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abailey63

Anyone have experience with flectron shielding fabric

I have ES. Also sensitive to RF. I have concerns about Wifi and Dect
phones. Anyone actually use flectron shielding fabric or something
like that? Does it do any good? No affiliation with manufacturer.

Thanks, Alan

BiBrun

Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding fabric

I have used some shielding materials. Flectron has nickel, which should
help at lower frequencies. For RF, especially microwave, you can do quite
well with aluminum foil
or metal fly screen.

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:04 PM, abailey63 <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have ES. Also sensitive to RF. I have concerns about Wifi and Dect
> phones. Anyone actually use flectron shielding fabric or something
> like that? Does it do any good? No affiliation with manufacturer.
>
> Thanks, Alan
>
>
>

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abailey63

Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding fabric

Interesting. I guess I'm more concerned about higher frequencies then.
Wifi, Dect phones. I also found I have an inactive TV dish just above
my head. Any good sources for larger sheets of aluminum foil? Enough
to cover a wall? Also not sure what a metal fly screen is. I'll have
to google that. Thanks for your input.

Thanks, Alan

--- In [hidden email], "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:
>
> I have used some shielding materials. Flectron has nickel, which should
> help at lower frequencies. For RF, especially microwave, you can do
quite

> well with aluminum foil
> or metal fly screen.
>
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:04 PM, abailey63 <abailey63@...> wrote:
>
> > I have ES. Also sensitive to RF. I have concerns about Wifi and Dect
> > phones. Anyone actually use flectron shielding fabric or something
> > like that? Does it do any good? No affiliation with manufacturer.
> >
> > Thanks, Alan
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

BiBrun

Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding fabric

If the dish has no power to it I wouldn't consider it a likely problem.

Restaurant supply places carry double width extra heavy duty foil.

Be sure to overlap the pieces by 3 or 4 inches, and get good contact
between them.

Fly screen is what you put on windows to keep the bugs out.

Bill

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:51 AM, abailey63 <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Interesting. I guess I'm more concerned about higher frequencies then.
> Wifi, Dect phones. I also found I have an inactive TV dish just above
> my head. Any good sources for larger sheets of aluminum foil? Enough
> to cover a wall? Also not sure what a metal fly screen is. I'll have
> to google that. Thanks for your input.
>
> Thanks, Alan
>
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill Bruno"
> <wbruno@...> wrote:
> >
> > I have used some shielding materials. Flectron has nickel, which should
> > help at lower frequencies. For RF, especially microwave, you can do
> quite
> > well with aluminum foil
> > or metal fly screen.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:04 PM, abailey63 <abailey63@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I have ES. Also sensitive to RF. I have concerns about Wifi and Dect
> > > phones. Anyone actually use flectron shielding fabric or something
> > > like that? Does it do any good? No affiliation with manufacturer.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Alan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>

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abailey63

Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding fabric

Thanks for the info. The dish is active (not sure whether powered) in
fact I'm in the process of cancelling that service and getting cable
internet. And I am directly under the dish. That room has the highest
radio signals in the house. I'm only using a zapchecker so my
measurements are relative. I can't check frequency. Odd's are it is
using WiMax.

Logic dictates that the dish, which focuses signals, is the most
logical source. Could be neighbors but I'll have to wait for the dish
to be gone to test. The cable (coax?) to the satellite dish is
connected to a linksys router with an adapter. So if it is powered it
would be via power over ethernet. I'm not familiar with how dishes are
powered or whether they are just passive.

Again thanks for your response. Any info is very helpful.

Thanks, Alan

--- In [hidden email], "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:

>
> If the dish has no power to it I wouldn't consider it a likely problem.
>
> Restaurant supply places carry double width extra heavy duty foil.
>
> Be sure to overlap the pieces by 3 or 4 inches, and get good contact
> between them.
>
> Fly screen is what you put on windows to keep the bugs out.
>
> Bill
>
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:51 AM, abailey63 <abailey63@...> wrote:
>
> > Interesting. I guess I'm more concerned about higher frequencies

then.

