Anybody here been diagnosed with ES by a medical doctor?

> When I talked to the patient consultant at EHCD, she told me I should invest in a sauna for my home.
> (I believe she said to buy the far-infrared sauna.)

Seems like someone with ES could have a problem with a far-infrared
sauna, which I assume runs on electricity? Perhaps one should try
one somewhere (a local spa or health clinic) first before thinking
of buying one!

And of course, there are traditional saunas and steam rooms, which
also can be beneficial, and found at local swimming pools, health
clubs, etc.

Marc

I have once measured an infrared sauna, and found no discrepancies.

So it should be safe for ES.

Of course, one should do a test-sauna beforehand, which is quite possible in
most cases.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 22:34
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Anybody here been diagnosed with ES by a medical
doctor?

Hi Marc

I have a Sunlight sauna (Signature 1). It is infrared. I've been using
it daily for six weeks for an hour. I plan to soon buy an emf detector
from Safe Living Technologies so I can measure the em. I'll let you
know what I find...

Amanda

Hello Amanda,

I am afraid, that you cannot measure the damaging frequencies with those emf
detector.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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From: "amandaleehank" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 16:30
Subject: [eSens] Re: Anybody here been diagnosed with ES by a medical
doctor?

Hi, Marc,

I wondered that also (whether far-infrared electric sauna would be ok for one with ES). I know that Karen Taylor who used to come here (tayloka) could use one and thought it helped. She and I had alot of the same type symptoms at the time, but I have since become more sensitive in the usual ES way (as opposed to just me affecting electronics, as I was before). I mentioned this possibility also to the patient consultant and she told me I could try saunas there at EHCD and see when I visited. She thought most with ES could use them without problems, tho. (I was supposed to go down for testing after I moved, which I have not completed yet.) At any rate, yes, I should have mentioned electric saunas could be bad for ES, but I was addressing whether epsom salts baths might help Daniel, so I had not thought to. I personally would not buy one till I knew for sure either. I think someone on this forum mentioned far-infrared saunas not working for them just recently.

Diane

Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> When I talked to the patient consultant at EHCD, she told me I should invest in a sauna for my home.
> (I believe she said to buy the far-infrared sauna.)

Seems like someone with ES could have a problem with a far-infrared
sauna, which I assume runs on electricity? Perhaps one should try
one somewhere (a local spa or health clinic) first before thinking
of buying one!

And of course, there are traditional saunas and steam rooms, which
also can be beneficial, and found at local swimming pools, health
clubs, etc.

Marc





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Hi

 

I’d appreciate your opinions on the validity of EMF testing and how to doit
properly!!

 

Have been looking at scanners but there are so many and I have no idea which
ones are of any use to be able to test and then resolve any issues.

 

Your comments and advice greatly appreciated.

 

Many thanks

 

Peter

 


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Hello Peter,

that is a simple question.
But an answer may be very complicated.

One meter for everything does not exist.
All meters do have their limitations in capabilities, frequencie ranges and
sort of fields.

You do have to determine what you want to measure, and FOR WHAT PURPOSE.
(I have to measure a lot, but therefore have to carry some 6 suitcases.)

In order to have an impression, you may have a look at:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina112a.html
where I have placed a few meters.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 19:37
Subject: [eSens] EMF Testing - Methods and Equipment advice


Hi



I’d appreciate your opinions on the validity of EMF testing and how to do it
properly!!



Have been looking at scanners but there are so many and I have no idea which
ones are of any use to be able to test and then resolve any issues.



Your comments and advice greatly appreciated.



Many thanks



Peter




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Hi Everyone:

On the mention of Safe Living Technologies, thought I'd add my two
cents......I've had extensive experience with Safe Living Technologies
including having my whole house reviewed and special "breaker" switches
installed on the circuits in my bedroom and bathroom so the circuits are off
automatically. These switches are amazing and now I don't have to keep
running downstairs to the panel to switch off the circuits. If any of you
are considering having your house reviewed, Safe Living Technologies is a
great company. Plus, I purchased two meters from them which I find very
useful. One of them is portable and I take it with me to all new
environments, mainly so I can avoid any "hotspots".

If anyone wants to know more about my experience with SLT, please email me.


Donna

Thanks Charles,

Very informative....

So what do I want to do.

I want to be able to find out what EMF is in my surrounding area ie what is
"hitting" me and then to be able to find out what it is and then be able to
test if the countermeasures I am using are worthwhile. Eg screens, shielded
cables etc.

It appears that spectran offer a range from 1Hz to 8Gh if you buy a couple
of models. I am slightly confused when the gigahertz solutions are more
appropriate as price wise they appear very similar to the spectran's but
offer a lot less. The spectran offer of upgrades is very interesting.

