Since I suffer from the following symptoms for approx. hrs after one hours usage on my desk top PC - CHRONIC FATIGUE / WATERY EYES /LETHARGY / ANXIETY/ NIGHTMARES / DEPRESSION / LACK OF CONCENTRATION ETC, is the answer to purchase a Laptop and run it on batteries and plug in to my `wired` cable broadband connection? Also, would a `wire free mouse` be an advantage? I had seen a budget priced "(18.screen) Fujitsu Siemens Amilo LI3910 laptop" whichwould be a good desk top replacement. At present my EMS symptoms only occur on my desk top PC & when I am under fluorescent lights : so has this worked for any other sufferers, please comment.
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> is the answer to purchase a Laptop and run it on batteries
Not necessarily. There is quite a lot of variability between equipment. You may that a particular laptop is even worse than your desktop, while you may find that a different desktop is better than your current desktop. And desktops at least have the advantage that you can move them further away from you. > and plug in to my `wired` cable broadband connection? You should definitely try a wired connection, and disable any radio on your PC. > Also, would a `wire free mouse` be an advantage? I think a wired mouse would likely be better, the lower-tech, the better (like the old mouses from the 1990's which used balls inside of them instead of an LED on the bottom) I also get some relief from both computers and florescent lights by using certain EMF protection devices -- for example, items from Quantum Products (quantumproducts.com) reduce my symptoms to both, although they may not necessarily work for you. Marc |
Try the EEE PC from Asus. Or an OLPC (but it's frustrating to use).
Get the EEE with SSD. 10" screen. Run on battery when in use. Mac laptops are pretty good. Unfortunately the nice new ones don't have a removable battery (but claim 7 hrs battery usage). Bill On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > is the answer to purchase a Laptop and run it on batteries > > Not necessarily. There is quite a lot of variability between > equipment. You may that a particular laptop is even worse than your > desktop, while you may find that a different desktop is better than > your current desktop. > > And desktops at least have the advantage that you can move them further > away from you. > > > and plug in to my `wired` cable broadband connection? > > You should definitely try a wired connection, and disable any radio > on your PC. > > > Also, would a `wire free mouse` be an advantage? > > I think a wired mouse would likely be better, the lower-tech, the > better (like the old mouses from the 1990's which used balls inside of > them instead of an LED on the bottom) > > I also get some relief from both computers and florescent lights by using > certain EMF protection devices -- for example, items from Quantum > Products (quantumproducts.com) reduce my symptoms to both, although they > may not necessarily work for you. > > Marc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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In a message dated 10/06/2009 02:17:32 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: At present my EMS symptoms only occur on my desk top PC & when I am under fluorescent lights : so has this worked for any other sufferers, please comment Paul UK - Bills sugesstion to use an ASUS PC with solid state drive is a very good option for internet usage and minimal general use lets face it the screen is only 10". But solid state on battery has got to be the way to go I am not sure wether ther use led backlights on these but that would be an added bonus. As for feeling ill under flourescents, not only does the pc, mouse and keyboard omit a range of constantly changing frequencies up close, the lights emit a fair bit of RF/Microwave radiation to boot being in a room with these likely means that the power supply/wiring is re-radiating dirty power via all appliances etc its a viscious cirlce - your symptoms are sure to be a warning that your body has had enough ! time out away from such scources is most important, the human body was never meant to be cuddled up close to such artificial rf noise, its simply unatural to the core. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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hi Starman,
