Buying potassium Iodide in the uk?

snoshoe_2 wrote:
> I don't know about anywhere else, but I can say as of yesterday locally we have a reading of 5mSv (500mrad). I'm in MT. The readings
> have gradually increased since Tue. Local guy has a meter.
>
>  
Wow, I assume that is a per hour measurement?? The normal units on
meters is Micro (u), not Milli (m).

I did get a spike yesterday about noon, and again this morning, of 39
and 44 ur/h (micro rem per hour) respectively. However it was only a
spike, and the next readings were 24,26,20 yesterday, and 8,40,12,22
this morning. Yesterday evening was back down to 12-18, and today is
back to normal, 12-20 ur/h.
So my average is still below 30 ur/h (or 0.03 mrem/h, or 0.30 uSv/h),
but I barely see enough of an elevation to be a possible bit of Japan
drifting past.
The increase was too brief for me to tell if it was normal, and too
small here when I was looking to hit my alarm.

Stewart

Hi Lizzie

I am having this problem even at very small doses. Last time I tried it I put 1 drop of 5 percent lugols into 1 glass of water and took only one teaspoonful of this solution per day. Couple of days later I developed kidney pain with this dose.I am really very worried about this situation.
You say
"A safer way to use Iodine is to use it transdermally- via the skin. Applying
Iodine drops to the belly button or bottom of feet  in SMALL DOSES** only a few  drops at a time, will bypass the kidneys and liver, thereby
being much gentler on organs, such as the kidneys and liver."

Would it by pass kidneys and liver or would it bypass only digestive system.It will still enter blood stream so I don't think it will bypass kidneys and liver. Am I missing something here?
thanks very much for the information you have given.
nil

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  With regards to kidney pain, it is entirely possible that the Iodine is detoxing the body at too fast of a rate, which would over-load the kidneys.
  This happens frequently with oral doses of any chelating substance. A safer way to use Iodine is to use it transdermally- via the skin. Applying
  Iodine drops to the belly button or bottom of feet  in SMALL DOSES** only a few  drops at a time, will bypass the kidneys and liver, thereby
  being much gentler on organs, such as the kidneys and liver. In cases where people are ultra sensitive to supplements, using very low doses
  and applying to skin instead of swallowing, may make supplementation much easier for the body to handle. *This is a case of more is NOT
  always better....start slow and with LOW doses...and try taking the liquid Iodine via the skin. And slowly, very slowly, build up the amt you take.
  Baking Soda , a quarter teaspoon with a glass of water...helps the kidneys tremendouly. Google Mark Sircus Baking Soda/Sodium Bicarbonate
  for more information on this.
  Blessings,
  Lizzie
   

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Thanks snoshoe.
Nil
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  I don't know your pain cause, but what might help your kidneys (I used after auto accident), 1/2t. bakingsoda in glass water and bromelain.

  Box says you can use up to 7x/day on the baking soda for heartburn.

  ~ Snoshoe

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5% Lugol's is very very strong. I normally use 2% and it is Nascent Iodine, a form much easier for the body to metabolize. As for bypassing the kidneys/liver, a better way of saying this would be to say that it is a different metabolizing process. It's not that the Iodine doesn't reach the kidneys etc doing it via the skin-  its more the WAY it is delivered and used in the body. When you take a supplement orally, via the mouth, it enters the body thru the mouth, goes down thru the digestive sytem, but when you take a substance thru the skin, the delivery method is different. It enters the body thru the skin cells and is delivered that way thru the cells. It's a much more gentler on the body.
Using 2% or even 1% and DILUTED in filtered water is what I would try, in your case. Some people when they are just starting on the health journey, their body's are already over loaded..so as Iodine does help cleanse the body, it is quite easy to over load the kidneys...too much is dumped way too fast. This used to happen to me all the time. What I found that helped me, was to do juice and raw veggie fastings, sometimes I would just blend veggies and add alot of FILTERED water, to make the smoothie very liquidy...and I would do this for 2 days , every other week.....I think I did this around 10 times before I started to see a difference. And sometimes I would crush my vitamins/supplements and add them to the smoothie. Solid food has to be digested by the liver. LIquid gives the liver a chance to rest and cleanse.
A bit a warped humor...we have all these holidays..Valentines day, fathers day, etc...but we really need a "give the liver the day off" day. We can do that by juicing or just using a blender to make your veggies liquidy.....the liver is the garbage can of the body. When this gets full...there's no place for the toxins to go. So the kidneys become backed up...over loaded...
BAking Soda, starting with a 1/4 teaspoon for sensitive people, in a glass of water..is a safe way to help the kidneys too.
So if all you have is LUgols, a suggestion would be one drop in 4 oz of filtered water....and apply just one drop of this on the bottom of your feet. Maybe try this AND the Baking Soda, which will help the kidneys. See how this works. You can also soak your feet in BAking Soda...
Lizzie
 


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Hi Lizzie

I am having this problem even at very small doses. Last time I tried it I put 1 drop of 5 percent lugols into 1 glass of water and took only one teaspoonful of this solution per day. Couple of days later I developed kidney pain with this dose.I am really very worried about this situation.
You say
"A safer way to use Iodine is to use it transdermally- via the skin. Applying
Iodine drops to the belly button or bottom of feet in SMALL DOSES** only a few drops at a time, will bypass the kidneys and liver, thereby
being much gentler on organs, such as the kidneys and liver."

