Cancer Incidence vs Spring Mattresses
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http://www.stopthecrime.net/hallbergASMS1-4-2014.pdf
i can certainly tell the difference. i think it has something to do with electricity and metal being a good 'antenna' for electrical currents - especially now that there is so much use of wifi, etc. --- Abstract Objective: To review published data about breast cancer and average life time sleep duration on wave-reflecting spring mattresses, and with rates reported before body- resonant radiation were at all emitted from broadcasting transmitters, to determine any correlation. Methods: We collected cancer trend data from cancer registries in Sweden, Denmark, Japan, and the United States. Data on cancer incidence and sleeping habits were collected by a literature survey. Hazard rates (HR) of breast cancer vs. effective sleep duration in body-resonant radiation were plotted to determine the significance2 Örjan Hallberg, Paavo Huttunen and Olle Johansson level of collected data. Practical measurements of electromagnetic fields were also performed above beds with metal spring mattresses. Results: Breast cancer HR increased with sleep duration in the United States. In Japan, where mainly metal-free mattresses are used, HR decreased with increased sleep duration. Earlier studies on melanoma have identified a strong association between incidence and time spent in body-resonant radiation. All collected data on breast cancer and melanoma show a significant association with sleep duration on wave reflecting metal spring mattresses. Measurements also showed that the electric field increased by distance above the mattress as expected due to standing wave effects. Conclusions: Body-resonant radiation may influence health negatively if concentrated by metal spring mattresses during sleep at night. A simple way to reduce cancer risks may be to exchange the metal spring mattress for a non-metal one like a futon or a foam type. Keywords: Breast cancer, sleep duration, melanoma, prostate cancer, radiation, metal spring mattress, foam mattress |
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The fields of mattresses have nothing to do with wireless signals.
It is just static DC magnetical fields, which can me measured with a magnetometer, or even a compass. It is a typical phenomenon, that metal parts on beds, which do show very little magnetic DC fields when bought, will show heavy of such fields after some time. Like steel support beams in houses, or pipings under the floor. DC magnetic fields as well as DC electrical fields do all belong to elektrosmog. |
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Interesting, Charles - my practical experience has been that wireless/radio-frequency signals can have a lot to do with a bed's perceived emr. I swear that I had no complaints about my 21-year old innerspring mattress - until we installed AT&T WiFi in 2010. It was almost immediately after the installation that I noticed that my bed had become downright uncomfortable to sleep on; not "uncomfortable" in a traditional "ergonomic" way, but "uncomfortable" from an emf-standpoint. The simple act of laying on my bed and trying to get some sleep would give me symptoms that are strongly associated with apparent electromagnetic sensitivity - i.e. heart palpitations, sleeplessness, agitation, a feeling of being "zapped", "head pressure" sensations, etc.. The symptoms that I had from simply being in the house exposed to the WiFi only seemed to be compounded whenever I lay on my bed. It was awful - a bed that had previously given me no problems suddenly became exceedingly difficult to sleep on.
What strengthens the idea that the WiFi had a lot to do with the "conductivity" of my mattress was that - whenever I could manage to turn the router off - my bed seemed to basically return back to "normal". This experience led me to buy into the idea that innerspring mattresses were unhealthy - and were capable of exhibiting an "antenna effect" that can be troublesome for e.s. sufferers, especially. It forced me into a quagmire that I still haven't resolved to this day. Since I basically had no power to get rid of the WiFi (I'm on disability and I live with my parents - and they haven't exactly been understanding of my e.s. issues) - I had to do what was within my power; I got rid of my mattress. I opted for a "wire-free"-type of mattress - a Latex mattress - but that turned out to be a disaster from a chemical-sensitivity/outgassing standpoint. Subsequent attempts to find a tolerable mattress that is within my "means" have been ultimate failures, as well. I'm in an unfortunate limbo. It's ridiculous; I think if it weren't for the AT&T WiFi being so initially God-awful - I would still have my now 24-year-old (fire-retardant-free!) mattress today. I was not in the market for a mattress! Instead - I've been forced to waste a lot of money hunting for a reasonable mattress. But anyway - that's been my experience. Perhaps scientific research doesn't (yet) support my empirical experiences. |
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Hello Svetaswan,
what I described are static magnetic fields. What you describe is something else. Metal surfaces can work like a secondary antenna for electromagnetic waves. So for instance steel reinforcement bars in concrete floors and walls can relay the radiation of the DECT or wireless modem of the neighbour. And so also the metal parts on beds. The elektrosmog family consists of the following: - static electical fields (DC) - static magnetical fields (DC) - alternating electrical fields (AC) - alternating magnetical fields (AC) - electromagnetic waves |
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suggestion, svetaswan....