> > Wifi, Dect phones. I also found I have an inactive TV dish just above
> > my head. Any good sources for larger sheets of aluminum foil? Enough
> > to cover a wall? Also not sure what a metal fly screen is. I'll have
> > to google that. Thanks for your input.
> >
> > Thanks, Alan
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill Bruno"
> > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have used some shielding materials. Flectron has nickel, which

should
> > > help at lower frequencies. For RF, especially microwave, you can do
> > quite
> > > well with aluminum foil
> > > or metal fly screen.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:04 PM, abailey63 <abailey63@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have ES. Also sensitive to RF. I have concerns about Wifi
and Dect

> > > > phones. Anyone actually use flectron shielding fabric or something
> > > > like that? Does it do any good? No affiliation with manufacturer.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Alan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

skolyer

Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding fabric

My yard is pretty much a satellite farm. I got four big dishes for C-band plus several other dishes that are smaller. I live in a mobile home which has aluminum siding. I have windows and next to one of the windows was located one of my big dishes. It took years before I figure out all the stuff that was going on in my home but one of my problems was that the dish was reflecting signals through the window and into the house where it could bounce around the metal walls inside my home and turn my home into a microwave oven. I covered the window with metal. Plus the inside of the home is also shielded making it double shielded the way faraday cages are. That took care of that problem. Even if the dish isn't powered if it is reflecting signals in your direction you will have a problem.

----- Original Message -----
From: abailey63
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 3:44 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding fabric

Thanks for the info. The dish is active (not sure whether powered) in
fact I'm in the process of cancelling that service and getting cable
internet. And I am directly under the dish. That room has the highest
radio signals in the house. I'm only using a zapchecker so my
measurements are relative. I can't check frequency. Odd's are it is
using WiMax.

Logic dictates that the dish, which focuses signals, is the most
logical source. Could be neighbors but I'll have to wait for the dish
to be gone to test. The cable (coax?) to the satellite dish is
connected to a linksys router with an adapter. So if it is powered it
would be via power over ethernet. I'm not familiar with how dishes are
powered or whether they are just passive.

Again thanks for your response. Any info is very helpful.

Thanks, Alan

--- In [hidden email], "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:

then.

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abailey63

Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding fabric/satellite dishes

In reply to this post by BiBrun

I was curious what you thought of this statement.

"Satellite dishes, by the very nature of their parabolic magnification
design and their antenna function, capture and focus almost any
electromagnetic emission within line of sight and then dump this
broadband spectrum field directly underneath. If the satellite
embraces an electric distribution line, for example, this
powerfrequency will be focused directly below, sometimes with a
10-fold magnification. It is not a good idea to occupy such a location
for extended periods of time."

If this were true would these be because radio signals directed at the
feed horn don't get "captured"? I have to assume they have to go
somewhere. I happen to sleep directly below it. I thought it was
inactive when I moved in. But it is actually providing internet
connectivity.

I'm very new to this and I just don't know enough to figure out how
accurate this is.

Thanks, Alan
--- In [hidden email], "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:

then.

Jean-2

Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding fabric

In reply to this post by BiBrun

--- In [hidden email], "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:
>
> If the dish has no power to it I wouldn't consider it a likely
problem.
>
> Restaurant supply places carry double width extra heavy duty foil.
>
> Be sure to overlap the pieces by 3 or 4 inches, and get good contact
> between them.
>
> Fly screen is what you put on windows to keep the bugs out.
>
> Bill

Just a simple question I have : I read it is necessary to ground the
aluminium foil. Then how to do it exactly. Cause again I'm very
ghetto. Using simple electric wire taped to the foil, well, it's a
bit unstable cause the adhesive tape can loosen, and then the
connection is undone. So any simple advice about that ?

John.

Jean-2

Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding fabric/satellite dishes

In reply to this post by abailey63

I also have a satellite dish just above me. I live on the top floor,
and I realized I have one on the roof of my building, just above my
appartment. (and there's a phone mast next building).

--- In [hidden email], "abailey63" <abailey63@...> wrote:
>
> I was curious what you thought of this statement.
>
> "Satellite dishes, by the very nature of their parabolic
magnification
> design and their antenna function, capture and focus almost any
> electromagnetic emission within line of sight and then dump this
> broadband spectrum field directly underneath. If the satellite
> embraces an electric distribution line, for example, this
> powerfrequency will be focused directly below, sometimes with a
> 10-fold magnification. It is not a good idea to occupy such a
location
> for extended periods of time."
>
> If this were true would these be because radio signals directed at
the