you will likely still have problems doing that too, but it is possibly a best case scenario. (tho people here have been saying a particular laptop might be a better choice too). that was what i tried. had a horrible first month but with the help of Dell techs, we took an intolerable laptop and made it tolerable. i removed the broadband and wifi cards, changed all the wireless and communications settings, dumbed down the laptop as muchas possible by taking away as much automatic downloading as possible and stripping the start menu to only what is absolutely necessary..... i tried using on battery, but because i drain batteries quickly (i have special powers in this dept) and had problems recharging the battery without causingbad symptoms, the tech finally suggested i just remove the battery and go with regular electric power. they told me to keep electric powered components 6 feet or more apart to reduce interference, someone here mentioned to remember laptop plugs do not have polarized plugs but still need to go into the outlet a particular direction--that helped. i was repeatedly putting the plug in upside down before i marked it w a paint pen and i could feel a difference when i did. i did alot of little things which togetheradded up to less emfs. i use a dsl box w an ethernet cord for internet use. still streaming video, down and uploading bother me but i can avoid those. i use the puter as much as possible offline--write long emails on word and paste them to email replies to send all at one time. i save sites i want to read and read them after i go offline..... on top of that, i take nutrients which help--B12 and D3 help most. in summer i get outside and don't need D3. grounding my body also helps. so, you see there is alot to consider and work out even w a laptop. i used my laptop also far from me with remote mouse and setting screen to largerprint to help w off gassing for the first few months and i limited my timeas much as possible during that time also. good luck, diane --- On Tue, 6/9/09, starmanxxxx <[hidden email]> wrote: From: starmanxxxx <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Could a Laptop be the answer then? To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 8:00 PM Since I suffer from the following symptoms for approx. hrs after one hours usage on my desk top PC - CHRONIC FATIGUE / WATERY EYES /LETHARGY / ANXIETY/ NIGHTMARES / DEPRESSION / LACK OF CONCENTRATION ETC, is the answer to purchase a Laptop and run it on batteries and plug in to my `wired` cable broadband connection? Also, would a `wire free mouse` be an advantage? I had seen a budget priced "(18.screen) Fujitsu Siemens Amilo LI3910 laptop" whichwould be a good desk top replacement. At present my EMS symptoms only occur on my desk top PC & when I am under fluorescent lights : so has this worked for any other sufferers, please comment. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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hi Starman,
this was the particular laptop i was referring to in my post. d --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Could a Laptop be the answer then? To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 10:03 PM Try the EEE PC from Asus. Or an OLPC (but it's frustrating to use). Get the EEE with SSD. 10" screen. Run on battery when in use. Mac laptops are pretty good. Unfortunately the nice new ones don't have a removable battery (but claim 7 hrs battery usage). Bill On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote: > > > > is the answer to purchase a Laptop and run it on batteries > > Not necessarily. There is quite a lot of variability between > equipment. You may that a particular laptop is even worse than your > desktop, while you may find that a different desktop is better than > your current desktop. > > And desktops at least have the advantage that you can move them further > away from you. > > > and plug in to my `wired` cable broadband connection? > > You should definitely try a wired connection, and disable any radio > on your PC. > > > Also, would a `wire free mouse` be an advantage? > > I think a wired mouse would likely be better, the lower-tech, the > better (like the old mouses from the 1990's which used balls inside of > them instead of an LED on the bottom) > > I also get some relief from both computers and florescent lights by using > certain EMF protection devices -- for example, items from Quantum > Products (quantumproducts. com) reduce my symptoms to both, although they > may not necessarily work for you. > > Marc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
> > hi Starman, > > you will likely still have problems doing that too, but it is possibly a best case scenario. (tho people here have been saying a particular laptop might be a better choice too). that was what i tried. had a horrible first month but with the help of Dell techs, we took an intolerable laptop and made it tolerable. i removed the broadband and wifi cards, changedall the wireless and communications settings, dumbed down the laptop as much as possible by taking away as much automatic downloading as possible andstripping the start menu to only what is absolutely necessary..... i tried using on battery, but because i drain batteries quickly (i have specialpowers in this dept) and had problems recharging the battery without causing bad symptoms, the tech finally suggested i just remove the battery and go with regular electric power. they told me to keep electric powered components 6 feet or more apart to reduce