how about switching from wifi to ethernet? you'll need an ethernet cord from the modem to the computer and you might have to call your internet service provider to ask how to turn off the wifi function on the modem, but then you might have your bed back. ? also, there are covers for mattresses that contain the odors. ? best wishes! love, patricia On Dec 5, 2013, at 10:00 PM, Svetaswan [via ES] wrote: Interesting, Charles - my practical experience has been that wireless/radio-frequency signals can have a lot to do with a bed's perceived emr. I swear that I had no complaints about my 21-year old innerspring mattress - until we installed AT&T WiFi in 2010. It was almost immediately after the installation that I noticed that my bed had become downright uncomfortable to sleep on; not "uncomfortable" in a traditional "ergonomic" way, but "uncomfortable" from an emf-standpoint. The simple act of laying on my bed and trying to get some sleep would give me symptoms that are strongly associated with apparent electromagnetic sensitivity - i.e. heart palpitations, sleeplessness, agitation, a feeling of being "zapped", "head pressure" sensations, etc.. The symptoms that I had from simply being in the house exposed to the WiFi only seemed to be compounded whenever I lay on my bed. It was awful - a bed that had previously given me no problems suddenly became exceedingly difficult to sleep on. |
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Hi Charles - I had typed out a different response, but - with a little bit of time - I realize that I perhaps had misinterpreted your response, so then my "response to your response" no longer seemed completely relevant - lol. So I'll try again...
Simply put - I read your initial post, and perhaps perceived an implication that there was no way that a mattress could be electromagnetically bothersome to electrosensitives. I just didn't want the issue to be dismissed without me weighing in with my perspective that - generally-speaking - the info in Patricia's original post was a legitimate reality. I guess I don't have the expertise to fully realize that you were making fine distinctions between static magnetic fields and "electromagnetic waves". Thanks for the clarification. |
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Hi Patricia - thanks for your suggestions. Perhaps you weren't around (or just don't remember - since there have been so many posts to this forum over the years, and I don't expect people to remember my posting history) when I was talking about the issue with my parents, and explaining how my living situation prevents me from doing certain things that I would otherwise do if I were self-sufficient, and in charge of my own household. Therefore, switching from WiFi to ethernet just hasn't been very feasible - considering the totality of my circumstances.
