up and down. And
> I know that I am one exposure away from going downhill fast again.
>
> Thanks, Alan
>
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Re: Niacin

Glenn Coleman
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Hi Alan,

I was referred to Dr. Hoffer by my alternative medical doctor. For me,
since I am on long-term disability, I had to have a psychiatrist or loose my
disability. I had abandoned psychiatrists since they just wanted to fill me
with anti-anxiety or anti-depressants, which were like adding gasoline to
fire, when they mixed with mercury in my body.

Dr. Hoffer is the only psychiatrist I have ever heard of that treats illness
purely with nutrition (except for extreme cases where warranted). I didn't
know what to expect when I saw Dr. Hoffer, and all I can say is that there
must have been some greater power working for me to get the results I did.
I felt like I was on a different planet to have a psychiatrist recommend a
vitamin program to help me with depression, mercury symptoms, and thyroid
disfunction. Then for it to work like magic was something else.

Dr. Hoffer seems like a genius when it comes to vitamin therapy, given the
huge relief he provides for so many patients.

He definitely bridges the gap between naturopathic and allopathic (Western)
treatments, understanding and using both in his practice.

I only visited him once, for about an hour, to get onto the program I am
now, to get great results. I saw him a second time, where we just increased
my niacin dosage to deal with higher levels of stress in my life (to avoid
depression). So it was not like typical Psychiatrists where they want to
see me often.

I really hope that other doctors around the world take notice of Dr.
Hoffer's work. His work has been dismissed by many doctors since the
creation of modern psychotic drugs by big pharma took over in the 60's.
Right when Dr. Hoffer and his team had his major discoveries with niacin,
other breakthroughs in psychotic drugs took place, so his research was
dismissed in favour if these new drugs. The evidence speaks for itself as
to which methods are more favourable.

Glenn


>From: "abailey63" <[hidden email]>
>Reply-To: [hidden email]
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: [eSens] Re: Niacin
>Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 05:38:59 -0000
>
>
>
>Glenn,
> Thanks for the detailed info. I am familiar with Hoffers work. I
>just never would have thought to apply it to ES. Have is he your
>doctor? Have you talked to him?
> I think I'm kind of in a weird situation in that I have both MCS
>and ES. My MCS is far worse but the ES has kept my computer work to a
>minimum and don't get me near a blender.
> I guess I'm living proof that MCS and ES are related phenomena. I
>also think that these to conditions are immune system, toxic load
>related.
>
> I'm currently looking for a doctor to treat me. The problem that I
>have is there is such a disparity between naturopathic and allopathic
>(Western) treatments. I think at this point I need a some of both.
>
>Thanks, Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Niacin

abailey63


Yes you were lucky. Although there are a few other psych's that do
vitamin therapy. I know of one outside Boston. I forget is Dr. Hoffer
in CT or somewhere else.
I wish I were on disability. Right now I am eating into my
savings. My big issue is sleep. I go through periods usually when I'm
more toxic where I just can't sleep and it kills me. I've tried the
various herbal stuff but it doesn't do anything for me.
I went through the nightmare of traditional psych's and SSRI's.
Which I don't do well. I get migraines. Turns out I was being poisoned
with diazinon, which is why I wasn't sleeping. Unfortunately I found
out too late and was not able to prove it scientificly.

I'm going to add niacin and also possibly milk thistle which is a
powerful antioxident and see what happens. I have tested low for
tryptophan production but I can't take it because it gives me
headaches too. Seems like my serotonin pathways are screwy.

Here's a link on niacin from a Canadian group. Good basic intro to
types of niacin and risks.

www.catie.ca/pdf/supple-e/niacin_e.pdf

Thanks, Alan

--- In [hidden email], "Glenn Coleman" <glennhcoleman@h...> wrote:
> Hi Alan,
>
> I was referred to Dr. Hoffer by my alternative medical doctor. For me,
> since I am on long-term disability, I had to have a psychiatrist or
loose my
> disability. I had abandoned psychiatrists since they just wanted to
fill me
> with anti-anxiety or anti-depressants, which were like adding
gasoline to
> fire, when they mixed with mercury in my body.
>
> Dr. Hoffer is the only psychiatrist I have ever heard of that treats
illness
> purely with nutrition (except for extreme cases where warranted). I
didn't
> know what to expect when I saw Dr. Hoffer, and all I can say is that
there
> must have been some greater power working for me to get the results
I did.
> I felt like I was on a different planet to have a psychiatrist
recommend a
> vitamin program to help me with depression, mercury symptoms, and
thyroid
> disfunction. Then for it to work like magic was something else.
>
> Dr. Hoffer seems like a genius when it comes to vitamin therapy,
given the
> huge relief he provides for so many patients.
>
> He definitely bridges the gap between naturopathic and allopathic
(Western)
> treatments, understanding and using both in his practice.
>
> I only visited him once, for about an hour, to get onto the program
I am
> now, to get great results. I saw him a second time, where we just
increased
> my niacin dosage to deal with higher levels of stress in my life (to
avoid
> depression). So it was not like typical Psychiatrists where they
want to
> see me often.
>
> I really hope that other doctors around the world take notice of Dr.
> Hoffer's work. His work has been dismissed by many doctors since the
> creation of modern psychotic drugs by big pharma took over in the
60's.
> Right when Dr. Hoffer and his team had his major discoveries with
niacin,
> other breakthroughs in psychotic drugs took place, so his research was
> dismissed in favour if these new drugs. The evidence speaks for
itself as

> to which methods are more favourable.
>
> Glenn
>
>
> >From: "abailey63" <abailey63@y...>
> >Reply-To: [hidden email]
> >To: [hidden email]
> >Subject: [eSens] Re: Niacin
> >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 05:38:59 -0000
> >
> >
> >
> >Glenn,
> > Thanks for the detailed info. I am familiar with Hoffers work. I
> >just never would have thought to apply it to ES. Have is he your
> >doctor? Have you talked to him?
> > I think I'm kind of in a weird situation in that I have both MCS
> >and ES. My MCS is far worse but the ES has kept my computer work to a
> >minimum and don't get me near a blender.
> > I guess I'm living proof that MCS and ES are related phenomena. I
> >also think that these to conditions are immune system, toxic load
> >related.
> >
> > I'm currently looking for a doctor to treat me. The problem that I
> >have is there is such a disparity between naturopathic and allopathic
> >(Western) treatments. I think at this point I need a some of both.
> >
> >Thanks, Alan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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Re: Niacin

Glenn Coleman
Alan,

Thanks for the link on niacin...

