BIOPROTECT CARD

Hi Everyone!

I finally got around to ordering my bioprotect card and it arrived this morning. Since opening the package I have been trying not to be too cynical, but the more I look at the thing I am wondering if I have been scammed or conned? It seems to be a piece of thin blue coloured cardboard with the word bioprotect printed on it in gold lettering and the whole thing has been encased in a thin plastic laminate. I can't see where the supposed "information" it is supposed to carry could be stored, encrypted or printed. So I'm thinking I should just send it back fairly quickly since you get 2 weeks to return it - which isn't a long time.

Before I do, I was wondering, is there anyone in the group (who doesn't have links to the organisation which produces and sells these cards), who might have tried these cards or could vouch for them having some sort of effect? Charles, do you know anything about this product? Would you expect it tobe as I have described it here and does it do anything?

Many thanks

Steph

Hello Stephanie,

yes, I do know the Bioprotect card very well.

I advise it to all my electrosensible customers, and tell them where to buy
it, because I myself do not sell anything.

For my wife, we have tried a lot of *things*, but from all of them, the
BioProtect came out as best and most affordable. ( f.i. the BioElectrical
Shield, the Nabat, the Springlife Polariser, the Wikroma amulet, etc.)
When Ido house investigations, I have a small container with me, with those
things, and let my customers try them.
When they feel them with their hands, and hang them on, most people prefer
the BioProtect card.
Some do feel an improvement instantly.

On: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina164b.html just above the image of the
card, there is an english article which describes the card.

I know what this card contains, and what is its principle of working, so I
can assure you, that it is no scam.

However, it is my opinion, that this card only works within some degree of
electrosensibility.
If you are sunken too deep, it does not work suuficiently.
And persons, who are not electrosensible, may experience adverse effects
like headaches.

But first of all, start *cleaning* your body with a detox system (f.i. ionic
foot spa), liver cleansing à la Hulda Clark, etc.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton



----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephanie Smith" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:47 PM
Subject: [eSens] BIOPROTECT CARD

Hello Charles
 
Thank you very much  for this [very quick!] and informative post. I have checked out the link to your site and looked at the leaflet in English and think it is worth a try. Forgive my cynicism /scepticism, its just as a desperate Esser I feel a bit vulnerable to the "snake oil" salesmen out there. I will place it beneath my bed tonight which will be a good test and seewhat happens. Thanks also for the detoxing advice. i am trying to detox and feel that my liver pathways may not be working the best so a liver cleanse may help me.
 
Many thanks for your response.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

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Hello Stephanie,

yes, I do know the Bioprotect card very well.

I advise it to all my electrosensible customers, and tell them where to buy
it, because I myself do not sell anything.

For my wife, we have tried a lot of *things*, but from all of them, the
BioProtect came out as best and most affordable. ( f.i. the BioElectrical
Shield, the Nabat, the Springlife Polariser, the Wikroma amulet, etc.)
When Ido house investigations, I have a small container with me, with those
things, and let my customers try them.
When they feel them with their hands, and hang them on, most people prefer
the BioProtect card.
Some do feel an improvement instantly.

On: http://www.milieuzi ektes.nl/ Pagina164b. html just above the image of the
card, there is an english article which describes the card.

I know what this card contains, and what is its principle of working, so I
can assure you, that it is no scam.

However, it is my opinion, that this card only works within some degree of
electrosensibility.
If you are sunken too deep, it does not work suuficiently.
And persons, who are not electrosensible, may experience adverse effects
like headaches.

But first of all, start *cleaning* your body with a detox system (f.i. ionic
foot spa), liver cleansing à la Hulda Clark, etc.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Norton

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From: "Stephanie Smith" <reader41@ymail. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:47 PM
Subject: [eSens] BIOPROTECT CARD

















     

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Hello Stephanie,

I do not think that placing the card under your bed is a good idea.

Normally it should be worn close to the body (because it needs the infrared
emanating from your body).
Most women wear it in their bra, or even in their shoes.
Horizontally it has a bit more effect than vertically.

When I am going to places where a lot of elektrosmog is supposed to be, I
wear this card in a plactic bank pass (credit card) holder, on which I have
placed a cord, to hang it around my neck, and the card hangs on my solar
plexis.