> feed horn don't get "captured"? I have to assume they have to go
> somewhere. I happen to sleep directly below it. I thought it was
> inactive when I moved in. But it is actually providing internet
> connectivity.
>
> I'm very new to this and I just don't know enough to figure out how
> accurate this is.
>
> Thanks, Alan
> --- In [hidden email], "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@> wrote:
> >
> > If the dish has no power to it I wouldn't consider it a likely

problem.
> >
> > Restaurant supply places carry double width extra heavy duty foil.
> >
> > Be sure to overlap the pieces by 3 or 4 inches, and get good
contact
> > between them.
> >
> > Fly screen is what you put on windows to keep the bugs out.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:51 AM, abailey63 <abailey63@> wrote:
> >
> > > Interesting. I guess I'm more concerned about higher
frequencies
> then.
> > > Wifi, Dect phones. I also found I have an inactive TV dish just
above
> > > my head. Any good sources for larger sheets of aluminum foil?
Enough
> > > to cover a wall? Also not sure what a metal fly screen is. I'll
have
> > > to google that. Thanks for your input.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Alan
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill
Bruno"
> > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have used some shielding materials. Flectron has nickel,
which
> should
> > > > help at lower frequencies. For RF, especially microwave, you
can do
> > > quite
> > > > well with aluminum foil
> > > > or metal fly screen.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:04 PM, abailey63 <abailey63@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I have ES. Also sensitive to RF. I have concerns about Wifi
> and Dect
> > > > > phones. Anyone actually use flectron shielding fabric or
something
> > > > > like that? Does it do any good? No affiliation with
manufacturer.

> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks, Alan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

maureenan-2

Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding fabric/satellite dishes

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BiBrun

Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding fabric/satellite dishes

In reply to this post by Jean-2

A small dish, when unplugged, is unlikely to have measurable
effects except for microwaves above and in front of the dish.
The larger older dishes could affect somewhat lower frequencies.
They could also play a role in blocking solar/cosmic microwaves.

There's not much of a focusing effect except at wavelengths
shorter than the size of the dish, and the focal point is in
front, not under.

I really don't expect effects with the dish unplugged, but given
how wrong scientists have been I won't say it's impossible.

Bill

On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 4:18 AM, jean <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I also have a satellite dish just above me. I live on the top floor,
> and I realized I have one on the roof of my building, just above my
> appartment. (and there's a phone mast next building).
>
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "abailey63"
> <abailey63@...> wrote:
> >
> > I was curious what you thought of this statement.
> >
> > "Satellite dishes, by the very nature of their parabolic
> magnification
> > design and their antenna function, capture and focus almost any
> > electromagnetic emission within line of sight and then dump this
> > broadband spectrum field directly underneath. If the satellite
> > embraces an electric distribution line, for example, this
> > powerfrequency will be focused directly below, sometimes with a
> > 10-fold magnification. It is not a good idea to occupy such a
> location
> > for extended periods of time."
> >
> > If this were true would these be because radio signals directed at
> the
> > feed horn don't get "captured"? I have to assume they have to go
> > somewhere. I happen to sleep directly below it. I thought it was
> > inactive when I moved in. But it is actually providing internet
> > connectivity.
> >
> > I'm very new to this and I just don't know enough to figure out how
> > accurate this is.
> >
> > Thanks, Alan
> > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill Bruno"
> <wbruno@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If the dish has no power to it I wouldn't consider it a likely
> problem.
> > >
> > > Restaurant supply places carry double width extra heavy duty foil.
> > >
> > > Be sure to overlap the pieces by 3 or 4 inches, and get good
> contact
> > > between them.
> > >
> > > Fly screen is what you put on windows to keep the bugs out.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:51 AM, abailey63 <abailey63@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Interesting. I guess I'm more concerned about higher
> frequencies
> > then.
> > > > Wifi, Dect phones. I also found I have an inactive TV dish just
> above
> > > > my head. Any good sources for larger sheets of aluminum foil?
> Enough
> > > > to cover a wall? Also not sure what a metal fly screen is. I'll
> have
> > > > to google that. Thanks for your input.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Alan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill
> Bruno"
> > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have used some shielding materials. Flectron has nickel,
> which
> > should
> > > > > help at lower frequencies. For RF, especially microwave, you
> can do
> > > > quite
> > > > > well with aluminum foil
> > > > > or metal fly screen.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:04 PM, abailey63 <abailey63@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have ES. Also sensitive to RF. I have concerns about Wifi
> > and Dect
> > > > > > phones. Anyone actually use flectron shielding fabric or
> something
> > > > > > like that? Does it do any good? No affiliation with
> manufacturer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks, Alan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
>
>

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charles-4

Re: satellite dishes

Hello,

I have found, that right at the back of a satellite dish, a concentrated
beam of logitudinal waves is coming out.