Dr. Hoffer is in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada.

Have you been tested for heavy metals like mercury?

The Rea Clinic in Dallas Texas treats ES patients the same way as MCS
patients, so absolutely seems like a direct link between the two. I suspect
the link is heavy metals. I don't necessarily recommend this clinic since
it costs far too much (like most clinics that specialize in this field).

I had some sleep problems myself, and when I plugged in a Quantum Home power
conditioner my sleep problems dissapeared (www.quantumproducts.com).
Suddenly I slept better at night, but also required less sleep to have great
energy in the morning. The device reduces the EMF given off by power wires
and appliances in a home.

My theory as to why my sleep improved comes from Dr. Cherry in New Zealand,
who has scientific evidence that electro magnetic fields mess with our
bodies internal cleansing system melatonin, and our body doesn't get a
proper cleaning at night (so free radicals that our body normally cleans,
end up free to cause damage). My sleep pattern changed overnight the moment
I plugged in the Quantum Home.

Another tool I used to overcome the side effects of SSRI's is Immunocal
HMS-90 Cysteine system (www.viruscontrols.com). It provided great relief of
headaches and sinus pain, when I was on SSRI's and on the long journey
getting off. Bioenergy work like Shiatsu was also hugely benefitial to get
me grounded and feel much better for short periods of time. I finally
bought a Aqua Chi Machine, which helped to keep my bodies vital energies in
order. Then became a pranic healer so I could give myself energy treatments
without using electricity.

Regards,

Glenn

>From: "abailey63" <[hidden email]>
>Reply-To: [hidden email]
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: [eSens] Re: Niacin
>Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:58:19 -0000
>
>
>
>Yes you were lucky. Although there are a few other psych's that do
>vitamin therapy. I know of one outside Boston. I forget is Dr. Hoffer
>in CT or somewhere else.
> I wish I were on disability. Right now I am eating into my
>savings. My big issue is sleep. I go through periods usually when I'm
>more toxic where I just can't sleep and it kills me. I've tried the
>various herbal stuff but it doesn't do anything for me.
> I went through the nightmare of traditional psych's and SSRI's.
>Which I don't do well. I get migraines. Turns out I was being poisoned
>with diazinon, which is why I wasn't sleeping. Unfortunately I found
>out too late and was not able to prove it scientificly.
>
>I'm going to add niacin and also possibly milk thistle which is a
>powerful antioxident and see what happens. I have tested low for
>tryptophan production but I can't take it because it gives me
>headaches too. Seems like my serotonin pathways are screwy.
>
>Here's a link on niacin from a Canadian group. Good basic intro to
>types of niacin and risks.
>
>www.catie.ca/pdf/supple-e/niacin_e.pdf
>
>Thanks, Alan
>
>--- In [hidden email], "Glenn Coleman" <glennhcoleman@h...> wrote:
> > Hi Alan,
> >
> > I was referred to Dr. Hoffer by my alternative medical doctor. For me,
> > since I am on long-term disability, I had to have a psychiatrist or
>loose my
> > disability. I had abandoned psychiatrists since they just wanted to
>fill me
> > with anti-anxiety or anti-depressants, which were like adding
>gasoline to
> > fire, when they mixed with mercury in my body.
> >
> > Dr. Hoffer is the only psychiatrist I have ever heard of that treats
>illness
> > purely with nutrition (except for extreme cases where warranted). I
>didn't
> > know what to expect when I saw Dr. Hoffer, and all I can say is that
>there
> > must have been some greater power working for me to get the results
>I did.
> > I felt like I was on a different planet to have a psychiatrist
>recommend a
> > vitamin program to help me with depression, mercury symptoms, and
>thyroid
> > disfunction. Then for it to work like magic was something else.
> >
> > Dr. Hoffer seems like a genius when it comes to vitamin therapy,
>given the
> > huge relief he provides for so many patients.
> >
> > He definitely bridges the gap between naturopathic and allopathic
>(Western)
> > treatments, understanding and using both in his practice.
> >
> > I only visited him once, for about an hour, to get onto the program
>I am
> > now, to get great results. I saw him a second time, where we just
>increased
> > my niacin dosage to deal with higher levels of stress in my life (to
>avoid
> > depression). So it was not like typical Psychiatrists where they
>want to
> > see me often.
> >
> > I really hope that other doctors around the world take notice of Dr.
> > Hoffer's work. His work has been dismissed by many doctors since the
> > creation of modern psychotic drugs by big pharma took over in the
>60's.
> > Right when Dr. Hoffer and his team had his major discoveries with
>niacin,
> > other breakthroughs in psychotic drugs took place, so his research was
> > dismissed in favour if these new drugs. The evidence speaks for
>itself as
> > to which methods are more favourable.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> >
> > >From: "abailey63" <abailey63@y...>
> > >Reply-To: [hidden email]
> > >To: [hidden email]
> > >Subject: [eSens] Re: Niacin
> > >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 05:38:59 -0000
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Glenn,
> > > Thanks for the detailed info. I am familiar with Hoffers work. I
> > >just never would have thought to apply it to ES. Have is he your
> > >doctor? Have you talked to him?
> > > I think I'm kind of in a weird situation in that I have both MCS
> > >and ES. My MCS is far worse but the ES has kept my computer work to a
> > >minimum and don't get me near a blender.
> > > I guess I'm living proof that MCS and ES are related phenomena. I
> > >also think that these to conditions are immune system, toxic load
> > >related.
> > >
> > > I'm currently looking for a doctor to treat me. The problem that I
> > >have is there is such a disparity between naturopathic and allopathic
> > >(Western) treatments. I think at this point I need a some of both.
> > >
> > >Thanks, Alan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Quantum Products

Marc Martin
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> I had some sleep problems myself, and when I plugged in a Quantum Home power
> conditioner my sleep problems dissapeared (www.quantumproducts.com).
> Suddenly I slept better at night, but also required less sleep to have great
> energy in the morning. The device reduces the EMF given off by power wires
> and appliances in a home.

Well, I don't think it *reduces* the EMF, but rather makes it more tolerable
for people by reducing the noise.

As we saw that someone else had a nasty reaction to the Quantum Home, one
might do better trying one or two of their power strips instead. These
are also a lot cheaper.