And the innerspring mattress that started giving me problems has long since been gotten rid of - so it's not possible for me to "get my bed back" even if we got rid of the WiFi. And I haven't found a cover (at least a cover that is reasonably affordable) that sufficiently "blocks" the offgassing of the latex and polyurethane foam. The latex mattress I bought came with a wonderful encasement - but that plush encasement turned out to be woefully inadequate when it came to containing the VOCs. I thought that a fabric that was "less breathable" may work - but the covers that I was able to try that fit this description didn't work. I even tried a plastic food-grade polyethylene encasement that a couple of "health" websites were advertising as being excellent barriers; well, this may have been a good idea in theory, but in practice - it was a disaster. The plastic made the mattress very "slippery" on the foundation - it was sliding all over the place. Also - the plastic made the sleeping-surface awkward and uncomfortable....and, while it seemed to contain much of the fumes, there was something else about the cover itself that activated certain sensitivity symptoms. Perhaps some of my problems stemmed from the fact that the "impenetrable" plastic did not sufficiently dissipate body-heat. It's funny - while I have been quite unlucky when it comes to finding a suitable replacement to my mattress - I've been able to reasonably tolerate the sofas in our den and in our living room (well, the living room sofa recently became less tolerable for some reason). These sofas utilize encased foam cushions, and sit on top of supporting structures that contain metal/springs (though these springs may not "coil" like innersprings). Go figure. I don't know...perhaps my relative tolerance of these sofas may have something to do with the sofas being in larger rooms that have much better air circulation, or perhaps they are higher-quality products. Of course - my Mom won't let me sleep on these sofas...she's very finicky when it comes to how, and how much, her furniture is used. So I've been in a bind (I've had to sneak in sleep whenever and wherever I can). |
Re: Cancer Incidence vs Spring Mattresses
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On December 31, "Svetaswan [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> It's funny - while I have been quite unlucky when it comes to finding a > suitable replacement to my mattress - I've been able to reasonably tolerate > the sofas in our den and in our living room (well, the living room sofa > recently became less tolerable for some reason). These sofas utilize > encased foam cushions, You know, we've had similar problems in our household. The spring mattress is terrible from an ES standpoint but dissipates body heat well, the latex mattresses don't work because they get too hot, and of course, nobody has any problems sleeping on the couch with it's foam cushions! At the moment however, we are sleeping on organic cotton "Shikibutons", which have no metals, but aren't quite as hot as latex, but still hotter than the spring mattress. That may end up being the longterm solution... hard to say... Marc |
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On December 31, "Marc Martin [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> At the moment however, we are sleeping on organic cotton "Shikibutons", which > have no metals, but aren't quite as hot as latex, but still hotter than the > spring mattress. That may end up being the longterm solution... hard to say... Oh, and if you want to see exactly what we are sleeping on, it is this: http://soaringheart.com/collections/organic-mattresses/products/organic-cotton-shikibuton And we've got one on top of the other, as they are rather hard/uncomfortable with just one. Marc |
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While that mattress looks lovely and comfy on that website - it's likely out of the reach of my budget. I don't think I can attempt to scrounge up the money to buy something like that unless I was 500% sure that it would be a good long-term solution (and for $800 - I would expect it to offer sleeping comfort for many years).
And I have explored buying something like this in the past - and I eventually decided that it probably wouldn't work. I was contemplating buying a cotton or wool futon from the White Lotus website - and I purchased several samples. I eventually decided that a mattress consisting of only cotton or wool would not be comfortable for very long - unfortunately, it just doesn't cushion the body like foam. (Though it may have been somewhat difficult to perfectly predict how a full-sized futon would feel - as opposed to the much smaller samples.) For a person of my height, I am unfortunately pretty heavy - which may make it that much more difficult to derive sufficient sleeping comfort from mattresses like this. My weight would compress the mattress too much - and cotton/wool is not all that resilient over the long term. Recently, I bought a block of "Qualux" foam - Qualux foam is supposed to be top-of-the-line foam, so I thought that it may be a more "stable" type of foam that may not offgass as much. Well, after a few "harrowing" days (in which there might have been increased offgassing because it was boxed-up for several days) - things seemed to settle down a bit, and I was able to get *some* sleep on the foam. I didn't really like the fact that I could smell a chemical odor - as an odor is a tangible sign of offgassing VOCs - but for a certain period of time, at least - it seemed fairly tolerable. But