interference, someone here mentioned > to remember laptop plugs do not have polarized plugs but still need to go into the outlet a particular direction--that helped. i was repeatedly putting the plug in upside down before i marked it w a paint pen and i could feel a difference when i did. i did alot of little things which together added up to less emfs. > > i use a dsl box w an ethernet cord for internet use. still streaming video, down and uploading bother me but i can avoid those. i use the puter as much as possible offline--write long emails on word and paste them to email replies to send all at one time. i save sites i want to read and read them after i go offline..... > > on top of that, i take nutrients which help--B12 and D3 help most. in summer i get outside and don't need D3. grounding my body also helps. so, you see there is alot to consider and work out even w a laptop. i used my laptop also far from me with remote mouse and setting screen to larger print to help w off gassing for the first few months and i limited my time as much as possible during that time also. good luck, diane Thankyou Diane, your posting has been very informative with regards to the finer points of Electro sensitivity. So, did you inform Dell Tecnicians of your condition and they tailored a laptop to your ES condition? When you state "i save sites i want to read and read them after i go offline....." surly your laptop will automatically connect to the internet when you go to `My Docs` and click on : tryed myself you see and thats what happened? I am considering the 18.4"screen Fujitsu Siemens Amilo LI3910 laptop because of the large screen & a remote mouse and using the battery instead of mains electricity, but will have to plug into Virgin cable Broadband as I do presently with my desk top, as yoo say as a "best case senario" Appreciate, any further advice from you or any one else who has improved there situation by using laptops, cheers! ------------------------------------------------------------------- Since I suffer from the following symptoms for approx. hrs after one hoursusage on my desk top PC - CHRONIC FATIGUE / WATERY EYES /LETHARGY / ANXIETY / NIGHTMARES / DEPRESSION / LACK OF CONCENTRATION ETC, is the answer to purchase a Laptop and run it on batteries and plug in to my `wired` cable broadband connection? Also, would a `wire free mouse` be an advantage? I had seen a budget priced "(18.screen) Fujitsu Siemens Amilo LI3910 laptop" which would be a good desk top replacement. At present my EMS symptoms only occur on my desk top PC & when I am under fluorescent lights : so has this worked for any other sufferers, please comment. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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hi Starman,
sorry it took so long to reply. i have only been online in spurts lately. yes, i informed the Dell techs of my ES--they were aware of the problem. not every tech is knowledgeable, but when you call in for a particular problem, you get routed to a tech who is considered an expert in that field. there was only 1 knowledgeable tech for es hardware issues, (and he told me he got about one es case/month/worldwide 3 years ago) but for softwareissues, i had at least 5 techs and they were all very helpful and understanding, as well! the last one was very concerned for me when my free software support ran out. they did not necessarily know what i needed right away. i had 3 to 5 hour conversations with them about 4 or 5 days a week for 1 month to fix everything. the hardware tech knew i needed the cards removed, but so did i. i mainly told them what helped and what didn't and also they got to the point they could even tell themselves when i was reacting badly--i got confused very easily and they would ask if i needed to break or could go on. re saving pages.... when i can, i save the print--not the site--to Word. then i bring it up offline to read. when finished, i delete it but keepthe site addy in my favs if i want to refer back to it again. unfortunately, i also sometimes forget to do this step and misplace info. also, i never have my computer set so it can automatically connect. i even keep all wires disconnected from my computer. as to the computer you have chosen.... i cannot say other techs are up to the task as Dell techs are. i initially tried a toshiba and when i called tech support for help with the es issues, they acted like i had grown 2heads. lol hope the techs can help you. hope your new computer works well for you, diane --- On Fri, 6/12/09, starmanxxxx <[hidden email]> wrote: From: starmanxxxx <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Could a Laptop be the answer then? To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 5:20 AM --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@. ..