Best cell phone protection besides abstinence :)??

> Have these Quantum products been scientifically tested?

Searching around, I found the following web page:

  http://www.upgradingtechnology.com/research.html

Although they never say "Quantum Products" on this
page (instead saying "Coherence Technologies"),
these are the inhouse studies they have done with
the items from Quantum Products.

Marc

Interesting article, thanks Marc.
I have a question for you. Do you think you are more sensitive
to dirty electricity? I've been wondering that for awhile now.
Specifically if the products you use that are working so well,
are mostly targeted at elelctrical energies, and not necessarily
micro waves. (although I could be wrong- which is why i'm asking)
Lizzie



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> Have these Quantum products been scientifically tested?

Searching around, I found the following web page:

http://www.upgradingtechnology.com/research.html

Although they never say "Quantum Products" on this
page (instead saying "Coherence Technologies"),
these are the inhouse studies they have done with
the items from Quantum Products.

Marc



     

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> I have a question for you. Do you think you are more sensitive
> to dirty electricity? I've been wondering that for awhile now.
> Specifically if the products you use that are working so well,
> are mostly targeted at elelctrical energies, and not necessarily
> micro waves.

Historically my ES problems have been mostly around computers
and florescent lights, which the Quantum Products have dealt
with quite well.  

However, I must say that when I'm out & about, I *do* immediately
notice the Wi-Fi and Smart Phone signals around me.  They are
not incapacitating or anything, but the closer they are to me
(or the more of them), the more I'm bothered.  However, these
are usually in places where I don't have a Quantum Pro plugged
in.  So it's hard to say if they would help with that or not.

I will say that I'm not bothered much by the neighbors
Wi-Fi signals in my own house, where we do have a couple items
from Quantum Products active 24/7 (power strips and Quantum Pro).
And as I've mentioned before, there are about 20+ Wi-Fi sources
that my laptop can detect inside my house.

So, I don't really have any clear answers to that question,
sorry...

Marc

Don't fluorescent lights put out a magnetic field? Isn't it the ballast part
on them? Anyone know? Or is it the dirty electricity they put out.
I thought I read the quantum pro you used, you carried it in your pocket.
Must have been mistaken. You plug it in. What is it you carry in your
pocket? Or am I thinking of someone else?
Lizzie
 



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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:14:57 -0800
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> I have a question for you. Do you think you are more sensitive
> to dirty electricity? I've been wondering that for awhile now.
> Specifically if the products you use that are working so well,
> are mostly targeted at elelctrical energies, and not necessarily
> micro waves.

Historically my ES problems have been mostly around computers
and florescent lights, which the Quantum Products have dealt
with quite well.

However, I must say that when I'm out & about, I *do* immediately
notice the Wi-Fi and Smart Phone signals around me. They are
not incapacitating or anything, but the closer they are to me
(or the more of them), the more I'm bothered. However, these
are usually in places where I don't have a Quantum Pro plugged
in. So it's hard to say if they would help with that or not.

I will say that I'm not bothered much by the neighbors
Wi-Fi signals in my own house, where we do have a couple items
from Quantum Products active 24/7 (power strips and Quantum Pro).
And as I've mentioned before, there are about 20+ Wi-Fi sources
that my laptop can detect inside my house.

So, I don't really have any clear answers to that question,
sorry...

Marc



     

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> Don't fluorescent lights put out a magnetic field? Isn't it the ballast part
> on them? Anyone know? Or is it the dirty electricity they put out.

I'm sure florescent lights have all sorts of problems, including a imbalanced
spectrum of light output, and offgassing of mercury vapor... :-)

> I thought I read the quantum pro you used, you carried it in your pocket.
> Must have been mistaken. You plug it in. What is it you carry in your
> pocket? Or am I thinking of someone else?

No, you're thinking of me... the Quantum Companion is something you carry
in your pocket.  It runs on a AA battery.  It's not very strong.  Certainly
not strong enough to overcome being in a crowd of iPhone users.  Or
a computer, for that matter.

The Quantum Pro is something you plug into a wall socket, and it "treats"
a fairly wide diameter (as in 50 ft).  It may very well be powerful
enough to overcome a neighborhood of wi-fi.  And good in an work office
environment, which would be truly nasty otherwise.

They also sell Quantum Power conditioners, which are power strips that
you can plug into power outlets (100v/60hz).  These are somewhere in
between the Companion and Pro in strength, and are the "best bang for
the buck" (they are stronger and cheaper than the Quantum Companion,
but not at all portable).

They also sell the Quantum Byte software for Windows PCs.  A rather
baffling piece of software.  Seems weaker than a Quantum power
conditioner, but at least you can install it on a laptop computer
which makes it a bit more portable.

I'm not sure if the company has come out with anything new in
recent years.  They don't maintain their website very well, and
one gets the impression they only have a few people working
there.

Marc

Have you ever had occasion where you used the Quantum Pro batt operated
in an area with mostly dirty electricity...Curious. I know, I know, today's world
is chock full of wireless...but you've used it for awhile now..you've a good memory
for different exposures/backgrounds.
Lizzie
 



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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:55:25 -0800
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> Don't fluorescent lights put out a magnetic field? Isn't it the ballast part
> on them? Anyone know? Or is it the dirty electricity they put out.