after a couple of weeks, I seemed to ruin things when I took a vacuum to the foam - because I had this idea that running a vacuum over the foam would mop up some of the fire retardants that were likely in the foam (recent studies have shown that fire retardants frequently leach out of various household objects, and find their way inside of people's bodies). It turned out to be a stupid idea to take a vacuum to the foam - because instead of making the foam more tolerable as I had hoped, it had the opposite effect. Another mattress disaster! The latest stop in my ridiculous journey to find a decent mattress has been to purchase an air mattress. I bought this mattress weeks ago, but I haven't actually tried it yet - partially due to yet another problem that has reared its head. So for the time being, it's sitting in a box. I really don't know if it will be o.k. from a chemical standpoint - as it is made of yet another synthetic compound (polyvinyl chloride) - but I thought that it was possible that it would be more tolerable than foam. This is what I bought: http://www.amazon.com/AeroBed-Classic-Inflatable-Mattress-Pump/dp/B006FTIY26/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388549169&sr=8-1&keywords=Aerobed |
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On December 31, "Svetaswan [via ES]" <ml-node+s966376n4026994h14@n3.nabble.com> wrote:
> While that mattress looks lovely and comfy on that website - it's likely out > of the reach of my budget. Yes, it is expensive, but lots of mattresses are expensive, especially the ones that don't offgas. Maybe you'll need to settle for some old (and offgassed) couch cushions somewhere! I know that in my own searching, it looks like there might be non-petroleum, non-toxic foams available in the future, but right now they only seem to be available as small samples and airplane seats: http://sscrubber.com/home/our-products/silicone/open-cell-silicone-foam/ Marc |
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When I had my latex mattress, heat-dissipation didn't seem to be much of a problem - I don't remember feeling too "hot" while laying on the mattress....even when summer arrived. The only real problem with my mattress seemed to be the horrible offgassing - which got worse when the weather heated up. Although latex is a rather dense type of foam - the way the mattresses are built seems to help with heat-dissipation. They puncture "holes" into the latex blocks (sorry - a better way of explaining it is escaping me right now - but you probably know what I'm talking about) - which is supposed to facilitate heat dissipation. Perhaps different types of latex dissipate heat differently (i.e. Talalay vs. Dunlop) - or different people experience the mattress differently - but for me, the heat didn't seem to be a problem. Maybe I was distracted by the far bigger problem of offgassing...I don't know. |
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While we are on the topic of pricing - that latex mattress that I had so much trouble with cost almost twice as much as the cotton mattress that you linked to - yet, the "higher-end" price seemed to result in "lower end" offgassing! I happened to buy that mattress when I had the money to spend that much on a mattress (the residuals of my disability backpay) - I don't have that type of money anymore. I see that a lot of conventional mattresses on the market are in the $300 - $800 range - with many falling somewhere right in the middle. So it has been my hope that I could find a decent sleeping surface for somewhere in the lower part of this range - or even less. I guess in this economy, that is a pipe dream. The open-cell silicone foam seems promising - but we'll probably be waiting forever for it to see the light of day. For one thing...will the highly-profitable (for a few) petroleum industry easily let go of its stranglehold of the market? |
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what marc posted - the shikibuton - what we used to call
a "futon", i think - is delicious... i am always careful to sleep on layers of cotton and/or wool, no matter what the mattress is made of. this helps me detach from the underlying structure. it's not easy being a people, is it, svetaswan. bodies can be difficult pets to figure out. it is a VERY intense time on the planet right now - especially exactly right now. the moon in six or so hours will be new and conjunct PLUTO - the planet of transformation, birth and death. may it see the death of our fears and the dawning of our awareness of life apart from the body, as the body is temporary and what we are is forever. i think this time has a great healing potential. best wishes to you and to all here for a very happy 2014. much love, patricia p.s. here's an offer of my free videos of ACIM (A Course in Miracles) lessons online... 365 lessons sign up for the RSS feed for daily email reminders. On Dec 31, 2013, at 7:54 PM, Svetaswan [via ES] wrote: Hi Patricia - thanks for your suggestions. Perhaps you weren't around (or just don't remember - since there have been so many posts to this forum over the years, and I don't expect people to remember my posting history) when I was talking about the issue with my parents, and explaining how my living situation prevents me from doing certain things that I would otherwise do if I were self-sufficient, and in charge of my own household. Therefore, switching from WiFi to ethernet just hasn't been very feasible - considering the totality of my circumstances. |
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that looks good, svetaswan.