Also, their website does not mention their smaller plug-in unit, the
"minimax". I've been taking this with me on trips lately, and plug
the laptop computer into it. This other website offers the minimax
for sale:

http://www.shareit.com/product.html?cart=1&productid=192127

Marc

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Re: liver detox and parasites

johnmauersberger
In reply to this post by Andrew McAfee
Andrew,
Hulda Clarks formula is basically what I've used. Nothing to eat after noon. One tablespoon of epsom salts in a glass of water at 6pm, 8pm, then a cup of fresh squeezed pulpless grapefruit juice mixed with one cup of olive oil at 10pm. Lie down on your back immediately with a pillow under your head & go to sleep. When you first wake up in the morning another glass of epsom salts, & a last one 2 hours later. Then crap out everything in you.
It's my understanding that gall stones are liver stones that have fallen down into the gall bladder. They're both produced in the liver I believe. The flushes take gall stones out at the same time. I've done, I think 6 now. The 1st didn't produce much but what they refer to as chaff & some small straw or light brown colored ones. The next 5 produced a tremendous number of stones, practically all dark green, many as big as a .45 caliber bullet. There were about a half dozen that were as big around as a quarter. No wonder I was so plugged up.
After each time I'd do one of these flushes, there was hell to pay though. When things were opened up by removal of these stones terrible things began coming out. I practically went nuts a couple of times & passed out once. Some people probably would have killed themselves. I'm serious, it was that bad sometimes but after a about a week I'd recover & after about 3 weeks later somehow muster the willpower to do another one. If I had it to do again, I'd do it simultaneously with the IV chelations. Because the last couple I've done have been right before a chelation & were much easier on me.

John M.
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew McAfee
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:03 AM
Subject: [eSens] liver detox and parasites


John,
I have enjoyed reading your testimonies and what you have been through.
When you did your liver flushes, were they also gall bladder stone
flushes? How many stones did you get out and what color? There are many
recipes for gall bladder flushes and I am wondering which one you chose
and what results you got.

On a related topic, I have been using Dr. Hulda Clark's book "A Cure
for All Diseases"
http://www.paradevices.com/healthbooks.html
and the Zapper
http://www.paradevices.com/index2z.html
http://shop.toolsforhealing.com/category_s/36.htm
to kill the parasites and viruses, etc. that go hand in hand with heavy
metals.
I have noticed a decrease in my fungus growth on my skin. I have a few
shady patches that are becoming less dark and more irregular. So the
Zapper is working on some level.
I highly recommend everyone reading more about the parasite, virus,
fungus relationship with toxins, metals, etc.

Andrew

On Dec 27, 2004, at 9:19 PM, john wrote:

>
> Hello,
> I did colonics too about 2 years ago. It relieved a lot of bowel
> problems for me including candida. I then did several liver flushes
> starting this spring after being laid up real bad with chronic
> fatigue.They really opened things up. That's the beginning of when the
> bad stuff really started to flow out. After about 1/2 dozen of those
> on a 3 week intervals is when I started the chelation. So my liver has
> opened up & at this point I never know what I'll feel like from one
> day to the next.
> Even so, I can't say I'm sorry I did it, I really had no choice. I'll
> also see it to the end until I get better or die because I have no
> choice.
> One unexpected benefit of the liver flushes is that all my
> allergies to inhalants, foods, chemicals magically disappeared. For
> years, I had multiple chemical sensitivities & very bad allergies ever
> since I was a baby & that's all gone now at least. I've also rid
> myself of all the infections, uncers from heliobacter pylori, prostate
> infections, chronic candida infections, & viral infections. Still,
> when one thing is gone something else always is there to come to the
> forefront. I hope that at least now I may have come to the thing that
> started it all probably when I was a little baby or even in the womb
> which is heavy metals. Like all the battles before this phase, you
> never know what the outcome will be. It's a constant battle of life &
> death. If I lose, at least I can say I fought every battle as bravely
> as anyone could have.
> Noone, except those of us who suffer from chronic fatigue, multiple
> chemical sensitivity, fibromyalgia, gulf war syndrome, electrical
> sensitivity & all the other variations of being chronically poisoned
> to the point of suffering so much for so long can appreciate what
> courage really is.
>
> John M.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: abailey63
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:57 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Current Circumstances, Sun sensitivity, IV
> chelation, NAET desensitization
>
>
>
>
> Glenn,
> You have been doing some great work on research and recovery. I
> have
> pretty severe MCS and EMS brought on by a pesticide exposure. I
> actually did some detox through physician directed colonics. Please
> don't everyone freak out on me. I get way negative reactions in
> general when I mention colonics in the MCS community. I'm not
> espousing this for treatment. I did get some positive results when
> nothing else worked. I'm just sharing my experience. And I have had a
> history of bowel problems from years of antibiotic use.
>
> I had a bad reaction to dmsa treatment after the sixth week but it
> greatly reduced my mecury and lead levels. Again only my experience.
> I
> was interested in finding out about your niacin regimen. What kinds
> and dosages are you using. Is it physician directed? Is it time
> release, no flush? Is it chelated? What brands are you using?
>
> Overall I've made enough of a recovery to work part time. But I have
> to be very careful. And my health and energy are way up and down. And
> I know that I am one exposure away from going downhill fast again.
>
> Thanks, Alan
>
>
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carazzz

Hi John,

I am reading your posts with particular interest. If you wouldn't
mind elaborating (off list, if you prefer) I am very curious about
what you mean by "terrible things" and the "hell to pay" aspect of
your detox. My husband and I have had some very bizarre experiences
in the last few months, related to his ES and scalar energy treatment
and -- believe it or not -- the possibility of parasites and how
these seem to be affected by the energy treatment... None of it has
made a lot of sense to us up to now.

I think your experience, if you choose to share more, might be a
hugely important piece of this puzzle. As well as helping to prepare
us for the consequences should we decide to move forward with the
detox, of course.

Thank you very much again.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], "john" <runicm@1...> wrote:
> After each time I'd do one of these flushes, there was hell to
pay though. When things were opened up by removal of these stones
terrible things began coming out. I practically went nuts a couple of
times & passed out once. Some people probably would have killed
themselves. I'm serious, it was that bad sometimes but after a about
a week I'd recover & after about 3 weeks later somehow muster the
willpower to do another one. If I had it to do again, I'd do it
simultaneously with the IV chelations. Because the last couple I've
done have been right before a chelation & were much easier on me.
>
> John M.