Can one do an overall EMF level with the spectran, such as how much EMF is
hitting me now from all directions?

You also mentioned that spectran were coming out with V4. Is this a
software/firmware change or is the actual equipment changed? What I V4
offering above V3.

Many thanks

Peter
 
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charles
Sent: 01 April 2008 22:00
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF Testing - Methods and Equipment advice

Hello Peter,

that is a simple question.
But an answer may be very complicated.

One meter for everything does not exist.
All meters do have their limitations in capabilities, frequencie ranges and
sort of fields.

You do have to determine what you want to measure, and FOR WHAT PURPOSE.
(I have to measure a lot, but therefore have to carry some 6 suitcases.)

In order to have an impression, you may have a look at:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina112a.html
where I have placed a few meters.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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Subject: [eSens] EMF Testing - Methods and Equipment advice


Hi



I’d appreciate your opinions on the validity of EMF testing and how to doit
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Have been looking at scanners but there are so many and I have no idea which
ones are of any use to be able to test and then resolve any issues.



Your comments and advice greatly appreciated.



Many thanks



Peter




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Hi Charles again.

Forgot to add that I'm also interested in the problems associated with
"dirty electricity" around the house. I was intending to use a clamp meter
connected to my scope to view that. But this will show me the power quality
problems, but not the EMF it is inducing.

BTW I'm in Greece.

Peter




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Sent: 01 April 2008 22:00
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Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF Testing - Methods and Equipment advice

Hello Peter,

that is a simple question.
But an answer may be very complicated.

One meter for everything does not exist.
All meters do have their limitations in capabilities, frequencie ranges and
sort of fields.

You do have to determine what you want to measure, and FOR WHAT PURPOSE.
(I have to measure a lot, but therefore have to carry some 6 suitcases.)

In order to have an impression, you may have a look at:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina112a.html
where I have placed a few meters.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 19:37
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I’d appreciate your opinions on the validity of EMF testing and how to doit
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Have been looking at scanners but there are so many and I have no idea which
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Your comments and advice greatly appreciated.



Many thanks



Peter




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An AM radio seems to be very effective at detecting noise
on a power line from switching power supplies, dimmer switches,
etc. An oscilloscope should work but it will take time to find
the right scan rate depending on the source.

If you're really interested in the science than Spectrans can do a
lot, but there can be ghost frequencies, etc. I'd suggest starting
with a simple & reliable broadband meter first, then get a spectran.

Bill

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If your going to look at your house power using an
oscilloscope it's a lot easier if you filter out
the 60 Hz first with a high-pass filter.

Eli

--- In [hidden email], "Misc. IP Group" <misc@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Charles again.
>
> Forgot to add that I'm also interested in the problems associated
with
> "dirty electricity" around the house. I was intending to use a
clamp meter
> connected to my scope to view that. But this will show me the power
quality
> problems, but not the EMF it is inducing.
>
> BTW I'm in Greece.
>
> Peter
>
>

It's baffling why ES folks would mess with infra-red
saunas when there are Finnish saunas. Heat them up, turn it off
and sweat.

Either way, I've been taking Niacin 15 minutes prior to entering
the sauna that I'm lucky enough to have at home. The Niacin seems to
have helped make me feel a little better (more energetic, making
some moves). Still electro sensitive as hell though and convinced
it's never going away.

Eli


--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Marc,
>    
> I wondered that also (whether far-infrared electric sauna would
be ok for one with ES). I know that Karen Taylor who used to come
here (tayloka) could use one and thought it helped. She and I had
alot of the same type symptoms at the time, but I have since become
more sensitive in the usual ES way (as opposed to just me affecting
electronics, as I was before). I mentioned this possibility also to
the patient consultant and she told me I could try saunas there at
EHCD and see when I visited. She thought most with ES could use them
without problems, tho. (I was supposed to go down for testing after
I moved, which I have not completed yet.) At any rate, yes, I should
have mentioned electric saunas could be bad for ES, but I was
addressing whether epsom salts baths might help Daniel, so I had not
thought to. I personally would not buy one till I knew for sure
either. I think someone on this forum mentioned far-infrared saunas
not working for them just recently.
>    
> Diane
>
> Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
> > When I talked to the patient consultant at EHCD, she
told me I should invest in a sauna for my home. Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t
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Either way, I've been taking Niacin 15 minutes prior to entering
the sauna that I'm lucky enough to have at home. The Niacin seems to
have helped make me feel a little better (more energetic, making
some moves). Still electro sensitive as hell though and convinced
it's never going away.