Most engineers find this hocuspocus, because they do not understand the
biological implications of longitudinal waves, which are in the Terahertz
Region.

Most professionals admit THAT some symptons may occur by electromagnetic
fields, but becaus they do not understand HOW those symptoms can occur, they
find electrosensibility unreal.

On lectures, I feel the thumbs of some people and ask them what they feel.
They reply: nothing!
When I feel my own thumb, I also do not feel anything.
Then I hit my thumb with a hammer (as a matter of speaking), and when I come
near my thumb, I feel already pain.
Most ES studies are done on healthy thumbs, and no effects were found.
Only when studies are done on hammered thumbs, one can learn someting.
However, most scientists claim, that they do not understand why the hammered
thumb has this blue color. They do not know why it hasn't got the color
yellow or orange, or another color. Because they do not understand, I should
not feel pain at all.
That is the point with those scientists regarding electrosensibles.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton






----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephanie Smith" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] BIOPROTECT CARD


Hello Charles

Thank you very much for this [very quick!] and informative post. I have
checked out the link to your site and looked at the leaflet in English and
think it is worth a try. Forgive my cynicism /scepticism, its just as a
desperate Esser I feel a bit vulnerable to the "snake oil" salesmen out
there. I will place it beneath my bed tonight which will be a good test and
see what happens. Thanks also for the detoxing advice. i am trying to detox
and feel that my liver pathways may not be working the best so a liver
cleanse may help me.

Many thanks for your response.

Best wishes

Steph

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wrote:


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Hello Stephanie,

yes, I do know the Bioprotect card very well.

I advise it to all my electrosensible customers, and tell them where to buy
it, because I myself do not sell anything.

For my wife, we have tried a lot of *things*, but from all of them, the
BioProtect came out as best and most affordable. ( f.i. the BioElectrical
Shield, the Nabat, the Springlife Polariser, the Wikroma amulet, etc.)
When Ido house investigations, I have a small container with me, with those
things, and let my customers try them.
When they feel them with their hands, and hang them on, most people prefer
the BioProtect card.
Some do feel an improvement instantly.

On: http://www.milieuzi ektes.nl/ Pagina164b. html just above the image of
the
card, there is an english article which describes the card.

I know what this card contains, and what is its principle of working, so I
can assure you, that it is no scam.

However, it is my opinion, that this card only works within some degree of
electrosensibility.
If you are sunken too deep, it does not work suuficiently.
And persons, who are not electrosensible, may experience adverse effects
like headaches.

But first of all, start *cleaning* your body with a detox system (f.i. ionic
foot spa), liver cleansing à la Hulda Clark, etc.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Norton

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From: "Stephanie Smith" <reader41@ymail. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:47 PM
Subject: [eSens] BIOPROTECT CARD



















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Hello Charles
 
THank you for this. I'm glad you replied because I have still more questions to ask - sorry!!
 
I wore the card yesterday, and seemed to do quite well . I didn't have the "strong" reaction [or the "healing reaction"] which the website i bought itfrom [www.golden-ray.com] said I might experience. I don't know what that tells me - perhaps that my level of electrosensitivity is lower than I had thought, if so that is some good news for me. I hadn't seen this post last night so when I went to bed I placed the card beneat the bed, but felt nothing, then I placed it beside my bed which seemed to be ok. I looked at the website where I bought it just now and their advice was to place it horizontally on a flat wooden sueface to get the 15m radius dome of shielding. I am going to try this tonight [i'll wear it on my person during the day], butthat then wouldn't match up with your advice that it needs the infrared emanating from the body.
 
I have 2 questions which you might be able to answer based on your experience.
 
1. George Carlo has said that some devices designed to help people cope with electrosmog can eventually cause more harm to an individual than good andcan end up making them worse. As you know the principles on how this bioprotect card works, do you think it falls into this category Dr Carlo is talking about.
 
2. Have you any experience of people using the large Bioprotect 400 card which is supposed to offer 400m radius of protection?
 
I am sure I can come up with a lot more questions given time!! [LOL] but would be very grateful for any advice you would have on these questions.
 
