Brain surge

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> Hi Renee,
> > I have been looking as more rural areas to move, but is challenging to
> be so far away from my place of work, given gas costs and commute time and
> hassle.
> > Always is the question - how far away to get from the city to be free
> enough from emf effects, given the technology is continually encroaching on
> open space?
> >
> That is a hard tradeoff. The commute is far from quiet, with the cars
> emitting more and more radar and WiFi, plus driving by towers, power
> lines. I don't consider this good for health.
>
> Then there are plans to recharge electric vehicles by energizing a grid
> in the road, a magnetic field, for induction, and wireless transfer of
> power. Plus linking vehicles together with WiFi so they drive as one. It
> is like a bad episode of Mad Scientists.
>
> How far to get away? That is the question everybody here has been
> asking, at one point or another, we are all pushed into moving, or get
> worse where we are, in a bad situation.
> For a decade I have said 1.5 miles from a tower, and 300 ft from
> neighbors. Time and experience have drilled home that that is not enough
> after all, with the new technologies. A rural tower 7 miles away, in
> line of sight, is very loud. Neighbors with WiFi can be detected 2360
> ft. away, but I'm measuring and feeling the tolerable line is closer to
> 1200 ft. Look for a place with background levels below 0.03 V/m, and
> where the steady whine from towers can not be heard.
> If the levels are 0.06 V/m or higher, that is into the yellow caution
> zone, and more likely to get worse in future years.
>
> > Seems like a faraday cage around a sleeping cot might be a good partial
> solution as I can economize by using less shielding fabric. Getting good
> sleep is so essential.
> Yes, a shielding canopy is helpful. As long as the field strength is not
> too high, in which case the shielding becomes inadequate, and seems to
> have side effects, especially if not grounded properly.
>
> Stewart
> http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html
>
>  
>

>
> steve, how big is your space?  
> the NIG covers quite a bit of territory.
> what i do when i want air cleaning
> but don't want to have a NIG near me
> (due to it biting my eyes or nose)
> is that i use it only when i am not
> in the room.  or i just give it space
> to do its thing away from me.  in my
> condo, it was on the upstairs bannister
> but it cleaned the entire house.  i could
> tell when it was off for a while.  it kept
> down all the things you speak of -
> particles and mold... but i never had it
> in my immediate space.  placing it high
> up is a good thing to do... running it
> while you are gone... running it in
> another room, but having an open door
> to that room...  i move mine to where
> it seems that help is needed.  
> love, patricia
>
> --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote:
>
> ...> I bought the negative ionizer that someone recommended here-it gives off no emfs at all but may be a little much for my senstivie sinuses.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Steve
> >
>

>
> Hi Renee,
> > I have been looking as more rural areas to move, but is challenging to be so far away from my place of work, given gas costs and commute time and hassle.  
> > Always is the question - how far away to get from the city to be free enough from emf effects, given the technology is continually encroaching on open space?
> >  
> That is a hard tradeoff. The commute is far from quiet, with the cars
> emitting more and more radar and WiFi, plus driving by towers, power
> lines. I don't consider this good for health.
>
> Then there are plans to recharge electric vehicles by energizing a grid
> in the road, a magnetic field, for induction, and wireless transfer of
> power. Plus linking vehicles together with WiFi so they drive as one. It
> is like a bad episode of Mad Scientists.
>
> How far to get away? That is the question everybody here has been
> asking, at one point or another, we are all pushed into moving, or get
> worse where we are, in a bad situation.
> For a decade I have said 1.5 miles from a tower, and 300 ft from
> neighbors. Time and experience have drilled home that that is not enough
> after all, with the new technologies. A rural tower 7 miles away, in
> line of sight, is very loud. Neighbors with WiFi can be detected 2360
> ft. away, but I'm measuring and feeling the tolerable line is closer to
> 1200 ft. Look for a place with background levels below 0.03 V/m, and
> where the steady whine from towers can not be heard.
> If the levels are 0.06 V/m or higher, that is into the yellow caution
> zone, and more likely to get worse in future years.
>
>
>
> > Seems like a faraday cage around a sleeping cot might be a good partial solution as I can economize by using less shielding fabric. Getting good sleep is so essential.
> Yes, a shielding canopy is helpful. As long as the field strength is not
> too high, in which case the shielding becomes inadequate, and seems to
> have side effects, especially if not grounded properly.
>
> Stewart
> http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html
>