Would it by pass kidneys and liver or would it bypass only digestive system.It will still enter blood stream so I don't think it will bypass kidneys and liver. Am I missing something here?
thanks very much for the information you have given.
nil

----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth thode
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 11:25 PM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Buying potassium Iodide in the uk?

With regards to kidney pain, it is entirely possible that the Iodine is detoxing the body at too fast of a rate, which would over-load the kidneys.
This happens frequently with oral doses of any chelating substance. A safer way to use Iodine is to use it transdermally- via the skin. Applying
Iodine drops to the belly button or bottom of feet in SMALL DOSES** only a few drops at a time, will bypass the kidneys and liver, thereby
being much gentler on organs, such as the kidneys and liver. In cases where people are ultra sensitive to supplements, using very low doses
and applying to skin instead of swallowing, may make supplementation much easier for the body to handle. *This is a case of more is NOT
always better....start slow and with LOW doses...and try taking the liquid Iodine via the skin. And slowly, very slowly, build up the amt you take.
Baking Soda , a quarter teaspoon with a glass of water...helps the kidneys tremendouly. Google Mark Sircus Baking Soda/Sodium Bicarbonate
for more information on this.
Blessings,
Lizzie


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Hi, Nil,
 
It is my understanding that iodine sensitivity occurs in celiac disease.  Exactly why, I don't know.  I have celiac disease; do you?  (Or gluten intolerance of a different type?)
 
Diane

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From: nil <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Buying potassium Iodide in the uk?
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Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 7:25 PM


 



Hi Diane
I am also sensitive to iodine. What do you think causes this problem?
thanks
nil
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From: Evie
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Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 9:55 PM
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hi, again,

I am very sensitive to iodine and I like the liquid drops--just put one drop in a large bottle of water and shake up. Then you don't even need to drink the entire bottle of water--just drink a small amount at a time.

Diane


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Interesting Marc,
 
That would account for why celiacs have problems with iodine--leaky gut and bbb would make for more than the usual amounts of toxins.
 
Thanks for the info,
Diane

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Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:45 PM


 



> I am also sensitive to iodine. What do you think causes this problem?

Well they say that some people are allergic to iodine, so that might
account for some problems...

Otherwise, iodine can displace a lot of toxins that are in your body,
so you can have a bad reaction to all of these toxins that have now
entered your bloodstream. If this is the problem, then you should
be able to start out with a low amount and build up over time.

Marc








     

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Thanks very much Lizzie.

That was helpful
Nil
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  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:36 AM
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  5% Lugol's is very very strong. I normally use 2% and it is Nascent Iodine, a form much easier for the body to metabolize. As for bypassing the kidneys/liver, a better way of saying this would be to say that it is a different metabolizing process. It's not that the Iodine doesn't reach the kidneys etc doing it via the skin-  its more the WAY it is delivered and used in the body. When you take a supplement orally, via the mouth, it enters the body thru the mouth, goes down thru the digestive sytem, but when you take a substance thru the skin, the delivery method is different. It enters the body thru the skin cells and is delivered that way thru the cells. It's a much more gentler on the body.
  Using 2% or even 1% and DILUTED in filtered water is what I would try, in your case. Some people when they are just starting on the health journey, their body's are already over loaded..so as Iodine does help cleanse the body, it is quite easy to over load the kidneys...too much is dumped way too fast. This used to happen to me all the

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Hi Diane

I was not tested for Celiac but I do not have many of its symptoms. What I have is long term CFS and leaky gut associated with it.My kidneys and liver is tired.vega test device and saliva test done 10 years ago(I was also sick at that time)said I did not have gluten intolerance but I notice gas when I consume some grains. Not sure if this is wheat intolerance or gluten intolerance but I am thinking this developed later in life during the progression of my illness and related to leaky gut. I have other intolerances too(like lactose and cow milk) and have multiple chemical sensitivity.
best wishes
nil
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  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 10:38 PM
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  Hi, Nil,

  It is my understanding that iodine sensitivity occurs in celiac disease. Exactly why, I don't know. I have celiac disease; do you? (Or gluten intolerance of a different type?)

  Diane
   

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Hi, Nil,

Celiac disease is very difficult to get dxed.  It took me 48 years to be dxed (I had it from infancy).  That said, it is easier now to get dxed than it was 10 years ago.  Some people have silent cd.  About a third of celiacs have no symptoms, but it is found when they are biopsied for various cancers (people with undxed cd are at high risk for stomach, pancreatic, and colon cancers, also mucus membrane--mouth, esophagial cancers, etc).  That was, infact, how I finally was dxed, tho I had symptoms aplenty.  I also had all the problems you mention and many more.  Untreated celiac disease is known to cause other auto-immune diseases, and I had/ have a dozen or more of those.  (Because I refuse to focus my thoughts on this, I have refused to count how many.  I work at doing healthy things, and eating healthy things, but I don't
think about or worry about my many illnesses or else I would have gone
bonkers a long time ago.)  However, it behooves you, if you even suspect gluten intolerance, to make sure you are tracking that down and treating it, because it does lead to further illness and auto-immune disease.