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Andrew McAfee
In reply to this post by johnmauersberger
Great work John. I am familiar with that recipe and have done a similar
one 3 times. I am glad that you are familiar with Hulda's information.
I look forward to hearing about your progress and recovery.
Andrew
On Dec 30, 2004, at 12:14 AM, john wrote:

>
> Andrew,
> Hulda Clarks formula is basically what I've used. Nothing to eat
> after noon. One tablespoon of epsom salts in a glass of water at 6pm,
> 8pm, then a cup of fresh squeezed pulpless grapefruit juice mixed with
> one cup of olive oil at 10pm. Lie down on your back immediately with a
> pillow under your head & go to sleep. When you first wake up in the
> morning another glass of epsom salts, & a last one 2 hours later. Then
> crap out everything in you.
> It's my understanding that gall stones are liver stones that have
> fallen down into the gall bladder. They're both produced in the liver
> I believe. The flushes take gall stones out at the same time. I've
> done, I think 6 now. The 1st didn't produce much but what they refer
> to as chaff & some small straw or light brown colored ones. The next 5
> produced a tremendous number of stones, practically all dark green,
> many as big as a .45 caliber bullet. There were about a half dozen
> that were as big around as a quarter. No wonder I was so plugged up.
> After each time I'd do one of these flushes, there was hell to pay
> though. When things were opened up by removal of these stones terrible
> things began coming out. I practically went nuts a couple of times &
> passed out once. Some people probably would have killed themselves.
> I'm serious, it was that bad sometimes but after a about a week I'd
> recover & after about 3 weeks later somehow muster the willpower to do
> another one. If I had it to do again, I'd do it simultaneously with
> the IV chelations. Because the last couple I've done have been right
> before a chelation & were much easier on me.
>
> John M.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew McAfee
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:03 AM
> Subject: [eSens] liver detox and parasites
>
>
> John,
> I have enjoyed reading your testimonies and what you have been
> through.
> When you did your liver flushes, were they also gall bladder stone
> flushes? How many stones did you get out and what color? There are
> many
> recipes for gall bladder flushes and I am wondering which one you
> chose
> and what results you got.
>
> On a related topic, I have been using Dr. Hulda Clark's book "A Cure
> for All Diseases"
> http://www.paradevices.com/healthbooks.html
> and the Zapper
> http://www.paradevices.com/index2z.html
> http://shop.toolsforhealing.com/category_s/36.htm
> to kill the parasites and viruses, etc. that go hand in hand with
> heavy
> metals.
> I have noticed a decrease in my fungus growth on my skin. I have a
> few
> shady patches that are becoming less dark and more irregular. So the
> Zapper is working on some level.
> I highly recommend everyone reading more about the parasite, virus,
> fungus relationship with toxins, metals, etc.
>
> Andrew
>
> On Dec 27, 2004, at 9:19 PM, john wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>> I did colonics too about 2 years ago. It relieved a lot of bowel
>> problems for me including candida. I then did several liver flushes
>> starting this spring after being laid up real bad with chronic
>> fatigue.They really opened things up. That's the beginning of when the
>> bad stuff really started to flow out. After about 1/2 dozen of those
>> on a 3 week intervals is when I started the chelation. So my liver has
>> opened up & at this point I never know what I'll feel like from one
>> day to the next.
>> Even so, I can't say I'm sorry I did it, I really had no choice. I'll
>> also see it to the end until I get better or die because I have no
>> choice.
>> One unexpected benefit of the liver flushes is that all my
>> allergies to inhalants, foods, chemicals magically disappeared. For
>> years, I had multiple chemical sensitivities & very bad allergies ever
>> since I was a baby & that's all gone now at least. I've also rid
>> myself of all the infections, uncers from heliobacter pylori, prostate
>> infections, chronic candida infections, & viral infections. Still,
>> when one thing is gone something else always is there to come to the
>> forefront. I hope that at least now I may have come to the thing that
>> started it all probably when I was a little baby or even in the womb
>> which is heavy metals. Like all the battles before this phase, you
>> never know what the outcome will be. It's a constant battle of life &
>> death. If I lose, at least I can say I fought every battle as bravely
>> as anyone could have.
>> Noone, except those of us who suffer from chronic fatigue, multiple
>> chemical sensitivity, fibromyalgia, gulf war syndrome, electrical
>> sensitivity & all the other variations of being chronically poisoned
>> to the point of suffering so much for so long can appreciate what
>> courage really is.
>>
>> John M.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: abailey63
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:57 AM
>> Subject: [eSens] Re: Current Circumstances, Sun sensitivity, IV
>> chelation, NAET desensitization
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Glenn,
>> You have been doing some great work on research and recovery. I
>> have
>> pretty severe MCS and EMS brought on by a pesticide exposure. I
>> actually did some detox through physician directed colonics. Please
>> don't everyone freak out on me. I get way negative reactions in
>> general when I mention colonics in the MCS community. I'm not
>> espousing this for treatment. I did get some positive results when
>> nothing else worked. I'm just sharing my experience. And I have had
>> a
>> history of bowel problems from years of antibiotic use.
>>
>> I had a bad reaction to dmsa treatment after the sixth week but it
>> greatly reduced my mecury and lead levels. Again only my experience.
>> I
>> was interested in finding out about your niacin regimen. What kinds
>> and dosages are you using. Is it physician directed? Is it time
>> release, no flush? Is it chelated? What brands are you using?
>>
>> Overall I've made enough of a recovery to work part time. But I have
>> to be very careful. And my health and energy are way up and down.
>> And
>> I know that I am one exposure away from going downhill fast again.
>>
>> Thanks, Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Niacin

abailey63
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Glenn,
Interesting. I was actually treated by a naturopath in Phoenix, Dr
Walter Crinnion. He specializes in MCS, EI, toxicity etc. He is very
well known amoung naturopaths but no where else. He taught the EI
classes at Bastyr and gives clinics around the country. He also
actually created a number of the formulas with Thorne (Basic Detox,
Solvent Remover, and others). Put in Crinnion and Thorne in google
and you'll see.

I have to say he brought be back from the brink. I was treated at
the Southwest Natorpathic medical center in phoenix (kind of like
Bastyr southwest). I did a boatload of colonics and lots of Dr.
perscribed supplements. After I stabilized (I was too sick to do
anything more) I was then tested for heavy metals (DMSA challenge, 6
hour urine). Came out pretty high on lead and mercury. Did 6 weeks of
DMSA which was rough. I had a bad reaction the DMSA after 6 weeks.
Mouth sores, fever. It was bad so I stopped. Was tested after 5 weeks
and my mercury was within the normal reference range and lead was just
about normal. I have to pick this up again, because this is a very
short chelation. Crinnion had me doing 5 days on 9 days off on a
reduced dosage of Thorne's captomer 250.