> wrote: > > hi Starman, > > you will likely still have problems doing that too, but it is possibly a best case scenario. (tho people here have been saying a particular laptop might be a better choice too). that was what i tried. had a horrible first month but with the help of Dell techs, we took an intolerable laptop and made it tolerable. i removed the broadband and wifi cards, changedall the wireless and communications settings, dumbed down the laptop as much as possible by taking away as much automatic downloading as possible andstripping the start menu to only what is absolutely necessary... .. i tried using on battery, but because i drain batteries quickly (i have special powers in this dept) and had problems recharging the battery without causing bad symptoms, the tech finally suggested i just remove the battery and go with regular electric power. they told me to keep electric powered components 6 feet or more apart to reduce interference, someone here mentioned > to remember laptop plugs do not have polarized plugs but still need to gointo the outlet a particular direction--that helped. i was repeatedly putting the plug in upside down before i marked it w a paint pen and i couldfeel a difference when i did. i did alot of little things which together added up to less emfs. > > i use a dsl box w an ethernet cord for internet use. still streaming video, down and uploading bother me but i can avoid those. i use the puter as much as possible offline--write long emails on word and paste them to email replies to send all at one time. i save sites i want to read and read them after i go offline..... > > on top of that, i take nutrients which help--B12 and D3 help most. in summer i get outside and don't need D3. grounding my body also helps. so, you see there is alot to consider and work out even w a laptop. i used my laptop also far from me with remote mouse and setting screen to larger print to help w off gassing for the first few months and i limited my time as much as possible during that time also. good luck, diane Thankyou Diane, your posting has been very informative with regards to the finer points of Electro sensitivity. So, did you inform Dell Tecnicians of your condition and they tailored a laptop to your ES condition? When you state "i save sites i want to read and read them after i go offline..... " surly your laptop will automatically connect to the internet when you go to `My Docs` and click on : tryed myself you see and thats what happened? I am considering the 18.4"screen Fujitsu Siemens Amilo LI3910 laptop because of the large screen & a remote mouse and using the battery instead of mains electricity, but will have to plug into Virgin cable Broadband as I do presently with my desk top, as yoo say as a "best case senario" Appreciate, any further advice from you or any one else who has improved there situation by using laptops, cheers! ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Since I suffer from the following symptoms for approx. hrs after one hours usage on my desk top PC - CHRONIC FATIGUE / WATERY EYES /LETHARGY / ANXIETY/ NIGHTMARES / DEPRESSION / LACK OF CONCENTRATION ETC, is the answer to purchase a Laptop and run it on batteries and plug in to my `wired` cable broadband connection? Also, would a `wire free mouse` be an advantage? I had seen a budget priced "(18.screen) Fujitsu Siemens Amilo LI3910 laptop" whichwould be a good desk top replacement. At present my EMS symptoms only occur on my desk top PC & when I am under fluorescent lights : so has this worked for any other sufferers, please comment. > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
It turns out it's now easy to buy a SSD laptop drive that will fit most
laptops (or desktops). One probably needs some special tools to replace a laptop disk (torx drivers, a wrist ground strap is recommended). The drives start at about $325, mainly from Intel or Samsung. My understanding is that even the "mainstream" Intel drive is faster than a regular hard drive. Bill On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > hi Starman, > > sorry it took so long to reply. i have only been online in spurts lately. > > > yes, i informed the Dell techs of my ES--they were aware of the problem. > not every tech is knowledgeable, but when you call in for a particular > problem, you get routed to a tech who is considered an expert in that > field. there was only 1 knowledgeable tech for es hardware issues, (and he > told me he got about one es case/month/worldwide 3 years ago) but for > software issues, i had at least 5 techs and they were all very helpful and > understanding, as well! the last one was very concerned for me when my free > software support ran out. > > they did not necessarily know what i needed right away. i had 3 to 5 hour > conversations with them about 4 or 5 days a week for 1 month to fix > everything. the hardware tech knew i needed the cards removed, but so did > i. i mainly told them what helped and what didn't and also they got to the > point they could even tell themselves when i was reacting badly--i got > confused very easily and they would ask if i