Many thanks
 
Steph

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Hello Stephanie,

I do not think that placing the card under your bed is a good idea.

Normally it should be worn close to the body (because it needs the infrared
emanating from your body).
Most women wear it in their bra, or even in their shoes.
Horizontally it has a bit more effect than vertically.

When I am going to places where a lot of elektrosmog is supposed to be, I
wear this card in a plactic bank pass (credit card) holder, on which I have
placed a cord, to hang it around my neck, and the card hangs on my solar
plexis.

Most engineers find this hocuspocus, because they do not understand the
biological implications of longitudinal waves, which are in the Terahertz
Region.

Most professionals admit THAT some symptons may occur by electromagnetic
fields, but becaus they do not understand HOW those symptoms can occur, they
find electrosensibility unreal.

On lectures, I feel the thumbs of some people and ask them what they feel.
They reply: nothing!
When I feel my own thumb, I also do not feel anything.
Then I hit my thumb with a hammer (as a matter of speaking), and when I come
near my thumb, I feel already pain.
Most ES studies are done on healthy thumbs, and no effects were found.
Only when studies are done on hammered thumbs, one can learn someting.
However, most scientists claim, that they do not understand why the hammered
thumb has this blue color. They do not know why it hasn't got the color
yellow or orange, or another color. Because they do not understand, I should
not feel pain at all.
That is the point with those scientists regarding electrosensibles.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephanie Smith" <reader41@ymail. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] BIOPROTECT CARD

Hello Charles

Thank you very much for this [very quick!] and informative post. I have
checked out the link to your site and looked at the leaflet in English and
think it is worth a try. Forgive my cynicism /scepticism, its just as a
desperate Esser I feel a bit vulnerable to the "snake oil" salesmen out
there. I will place it beneath my bed tonight which will be a good test and
see what happens. Thanks also for the detoxing advice. i am trying to detox
and feel that my liver pathways may not be working the best so a liver
cleanse may help me.

Many thanks for your response.

Best wishes

Steph

--- On Thu, 16/4/09, charles@milieuziekt es.be <charles@milieuziekt es.be>
wrote:

From: charles@milieuziekt es.be <charles@milieuziekt es.be>
Subject: Re: [eSens] BIOPROTECT CARD
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 1:11 PM

Hello Stephanie,

yes, I do know the Bioprotect card very well.

I advise it to all my electrosensible customers, and tell them where to buy
it, because I myself do not sell anything.

For my wife, we have tried a lot of *things*, but from all of them, the
BioProtect came out as best and most affordable. ( f.i. the BioElectrical
Shield, the Nabat, the Springlife Polariser, the Wikroma amulet, etc.)
When Ido house investigations, I have a small container with me, with those
things, and let my customers try them.
When they feel them with their hands, and hang them on, most people prefer
the BioProtect card.
Some do feel an improvement instantly.

On: http://www.milieuzi ektes.nl/ Pagina164b. html just above the image of
the
card, there is an english article which describes the card.

I know what this card contains, and what is its principle of working, so I
can assure you, that it is no scam.

However, it is my opinion, that this card only works within some degree of
electrosensibility.
If you are sunken too deep, it does not work suuficiently.
And persons, who are not electrosensible, may experience adverse effects
like headaches.

But first of all, start *cleaning* your body with a detox system (f.i. ionic
foot spa), liver cleansing à la Hulda Clark, etc.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Norton

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From: "Stephanie Smith" <reader41@ymail. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:47 PM
Subject: [eSens] BIOPROTECT CARD

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Hello Stephanie,

first of all George Carlo is a nice person, but *he does not know what make
electrosensibles tick*.

That is the point most technicians have. They all talk about Wattage, that
is the strength of a signal, which must have a minimum in order to have any
adverse health effect, they say.
That is rubbish.

It is not the strength of a signal which is the pertinent part, but it is
the information this signal is carrying.

I do know persons who can stand very strong DECT signals, but fall apart
with very tiny other DECT signals.
I still have not found out what is the reason for this may be.
Overhere DECT runs from 1880-1900 MHz, and the pulsrate is 100 Hz.