Eli

--- In _eSens@yahoogroups_ (mailto:[hidden email])


That's a bad feeling one that I also live with, I note that I definitely
feel worse ie more sensitive on days when we have full low cloud cover and
drizzle - come on lets have the ideas on this one please - Paul UK






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Hi Paul,

I find that to be true for me too--cells and microwaves seem more potent on those days. Maybe they up the frequencies on cloudy rainy days? Just a guess. Thought maybe there is more atmospheric interference?

Diane

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In a message dated 4/3/2008 2:01:00 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Either way, I've been taking Niacin 15 minutes prior to entering
the sauna that I'm lucky enough to have at home. The Niacin seems to
have helped make me feel a little better (more energetic, making
some moves). Still electro sensitive as hell though and convinced
it's never going away.

Eli

--- In _eSens@yahoogroups_ (mailto:[hidden email])

That's a bad feeling one that I also live with, I note that I definitely
feel worse ie more sensitive on days when we have full low cloud cover and
drizzle - come on lets have the ideas on this one please - Paul UK

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Hello Peter,

sorry for the delay. Was busy.

It all depends on what you want to know exactly.

There are three and a half sort of meters.

1. The types from Endotronic, like the Esmog Spion or the Profi Spion.
With them you can hear (the best) the modulations around you, and the LED's
give an impression about the strength of the signals.One can also determine
low frequency sources from f.i. televisions etc.
But you do not obtain radiation values.

2. The types from Gigahertz Solutions. The antennas are suited to the meters
involved
They give fine values when you point the logper antenna in a direction of a
HF source.
However, you measure verything together, all HF sources together.
You will have sound, but it is not as good as the meters under 1.
You point and read the total of radiation in uW/m2 (microWatt per square
meter), but you do not have details.

3. The spectrumanalyzers from Aaronia.
Don't be fooled by the specifications of the meters. The antennas do have
different specifications.
One has to consider the specifications of the HF Spectran togethjer with an
antenna.
So their normal logper antennas start at minimal 380 MHz or 680 MHz.
And upwards it goes up to 9 GHz.
It is advisable to use it together with a laptop.
Now you have a lot of details.
The price of all those details is, that you have to search a lot of
frequency bands, which are already preprogrammed, and for a number of
countries the providers are also inhibited in the software, so you can see
which provider is busy at the moment.
Depending on the antenna, you can have at least 20 frequency bands to search
for.
Like with the big spectrumanalysers, you have to adjust some dials in order
to get the most out of it.
For beginners, that may be a bit confusing.

3 1/2. Spectrumanalysers of f.i. R&S, Anritsu, etc, which are all very
expensive, and are complicated to use.

The Spectran HF V3 is available.
The Spectran HF V4 is not available yet, because the software needs still
updating, and consists of completely different hardware..
The V4 is much faster, and has specific new features, and does cost more for
that reason.

When I leave the house, I always carry my Esmog Spion with me! It tells me a
lot.
Please have a look at the sounds on my HP.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 17:49
Subject: RE: [eSens] EMF Testing - Methods and Equipment advice


Thanks Charles,

Very informative....

So what do I want to do.

I want to be able to find out what EMF is in my surrounding area ie what is
"hitting" me and then to be able to find out what it is and then be able to
test if the countermeasures I am using are worthwhile. Eg screens, shielded
cables etc.

It appears that spectran offer a range from 1Hz to 8Gh if you buy a couple
of models. I am slightly confused when the gigahertz solutions are more
appropriate as price wise they appear very similar to the spectran's but
offer a lot less. The spectran offer of upgrades is very interesting.

Can one do an overall EMF level with the spectran, such as how much EMF is
hitting me now from all directions?

You also mentioned that spectran were coming out with V4. Is this a
software/firmware change or is the actual equipment changed? What I V4
offering above V3.

Many thanks

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
charles
Sent: 01 April 2008 22:00
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF Testing - Methods and Equipment advice

Hello Peter,

that is a simple question.
But an answer may be very complicated.

One meter for everything does not exist.
All meters do have their limitations in capabilities, frequencie ranges and
sort of fields.

You do have to determine what you want to measure, and FOR WHAT PURPOSE.
(I have to measure a lot, but therefore have to carry some 6 suitcases.)

In order to have an impression, you may have a look at:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina112a.html
where I have placed a few meters.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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I’d appreciate your opinions on the validity of EMF testing and how to do it
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Have been looking at scanners but there are so many and I have no idea which
ones are of any use to be able to test and then resolve any issues.



Your comments and advice greatly appreciated.



Many thanks



Peter




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