needed to break or could go on. > > re saving pages.... when i can, i save the print--not the site--to Word. > then i bring it up offline to read. when finished, i delete it but keep the > site addy in my favs if i want to refer back to it again. unfortunately, i > also sometimes forget to do this step and misplace info. > also, i never have my computer set so it can automatically connect. i even > keep all wires disconnected from my computer. > > as to the computer you have chosen.... i cannot say other techs are up to > the task as Dell techs are. i initially tried a toshiba and when i called > tech support for help with the es issues, they acted like i had grown 2 > heads. lol hope the techs can help you. > > hope your new computer works well for you, > diane > > > --- On Fri, 6/12/09, starmanxxxx <[hidden email]<starmanxxxx%40yahoo.co.uk>> > wrote: > > From: starmanxxxx <[hidden email] <starmanxxxx%40yahoo.co.uk>> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Could a Laptop be the answer then? > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 5:20 AM > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@. ..> wrote: > > > > hi Starman, > > > > you will likely still have problems doing that too, but it is possibly a > best case scenario. (tho people here have been saying a particular laptop > might be a better choice too). that was what i tried. had a horrible first > month but with the help of Dell techs, we took an intolerable laptop and > made it tolerable. i removed the broadband and wifi cards, changed all the > wireless and communications settings, dumbed down the laptop as much as > possible by taking away as much automatic downloading as possible and > stripping the start menu to only what is absolutely necessary... .. i tried > using on battery, but because i drain batteries quickly (i have special > powers in this dept) and had problems recharging the battery without causing > bad symptoms, the tech finally suggested i just remove the battery and go > with regular electric power. they told me to keep electric powered > components 6 feet or more apart to reduce interference, someone here > mentioned > > to remember laptop plugs do not have polarized plugs but still need to go > into the outlet a particular direction--that helped. i was repeatedly > putting the plug in upside down before i marked it w a paint pen and i could > feel a difference when i did. i did alot of little things which together > added up to less emfs. > > > > i use a dsl box w an ethernet cord for internet use. still streaming > video, down and uploading bother me but i can avoid those. i use the puter > as much as possible offline--write long emails on word and paste them to > email replies to send all at one time. i save sites i want to read and read > them after i go offline..... > > > > on top of that, i take nutrients which help--B12 and D3 help most. in > summer i get outside and don't need D3. grounding my body also helps. so, > you see there is alot to consider and work out even w a laptop. i used my > laptop also far from me with remote mouse and setting screen to larger print > to help w off gassing for the first few months and i limited my time as much > as possible during that time also. > > good luck, > > diane > > Thankyou Diane, > > your posting has been very informative with regards to the finer points of > Electro sensitivity. So, did you inform Dell Tecnicians of your condition > and they tailored a laptop to your ES condition? > > When you state "i save sites i want to read and read them after i go > offline..... " surly your laptop will automatically connect to the internet > when you go to `My Docs` and click on : tryed myself you see and thats what > happened? > > I am considering the 18.4"screen Fujitsu Siemens Amilo LI3910 laptop > because of the large screen & a remote mouse and using the battery instead > of mains electricity, but will have to plug into Virgin cable Broadband as I > do presently with my desk top, as yoo say as a "best case senario" > > Appreciate, any further advice from you or any one else who has improved > there situation by using laptops, cheers! > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Since I suffer from the following symptoms for approx. hrs after one hours > usage on my desk top PC - CHRONIC FATIGUE / WATERY EYES /LETHARGY / ANXIETY > / NIGHTMARES / DEPRESSION / LACK OF CONCENTRATION ETC, is the answer to > purchase a Laptop and run it on batteries and plug in to my `wired` cable > broadband connection? Also, would a `wire free mouse` be an advantage? I had > seen a budget priced "(18.screen) Fujitsu Siemens Amilo LI3910 laptop" which > would be a good desk top replacement. At present my EMS symptoms only occur > on my desk top PC & when I am under fluorescent lights : so has this worked > for any other sufferers, please comment. > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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