Even from an unplugged dish.

Shielding does not help, because those longitudinal waves pass right through
it.

So be carefull, not to stay right behind one.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bruno" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding
fabric/satellite dishes

>A small dish, when unplugged, is unlikely to have measurable
> effects except for microwaves above and in front of the dish.
> The larger older dishes could affect somewhat lower frequencies.
> They could also play a role in blocking solar/cosmic microwaves.
>
> There's not much of a focusing effect except at wavelengths
> shorter than the size of the dish, and the focal point is in
> front, not under.
>
>
> I really don't expect effects with the dish unplugged, but given
> how wrong scientists have been I won't say it's impossible.

Jean-2

Re: satellite dishes

I'm sure the one I have just above is working, cause this is
certainly somebody getting extra channels, or maybe the common dish
for the building.

I'm below, not behind, it's oriented a bit towards the sky, so yeah,
in a sense I might be on the back. Difficult to check exactly.

Really, don't know what to do, I understand about the longitudinal
waves stuff (although no idea they are measured).

The result of course is that the place I'm leaving in is difficult.

John.

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have found, that right at the back of a satellite dish, a
concentrated
> beam of logitudinal waves is coming out.
>
> Even from an unplugged dish.
>
> Shielding does not help, because those longitudinal waves pass
right through

shielding

> fabric/satellite dishes
>
>
> >A small dish, when unplugged, is unlikely to have measurable
> > effects except for microwaves above and in front of the dish.
> > The larger older dishes could affect somewhat lower frequencies.
> > They could also play a role in blocking solar/cosmic microwaves.
> >
> > There's not much of a focusing effect except at wavelengths
> > shorter than the size of the dish, and the focal point is in
> > front, not under.
> >
> >
> > I really don't expect effects with the dish unplugged, but given
> > how wrong scientists have been I won't say it's impossible.
>

Jean-2

Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding fabric/satellite dishes

In reply to this post by maureenan-2

I have calcutated I have been 'harassed' by RF for more than 15
years. Seems I'm doomed, everywhere I move there some heavy
pollution.

Damn.

John.

--- In [hidden email], "maureenan" <maureen.norman@...> wrote:

>
> I'm chipping in here as I began to suffer after they
> came and put up a satellite dish next door, although
> no-one was living there at the time, and in fact still
> don't. It's made to look like they do but in truth they do
> not. Now, my reasoning is that it couldn't have
> been in use for a TV, as no-one was there so why
> was it put up. At the time they had a strange looking
> metal box in full view inside the front window and a
> odd looking electrical box with knobs on it in the back
> room. I actually posted photos of both to my groups.
>
> I'm not saying everyone is the same as this is a set
> up here and has been for far more years that I care
> to remember.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jean
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:18 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Anyone have experience with flectron

shielding fabric/satellite dishes
>
>
> I also have a satellite dish just above me. I live on the top
floor,
> and I realized I have one on the roof of my building, just above
my
> appartment. (and there's a phone mast next building).
>

abailey63

Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding fabric/satellite dishes

In reply to this post by BiBrun

Could you just clarify for me what you mean by "unplugged"?. Just
trying to understand. Do you mean unpowered, which I'm guessing is
most consumer dish antenna's, Or . . .unconnected, to some sort of
signal receiving equipment at the end of the cable in a house.

I'm assuming most consumer service, small (18in or so), antenna's are
"passive", and just receiving and focusing transmissions to the feed
horn, with no actual power for example providing signal gain control.

I would think that in the case of a passive dish it will focus signals
no matter what even if there is no radio receiving equipment attached
on the receiving end in the house. There are lots of disconnected
Dish, direct tv antenna's out there that people have just left on houses.