My one complaint with Crinnion is that especially at the end of my
treatment he wasn't around a whole lot. He was always on the road. But
I will say he knew his stuff.

I was also treated by 2 EI docs in massachusetts when I was there.
They were members of AAEM. But they just made me worse (bad reaction
to Meyer's IV). And they gave the impression that they were perplexed
by my condition. That I shouldn't be reacting the way I was. Whereas I
was very very sick when I walked into Dr. Crinnion and I immediately
got the sense that he had "been there and done that". He had seen my
situation before. I was reacting to everything, sleeing outside on
slap of concrete because I could'nt tolerate anything else. I do feel
they are some limitations to his protocol however.

I'm now in Seattle, ironically not far from BC. But I'm looking for
docs. I'm very wary about working with someone. The best known in this
area is a Dr. Buscher in Seattle. But I just don't get a good vibe
from his practice.

So far I've had a CDSA 2 (shows I have candida), an enzyme test
(low in tryptophan, taurine (sign of toxicity)), hair analysis (IMHO
not very useful), liver toxicity test (was normal, Great smokies). I
definitely am going to have a Sprectracell metabolism test. It seems
worth doing. BTW a number of these tests (not the hair analysis) I had
to push the Doctors for which to me is sad.

I've radically changed my diet (Don't eat crap). Also I can work
part time on a computer thanks to the springlifes. And it just so
happens I have a quantum home on order. I'm in a complex and I think
power is an issue here. I'm familiar with Dr. Rea as well but its way
expensive and I only have catastrophic insurance.

My profession is/was computer integration and was consulting as
well. I get the sense we have similar approaches to problems. I
greatly appreciate your insight into your treatment approaches.

Thanks, Alan

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Re: liver detox and parasites

Glenn Coleman
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Does everyone naturally have gall stones? How does one know if it is a
problem?

Glenn

>From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
>Reply-To: [hidden email]
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: Re: [eSens] liver detox and parasites
>Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:52:40 -0500
>
>Great work John. I am familiar with that recipe and have done a similar
>one 3 times. I am glad that you are familiar with Hulda's information.
>I look forward to hearing about your progress and recovery.
>Andrew
>On Dec 30, 2004, at 12:14 AM, john wrote:
>
> >
> > Andrew,
> > Hulda Clarks formula is basically what I've used. Nothing to eat
> > after noon. One tablespoon of epsom salts in a glass of water at 6pm,
> > 8pm, then a cup of fresh squeezed pulpless grapefruit juice mixed with
> > one cup of olive oil at 10pm. Lie down on your back immediately with a
> > pillow under your head & go to sleep. When you first wake up in the
> > morning another glass of epsom salts, & a last one 2 hours later. Then
> > crap out everything in you.
> > It's my understanding that gall stones are liver stones that have
> > fallen down into the gall bladder. They're both produced in the liver
> > I believe. The flushes take gall stones out at the same time. I've
> > done, I think 6 now. The 1st didn't produce much but what they refer
> > to as chaff & some small straw or light brown colored ones. The next 5
> > produced a tremendous number of stones, practically all dark green,
> > many as big as a .45 caliber bullet. There were about a half dozen
> > that were as big around as a quarter. No wonder I was so plugged up.
> > After each time I'd do one of these flushes, there was hell to pay
> > though. When things were opened up by removal of these stones terrible
> > things began coming out. I practically went nuts a couple of times &
> > passed out once. Some people probably would have killed themselves.
> > I'm serious, it was that bad sometimes but after a about a week I'd
> > recover & after about 3 weeks later somehow muster the willpower to do
> > another one. If I had it to do again, I'd do it simultaneously with
> > the IV chelations. Because the last couple I've done have been right
> > before a chelation & were much easier on me.
> >
> > John M.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Andrew McAfee
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:03 AM
> > Subject: [eSens] liver detox and parasites
> >
> >
> > John,
> > I have enjoyed reading your testimonies and what you have been
> > through.
> > When you did your liver flushes, were they also gall bladder stone
> > flushes? How many stones did you get out and what color? There are
> > many
> > recipes for gall bladder flushes and I am wondering which one you
> > chose
> > and what results you got.
> >
> > On a related topic, I have been using Dr. Hulda Clark's book "A Cure
> > for All Diseases"
> > http://www.paradevices.com/healthbooks.html
> > and the Zapper
> > http://www.paradevices.com/index2z.html
> > http://shop.toolsforhealing.com/category_s/36.htm
> > to kill the parasites and viruses, etc. that go hand in hand with
> > heavy
> > metals.
> > I have noticed a decrease in my fungus growth on my skin. I have a
> > few
> > shady patches that are becoming less dark and more irregular. So the
> > Zapper is working on some level.
> > I highly recommend everyone reading more about the parasite, virus,
> > fungus relationship with toxins, metals, etc.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > On Dec 27, 2004, at 9:19 PM, john wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >> I did colonics too about 2 years ago. It relieved a lot of bowel
> >> problems for me including candida. I then did several liver flushes
> >> starting this spring after being laid up real bad with chronic
> >> fatigue.They really opened things up. That's the beginning of when the
> >> bad stuff really started to flow out. After about 1/2 dozen of those
> >> on a 3 week intervals is when I started the chelation. So my liver has
> >> opened up & at this point I never know what I'll feel like from one
> >> day to the next.
> >> Even so, I can't say I'm sorry I did it, I really had no choice. I'll
> >> also see it to the end until I get better or die because I have no
> >> choice.
> >> One unexpected benefit of the liver flushes is that all my
> >> allergies to inhalants, foods, chemicals magically disappeared. For
> >> years, I had multiple chemical sensitivities & very bad allergies ever
> >> since I was a baby & that's all gone now at least. I've also rid
> >> myself of all the infections, uncers from heliobacter pylori, prostate
> >> infections, chronic candida infections, & viral infections. Still,
> >> when one thing is gone something else always is there to come to the
> >> forefront. I hope that at least now I may have come to the thing that
> >> started it all probably when I was a little baby or even in the womb
> >> which is heavy metals. Like all the battles before this phase, you
> >> never know what the outcome will be. It's a constant battle of life &
> >> death. If I lose, at least I can say I fought every battle as bravely
> >> as anyone could have.
> >> Noone, except those of us who suffer from chronic fatigue, multiple
> >> chemical sensitivity, fibromyalgia, gulf war syndrome, electrical
> >> sensitivity & all the other variations of being chronically poisoned
> >> to the point of suffering so much for so long can appreciate what
> >> courage really is.
> >>
> >> John M.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: abailey63
> >> To: [hidden email]
> >> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:57 AM
> >> Subject: [eSens] Re: Current Circumstances, Sun sensitivity, IV
> >> chelation, NAET desensitization
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Glenn,
> >> You have been doing some great work on research and recovery. I
> >> have
> >> pretty severe MCS and EMS brought on by a pesticide exposure. I
> >> actually did some detox through physician directed colonics. Please
> >> don't everyone freak out on me. I get way negative reactions in
> >> general when I mention colonics in the MCS community. I'm not
> >> espousing this for treatment. I did get some positive results when
> >> nothing else worked. I'm just sharing my experience. And I have had
> >> a
> >> history of bowel problems from years of antibiotic use.
> >>
> >> I had a bad reaction to dmsa treatment after the sixth week but it
> >> greatly reduced my mecury and lead levels. Again only my experience.
> >> I
> >> was interested in finding out about your niacin regimen. What kinds
> >> and dosages are you using. Is it physician directed? Is it time
> >> release, no flush? Is it chelated? What brands are you using?
> >>
> >> Overall I've made enough of a recovery to work part time. But I have
> >> to be very careful. And my health and energy are way up and down.
> >> And
> >> I know that I am one exposure away from going downhill fast again.
> >>
> >> Thanks, Alan
> >>
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Re: Niacin