i am using an air bed on top of a regular bed. is working well, so far... but as i said, i put layers of cotton and wool between me and the plastic. thick pads of cotton and wool. i am sleeping well on this. love, patricia On Dec 31, 2013, at 10:09 PM, Svetaswan [via ES] wrote: http://www.amazon.com/AeroBed-Classic-Inflatable-Mattress-Pump/dp/B006FTIY26/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388549169&sr=8-1&keywords=Aerobed |
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Svetaswan,
AeroBed is one AWESOME air mattress. I didn't realize what I had until I attempted twice to buy a other brands from the local store. Does this particular one have a multi-type of air inlet/outlet, with a little button in the middle that you can push on to let out little bits of air while you are laying on it, to get it just right? I was just trying to order a replacement as mine finally got a tiny leak and I cannot find this feature in the description. I was looking at that exact one you posted. While I was reading the reviews I realized what a PITA the other brands are and what a treasure AeroBed is. AeroBed is tough and lasts for years. It never loses any air. Once I got it adjusted it was good for months. The other ones I tried, that I bought to take camping, then used under the AeroBed, I think different Coleman models, lasted only months and then got holes, or the baffle thingees ripped and they developed a honking big hernia. Yes, I think AeroBed, being PVC, will stink for a while, mine is so old I can't remember, and it just recently got a pinpoint leak and I've had to use the last Coleman, and it's not as thick and my back is killing me as I cannot let out enough air. The Coleman does stink even after a year, so there is a trick I learned after I unthinkingly loaned my Aerobed to the perfume queen teenager, and I couldn't get the smell out it. There are rolls of black plastic called FrostKing 3 mil and this type of plastic has just the slightest odor for a little while. Wrap the mattress up with it like a christmas package, and seal it with clear packing tape and cut a little circle for the air inlet, and the smell, at least for me, is no longer an issue. Where to air out the Aerobed for a couple of weeks first is a challenge for me. I live with my mom and you said it - you just can't have everything the way you would have it if you lived alone. Last purchase it was summertime and I just left the Coleman out in the yard in the sun for a while, flipped it over, blew it up and deflated it multiple times, and the worst of the stench left it. Then last month when I was forced to use it for my bed, it still stunk and I wrapped it in the black plastic, and put a comforter folded on top for absorbing body moisture, and I took a top sheet, twin size and sewed it into a tube so it fits around the air mattress and the comforter, then no more constant sliding around. It's a five minute job trying to get it back on after washing it but hey, you said it again, the RIDICULOUS contortions we have to put ourselves through ... With an airbed, you don't get the big build up of body heat. I just wish I could find a pillow that doesn't burn me up all night long. Get that thing out of the box and air it out somewhere. If it doesn't work for you, I would volunteer to buy it from you, but I have to get something ordered ASAP. I will tell you it's the only comfortable and affordable thing I could come up with. TRY IT! AND I got some of those yellow gels you mentioned for the computer screen and haven't got one cut the right size yet, and yes they do have a reflection problem, but I got a clue from that and replaced my room light with a bug light, that has the yellow coating and I think it has helped quite a bit. I'm having a flare-up now from too much computer time, but hopefully will go back to feeling some relief soon. Ridiculous, it's all just so ridiculous to have to live like this! Thanks for your tips, Karen > On 12/31/2013 8:09:19 PM, Svetaswan [via ES] ([hidden email]) wrote: The latest stop in my ridiculous journey to find a decent mattress has been to purchase an air mattress. I bought this mattress weeks ago, but I haven't actually tried it yet - partially due to yet another problem that has reared its head. So for the time being, it's sitting in a box. I really don't know if it will be o.k. from a chemical standpoint - as it is made of yet another synthetic compound (polyvinyl chloride) - but I thought that it was possible that it would be more tolerable than foam. This is what I bought: http://www.amazon.com/AeroBed-Classic-Inflatable-Mattress-Pump/dp/B006FTIY26/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388549169&sr=8-1&keywords=Aerobed
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Thanks Patricia - that's encouraging news. I still have yet to try my airbed for a couple of reasons - but one of these days, maybe. The fact that my foundation has a broken "slat" is not encouraging as far as placing my airbed on top of the foundation - but I did have a couple of different beds sitting on top of this broken foundation with no apparent problems, so maybe it could work after all.