Thanks, Alan

--- In [hidden email], "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:

>
> A small dish, when unplugged, is unlikely to have measurable
> effects except for microwaves above and in front of the dish.
> The larger older dishes could affect somewhat lower frequencies.
> They could also play a role in blocking solar/cosmic microwaves.
>
> There's not much of a focusing effect except at wavelengths
> shorter than the size of the dish, and the focal point is in
> front, not under.
>
>
> I really don't expect effects with the dish unplugged, but given
> how wrong scientists have been I won't say it's impossible.
>
> Bill
>
> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 4:18 AM, jean <tdx244@...> wrote:
>
> > I also have a satellite dish just above me. I live on the top floor,
> > and I realized I have one on the roof of my building, just above my
> > appartment. (and there's a phone mast next building).
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "abailey63"
> > <abailey63@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was curious what you thought of this statement.
> > >
> > > "Satellite dishes, by the very nature of their parabolic
> > magnification
> > > design and their antenna function, capture and focus almost any
> > > electromagnetic emission within line of sight and then dump this
> > > broadband spectrum field directly underneath. If the satellite
> > > embraces an electric distribution line, for example, this
> > > powerfrequency will be focused directly below, sometimes with a
> > > 10-fold magnification. It is not a good idea to occupy such a
> > location
> > > for extended periods of time."
> > >
> > > If this were true would these be because radio signals directed at
> > the
> > > feed horn don't get "captured"? I have to assume they have to go
> > > somewhere. I happen to sleep directly below it. I thought it was
> > > inactive when I moved in. But it is actually providing internet
> > > connectivity.
> > >
> > > I'm very new to this and I just don't know enough to figure out how
> > > accurate this is.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Alan
> > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill Bruno"
> > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If the dish has no power to it I wouldn't consider it a likely
> > problem.
> > > >
> > > > Restaurant supply places carry double width extra heavy duty foil.
> > > >
> > > > Be sure to overlap the pieces by 3 or 4 inches, and get good
> > contact
> > > > between them.
> > > >
> > > > Fly screen is what you put on windows to keep the bugs out.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:51 AM, abailey63 <abailey63@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Interesting. I guess I'm more concerned about higher
> > frequencies
> > > then.
> > > > > Wifi, Dect phones. I also found I have an inactive TV dish just
> > above
> > > > > my head. Any good sources for larger sheets of aluminum foil?
> > Enough
> > > > > to cover a wall? Also not sure what a metal fly screen is. I'll
> > have
> > > > > to google that. Thanks for your input.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks, Alan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill
> > Bruno"
> > > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have used some shielding materials. Flectron has nickel,
> > which
> > > should
> > > > > > help at lower frequencies. For RF, especially microwave, you
> > can do
> > > > > quite
> > > > > > well with aluminum foil
> > > > > > or metal fly screen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:04 PM, abailey63 <abailey63@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have ES. Also sensitive to RF. I have concerns about Wifi
> > > and Dect
> > > > > > > phones. Anyone actually use flectron shielding fabric or
> > something
> > > > > > > like that? Does it do any good? No affiliation with
> > manufacturer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks, Alan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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abailey63

Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding fabric

In reply to this post by Jean-2

Interesting, not sure how "grounding" rf frequencies would work in an
electrical system (lower frequencies). I know that lessemf.com has
pre-made grounding cords. I have no affiliation with this site and you
could probably make a grounding cord with an alligator clip yourself.

Where did you read about grounding for rf? I'd be interested in
following up on that.

Thanks, Alan

--- In [hidden email], "jean" <tdx244@...> wrote:

>
> --- In [hidden email], "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@> wrote:
> >
> > If the dish has no power to it I wouldn't consider it a likely
> problem.
> >
> > Restaurant supply places carry double width extra heavy duty foil.
> >
> > Be sure to overlap the pieces by 3 or 4 inches, and get good contact
> > between them.
> >
> > Fly screen is what you put on windows to keep the bugs out.
> >
> > Bill
>
> Just a simple question I have : I read it is necessary to ground the
> aluminium foil. Then how to do it exactly. Cause again I'm very
> ghetto. Using simple electric wire taped to the foil, well, it's a
> bit unstable cause the adhesive tape can loosen, and then the
> connection is undone. So any simple advice about that ?
>
> John.
>

abailey63

Re: satellite dishes

In reply to this post by charles-4

Charles,
Can you measure these longitudinal waves with an rf meter? Are
longitudinal waves different than typical rf wave propigation? I'm
looking up longitudinal waves now don't know much about this stuff.
Learning quick.... arghh!!