Glenn Coleman
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Alan,

It is definitely a complex puzzle, and difficult to tell which doctor's
methods to follow. I've finally started listening to my subconsious to tell
me which way to go - and it has been very accurate in guiding my path. It
is really tough though to figure out which way to go when in a frenzy being
clobbered by mercury. I found bioenergy work to be my greatest relief in
those situations.

It is most interesting as we learn about each others methods, and steadily
make progress adopting different methods. I read posts from people who just
joined the group a few months ago, and already they are making huge progress
from their learnings in this list. Better than what we get from most
doctors. Thanks Marc for creating this list!

Regarding Quantum Home, for myself, I have only been able to use it at its
lowest setting, or just a tiny bit higher. Anything beyond that and I feel
electrical tension and my EMF actually gets worse.

I was a computer specialist as well, working on large corporate computer
operations.

Over the past 4 years while on disability, I attempted to stay up to date on
computer technology, by going on internet periodically, and reading
magazines. The end result was I became fascinated by leading-edge website
copywriting, since it seemed to pop up everywhere I went on the internet.
It still includes using new methods and technologies, so is just as exciting
as computer integration.

Now that I'm able to work in front of a LCD monitor, I'm launching a new
career in website copywriting. Things look very promising already. I've
just started formal training, and I already have 4 customers interested in
my services. People are creating big cashflows from thin air with cleverly
crafted websites. Its like a gold-rush for people willing to get good at
copywriting - there are very sound methods for anyone to learn how to do an
excellent job of it, with very little effort. Its like setting up cash
machines all over the internet, with my bank account the beneficiary.

Another nice thing about internet copywriting is working at my own schedule,
so when I feel sick I can delay work as necessary. And when I'm not
working, websites keep on going generating income. I'm also able to spend
extended periods with my son and be available for him as much as possible.

I just thought I would mention it since you mentioned you are also a
computer integrator with EMF challenges.

I learned a special meditation that has created positive results anytime I
have used it. It has completely changed my life. I use it to program my
subconsious and to communicate to the spiritual world to attract my
intensions. It is by Wayne Dyer, called "Morning meditation for
manifestation". It is so simple that it doesn't seem possible that it could
achieve what it does. It is just a matter of making the sound or mantra
"Ah" for the length of a full breath, all the while imagining what you want
to create. Do it for about 20 minutes over/over, a few times a week or
durring challenging times, and miracles start happening. I've caused
results to happen that just didn't seem possible. Like meditating hoping I
would get a job with a company, and later ending up in the wrong job
interview at the company, and winning twice as good a job. And meditating
that I wanted somebody to stop suffering from lung cancer, and suddenly they
passed away like magic.

All the best finding just the right doctor to guide you on your path,

Glenn


>From: "abailey63" <[hidden email]>
>Reply-To: [hidden email]
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: [eSens] Re: Niacin
>Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:24:24 -0000
>
>
>Glenn,
> Interesting. I was actually treated by a naturopath in Phoenix, Dr
>Walter Crinnion. He specializes in MCS, EI, toxicity etc. He is very
>well known amoung naturopaths but no where else. He taught the EI
>classes at Bastyr and gives clinics around the country. He also
>actually created a number of the formulas with Thorne (Basic Detox,
>Solvent Remover, and others). Put in Crinnion and Thorne in google
>and you'll see.
>
> I have to say he brought be back from the brink. I was treated at
>the Southwest Natorpathic medical center in phoenix (kind of like
>Bastyr southwest). I did a boatload of colonics and lots of Dr.
>perscribed supplements. After I stabilized (I was too sick to do
>anything more) I was then tested for heavy metals (DMSA challenge, 6
>hour urine). Came out pretty high on lead and mercury. Did 6 weeks of
>DMSA which was rough. I had a bad reaction the DMSA after 6 weeks.
>Mouth sores, fever. It was bad so I stopped. Was tested after 5 weeks
>and my mercury was within the normal reference range and lead was just
>about normal. I have to pick this up again, because this is a very
>short chelation. Crinnion had me doing 5 days on 9 days off on a
>reduced dosage of Thorne's captomer 250.
>
> My one complaint with Crinnion is that especially at the end of my
>treatment he wasn't around a whole lot. He was always on the road. But
>I will say he knew his stuff.
>
> I was also treated by 2 EI docs in massachusetts when I was there.
>They were members of AAEM. But they just made me worse (bad reaction
>to Meyer's IV). And they gave the impression that they were perplexed
>by my condition. That I shouldn't be reacting the way I was. Whereas I
>was very very sick when I walked into Dr. Crinnion and I immediately
>got the sense that he had "been there and done that". He had seen my
>situation before. I was reacting to everything, sleeing outside on
>slap of concrete because I could'nt tolerate anything else. I do feel
>they are some limitations to his protocol however.
>
> I'm now in Seattle, ironically not far from BC. But I'm looking for
>docs. I'm very wary about working with someone. The best known in this
>area is a Dr. Buscher in Seattle. But I just don't get a good vibe
>from his practice.
>
> So far I've had a CDSA 2 (shows I have candida), an enzyme test
>(low in tryptophan, taurine (sign of toxicity)), hair analysis (IMHO
>not very useful), liver toxicity test (was normal, Great smokies). I
>definitely am going to have a Sprectracell metabolism test. It seems
>worth doing. BTW a number of these tests (not the hair analysis) I had
>to push the Doctors for which to me is sad.
>
> I've radically changed my diet (Don't eat crap). Also I can work
>part time on a computer thanks to the springlifes. And it just so
>happens I have a quantum home on order. I'm in a complex and I think
>power is an issue here. I'm familiar with Dr. Rea as well but its way
>expensive and I only have catastrophic insurance.
>
> My profession is/was computer integration and was consulting as
>well. I get the sense we have similar approaches to problems. I
>greatly appreciate your insight into your treatment approaches.
>
>Thanks, Alan
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: liver detox and parasites