It is a matter of longitudinal waves, a very controversial issue, but that
is the case. They are somewhere in the TeraHertz region, where also the
cosmic rays are present.
Cosmic rays do come from the earth as welle as from space, and we do need
them for living.
The artificial radiation does disturb these rays.
And *things* like the Bioprotect card can enhance and neutralize this in a
special way.
Our body reacts to this. That can be measured.
All of those *things* do nothing with the normal radiation, the transversal
waves, which we can measure and from which we can shield ourselves partly,
because the longitudinal waves pass right through shieldings.

The BioProtect 400 card is seldomly used.
In some cases for earth beams.

Now regarding other *things*.
Here Dr. Carlo is right.
Things that contain cristals may become satisfied after some time and start
radiating negative information.
We experienced that for instance with the BioElectrical Shield, which worked
fine for some time, but then started to give nasty feelings. Hanging in the
sun, or a few days on a Purple Plate *cleaned and charged* it again.
That is also the case with ozolite en benzolite, two commonly used cristals.
The BioProtect card does not contain any crystals.

Be aware, that many shielding materials, as well as brickwork, may show this
same effect.
I could measure that over a number of years in my appartment.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton



----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephanie Smith" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] BIOPROTECT CARD


Hello Charles

THank you for this. I'm glad you replied because I have still more questions
to ask - sorry!!

I wore the card yesterday, and seemed to do quite well . I didn't have the
"strong" reaction [or the "healing reaction"] which the website i bought it
from [www.golden-ray.com] said I might experience. I don't know what that
tells me - perhaps that my level of electrosensitivity is lower than I had
thought, if so that is some good news for me. I hadn't seen this post last
night so when I went to bed I placed the card beneat the bed, but felt
nothing, then I placed it beside my bed which seemed to be ok. I looked at
the website where I bought it just now and their advice was to place it
horizontally on a flat wooden sueface to get the 15m radius dome of
shielding. I am going to try this tonight [i'll wear it on my person during
the day], but that then wouldn't match up with your advice that it needs the
infrared emanating from the body.

I have 2 questions which you might be able to answer based on your
experience.

1. George Carlo has said that some devices designed to help people cope with
electrosmog can eventually cause more harm to an individual than good and
can end up making them worse. As you know the principles on how this
bioprotect card works, do you think it falls into this category Dr Carlo is
talking about.

2. Have you any experience of people using the large Bioprotect 400 card
which is supposed to offer 400m radius of protection?

I am sure I can come up with a lot more questions given time!! [LOL] but
would be very grateful for any advice you would have on these questions.

Many thanks

Steph

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Hello Stephanie,

I do not think that placing the card under your bed is a good idea.

Normally it should be worn close to the body (because it needs the infrared
emanating from your body).
Most women wear it in their bra, or even in their shoes.
Horizontally it has a bit more effect than vertically.

When I am going to places where a lot of elektrosmog is supposed to be, I
wear this card in a plactic bank pass (credit card) holder, on which I have
placed a cord, to hang it around my neck, and the card hangs on my solar
plexis.

Most engineers find this hocuspocus, because they do not understand the
biological implications of longitudinal waves, which are in the Terahertz
Region.

Most professionals admit THAT some symptons may occur by electromagnetic
fields, but becaus they do not understand HOW those symptoms can occur, they
find electrosensibility unreal.

On lectures, I feel the thumbs of some people and ask them what they feel.
They reply: nothing!
When I feel my own thumb, I also do not feel anything.
Then I hit my thumb with a hammer (as a matter of speaking), and when I come
near my thumb, I feel already pain.
Most ES studies are done on healthy thumbs, and no effects were found.
Only when studies are done on hammered thumbs, one can learn someting.
However, most scientists claim, that they do not understand why the hammered
thumb has this blue color. They do not know why it hasn't got the color
yellow or orange, or another color. Because they do not understand, I should
not feel pain at all.
That is the point with those scientists regarding electrosensibles.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephanie Smith" <reader41@ymail. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] BIOPROTECT CARD

Hello Charles

Thank you very much for this [very quick!] and informative post. I have
checked out the link to your site and looked at the leaflet in English and
think it is worth a try. Forgive my cynicism /scepticism, its just as a
desperate Esser I feel a bit vulnerable to the "snake oil" salesmen out
there. I will place it beneath my bed tonight which will be a good test and
see what happens. Thanks also for the detoxing advice. i am trying to detox
and feel that my liver pathways may not be working the best so a liver
cleanse may help me.