>
> And go where?
> I find it interesting to talk to (email) other EHS sufferers and
> refugees in other countries as well as from across the US, and I hear
> Their countries and neighbors are adopting the goodie-fun toys being
> promoted here. Africa is sprouting towers to skip the copper-wire
> telephone infrastructure. New Zealand wants to be just like us, (no
> peaceful middle earth hobbiton there)... Even has bouncers with guns
> making sure there are no squatters in the Protected wilderness areas.
>
> The only places left are really remote spots that have no people living
> there because it is inhospitable and no food or water (thinking of
> outback of central Australia or the middle of Pacific Ocean or 10+ feet
> of snow in the interior of NE British Columbia) not to mention satellite
> coverage of microwaves from space.
>
> Please, point out somewhere still not going under.
>
> Stewart
>
>
> iamhamsa wrote:
> > My longer range goal is to get out of the US altogether.
> >
>

>
> hi, steve.  sounds like you have it all figured out.      
>
> --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote:
> >
> > I have one in my living room and one in my bedroom. Not sure of the square footage but I'm going to turn off the one in the bedroom. I live in an apt. and 2 may be too much.
> > I do notice cleaner air so I may just run the one in the living room and if it bothers me when I'm there do what you said.
> > I have the mold test kit and it detected zero mold, which might be due to the fact that I have blueair air cleaners running in both rooms.
> > The blueair are OK but the filters give off an odor when new and the air didn't smell as fresh as I'd like. I live off an alley and lots of grime gets in.
> > Steve
>

>
> the negative ion generator should help with the odor.
>
> and, for what it's worth, this is what someone told me once:  
> put the NIG in a cardboard box large enough to accommodate
> the offending odor maker - filter or entire machine -
> and run it for a good long time - until the odor is gone.
> might take an hour - might take a day.  
> unless the material in the filter is so raunchy that
> nothing will 'fix' it - in which case i think i would send
> the thing back to its maker.  :)  
> love, patricia
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2012, at 10:54 AM, torch369 wrote:
>
> > I know, but once the smell clears out after a week it seems to help
>

>
> hi, steve.  
>
> i heard that in japan they use silver for air cleaner filters.  
> i did a search for : silver air cleaner filters :
> and got lots of resources.  if the odor lingers, you might
> want to see if they make a silver filter for your machine.  ???  
> in my eyes, silver might be safer than propylene.  
>
> see these symptoms for propylene health effects on this page:
> http://www.totalrefiningchemicals.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/GPS%20SAFETY%20SUMMARIES/GPS-Safety-Summary-PROPYLENE.pdf
> i pray you don't have any of them.  
>
> my fear is that manufacturers are not all that conscientious
> about their products.  i learned this from wearing women's
> shoes.  :)  very few shoemakers make shoes that fit feet...
> many make shoes that mold your feet to their unrealistic
> expectations... it's called 'fashion'.  :)  
>
> love, patricia
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2012, at 7:38 AM, torch369 wrote:
>
> > Interesting. I give a week for the odor to dissipate, if it took longer than that I would return the thing. It's not a HEPA filter, it's electrostatic. They say its made from non toxic propylene.
> > Steve
>

>
> On December 11, torch369 <torch369@...> wrote:
> > I'm searching around for a metal air cleaners that uses HEPA and maybe charcoal filters.
>
> Have you looked at Austin Air?  Those are metal, HEPA (I think!), and use charcoal.
> I'm sure that these generate a lot of EMF, though.
>
> After trying out virtually every air cleaning technology on the market, I settled on
> Biozone, which use UV bulbs that generate ozone.  I use the older models that
> didn't have a fan (the newer ones all have a fan, I think)
>
> Marc
>

>
> well, maybe i should add:  
> turn the NIG on and
> leave the two in the box for a day.  
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Patricia Robinett wrote:
>
> > steve, try putting the filters in a cardboard box with a negative ion generator.  
> > that works to de-odorize many things.  
> > patricia
>