Marc Martin
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In reply to this post by carazzz
> I am reading your posts with particular interest. If you wouldn't
> mind elaborating (off list, if you prefer) I am very curious about
> what you mean by "terrible things" and the "hell to pay" aspect of
> your detox.

When he wrote that, I had an idea of what he meant, as I did about
6 of those Hulda Clark liver flushes back then. On a few of them,
I felt absolutely horrible within a few hours -- think food poisoning
horrible. I think I was simply too toxic and/or my elimination
systems were too poorly working to handle all the toxins stirred
up into my bloodstream. And I never really did notice any improvement
in my health afterwards, although I did see some strange stuff come
out of me.

Note that some people advocate doing slower, gentler methods of
liver detox, including just drinking about an ounce of the
olive oil/lemon juice mixture prior to each meal for a period
of weeks, or even apple cider vinegar. Certainly something to
consider if you find you're not up to doing the overnight flush.

And while people shudder at the idea of drinking olive oil and
lemon juice, I thought the epsom salt drink was much worse... (ugh)

Marc

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Re: Seattle practitioners

Marc Martin
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> I'm now in Seattle, ironically not far from BC. But I'm looking for
> docs. I'm very wary about working with someone. The best known in this
> area is a Dr. Buscher in Seattle. But I just don't get a good vibe
> from his practice.

Hey, I live in Seattle too!

I've been to about a dozen different healthcare practitioners in
the area, so I can recommend you to the person I've been seeing
for the past year, Katherine Branigan. At the very least, she's
better than 11 other people in the area. :-) Technically she's a
nutritionist, but I've found her to be helpful, and with the
added bonus (?) that she's electrically sensitive herself
(actually, this could be seen as a drawback, for if she can't
cure herself, then how can she cure you?)

Here is her website:

http://seattlebalancedbody.com/Nutrition.htm

She's in north Seattle, near the Woodland Park Zoo.

Marc

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Re: liver detox and parasites

Marc Martin
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In reply to this post by Glenn Coleman
Glenn Coleman wrote:
> Does everyone naturally have gall stones? How does one know if it is a
> problem?

I suppose Hulda Clark would say that if you have allergies or
chemical sensitivies, then you have gallstones.

Marc

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Re: liver detox and parasites

johnmauersberger
In reply to this post by Andrew McAfee
Hello Again,
I'll have to agree with you about some of what Hulda Clark proposes is
pretty far-fetched.. I hadn't heard anything about bleach causing aids. And
I think you're right about, I thought it was liver flukes instead of bots.
There are a number of web sites concerning liver flushes though. I think
there might even be a group about it. It's kind of funny really. There are
all these pictures that people have sent in that have done liver flushes.
They send in pictures of the biggest stones they,ve picked out of their poop
& photographed them like they were really something to brag about. A lot of
them have a ruler in the picture so you can see how big they really were.
I'll see if I can find the place on the internet where this is again & tell
you.
As I said, I did get very large numbers of these stones. In fact it's
hard to believe that my liver was able to hold them all. They float on top
of the water after you've pooped everything else out.. The biggest ones are
usually the last ones you poop out.
All this is really bizaare when you think about it but desparate people
will do desperate things when they aren't being helped by the ones who are
supposed to.
So you just have to sort through everything to try & find what works. Like
Glenn Coleman said, you just have to decide what's right for you.
I think what's important about this group is that people can give each
other leads of what they've tried or heard of so people can do their own
research like you're doing to find out if this is total quackery, sombody's
just making it up, fabricating parts of it, or just plain wrong about
something.
One thing I usually look for is to make sure I can find the same fact
verified by a number of other sites &/or a number of other people. If it's
from a site that's selling something, I usually disregard the info or any
references totally.

John M.

John M.

----- Original Message -----
From: "franspppp" <[hidden email]>
To: "john" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: liver detox and parasites


