Copper 'toxicity'

Hi all,
I'd just like to ask you all a question about something that I think
of quite a lot, but can't make up my mind about.
I have had hair mineral analysis showing very high Copper-levels.
I wonder how much this is involved in my eSens. (I'm thinking: A lot
of Copper in my body would give high conductivity for EMFs.)

Are there anybody else who've had hair tests showing high Cu-levels?
Do you consider this something to be 'bothered' about?
Have you e.g. tried to eat a diet low in Cu-rich foods (i.e. no
grains, legumes, nuts, seeds, dried fruit)?
If so, did you see any improvements?

Thanks,
John.

> Are there anybody else who've had hair tests showing high Cu-levels?
> Do you consider this something to be 'bothered' about?
> Have you e.g. tried to eat a diet low in Cu-rich foods (i.e. no
> grains, legumes, nuts, seeds, dried fruit)?
> If so, did you see any improvements?

Yes, I was in a similar situation. My hair tests showed copper levels
so high that the doctor thought it must be an error. I also had symptoms
of a zinc deficiency (poor immune system, no sense of smell, etc.), so
that was also an indicator of a zinc/copper imbalance. I did not go
to the effort of eliminating high-copper foods, but I did spend years
working on heavy metal detoxification. The primary concern was
mercury, but reducing mercury from the body and reducing copper
from the body can be pretty similar. I certainly did improve a lot,
although it's hard to say for sure what caused the improvements.
I know that I've attributed it to detox, better nutrition, and EMF
protection devices. How much copper played a role, I have no idea.

I did get another hair test from a different lab years later, and
this time copper was not high.

Marc

Hi Marc,
thanks for your answer.
Hmmm, I guess it is hard to say what part a high hair Cu-value plays
in everything.
I've read that Cu can be high due to both sluggish adrenal glands
and sluggish thyroid, and also often Cu is high in Hg-toxic people,  
and since Hg often is one of the causes of the adrenal/thyroid
problems in the first place (and also eSens ??), I guess the real
solution is to detoxify Hg, and trust the Cu to normalize as Hg
leaves the body.

John.
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> Yes, I was in a similar situation. My hair tests showed copper
levels
> so high that the doctor thought it must be an error. I also had
symptoms
> of a zinc deficiency (poor immune system, no sense of smell,
etc.), so
> that was also an indicator of a zinc/copper imbalance. I did not
go
> to the effort of eliminating high-copper foods, but I did spend
years
> working on heavy metal detoxification. The primary concern was
> mercury, but reducing mercury from the body and reducing copper
> from the body can be pretty similar. I certainly did improve a
lot,
> although it's hard to say for sure what caused the improvements.
> I know that I've attributed it to detox, better nutrition, and EMF
> protection devices. How much copper played a role, I have no idea.
>
> I did get another hair test from a different lab years later, and
> this time copper was not high.
>
> Marc
>

> I guess the real
> solution is to detoxify Hg, and trust the Cu to normalize as Hg
> leaves the body.

That was my thinking, although if know that you have some sluggish
glands (adrenals, thyroid, etc.), then you should support those
glands in parallel with the detox, otherwise they will probably
get worse with all those toxins in your bloodstream.

And you may even find some unlikely glands that need support
during detox -- I've been on parotid gland support (saliva)
all year, and it also seems my prostate doesn't like
mobilized toxins either...

Marc

If one is taking metal detox capsules and they contain copper, are we going the wrong direction? And what is Hg? Mike

Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > I guess the real
> solution is to detoxify Hg, and trust the Cu to normalize as Hg
> leaves the body.

That was my thinking, although if know that you have some sluggish
glands (adrenals, thyroid, etc.), then you should support those
glands in parallel with the detox, otherwise they will probably
get worse with all those toxins in your bloodstream.

And you may even find some unlikely glands that need support
during detox -- I've been on parotid gland support (saliva)
all year, and it also seems my prostate doesn't like
mobilized toxins either...

Marc






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> If one is taking metal detox capsules and they contain copper, are we
> going the wrong direction? And what is Hg? Mike

For those of you who remember their high school chemistry
periodic tables, "Hg" is mercury. :-)

As for whether taking copper in a supplement is a bad thing, I don't
think it's necessarily a bad thing. Does it also have zinc in
it? Zinc and copper are supposed to be in the body in a certain
ratio, and taking too much of one will deplete you of the other.

And again, it's really hard to pinpoint how important copper
toxicity is in the big picture, as there are thousands of
toxins that could be causing problems. That's why I tend
to think of "detox" as a generalized concept, although
people like to focus on specific things like mercury,
aluminum, lead, etc.

Marc

Hello,
Dominion East Ohio has decided to upgrade all the gas meters in my area. The new meters will remotely send a signal ( they claim a low signal that will not interfere with pacemakers etc.)  My questions are:

1.) Should I be concerned?

2.) What should I do to prevent this if so?

Has anyone gone through this before?  What did you do about it?



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> Dominion East Ohio has decided to upgrade all the gas meters in my area.
> The new meters will remotely send a signal ( they claim a low signal that
> will not interfere with pacemakers etc.)

Did they say at what frequency the meter will be sending a signal? Once
a second? Once a minute? Once a day? Once a month? The less frequently
a signal is sent, the less it should be an issue.