I'm sure florescent lights have all sorts of problems, including a imbalanced
spectrum of light output, and offgassing of mercury vapor... :-)

> I thought I read the quantum pro you used, you carried it in your pocket.
> Must have been mistaken. You plug it in. What is it you carry in your
> pocket? Or am I thinking of someone else?

No, you're thinking of me... the Quantum Companion is something you carry
in your pocket. It runs on a AA battery. It's not very strong. Certainly
not strong enough to overcome being in a crowd of iPhone users. Or
a computer, for that matter.

The Quantum Pro is something you plug into a wall socket, and it "treats"
a fairly wide diameter (as in 50 ft). It may very well be powerful
enough to overcome a neighborhood of wi-fi. And good in an work office
environment, which would be truly nasty otherwise.

They also sell Quantum Power conditioners, which are power strips that
you can plug into power outlets (100v/60hz). These are somewhere in
between the Companion and Pro in strength, and are the "best bang for
the buck" (they are stronger and cheaper than the Quantum Companion,
but not at all portable).

They also sell the Quantum Byte software for Windows PCs. A rather
baffling piece of software. Seems weaker than a Quantum power
conditioner, but at least you can install it on a laptop computer
which makes it a bit more portable.

I'm not sure if the company has come out with anything new in
recent years. They don't maintain their website very well, and
one gets the impression they only have a few people working
there.

Marc



     

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> Have you ever had occasion where you used the Quantum Pro batt operated
> in an area with mostly dirty electricity...Curious. I know, I know, today's world
> is chock full of wireless...but you've used it for awhile now..you've a good memory
> for different exposures/backgrounds.

I'm sure I've used these under all sorts of environments in the past 10+ years,
but cellphone towers have been in existence all that time, and I'm not one who
carries all sorts of EMF meters around with me determining exactly what is
in the air.  

I personally think they work well with dirty electricity, but you need to use
the non-portable, plug in devices for that to be really effective.  And
since the effect builds up over time, you need to have those devices in
place for a few days to get the full effect.

Marc

> > 1. Does it work somewhat like sound cancelling?
>
> >Quantum Products are supposed to work using "Quantum
> >Coherence", which is a type of noise reduction using
> >Quantum Physics.  There are some other products that
> >advertise themselves as working in a similar/same way...
> >for example, Vinny Pinto's Coherent Space prototype
> >devices:

Just before reading your post mentioning the coherence effect of the  of the Quantum products I was looking at researh relating to EMFs and oxidative stress, among other things, and I came across a paper titled: "Electromagnetic noise inhibits radiofrequency radiation-induced DNA damage and reactive oxygen species increase in human lens epithelial cells". See:

http://www.molvis.org/molvis/v14/a114/


Here's a piece from the paper:
"How does the electromagnetic field affect the biologic system? Litovitz et al. [30-33] proposed that living cells exist in an electrically noisy environment and these endogenous thermal noise fields are larger than those exogenous EMFs reported to cause effects. They suggested that only the EMFs that are temporally and spatially coherent such as radiofrequency fields could affect living cells while endogenous thermal noise fields, which cells do not respond to, were temporally and spatially incoherent. Coherence was an essential character for EMFs to cause bioeffects, which means the characteristic parameters of EMFs are constant over a period of time (>~10 s) [30-34]. It was speculated that when an incoherent random noise field is superimposed on a coherent EMF signal, any observed EMF-induced bioeffects would be suppressed. A few observations [34-36] have supported this theory. In this experiment, the cellular effects induced by acute microwave radiation were mitigated by superposing with electromagnetic noise in vitro. Further investigation on the temporal-and-spatial coherency hypothesis is required on different cell types and different doses as well as on modulations of RF EMFs."

Some other papers that it mentions

Litovitz TA, Penafiel LM, Farrel JM, Krause D, Meister R, Mullins JM. Bioeffects induced by exposure to microwaves are mitigated by superposition of ELF noise. Bioelectromagnetics. 1997; 18:422-30.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9261539?dopt=abstract
 

Litovitz TA, Montrose CJ, Doinov P, Brown KM, Barber M. Superimposing spatially coherent electromagnetic noise inhibits field-induced abnormalities in developing chick embryos. Bioelectromagnetics. 1994; 15:105-13. [PMID: 8024603]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8024603?dopt=abstract


Not sure if these have any links to the the quantum technology, but some scientific papers do exist showing the use of electromagnetic noise to inhibit EMR damage.

Sean.

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

> Litovitz TA, Montrose CJ, Doinov P, Brown KM, Barber M. Superimposing spatially
> coherent electromagnetic noise inhibits field-induced abnormalities in developing
> chick embryos. Bioelectromagnetics. 1994; 15:105-13. [PMID: 8024603]

Also potentially relevant -- my nutritionist/doctor has recently become interested
in using lasers, and has found that if one "sweeps" a room with a portable
handheld laser (not sure if the type of laser matters), EMF sensitive people
feel better in that room after the "treatment".

A laser is, of course, a "coherent" light source.

She also said that Dr. Klinghardt has been recently teaching a seminar on a
sweeping laser ("k-sweep") that makes EMF sensitive people feel better during
the seminar.

Marc