>
> Dear all,
>
> I have visited Clark's website and to me it seems totally nuts.
> Bleach causes aids, cancer and autism. You have solvents in your
> brains and bots in your liver. Kill the bots with electrical current
> or herbs, remove the solvants and they will not be back.
>
> Bots? Are very rare in people, moreover they are noticed by regular
> medical tests. Solvents attract bots? I can't imagine. The one cure
> to all diseases? Where does Clark have these very seldom ideas from?
> This is a quack site.
>
> To be honest I don't like the way EHS people are driven to quacks by
> regular medicine. I do not even agree with 'if it works it is o.k.'
> as a rule. Regular science has to get out of the lazy chair (scraping
> easy money) and check what is happening to EHS people. Measurements,
> observation of patient and environment 24/24/7. With an open mind,
> not false comparisons like 'sensitivity' or 'allergy'.
>
> Though I think Clark is a quack, I can imagine something like an
> obstipation in the liver and gall. I will try google.com (and
> alltheweb.com and voelspriet.nl) to check about this. John, I trust
> you did not invent the story of the green bullets.
>
> I had hepatitis C checked - negative. I had an echo-scan - nothing
> wrong. Idem thorax. Today I received the psyhciatrist's report -
> nothing wrong. The psychiatrist says the general practitioner to be
> keen on EMFS (electromagnetic field syndrome) developments. All
> psychiatric and personality disorders are excluded, except for
> undifferentiated somatoform disorder (in case EMFS does not exist
> after all).
>
> I had pseudocholinesterase tested one year ago (9) and now again (11)
> (on a scale of 8-17). So, highly probable that my personal level of
> pseudocholinesterase was lowered. Normally this is a test for people
> working with pesticides. It is known that after radiation (X-rays)
> against cancer pseudocholinesterase is low. The last blood test gives
> low basophiles and eosinophiles (two kinds of white blood cells).
> Could also relate to radiation. I think more and more that radiation
> sickness not only comes from X-rays, but also from accumulated doses
> of radiofrequent and even low frequent radiation. It should be
> researched, diagnosed and treated as radiation sickness, not
> as '(hyper)sensitivity'.
>
> O.k., now I am going to check for liver, gall and flushes.
>
> Frans
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "john" <runicm@1...> wrote:
> > Andrew,
> > Hulda Clarks formula is basically what I've used. Nothing to eat
> after noon. One tablespoon of epsom salts in a glass of water at 6pm,
> 8pm, then a cup of fresh squeezed pulpless grapefruit juice mixed
> with one cup of olive oil at 10pm. Lie down on your back immediately
> with a pillow under your head & go to sleep. When you first wake up
> in the morning another glass of epsom salts, & a last one 2 hours
> later. Then crap out everything in you.
> > It's my understanding that gall stones are liver stones that
> have fallen down into the gall bladder. They're both produced in the
> liver I believe. The flushes take gall stones out at the same time.
> I've done, I think 6 now. The 1st didn't produce much but what they
> refer to as chaff & some small straw or light brown colored ones. The
> next 5 produced a tremendous number of stones, practically all dark
> green, many as big as a .45 caliber bullet. There were about a half
> dozen that were as big around as a quarter. No wonder I was so
> plugged up.
> > After each time I'd do one of these flushes, there was hell to
> pay though. When things were opened up by removal of these stones
> terrible things began coming out. I practically went nuts a couple of
> times & passed out once. Some people probably would have killed
> themselves. I'm serious, it was that bad sometimes but after a about
> a week I'd recover & after about 3 weeks later somehow muster the
> willpower to do another one. If I had it to do again, I'd do it
> simultaneously with the IV chelations. Because the last couple I've
> done have been right before a chelation & were much easier on me.
> >
> > John M.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Andrew McAfee
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:03 AM
> > Subject: [eSens] liver detox and parasites
> >
> >
> > John,
> > I have enjoyed reading your testimonies and what you have been
> through.
> > When you did your liver flushes, were they also gall bladder
> stone
> > flushes? How many stones did you get out and what color? There
> are many
> > recipes for gall bladder flushes and I am wondering which one you
> chose
> > and what results you got.
> >
> > On a related topic, I have been using Dr. Hulda Clark's book "A
> Cure
> > for All Diseases"
> > http://www.paradevices.com/healthbooks.html
> > and the Zapper
> > http://www.paradevices.com/index2z.html
> > http://shop.toolsforhealing.com/category_s/36.htm
> > to kill the parasites and viruses, etc. that go hand in hand with
> heavy
> > metals.
> > I have noticed a decrease in my fungus growth on my skin. I have
> a few
> > shady patches that are becoming less dark and more irregular. So
> the
> > Zapper is working on some level.
> > I highly recommend everyone reading more about the parasite,
> virus,
> > fungus relationship with toxins, metals, etc.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > On Dec 27, 2004, at 9:19 PM, john wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > > I did colonics too about 2 years ago. It relieved a lot of
> bowel
> > > problems for me including candida. I then did several liver
> flushes
> > > starting this spring after being laid up real bad with chronic
> > > fatigue.They really opened things up. That's the beginning of
> when the
> > > bad stuff really started to flow out. After about 1/2 dozen of
> those
> > > on a 3 week intervals is when I started the chelation. So my
> liver has
> > > opened up & at this point I never know what I'll feel like from
> one
> > > day to the next.
> > > Even so, I can't say I'm sorry I did it, I really had no
> choice. I'll
> > > also see it to the end until I get better or die because I have
> no
> > > choice.
> > > One unexpected benefit of the liver flushes is that all my
> > > allergies to inhalants, foods, chemicals magically disappeared.
> For
> > > years, I had multiple chemical sensitivities & very bad
> allergies ever
> > > since I was a baby & that's all gone now at least. I've also
> rid
> > > myself of all the infections, uncers from heliobacter pylori,
> prostate
> > > infections, chronic candida infections, & viral infections.
> Still,
> > > when one thing is gone something else always is there to come
> to the
> > > forefront. I hope that at least now I may have come to the
> thing that
> > > started it all probably when I was a little baby or even in the
> womb
> > > which is heavy metals. Like all the battles before this phase,
> you
> > > never know what the outcome will be. It's a constant battle of
> life &
> > > death. If I lose, at least I can say I fought every battle as
> bravely
> > > as anyone could have.
> > > Noone, except those of us who suffer from chronic fatigue,
> multiple
> > > chemical sensitivity, fibromyalgia, gulf war syndrome,
> electrical
> > > sensitivity & all the other variations of being chronically
> poisoned
> > > to the point of suffering so much for so long can appreciate
> what
> > > courage really is.
> > >
> > > John M.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: abailey63
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:57 AM
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Current Circumstances, Sun sensitivity,
> IV
> > > chelation, NAET desensitization
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Glenn,
> > > You have been doing some great work on research and
> recovery. I
> > > have
> > > pretty severe MCS and EMS brought on by a pesticide exposure.
> I
> > > actually did some detox through physician directed colonics.
> Please
> > > don't everyone freak out on me. I get way negative reactions
> in
> > > general when I mention colonics in the MCS community. I'm not
> > > espousing this for treatment. I did get some positive results
> when
> > > nothing else worked. I'm just sharing my experience. And I
> have had a
> > > history of bowel problems from years of antibiotic use.
> > >
> > > I had a bad reaction to dmsa treatment after the sixth week
> but it
> > > greatly reduced my mecury and lead levels. Again only my
> experience.
> > > I
> > > was interested in finding out about your niacin regimen. What
> kinds
> > > and dosages are you using. Is it physician directed? Is it
> time
> > > release, no flush? Is it chelated? What brands are you using?
> > >
> > > Overall I've made enough of a recovery to work part time. But
> I have
> > > to be very careful. And my health and energy are way up and
> down. And
> > > I know that I am one exposure away from going downhill fast
> again.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Alan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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