Many thanks for your response.

Best wishes

Steph

--- On Thu, 16/4/09, charles@milieuziekt es.be <charles@milieuziekt es.be>
wrote:

From: charles@milieuziekt es.be <charles@milieuziekt es.be>
Subject: Re: [eSens] BIOPROTECT CARD
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 1:11 PM

Hello Stephanie,

yes, I do know the Bioprotect card very well.

I advise it to all my electrosensible customers, and tell them where to buy
it, because I myself do not sell anything.

For my wife, we have tried a lot of *things*, but from all of them, the
BioProtect came out as best and most affordable. ( f.i. the BioElectrical
Shield, the Nabat, the Springlife Polariser, the Wikroma amulet, etc.)
When Ido house investigations, I have a small container with me, with those
things, and let my customers try them.
When they feel them with their hands, and hang them on, most people prefer
the BioProtect card.
Some do feel an improvement instantly.

On: http://www.milieuzi ektes.nl/ Pagina164b. html just above the image of
the
card, there is an english article which describes the card.

I know what this card contains, and what is its principle of working, so I
can assure you, that it is no scam.

However, it is my opinion, that this card only works within some degree of
electrosensibility.
If you are sunken too deep, it does not work suuficiently.
And persons, who are not electrosensible, may experience adverse effects
like headaches.

But first of all, start *cleaning* your body with a detox system (f.i. ionic
foot spa), liver cleansing à la Hulda Clark, etc.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Norton

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From: "Stephanie Smith" <reader41@ymail. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:47 PM
Subject: [eSens] BIOPROTECT CARD

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> I wore the card yesterday, and seemed to do quite well . I didn't have
> the "strong" reaction [or the "healing reaction"] which the website i
> bought it from [www.golden-ray.com] said I might experience. I don't know
> what that tells me - perhaps that my level of electrosensitivity is lower
> than I had thought

It's certainly possible that a different EMF protection device will cause
a strong reaction with you. Having tried many devices over the years,
my initial reactions have ranged from nothing at all to very strong
within just a few minutes.

> 1. George Carlo has said that some devices designed to help people cope
> with electrosmog can eventually cause more harm to an individual than
> good and can end up making them worse.

I read a paper from George Carlo that said this, and to be honest
I thought that many of the assertions he made in that paper were just
plain wrong. It made me wonder how much experience he's really had
with ES (very little, it appeared)

Marc

Give it a little time to see results.  I bought one for my wife and when it arrived at the office, I put it in my pocket to take home to her.  By the time I reached home, I noticed my arthritis pain had subsided.  We promptly order two more.  I carriy one and my wife has one around her neck and one stuck to her cellphone.  It is not a cure, but another helpful device which helps.
 
Mike  (I am not affiliated with any co. that sells these, just my own experience)

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Hi Everyone!

I finally got around to ordering my bioprotect card and it arrived this morning. Since opening the package I have been trying not to be too cynical, but the more I look at the thing I am wondering if I have been scammed or conned? It seems to be a piece of thin blue coloured cardboard with the word bioprotect printed on it in gold lettering and the whole thing has been encased in a thin plastic laminate. I can't see where the supposed "information" it is supposed to carry could be stored, encrypted or printed. So I'm thinking I should just send it back fairly quickly since you get 2 weeks to return it - which isn't a long time.

Before I do, I was wondering, is there anyone in the group (who doesn't have links to the organisation which produces and sells these cards), who might have tried these cards or could vouch for them having some sort of effect? Charles, do you know anything about this product? Would you expect it to be as I have described it here and does it do anything?

Many thanks

Steph

















     

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Hey steph, how you going? . Let me know if you have a good effect with this. I am currently working away on a contract and the accomodation they haveput me in is like an electromagnetic snake pit -Horrendous!. My question is how long did it take for the product to arrive? IM thinking of getting something to try and help em out here. Also did you end up staying on the cottage cheese diet? Did you end up trying anything else that helped?

regards

Ada


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