Marc

chocolate is the food that you would try to stay away from.
----- Original Message -----
From: johnottawa80
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:15 AM
Subject: [eSens] Copper 'toxicity'


Hi all,
I'd just like to ask you all a question about something that I think
of quite a lot, but can't make up my mind about.
I have had hair mineral analysis showing very high Copper-levels.
I wonder how much this is involved in my eSens. (I'm thinking: A lot
of Copper in my body would give high conductivity for EMFs.)

Are there anybody else who've had hair tests showing high Cu-levels?
Do you consider this something to be 'bothered' about?
Have you e.g. tried to eat a diet low in Cu-rich foods (i.e. no
grains, legumes, nuts, seeds, dried fruit)?
If so, did you see any improvements?

Thanks,
John.





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> chocolate is the food that you would try to stay away from.  

Yes, you're absolutely right!
The food that I get the most obvious allergic reaction to is
chocholate.
What's the connection to Cu-toxicity??

John.

> If one is taking metal detox capsules and they contain copper, are
we going the wrong direction? And what is Hg? Mike


Mike,
if you are taking, or you're planning to take, supplements to detox
heavy metals, I would advice you to really educate yourself frist, and
start with a very low dose.
Generally, if you're taking a supplement thant contains Cu to detox
heavy metals, I'd very much question that product. Anyone trying to
detoxify heavy metals should only take Cu-supplements if they're
absoloutely sure that they have a deficientcy of Cu.
(I guess there might be exceptions, like for people getting IV EDTA
chelation from a medical doctor. Then I think you might have to
replace most minerals, perhaps also Cu.)

John.

> Yes, you're absolutely right!
> The food that I get the most obvious allergic reaction to is
> chocholate.
> What's the connection to Cu-toxicity??

Chocolate is one of those foods that is high in copper.

Marc

Does anyone know how to ground a bed?  My neighbor has been having reactions she thinks are ES and she has a metal frame on her bed.   Any suggestions?
         
       
       








       


       
       

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chocolate is high in copper. I still can't eat a lot of it after several years of detox.
----- Original Message -----
From: johnottawa80
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:51 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Copper 'toxicity'


> chocolate is the food that you would try to stay away from.

Yes, you're absolutely right!
The food that I get the most obvious allergic reaction to is
chocholate.
What's the connection to Cu-toxicity??

John.





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In a message dated 11/19/2008 2:27:25 A.M. GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Does anyone know how to ground a bed? My neighbor has been having reactions
she thinks are ES and she has a metal frame on her bed. Any suggestions?



I would sugesst getting rid of the metal bed and swapping to the most
chemically inert latex or foam mattress you can source

PUK


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My impression is that these things continuously emit electromagnetic
energy. There is probably nothing you can do; it's gradually
happening everywhere as there is practically no opposition to it. The
U.S. population seems to be collectively "brain-dead" when it comes
to EMR awareness. If you are significantly ill with electro-
sensitivity, expect to have problems.

John L.


--- In [hidden email], Elizabeth Mumper <zil_mumper@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Dominion East Ohio has decided to upgrade all the gas meters in my
area.  The new meters will remotely send a signal ( they claim a low
signal that will not interfere with pacemakers etc.)  My questions
are:
>
> 1.) Should I be concerned?
>
> 2.) What should I do to prevent this if so?
>
> Has anyone gone through this before?  What did you do about it?

> My impression is that these things continuously emit electromagnetic
> energy. There is probably nothing you can do;

How are these things powered? I don't think there is any electricity
near my gas meter... (?)

Marc

ok thanks


--- On Wed, 11/19/08, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:
From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] ground a bed
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 4:34 AM










   
             

In a message dated 11/19/2008 2:27:25 A.M. GMT Standard Time,  

zil_mumper@yahoo. com writes:



Does anyone know how to ground a bed? My neighbor has been having reactions

she thinks are ES and she has a metal frame on her bed. Any suggestions?



I would sugesst getting rid of the metal bed and swapping to the most

chemically inert latex or foam mattress you can source

 

PUK



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I guess there's a battery inside that they have to keep replacing.
Could be solar powered though. If any of you are wondering if you're
going to get this, you could contact your local utilities and ask if
they plan to install an Automatic Meter Reading (AMR) system.

John


--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > My impression is that these things continuously emit
electromagnetic
> > energy. There is probably nothing you can do;
>
> How are these things powered? I don't think there is any electricity
> near my gas meter... (?)
>
> Marc
>

I read online (if wikipedia can be trusted) there are two types of AMR devices.

-two-way- the car patrolling sends a signal and *wakes up* the gas meter device and the gas meter device sends the data to the car

-one-way- the gas meter device is continually transmitting a signal

So I called Dominion to find out which one it is and they said they would look into it and let me know.

Zil




--- On Thu, 11/20/08, johnlankes <[hidden email]> wrote:
From: johnlankes <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: automated meter reading- has anyone had experience with this?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 9:09 AM










   
I guess there's a battery inside that they have to keep replacing.

Could be solar powered though. If any of you are wondering if you're

going to get this, you could contact your local utilities and ask if

they plan to install an Automatic Meter Reading (AMR) system.



John



--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

>

> > My impression is that these things continuously emit

electromagnetic

> > energy. There is probably nothing you can do;

>

> How are these things powered? I don't think there is any electricity

> near my gas meter... (?)

>

> Marc

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