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Hi Karen - thanks for the positive run-down on the Aerobed - it's encouraging that another e.s.'er/mcs'er is making do with one. As I said to Patricia, I still haven't tried mine yet - for a number of reasons (some of which I may not be quite sure of). So I'm sorry that I cannot be of more help to you concerning the issues you raised - such as exactly what type of air-inlet/valve it has.
Having had no experience with airbeds, I chose the Aerobed for reasons that you may have imagined and have confirmed - it seems to garner more uniformly-positive reviews than most of the other airbeds. I'm somewhat surprised (or, maybe not - lol) that you mentioned that it has an odor; I don't think any of the Amazon.com reviews mentioned an odor, whereas with some of the other airbeds - there were several complaints/comments about a "chemical" or "plasticy" odor. So I surmised that Aerobed was at least the lesser of the evils as far as that's concerned. Perhaps my thinking was clouded by "wishful thinking" when I concluded that PVC was a material that wouldn't offgass as much as polyurethane foam - that it wouldn't be in a perpetual state of breaking-down. That sounds like quite the adventure you had there with the Coleman airbed as far as containing the "stink". I will keep your solutions in mind should things come to that. Man - I hate how more and more consumer products seem to offgass a disturbing chemical odor - in previous years, many of these same products were manufactured in such a way that they had little-to-no odor. It seems to be a clear sign of worsened manufacturing standards that more products on the market offgass an odor. For example - every time I wash my hair, I use a disposable plastic conditioning cap...and sit there for several minutes with the cap on, letting the conditioner penetrate and "work its magic". I've been doing this for years. About 10 years ago, I bought a pack of conditioning caps that I finally used up in 2012 or 2013. These disposable caps had no chemical odor. Well, when those were used up - I bought some replacement caps at the local Walmart....and I have been quite dismayed at the persistent plasticy/rubbery/chemical odor of these caps. When I place these caps on my head, I sometimes even get similar "chemical sensitivity symptoms" that I get with polyurethane foam mattresses or (synthetic) latex mattresses. I thought that perhaps this was a "Walmart thing" - so I bought some similar disposable conditioning caps from an Amazon.com vendor. Well, what would you know - those caps also had the same odor. Standards have just gone to pot, and we are paying the price. I've also had similar problems with other simple consumer products that are supposed to be innocuous - like plastic pill boxes, and paper towels. The situation with the consumer industry that results in all of these "stinky" products is nuts. I'm glad that the gels/filters have been helpful for you. I need to use mine more often - at least I could use one to warm up the color temperature a bit when I'm using the computer near bedtime. It just so happens that I currently have a tv and a computer with "reasonable" screens (or at least the tv screen can be adjusted to be reasonable). ~Svetaswan |
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And sorry for the delay, guys.
 Various issues often prevent me from getting back to you guys in a timely manner.
~Svetaswan |
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is the odor a 'nice' odor?
i am discovering that many things - including my apple computer shipping box - have a 'nice' odor and i do believe it is not good for me. i try to keep that box closed and as far away as possible. i have smelled it most recently in some plastic lids for mason jars. it appears to be a 'made in china' odor. i read yesterday that their pollution is 8x the world health organization limit. and so our chinese imports bring the pollution here. :( love, patricia On Feb 27, 2014, at 3:55 AM, Svetaswan [via ES] wrote: Hi Karen - thanks for the positive run-down on the Aerobed - it's encouraging that another e.s.'er/mcs'er is making do with one. As I said to Patricia, I still haven't tried mine yet - for a number of reasons (some of which I may not be quite sure of). So I'm sorry that I cannot be of more help to you concerning the issues you raised - such as exactly what type of air-inlet/valve it has. |
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