Thanks, Alan

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have found, that right at the back of a satellite dish, a
concentrated
> beam of logitudinal waves is coming out.
>
> Even from an unplugged dish.
>
> Shielding does not help, because those longitudinal waves pass right
through

> it.
>
> So be carefull, not to stay right behind one.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Bitdefender
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding
> fabric/satellite dishes
>
>
> >A small dish, when unplugged, is unlikely to have measurable
> > effects except for microwaves above and in front of the dish.
> > The larger older dishes could affect somewhat lower frequencies.
> > They could also play a role in blocking solar/cosmic microwaves.
> >
> > There's not much of a focusing effect except at wavelengths
> > shorter than the size of the dish, and the focal point is in
> > front, not under.
> >
> >
> > I really don't expect effects with the dish unplugged, but given
> > how wrong scientists have been I won't say it's impossible.
>

charles-4

Re: satellite dishes

No, you can not measure them.

Only electrosensibles can feel them.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender

----- Original Message -----
From: "abailey63" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:17 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: satellite dishes

> Charles,
> Can you measure these longitudinal waves with an rf meter? Are
> longitudinal waves different than typical rf wave propigation? I'm
> looking up longitudinal waves now don't know much about this stuff.
> Learning quick.... arghh!!
>
> Thanks, Alan
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have found, that right at the back of a satellite dish, a
> concentrated
>> beam of logitudinal waves is coming out.
>>
>> Even from an unplugged dish.
>>
>> Shielding does not help, because those longitudinal waves pass right
> through
>> it.
>>
>> So be carefull, not to stay right behind one.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> member Verband Baubiologie
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>> www.milieuziektes.be
>> www.hetbitje.nl
>> checked by Bitdefender
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding
>> fabric/satellite dishes
>>
>>
>> >A small dish, when unplugged, is unlikely to have measurable
>> > effects except for microwaves above and in front of the dish.
>> > The larger older dishes could affect somewhat lower frequencies.
>> > They could also play a role in blocking solar/cosmic microwaves.
>> >
>> > There's not much of a focusing effect except at wavelengths
>> > shorter than the size of the dish, and the focal point is in
>> > front, not under.
>> >
>> >
>> > I really don't expect effects with the dish unplugged, but given
>> > how wrong scientists have been I won't say it's impossible.
>>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>

skolyer

Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding fabric/satellite dishes

In reply to this post by BiBrun

I can't argue science with you as I don't have the background. Just anecdotal experience. I had some strange experiences with that dish. I was actually hearing voices in my head at times and I realized it was when I was standing in front of that dish which was very close to the porch. I experienced the same thing at times while on the porch. I know this isn't the place to speculate about government black projects or aliens so I'll leave it at that.

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bruno
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding fabric/satellite dishes

A small dish, when unplugged, is unlikely to have measurable
effects except for microwaves above and in front of the dish.
The larger older dishes could affect somewhat lower frequencies.
They could also play a role in blocking solar/cosmic microwaves.

There's not much of a focusing effect except at wavelengths
shorter than the size of the dish, and the focal point is in
front, not under.

I really don't expect effects with the dish unplugged, but given
how wrong scientists have been I won't say it's impossible.

Bill

On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 4:18 AM, jean <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Jean-2

Re: Anyone have experience with flectron shielding fabric

In reply to this post by abailey63

I read it somewhere, better to ground the aluminium shield. I don't
know where I read it maybe here. Cause otherwise it just shields one
side, if there are waves coming from the other side, it will reflect
it.

The alligator clip, I have some doubt, the survival aluminium blanket
for example is very thin, so with an alligator clip don't know if
it's reliable.

John

--- In [hidden email], "abailey63" <abailey63@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting, not sure how "grounding" rf frequencies would work in
an
> electrical system (lower frequencies). I know that lessemf.com has
> pre-made grounding cords. I have no affiliation with this site and
you
> could probably make a grounding cord with an alligator clip
yourself.

>
> Where did you read about grounding for rf? I'd be interested in
> following up on that.
>
> Thanks, Alan
>
> --- In [hidden email], "jean" <tdx244@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If the dish has no power to it I wouldn't consider it a likely
> > problem.
> > >
> > > Restaurant supply places carry double width extra heavy duty

foil.
> > >
> > > Be sure to overlap the pieces by 3 or 4 inches, and get good
contact
> > > between them.
> > >
> > > Fly screen is what you put on windows to keep the bugs out.
> > >
> > > Bill
> >
> > Just a simple question I have : I read it is necessary to ground
the
> > aluminium foil. Then how to do it exactly. Cause again I'm very
> > ghetto. Using simple electric wire taped to the foil, well, it's
a
> > bit unstable cause the adhesive tape can loosen, and then the
> > connection is undone. So any simple advice about that ?
> >
> > John.
> >
>