Untreated celiac disease and gluten intolerances can also facilitate ES by helping to damage tight junctions in the gut and blood brain barrier.  Emfs do this, as well, but it is like a double punch when you also have gluten intolerance or celiac disease working toward the same end.  The mistake I see many doing is going mainly gluten-free, but fudging on the little stuff.  Because I also have mast cell proliferation, I have a skin sensitivity to glutens, as well; so I do know when something has gluten in it by touch.  Many celiacs who do not fully respond to the gf diet, are eating questionable products and using glutens in their environments.  Spelt is one of those questionable products.  But there are many.  Airborne glutens can cause problems, as well, if you are a particularly sensitized celiac (and ES would likely qualify you for that category).

Liver disease, and kidney disease (stage 2), diabetes, and chronic bronchial asthma are just some of my other celiac related dxes.  I am able to largely control these, btw, if I am strict about my gluten-free/ and other diet.  I was able to get my blood sugar dialed back to prediabetes levels (105) by an entirely gf/ sugar-free diet, tho I have problems from time to time now, that I can clearly associate with high emfs.  Since emfs also open tight junctions, creating a leaky gut and bbb, and goofing up my autonomic nervous system functions, my blood sugar sometimes now responds to that, as well.  I can control this as well, often, with nutrient supplementation aimed at closing my tjs, but there is no question that an emf-free environment works best for me.

After going completely gluten-free--down to removal of every bit of gluten from my environment, including rye grass and gf contaminated toiletries, I overcame fibromyalgia within a year (fibro once in awhile comes back for a day when I have bad emf exposure or a gluten accident--about 4 X a year or so), and I overcame chronic fatigue syndrome within three years (and the same with cfs episodes--this also can happen with emfs and gluten accidents; however, I can take supplements which help me get over these quickly.)  There was a bit more to recovering from cfs, including treating bad gut flora and other food intolerances, learning how to re-train my body to do exercise and taking supplements that revived my mitochondria, etc.  CFS has alot to do with alkalization and voltage, imo.  I didn't know exactly what I was doing when I did it--I self experimented alot.  But there is now a protocol which is almost exactly what I did on my own--Dr Tennant's
 "Healing is Voltage".  I took hydrogen supplements (of which NADH was one type), and alkalized my water for a couple years.  Hydrogen supplementation helps you increase your stamina and energy, but you have to do all of this in a specific sequence, or you will keep "hitting the wall".  For me personally, calcium AEP and pantethine supplementation were also necessary, and (but to a much less extent) still are.  Today, I am normal in my energy levels.  My energy only flags when emfs are bad (or I have a gluten-accident or very bad other exposure to pesticides/ chemicals).  I have learned to "ground" myself, so to speak, to deal with these times. 

You should try, Nil, to further track down your gluten intolerance, because you can certainly see a lot more healing by fully treating it, if it is one of your problems.  The only area, infact, I have not been able to see substantial healing in, is MCS.  I remain as sensitive (or perhaps even more sensitive) to particular unnatural environmental exposures as ever.  MCS also had its roots in my untreated celiac disease.  I am not saying all MCS is celiac disease related (or all CFS or FM is related, etc).  There are other causes.  However, if gluten intolerance is YOUR cause, you will not overcome these without treating gluten intolerance (of which celiac disease is just one type) first. 

Anyone with "our type" of ES likely also has a tight junction permeability gene.  CD and GIs are genetic.  TJ permeability is also genetic.  (CD genes + TJ permeability gene + gluten = Celiac disease; GI genes + TJ perm gene + gluten = Gluten intolerance.)  ES, or at least particular types of ES, are also probably genetic.  But closing the tight junctions means treating all related conditions for which you have related genes, successfully; not just addressing ES tight junction deficits.

Sorry this is so long.  I don't know a way to express this in a more concise manner.  ;)

I wish you health,
Diane

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      Hi Diane



I was not tested for Celiac but I do not have many of its symptoms. What I have is long term CFS and leaky gut associated with it.My kidneys and liver is tired.vega test device and saliva test done 10 years ago(I was also sick at that time)said I did not have gluten intolerance but I notice gas when I consume some grains. Not sure if this is wheat intolerance or gluten intolerance but I am thinking this developed later in life during the progression of my illness and related to leaky gut. I have other intolerances too(like lactose and cow milk) and have multiple chemical sensitivity.

best wishes

nil

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  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 10:38 PM

  Subject: Re: [eSens] Buying potassium Iodide in the uk?



Hi, Nil,



It is my understanding that iodine sensitivity occurs in celiac disease. Exactly why, I don't know. I have celiac disease; do you? (Or gluten intolerance of a different type?)



Diane

   



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